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Pat Miletich, Michael David Smith Spar Over Strikeforce Commentary

Yesterday AOL FanHouse writer Michael David Smith posted an article criticizing Showtime commentator and former UFC welterweight champion Pat Miletich for being a "shill" for Strikeforce. Smith was clear, though: he respects Miletich and says when he's not shilling, is an excellent commentator. I generally agree with Smith, but I'd like to see this kind of criticism spread to the UFC and other promotions when it's obviously merited. Strikeforce takes the brunt of the criticism, largely unfair.

I've left out a few of the Tweets to preserve real estate on this site, but here's how the conversation generally unfolded:

I've never understood why having an opinion and debating topics in MMA is such a taboo exercise. I get that MMA is a "small town", but in order to further the sport and promote understanding, folks must be able to air their differences. I applaud both Smith and Miletich for pushing back on each other's ideas. I just hope the free exercise of dialogue can take place without vitriol, suspicion or utter disdain for our interlocutors.

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yeah it's refreshing to see people in MMA

calling each other out by name for specific points and still having a relatively civil discussion.

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by Nate Wilcox on Jan 9, 2011 4:25 PM EST reply actions  

Goldberg doesn't act like he exists in any kind of MMA-related universe

I hate to be "That Guy", but Edgar/Maynard II wasn’t close to the best fight I’ve ever seen…

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by Anthony Pace on Jan 9, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Exists Goldberg in the Yoda universe, dose he.

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by Goonisis on Jan 9, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Goldberg is Jar-Jar filtered through a Yoda translator

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"When Kawajiri is on his game, finding a way to beat him is about as hard as finding a pubic hair at a Justin Beiber concert." – The Voice

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by Anthony Pace on Jan 9, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Goldberg is the guy that just endlessly repeats what the next UFC event is right?

by fitefan on Jan 9, 2011 6:43 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Goldberg is the weathergirl.

Rogan is the anchor.

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by Ozzz on Jan 10, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

The Woodley and Saffeidine comments were out of line, but my comment doesn’t ignore the issue. The issue is much more broad than just that broadcast.

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by Leland Roling on Jan 9, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

The article wasn’t some broad look at MMA commentators though. It was a reaction to the exceptionally poor job done the night before. I’m sure if it was a disection of every MMA broadcaster Rogan and Goldbergs shortfalls would have been mentioned. However this article was just a take on how Militech limits himself with nonsensical shilling. Calling OSP the best football player to ever do MMA is flat out moronic considering there are multiple ex NFL players who do MMA. Calling Woodley the best all around athlete in MMA and saying Kharitonov did great in K1 is just flat out foolish and it insults the intelligence of the fans.

by pcusick13 on Jan 9, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s my problem though. The article is pointing out Miletich when that type of nit picking could be reserved for every event on the planet. Is he now going to do the same to Rogan and Goldberg? No.

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by Leland Roling on Jan 9, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

So in your opinion you should only critize someone if you are than going to critize everyone who deserves it in their desired profession? Is it not acceptable anymore to point out when someone does a terrible job? Do we need to make sure we point out that other people don’t always do a great job too?

by pcusick13 on Jan 9, 2011 4:42 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I don’t think it was disrespectful at all but whether it was or wasn’t is a moot point. It is not the role of a journalist to try to be repectful to every and make sure their feelings are hurt. It’s the role of a journalist to point out a job not well done. Shilling in my eyes is making things up to completely create false hype around people. I don’t mind hyping the fighters or exagerating a little, it happens. Making stuff up like Kharitonov did well in K1 or OSP is the best football player to ever do MMA is misleading to people and ridiculous.

by pcusick13 on Jan 9, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Disagreed, but we’ll end it here. Good debate.

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by Leland Roling on Jan 9, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Same to you sir. It’s always encouraging to me when people can have a civil MMA debate. Most often if oyu have a disenting opinion people curse you out and leave it at that haha.

by pcusick13 on Jan 9, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL

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by Leland Roling on Jan 9, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not discounting the premise of the article. I just don’t see how Miletich suddenly gets this horrific analysis when the same could be said for others.

