Ken Hershman Leaves Showtime for HBO, MMA's Future on Premium Cable In Doubt
Ken Hershman has been at Showtime since 1992, serving as the general manager of sports and event programming for several years. He has now expected to jump to HBO where he will replace Ross Greenburg.
The most obvious sport this impacts is boxing as Hershman was one of the primary players in turning Showtime into a much more competitive network with HBO with a much smaller budget. Scott Christ of Bad Left Hook talks about the impact on the boxing world:
HBO has already shown improvement in the second half of 2011, so Hershman coming on board should keep that momentum rolling. It's worth wondering what he's like with a major budget, though. There is a legitimate worry that he might get lazy with everything being that much easier. Things like the Super Six didn't come easy, and took a lot of work on his part. But doing something similar at HBO would, in theory, be far easier. This could be both a good and bad thing.
Showtime has no successor in place for Hershman, and I wouldn't expect them to name anyone to a long-term position until 2012. As a boxing fan, without being corny, I'd like to tip my hat to what Hershman did at Showtime, and I feel good for him that his hard work has rewarded him with this opportunity. It's not about HBO being better at Showtime, but facts are facts, and HBO is the bigger fish. Hershman was absolutely, 100%, without question the man most qualified for the job at HBO Sports, and it's good to see that guy get it.
Hershman was a big part of getting MMA onto Showtime (and CBS) and some MMA fans may even remember the pre-Zuffa owned Strikeforce days when Dana White would accuse Hershman and Showtime of being the ones actually running the promotion.
Hershman responded to those claims to Sports Illustrated last June:
We want to make sure that people understand our place in this sport. We're putting a lot of money and commitment into this sport. We're in it for the long run. We're not going anywhere, despite what anyone may suggest. All the kicking and screaming makes us hold true to that more firmly... I would say there isn't a network that I'm aware of that doesn't ensure the quality of what they put on the network meets whatever criteria they've established. There isn't one fight that gets on the air that I'm not satisfied meets the expectations that out subscribers hold us to. It would be irresponsible for me not to do otherwise. But to suggest that I'm running Strikeforce or controlling the matchups is ludicrous.
The question becomes if Showtime will retain that commitment to the sport with Hershman's departure.
Showtime execs are no doubt aware that Zuffa has been stripping Strikeforce for parts to beef up the UFC and that relationship seems likely to die the second the current TV deal is up. M-1 Global is likely to continue to be ratings death and even smaller ShoBox level boxing events will do better ratings for little more than the same price.
Hershman's move to HBO isn't likely to bring MMA to that network either. Boxing remains a big part of HBO's identity and despite uninformed opinions that the network will eventually give up on the sport, they actually are investing even more in the sport. In 2012 the network is launching a midweek boxing show that will feature competitive fights on a smaller budget to try to aid the process of building up stars.
Being realistic, there just aren't enough legitimate fighters outside of Zuffa control for either network to make any sort of long-term investment into MMA at this point. Bellator would be the only even somewhat reasonable option but their structure would have to change entirely as it simply doesn't work with the limited dates provided by the HBO and Showtime schedule.
If we didn't already know that we were seeing the beginning of the end of MMA on premium cable, we should know for sure now.
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i wanna see Hershmans' affect on an already solid
Boxing line-up. I wanna see this man push MMA as well to HBO, whether its the smaller stage like XFO, and CFC. Or even take off where Fuel TV left off, playing Shark Fights and maybe broadcasting ONE/FC or URCC would be excellent as well. Giving us fans in the states a closer look at the Warriors across the way.
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by pridedaze09 on Oct 13, 2011 4:06 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
In my opinion, the only possible mma that HBO might be interseted in is if Pro Elite really started taking off. This isnt HDNET your not gonna see HBO sign a bunch of small companies just to get mma on their network.
ProElite isn't going to grow much if they keep recycling yesteryear's fighters.
Although I have to admit there aren’t a lot of options for them when it comes to notable, headline quality talent.
There’s no way they pick up shows that are going to get them 30,000 viewers. They can throw together a small boxing card and get way better ratings and be investing in their future cards.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Oct 13, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
What I'd really like for them to do is bankroll and control their own promotion
Strikeforce was doing well and really seemed to be gaining some steam before ownership cashed out early.
No reason a Network owned promotion couldn’t work.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
Who do you put in it? That’s kind of what prevents it.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Oct 13, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
There isn’t any talent to put into those promotions anymore. More on that tomorrow.