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by Leland Roling on Jan 9, 2011 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree but you got to admit

not too many people bring Glenn freaking Beck to an MMA discussion. I was interested in this whole thing but Pat completely ruined it with his BS talk about some hacks like Keith O and Glenn Beck.

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by SheepleBuster on Jan 9, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, I agree there.

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by Leland Roling on Jan 9, 2011 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

He was just trying to say that hit pieces get eyeballs.

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by Neil Manich on Jan 9, 2011 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, I understood it, but my eyes usually glaze over at the first sign of “Glenn Beck”.

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by Leland Roling on Jan 9, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Still. No excuse for that talk

I mean does anyone really take Glenn Beck or Keith O seriously? Why would you even talk about these people? By the way, unlike Glenn Beck, Pat does use the F word on live TV. Even if it’s cable :)

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by SheepleBuster on Jan 9, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

shall we not give them this space?

'if you don't have humility as a fighter, fighting will bring humility to you...'

by rohedron on Jan 9, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

You are free to do as you wish

I personally believe if you ignore these political hacks, they’ll just go away. Then again, I have been ignoring them for years :)

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by SheepleBuster on Jan 9, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

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by Scott C. Broussard on Jan 9, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Just because an anology uses 2 dipshits as examples doesn’t mean it’s a poor analogy. It was usefull because everyone knows who they are and it made a concise point.
This whole rebuke of Militich reeks of sactimony. He doesn’t like how Pat described Ferguson returning some GnP to Richard? Sometimes using non technical and more emotional descriptions are way to bring in the viewer. Pat never said OSP was the best at anything so what exactly are you complaining about there? Appearently Pat thinks Woodly is the best or among the best athletes in MMA. That opinion might be somewhat unique but is he not entitled to it? Sure he got confused about kharitonov and exaggerated a tad about JZ and Thompson but he Militich is a bit of sage is allowed to have some non conformist views of the 25. Hindsight allows us to look back and see that while the UFC usually has the # 1 guy, the spots farther down the list are harder to determine.
Anything you say about Militich schilling you can say about Goldie 10 times over.

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by Hardy's in your face on Jan 9, 2011 10:57 PM EST up reply actions  

same here

I like to listen to Militech talk MMA but if he’s going there fuck him and his dumbass political views

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by nostraboris on Jan 9, 2011 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, considering that herschel fucking walker fights under their brand

that’s a pretty ridiculous statement

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by Austin Martin on Jan 9, 2011 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

It was a reaction to the exceptionally poor job done the night before.

This is going to far, i think you lose balance here.
just an opinion.

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by rohedron on Jan 9, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Perhaps but I think when you look at what Militech said and then look at what common sense and facts tell you I think its easy to say it was poor job. Misleading peopel about how Kharitonov did in K1 or saying OSP is the best football player to ever do MMA is just flat out untrue, there is no opinion there.

by pcusick13 on Jan 9, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

i only just caught up with watching the event an hour ago

it just seems like there are two issues here, one that Miletich is bragging up, another that he made a mistake/s (Kharitonov) – i agree that overstating or overselling is a bad habit – it muddies the water and I’d like to see the whole issue given a little airing (which i think is what Leland was saying) don’t just single out Miletich over disingenous PR without representing the issue on a wider level. I can’t remember now if Smith even touched on any other instances of this happening (in the post itself) in order to bring a wider context to the issue. It was good that he showed Miletich respect, but there were probably instances of both Ranallo and Quad doing similar stuff, but they didn’t balls it up when asked who the dark horse was for the QP, which probably sealed the deal as far as SMith was concerned.

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by rohedron on Jan 9, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

QP GP

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by rohedron on Jan 9, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Except other than the novelty that is herschel walker, OSP probably is the best college football player to do MMA for real. He just went straight to MMA instead of trying the NFL like Schaub and Mitrione.

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by eastcoastatlas on Jan 10, 2011 1:26 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

If memory serves.

 Joe Rogan has talked up former Pride fighters and other fighters. He talked up Sokoju, Wandy, Nog, lil Nog, Heath Herring, Fedor, Overeem, Aoki, Nick Diaz and Shogun Rua. Just to name a few. Joe is a shill, but don’t confuse his antics with the nuthuggery Pat Miletich displayed. Announcers embellish the event they announce. Pat isn’t immune to cricism.

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by whardiek on Jan 9, 2011 8:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Rogan puts shit on stuff when it's merited.

UFC or otherwise. And he’s not afraid to mention other promotions when talking about fighters’ pasts, something that would make Goldberg short circuit like a femmebot if he tried.

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by Ozzz on Jan 10, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Houston Alexander is for real!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by KOQ24 on Jan 9, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 9, 2011 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

"but I'd like to see this kind of criticism spread to the UFC and other promotions when it's obviously merited."

Disagree. All WARGODZ shilling is acceptable.

One thing I like about Rogan’s commentary is he isn’t constricted to some “UFC or nothing” crap and mentions fighters outside the UFC and won’t see everything in UFC-colored glasses.

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by SSreporters on Jan 9, 2011 4:25 PM EST reply actions  

I think it tends to be Rogan mentioning when UFC fighters have defeated people from other orgs, but occasionally he’ll drop an Aoki reference or something like that.

I hate to be "That Guy", but Edgar/Maynard II wasn’t close to the best fight I’ve ever seen…

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by Anthony Pace on Jan 9, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

I think people overrate it.

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by Neil Manich on Jan 9, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

he doesn't mind mentioning

‘elite kickboxers’

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by rohedron on Jan 9, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

He does, but he also says some crazy shit as well. Miletich shouldn’t be singled out.

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by Leland Roling on Jan 9, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

And why not?

This is one particular guy taking on one specific, and current, issue. That he doesn’t take the whole industry to task is meaningless in my view.

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by Goonisis on Jan 9, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed. This is like covering a fraud trial..

..and having the guy on the stand say, “Why are you looking at me? There’s a whole lot of other frauds out there you could be looking at.”

Yes. We could. But we’re looking at you right now, sir.

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by Ozzz on Jan 10, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Pot helps.

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by SSreporters on Jan 9, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Here is my issue. How many shows has Rogan done? And not a word about his bias. I mean really Kongo has a scary, scary ground game now? WTF?? When did he buy that?

But Pat is on what his 5th or so show for Showtime and suddenly it’s like Pat invented hype in MMA? Ever heard Schavello?

by fitefan on Jan 9, 2011 6:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Rogan has bias.

But mainly towards guys he likes, not just rampant UFC-humping (Goldberg does that).

Rogan will shit on a judge or commission, even though it might put the UFC in a bad spot. He’ll shit on a fighter for not doing what he’s paid to do. He’ll call a decision bullshit if it was. He’ll invoke other orgs (K-1, Pride, Dream), boxing, etc in positive ways.

To me, that’s far more important than the fact that he thinks Kongo is a good guy and could use a push.

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by Ozzz on Jan 10, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Here is my issue. How many shows has Rogan done? And not a word about his bias. I mean really Kongo has a scary, scary ground game now? WTF?? When did he buy that?

But Pat is on what his 5th or so show for Showtime and suddenly it’s like Pat invented hype in MMA? Ever heard Schavello?

by fitefan on Jan 9, 2011 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Love the continued use of Storify Lucke

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by MaZZacare on Jan 9, 2011 4:28 PM EST reply actions  

The major MMA press seems to give Goldberg a pass, like people who don’t make fun of the retarded kid drooling in the corner. It’s sort of an “Oh, he can’t help himself…” situation. But I wish criticism of Goldberg could expand from the (often high quality) snark among online fans into legitimate critique of his inadequecies.

I hate to be "That Guy", but Edgar/Maynard II wasn’t close to the best fight I’ve ever seen…

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by Anthony Pace on Jan 9, 2011 4:30 PM EST reply actions  

Really? People wanted him killed for his commentary back when he was doing in-ring interviews. It was everywhere.

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by Leland Roling on Jan 9, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I never saw him do in-ring interviews

When was this discontinued? I think I got into the sport after that.

I hate to be "That Guy", but Edgar/Maynard II wasn’t close to the best fight I’ve ever seen…

"When Kawajiri is on his game, finding a way to beat him is about as hard as finding a pubic hair at a Justin Beiber concert." – The Voice

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by Anthony Pace on Jan 9, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Nevermind, you’re talking about Mike. I thought you meant wrestler meathead Goldberg.