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by Leland Roling on Oct 13, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not true
People like to act like you have to be a UFC vet to be a legitimate fighter. It’s just a bogus fallacy.
Once Strikeforce closes shop. Zuffa is going to have 250ish people under fight contracts. There just isn’t enough slots in the UFC to employ everyone.
There is still a very real niche to be filled. And a well run, high production valued product on premium cable has shown it can be a viable alternative.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
You’re wrong. Fan interest wanes at the lowest levels. For you, that may be true. But even Bellator, which has fantastic prospects, isn’t garnering the interest they should.
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by Leland Roling on Oct 13, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
it's on MTV 2 in ugly standard definition
the ugly grey color scheme in the cage makes it even uglier
it really looks uglier because of the shitty colors and lighting. i’m not sure how much better it would look in HD, but they really need to work on that commentary team.
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by Victor Rodriguez on Oct 13, 2011 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
MTV2 is one part of the problem. Only one quarter of it.
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by Leland Roling on Oct 13, 2011 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Really
If you can’t get people interested in Lima and Curran, how are you going to get them interested in the tier below that?
by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Oct 13, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Huh?
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by Leland Roling on Oct 13, 2011 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
You said:
But even Bellator, which has fantastic prospects, isn’t garnering the interest they should.
I was concurring. They have this great talent and everyone ignores them, so how is a startup, third-tier org going to get any?
by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Oct 13, 2011 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly, that’s a question I’ve been trying to answer myself. Bellator doesn’t get much help from their partner, so it’s tough to figure it out.
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by Leland Roling on Oct 13, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
It's also a catch-22
A fighter like Alvarez has an off-night (Curran), their stock can actually drop even in victory. It’s a lose/lose situation for the best of organizations like Bellator: you’re expected to beat all potential challengers since you’re perceived as being on a different level. Win in spectacular fashion and people just shrug their shoulders and move on. Anything less and you’re “exposed” as a “fraud”. No upside to victory, horrendous fall in defeat (or even less-than-spectacular victory).
I don't feel I'm wrong at all
Before the Zuffa buyout Strikeforce had carved out a really nice niche. The ratings had steadily grown the more people got to know that fighters and became aware of the programming.
No reason what so ever that it cannot be done again.
It just needs to be done by a promoter with a good amount of start up capital. Who is dedicated to making it work.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
A well run, high-production calue product has shown it can be a viable alternative
if it has the support of MMA’s “hardcore” fanbase. The problem is even the people that that segment are aware of are now either signed with Zuffa, or have been wrecked under the Zuffa banner. It’s not that all fighters outside the UFC are garbage, it’s that there are less and less tests out there for true talent that can gain them any notoriety. That’s how we end up with Hector Lombard vs Trevor Prangley; None of Lombard’s wins raise his stock anymore, and it’s absolutely due to the available competition. He won’t gain any new opportunities as a Bellator champion, so he’s just kind of stuck in career limbo. If I were a competitive, driven professional athlete, it would be extremely unfortunate to not have any true challenges to work towards, but still have to put in the work and focus on meaningless filler fights.
does anyone mind this?
i personally dont think premium cable is a good outlet for sports of any kind. HBO hasnt exactly been the best thing for boxing
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by milk72 on Oct 13, 2011 4:09 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I don’t. I don’t get either channel and usually go to my sister’s place to watch both UFC PPVs and Strikeforce fights. I usually stream the Challengers bouts somewhere and don’t really pay any attention to M-1.
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by mountaineers101 on Oct 13, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
really?
I’ve grown fond of M-1. I think they put on better shows than the challengers
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by pridedaze09 on Oct 13, 2011 4:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not that I don’t think they put on a bad product, but the fights haven’t gotten me interested enough to get Showtime or stream it.
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by mountaineers101 on Oct 13, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
i stream it.
I think it was after Overeem came to the UFC I cancelled my subscription and picked up Cinemax for the badass movies. And maybe porn. Idk I haven’t watched more than one and it was the worst this since the Macho Man Randy Savages rap album.
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by pridedaze09 on Oct 13, 2011 4:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I just canceled mine
After the Barnett/Kharn + Cormier/Bigfoot card last month.
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lol at Cinemax porn being a reason to pay a subscription fee.
Ever heard of the internet, buddy? Don’t know if anyone’s told you, but there’s a bit of porn offered there, too.
porn is just a plus
Internet porn is killing the Skindustry.