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by Leland Roling on Jan 9, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok, I gotta admit that's humorous

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by Anthony Pace on Jan 9, 2011 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

i will say that quadros in ring interviews creep me out

he like grabs a hold of the interviewee’s bicep and latches on, its weird.

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by Austin Martin on Jan 9, 2011 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

In my continuing effort to defame Jay Adams

I must now mention how horrible he is.

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"When Kawajiri is on his game, finding a way to beat him is about as hard as finding a pubic hair at a Justin Beiber concert." – The Voice

"Unfortunately, it won’t shut anyone up, but if (the Falcons) get a Lombardi, I’m going to spend all of 2011 not giving a rat’s ass what anyone says." – Dave Choate

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by Anthony Pace on Jan 9, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm reminded of the fan "hate" for Mike Adamle when he was with WWE

I think that died down after people found out that he actually has CTE (from his football past) that’s left him epileptic… that is, a sadly biological explanation for his commentary mishaps.

by Chortles on Jan 9, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

This video, however, never gets old

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W97a7_9Css&feature=related

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by Anthony Pace on Jan 9, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I never knew that. At least it was from football and not a Breakthrough and Conquer demo gone horribly wrong. I don’t need another thing to hate Laser for.

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by Earl Montclair on Jan 9, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Goldy makes me like the modern day Mauro.

At least Mauro will call things like spider guard properly and then pass it to the color guys to explain what that means and what the options are. Goldberg can only provide the most obvious of comments, none of which are insightful or add to the broadcast. He is an active detriment to the quality of broadcasts.

The issue is that showtime has been developing and changing their commentary team. With Shamrock and Gus out now, I think its a functional and educated group. UFC wants to protect the brand they’ve built, and the Goldberg and Rogan team is part of that. There will not be a change to the UFC booth, so real critiques are silly. Hence the overwhelming amount of snarkiness.

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by pdl on Jan 9, 2011 4:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Are Frank and Gus gone permanently?

I know Gus has been doing the NFL games, and will probably shift over to college basketball soon…

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"When Kawajiri is on his game, finding a way to beat him is about as hard as finding a pubic hair at a Justin Beiber concert." – The Voice

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by Anthony Pace on Jan 9, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I might be celebrating on Gus' grave prematurely

but it seems like he’s gone. Miletich has stepped up into his role nicely and they’ve created a decent 3 man booth. This is the first major criticism of the current team, while Gus and Shamrock were constantly getting blasted by media and the MMA community after every event. After this long of an absence where he has not been missed but his time away has been met with resounding praise, why bring him back?

God I hope he doesn’t come back…

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by pdl on Jan 9, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

The only way he might come back is if SF gets back on CBS. But in general it’s never to soon to celebrate on Gus’s grave.

by fitefan on Jan 9, 2011 7:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Damn…..How did Pat Miletich get any shit for his commentary? Mauro was sitting right there…..talking!…..a lot!

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by Earl Montclair on Jan 9, 2011 4:43 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

no kidding

Quadros even chimed in every now and then, too

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by Cory Braiterman on Jan 9, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ll say this… at least Quadros sticks to what he knows.

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by Leland Roling on Jan 9, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

can't argue with that

Quadros is pretty neutral to me these days. Mauro bugs the hell out of me however.

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by Cory Braiterman on Jan 9, 2011 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Quadros is in a pretty good spot on the team then. He would be god awful if he had to carry as much of the load as Pat does.

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by Earl Montclair on Jan 9, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Pat should sit there next time and talk about how superior teh UFC and their fighters are. I’m sure that would go over incredible well.

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by Earl Montclair on Jan 9, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Pat speaks the Truth

Pat speaks the Truth, true MMA fans can’t stand MDS

by snakerattle79 on Jan 9, 2011 4:53 PM EST reply actions  

P.S.

I guess it takes balls to call out someone else for shilling when all your articles have a big BUY UFC PPV HERE button on the sidebar.

by smoogy2 on Jan 9, 2011 4:57 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

If you're gonna be a shill, at least be a paid shill.