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by pridedaze09 on Oct 13, 2011 9:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think HBO does a good job of giving PPV worth bouts. Do you think premium cable is a bad outlet because the lack of people whom have it?
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by pridedaze09 on Oct 13, 2011 4:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Umm…Sergio Mora vs Shane Mosely wasn’t good. I don’t think Chad Dawson vs Benard Hopkins is gonna be any good either.
Me > Ben Henderson
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but they are big names
Pacquiao vs Marquez and Floyd vs. Ortiz? The undercard of Floyd vs Ortiz did more than deliver IMO
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by pridedaze09 on Oct 13, 2011 4:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Dawson/Hopkins is only on PPV because Greenburg fucked up the budget earlier. It was PPV or no TV at all. HBO does NOT want this event on PPV but they kind of have to.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Oct 13, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
buzzkill
I really thought the Bhop fight was on HBO. Well I know what PPV I’m watching at the bar.
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by pridedaze09 on Oct 13, 2011 4:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
lack of people who have it
and lack of commercials and ads to promote the products. outside of putting on ppv bouts (which i fucking hate) both channels just seem like less than ideal outlets to put on free fights
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I think HBO is better than Showtime in this situation. I don’t like the fact that HDNet isn’t always available on premium cable.(at least the Premium Cable I have)
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by pridedaze09 on Oct 13, 2011 4:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree milk72. Premium cable has a definite, concrete ceiling of potential growth.
And if you get too big for the channel, chances are you’re locked into a rigid, long-term contract.
HBO does good boxing coverage and they put on some decent bouts on the channel. That, and their movie selection is fantastic. Showtime is good for jack shit but the MMA and boxing bouts.
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by mountaineers101 on Oct 13, 2011 4:18 PM EDT reply actions
Brent the Scott Christ link sends me to the MMAConvert story not BadLeftHook
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by Brent Brookhouse on Oct 13, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Whether SHO picks up their option with Strikeforce or ProElite winds up on either network, I want there to be a promotion around like Strikeforce. One that has some up and coming stars, some established stars that either have or have not been in the UFC, and WMMA. I thoroughly enjoyed many of the cards Strikeforce put on since 2009 and I hope, if SHO and Strikeforce end their relationship in March, I hope someone steps in and fills that void.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Oct 13, 2011 4:35 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Wishful thinking. ProElite is so late to the game that Travis Fulton is on the main card. Even more disconcerting, the higher weight classes, NOT JUST HW, are scarce in talent.
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by Leland Roling on Oct 13, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
There needs to be a lower cost alternative for the sport to grow.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
I don’t think the UFC is going to take all the talent in Strikeforce. They will take the big names and the better prospects but there is a whole world of fighters out there. I think you might see a heavy amount of kickboxing and ADCC stars join up with an organization like ProElite which could provide some exciting MMA matches. I liked Strikeforce because it was more striker-centric as to the UFC, which is more wrestler heavy. I watch them both and appreciate them each for what they are. And the women. I enjoy WMMA and I think it’s on the verge of some enjoyable matchups that I want to see happen. I don’t think it is wishful thinking. There is enough talent out there to have the two exist and maybe partner with a OneFC occasionally for unique matchups.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Oct 13, 2011 4:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
They will take the names that are relevant and can draw eyeballs. This isn’t 10 years ago. There was enough legit talent around to prop up regional cards. Today, they’d be lucky to get a sniff of any casual interest. That whole trend has died.
WMMA is dead weight. For you, okay. But for the majority of the fanbase, there isn’t much interest besides Carano and whatever other hot chick is fighting these days. It’s sad that it comes down to sex appeal for the women, but it does.
The only way enough talent exists is if a major international promotion attempts to bring a few of them under the same umbrella.
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by Leland Roling on Oct 13, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
that
Or if Cyborg starts fight guys her own size.
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by pridedaze09 on Oct 13, 2011 5:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think someone like Rousey can be as big, if not a bigger star than Carano. They build it right and a match up between her and Cyborg can draw as many eyes as the Carano fight did. That was quite high for SHO, over 800k if I remember correctly. And there are more women coming, from Kyra Gracie to Holly Hill. There is a real future there for an org that can commit to the division.