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"When Kawajiri is on his game, finding a way to beat him is about as hard as finding a pubic hair at a Justin Beiber concert." – The Voice

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by Anthony Pace on Jan 9, 2011 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

aren't both of them?

or was that the point and I missed it

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by Cory Braiterman on Jan 9, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Alls I’m saying is that I don’t want nuts in my mouth unless there’s dolla bills in my hand.

Wait…

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"When Kawajiri is on his game, finding a way to beat him is about as hard as finding a pubic hair at a Justin Beiber concert." – The Voice

"Unfortunately, it won’t shut anyone up, but if (the Falcons) get a Lombardi, I’m going to spend all of 2011 not giving a rat’s ass what anyone says." – Dave Choate

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by Anthony Pace on Jan 9, 2011 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

SHILL!

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by Earl Montclair on Jan 9, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Good thing I brought my wallet.

by John Nash on Jan 9, 2011 5:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Wow.

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by Anthony Pace on Jan 9, 2011 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

He's posting mobile, he's on his way over.

Alternate joke: Just remind him… not the face.

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by pdl on Jan 9, 2011 5:39 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

nicely done sir

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by Earl Montclair on Jan 9, 2011 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

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by Anthony Pace on Jan 9, 2011 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

just watched that movie haha.

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by JOhn_Gee on Jan 10, 2011 7:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Way to steal my follow up comment.

by John Nash on Jan 9, 2011 5:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

After spending a few minutes on Google Images,

I am shocked that there isn’t a picture of Carlos Mencia with a caption saying “im in ur comedy club, stealin ur punchlinez.”

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by pdl on Jan 9, 2011 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

After spending a few minutes on Google Images,

I am shocked that there isn’t a picture of Carlos Mencia with a caption saying “im in ur comedy club, stealin ur punchlinez.”

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by pdl on Jan 9, 2011 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought it was ridiculous to call out Pat when Zuffa announcers do the same

MDS wouldn’t call Goldie a Zuffa shill which I think is why I was so mad about this article because it was unnecessary and disrespectful. Was Pat wrong on the Sergei call? Yep, but shit happens on live tv. It could be argued this is the best HW tournament of all time which I think was Pat’s point. It’s no different than Dana saying “THIS IS THE BEST SEASON OF TUF EVER!!!”

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by Matthew Roth on Jan 9, 2011 5:01 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

this was a veiled shot at strikeforce and MDS should be ashamed. I like this guy less and less every time I read him. great at elementally breaking things down but just retarded opinions.

by destructivist on Jan 9, 2011 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I like the MMA fighting crew

Ariel and Ben are usually top notch.

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by Matthew Roth on Jan 9, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Meh. I love me some Dan Herbertson.

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by Leland Roling on Jan 9, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't even consider him Fanhouse

Him and Ester Lin are the only people who cover JMMA live besides Kid Named Tony.

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by Matthew Roth on Jan 9, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, he is. He’s a columnist on that team.

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by Leland Roling on Jan 9, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Okay then let me amend my previous comment

I like Dan, Ariel, and Ben.

I don’t know how MDS can call Pat a shill when he himself is on the Zuffa payroll.

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by Matthew Roth on Jan 9, 2011 5:08 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

dan is great and provides that portal to japan that we all need.

by destructivist on Jan 9, 2011 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

and sergei was the dark horse pick. what the fuck is wrong with going with the dark horse?

by destructivist on Jan 9, 2011 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

What is wrong is telling the audience he did great in K1 when he actually got TKOed in the first round by a very mediocre fighter.

by pcusick13 on Jan 9, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Jesus christ.

He already admitted he meant Overeem.

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by Leland Roling on Jan 9, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

And you believe that? In what possible way could he have meant Overeem? He’s making his dark horse pick and then validates it by saying Kharitonov did great in K1. So do you think he meant to make Overeem his dark horse pick or what?

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I wouldn’t doubt it. Live TV can make people fumble. Watch Tito Ortiz during his Affliction days. Talk about a train wreck.

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by Leland Roling on Jan 9, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Tito fumbles during interviews now

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by Matthew Roth on Jan 9, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Well if he was picking the Strikeforce Heavyweight champion as the dark horse to win the tournament than he needs a better description of what a dark horse is.

by pcusick13 on Jan 9, 2011 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

jesus tap dancing christ.

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by Earl Montclair on Jan 9, 2011 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

your argument has devolved to this? stop drinking on sunday afternoons son.

by destructivist on Jan 9, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

What are you talking about? How does that make sense?

by pcusick13 on Jan 9, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

The heavier side of the bracket has the #3, 4, 8, and 10 heavyweights.

Alistair is the #8, making his the second lowest ranked on his side of the bracket. Bigfoot is only two spots below him, which isn’t a huge difference. With another two wins under his belt to get through the tournament, current #11 Josh Barnett will be on an 8 fight win streak and easily top ten.

Going by rankings and accomplishments in MMA, Alistair could easily be described as a dark horse. I’m still picking him to finish every fight by murderknee, but calling him a “dark horse” can easily be supported. If you really wanted to argue semantics, that is.

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by pdl on Jan 9, 2011 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

From wikipedia:

Dark horse is a term used to describe a little-known person or thing that emerges to prominence, especially in a competition of some sort.

So, no, you couldn’t really describe Overeem as a “dark horse” in this tournament.

by Mike Fagan on Jan 9, 2011 5:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you sir my point exactly.

by pcusick13 on Jan 9, 2011 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Overeem may be well known to hardcores and Japan

but the people getting a free trial of Showtime and checking out this crazy cagefighting thing have no clue who he is. He wasn’t on CBS like Fedor. He wasn’t pushed like Fedor was with that huge overspend marketing that Affliction did. He’s never been on a UFC PPV or Spike broadcast. He also has a loss to Werdum already and is 1-1 with Kharitonov. I wouldn’t choose the phrase dark horse personally, but I don’t think it’s egregious either.

Alistair also has the darkest skin of anybody on his side of the bracket and eats horses. So… throwing that absurdity out there.

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by pdl on Jan 9, 2011 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

wait

how do we know it isn’t a euphemism combining his skin color and predilection for equines? Or maybe they spent some quality time alone together and that’s just his pet nickname for him?

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by Cory Braiterman on Jan 9, 2011 8:20 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

lol

If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?

by whardiek on Jan 9, 2011 8:22 PM EST up reply actions  

They should name Fedor's side of the bracket "Legends" and Brett Roger's "Leaders"

That way, there can be more than one use for this t-shirt outside of making fun of the Big Ten:

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by Anthony Pace on Jan 9, 2011 5:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Ugh

I hate those new names.

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by Charles Awad on Jan 9, 2011 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

you dont know what the fuck you’re even arguing.

Sergei did do fine in K-1 for an MMA figher going 1-1. jaideep is not mediocre. why dont you spout off some more about things you know nothing about? In fact I think MDS needs an intern, you would be perfect for the position.

by destructivist on Jan 9, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Jaideep is not terrible but he is no superstar. And going 1-1 is considered great? Not by my standars especially considering Jaideep KOed Kharitonov in the first round

by pcusick13 on Jan 9, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

what are your standards for an MMA fighter with just a boxing background fighting top flight kickboxers?

by destructivist on Jan 9, 2011 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

My suggestion would be don’t do K1 but if you do and get KOed don’t expect me to act like it is a job well done. You think it is fair to tell the audience that Kharitonov did great in K1?

by pcusick13 on Jan 9, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

You’re really coming off as just an angry guy, I’d suggest taking a deep breath and not letting this ruin your day, week, or life. People have different opinions. It will be ok man.

by pcusick13 on Jan 9, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I asked what your standards were for an MMA fighter with a boxing background fighting top level kickboxers. this was your response:

My suggestion would be don’t do K1 but if you do and get KOed don’t expect me to act like it is a job well done. You think it is fair to tell the audience that Kharitonov did great in K1?

Ask yourself if im supposed to reply to a non-answer.

by destructivist on Jan 9, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

What are you talking about? I don’t have written out standars for how someone like that will do. I do however know that getting KOed does not fit the bill of doing great. It just doesn’t and I don’t think anyone would pretend it does.

by pcusick13 on Jan 9, 2011 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Jaideep is not terrible but he is no superstar. And going 1-1 is considered great? Not by my standars especially considering Jaideep KOed Kharitonov in the first round

an MMA fighter going 1-1 is not great by your standards, so what are they? or have you suddenly redacted them in face of argument?

by destructivist on Jan 9, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Getting KOed by Jaideep is not great, are you crazy enough to think it is? How about great is Mousasi an MMA fighter beating down Kyotaro? That was very impressive to me.

by pcusick13 on Jan 9, 2011 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Gegard was a highly-touted K-1 prospect in his early days. He only moved to MMA because the money he was offered was higher than what he would have made in kickboxing at the time.