It’s true that the regional MMA scene has died but grappling competitions are growing, kickboxing has few options and I think we will an influx of talent from there as well. If someone is poised right, with either SHO or HBO giving them a deal, they can begin to assemble an intriguing roster that will deliver something unique, like Strikeforce did in its growth.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Oct 13, 2011 5:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Intriguing and unique sure
But the struggle to be relevant, which is almost the most important thing, will arguably be the hardest to overcome.
You have Zuffa, who between the UFC and Strikeforce has the vast majority of the top 25 talent of each division. Then, for all of the top 25ers that aren’t with a Zuffa promotion, you have Bellator, Dream, and I suppose OneFC and ProElite all fighting for them.
So you have one head hancho(If SF folds) with most of the talent, and as many as 4, and potentially more, smaller organizations fighting over the leftovers. I don’t doubt the ability to be ‘fun’ and ‘interesting’ but they could never be as relevant as Strikeforce was with it’s upper levels of talent…and I think when you are trying to reach that upper level of popularity, you need a certain level of relevance.
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by Chris Groves on Oct 13, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
You’d be surprised. A few days ago SHO had the Shields v Lawler card replaying. This was before Fedor came along and it was a real fun card. With the right free agent signings, along with the ladies, and entertaining cards they can take off, just like Strikeforce did. I want to see Reagan Penn, I want to see Tyrone Sponge’s MMA debut, I want to see Rodolfo Vieira when he is ready to make his way over to MMA. And there will be plenty of other guys fans want to see as well out there. The UFC doesn’t have room for all of them.Especially if MMA has a new growth spurt with the UFC getting on Fox.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Oct 13, 2011 5:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm not debating the fun
MMA in general is fun no matter what 9/10.
But I think without a perception that at least SOME of the fighters in your promotion are near the top of the weight class…it’s hard for all MMA to matter, any MMA can be fun…but relevance was the term I was looking for.
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by Chris Groves on Oct 13, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s one or two fighters. Once you make them fight, then what? That’s why women’s MMA is pointless. Only a couple of fighters worth a damn, and Carano might as well just go to Hollywood at this point.
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by Leland Roling on Oct 13, 2011 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
There are more than just one or two. You have Cyborg, Carano, Rousey, Nunes, Dandois, Kedzie, Budd, a bunch of Japanese female fighters in including Cyborg’s next opponent, Yamanaka. And that’s just 145 which is the weaker division compared to 135 and 125. There is a path to success for WMMA in the right hands.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Oct 13, 2011 10:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Nice to see this got the front page treatment
I thought it was warrented.
Just another sign, in my opinion, that Showtime likely isn’t going to be in the MMA business at all beyond this point.
There is always a chance that ProElite or some other org gets onto one of these bigger platforms…and they’ll be a decent alternative…but the more time goes by, the less room there is for someone to even be considered a competitor with the UFC.
Every time the ‘next big promotion’ goes under, the UFC grabs more and more talent in the top 25 of each division. Pride had a lot that went to the UFC with the purchase.
IFL and EliteXC folded within the same 6 months or so. The EliteXC leftovers mostly went to Strikeforce. Affliction folded in Augustof 09, and their leftovers sort of went divided between Zuffa and Strikeforce. 2011 saw Strikeforce purchased by Zuffa and Sengoku cease operations within the same day.
There is less and less fragmentation and fewer and fewer ‘guys to build up a reasonable #2 promotion with’ these days.
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I mean, just imagine what the landscape will be like next year if Strikeforce gets folded
The #1 MMA promotion will be the UFC. They will be on Network TV 4 times a year and run the majority of their non-PPV material on an extremely popular channel of FX.
Then the default #2 promotion(If Strikeforce goes away) will be Bellator, which will be stuck on MTV2 for no less then the duration of 2012 and who has never had a show average even 400K viewers.
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by Chris Groves on Oct 13, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m sure Showtime will continue to put MMA programming on. They’re a subscription based channel, so any kind of audience they can get to subscribe that normally wouldn’t is a plus. They supposedly (I have no actual facts) pay very little for MMA programming, so if that’s the case it’s a cheap and effective way to grow their channel.
I don’t think Brent has given much consideration to the fact that Showtime has considered their MMA business a success so far and want to retain the subscribers that picked up the channel because of it. Boxing still takes priority obviously, but the ratings can be surprising. For example, the Ward vs. AA super six bout was beaten in the ratings by Fedor vs. Silva. It might be hard to imagine right now how they’re going to regroup with Zuffa parcelling out all the best SF assets, but it’s premature to rule out Showtime continuing their MMA business.

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