In my mind, Mousasi should have won, and he did.

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by Leland Roling on Jan 9, 2011 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

dont strawman attack me, I know more about kickboxing than you dont realize about your own logical fallacies.

sergei did do great for an MMA fighter in K-1. mousasi is not comparable because he has past kickboxing and boxing experience, so you can leave him out.

oh and for the record, pat was talking about reem, so you can get over that as well

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by destructivist on Jan 9, 2011 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

What does that sentence even say? Seriously man are you gonna be alright? This seems to be making you very upset. I’m sorry that not every falls lock in step with you and thinks that Kharitonov did great in K1 or that Militech is the greatest MMA anouncer in the world. Take a deep breath. I promise it will get better. Go have a drink and hang out with friends or do whatever it is you do to relax.

by pcusick13 on Jan 9, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

again, let go of the Ad hominems.

by destructivist on Jan 9, 2011 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

All im trying to tell you is that you’re taking this too personally. I never attacked you, actually quite the opposite I’ve been far more respectful to you than you have to me. You just need to calm down

by pcusick13 on Jan 9, 2011 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

never take anything personally on this site.

I’m just showing the holes in your argument. thats what im here for.

by destructivist on Jan 9, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

He didn’t really have much of a choice. He was locked into a contract and wanted out. He took the fights to fulfill that agreement.

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by Leland Roling on Jan 9, 2011 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Jaideep is going to maul a heavyweight MMA fighter with no K-1 experience and holes in his stand-up game. Ghita is a beast, not sure why everyone gives Kharitonov shit for that.

To be honest, I was impressed by how tough Kharitonov showed he was. He refused the fucking stretcher, and his leg looked like it had gangrene.

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by Leland Roling on Jan 9, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

He showed a lot of guts in that Ghita fight. I was amazed when he answered the bell.

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by Neil Manich on Jan 9, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

this is my point exactly. at the end of the day he is still an MMA fighter trying his hand in another sport, and he did pretty well for who he fought and how limited his training was.

by destructivist on Jan 9, 2011 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

If he was shilling instead of making a mistake, wouldn’t it be more logical and easier for himto hype up the fact that Kharitonov was coming off a win on NYE?

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NYE fight Kharitonov looked great

In better shape than his K1 fight against Jaideep. I like his chances against Arlovski.

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by Matthew Roth on Jan 9, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I think his sambo is probably the same as Andrei's too

But Kharitonov hits harder and has a better chin. It’s a no brainer pick for me.

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by Matthew Roth on Jan 9, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

He's slower on his feet and doesn't have as much snap on his punches either.

If Arlovski wasn’t a fuckin’ headcase and could remember to move laterally, keep his chin tucked, and stick to a gameplan, he would have a great shot at this fight. Unfortunately, those are a lot of flaws to overcome. Kharitonov by KO late in the first after getting outlanded early is my pick.

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by pdl on Jan 9, 2011 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

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by Neil Manich on Jan 9, 2011 5:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah i just dont see how this fight ends up on the ground so in what is going to be a boxing match, kharitonov should take andrei out.

by destructivist on Jan 9, 2011 6:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep...He's my pick for the finals

Like if you have a problem with the K1 comment fine, but let’s be honest, there are other issues you can pull.

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by Matthew Roth on Jan 9, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Overeem likes the dark horse.

by fitefan on Jan 9, 2011 7:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I generally agree with Smith, but I’d like to see this kind of criticism spread to the UFC and other promotions when it’s obviously merited. Strikeforce takes the brunt of the criticism, largely unfair.

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by destructivist on Jan 9, 2011 5:02 PM EST reply actions  

I agree that MMA pundits should be more even-handed as far offering up critiques of ANY promotion. Goldberg and Rogan are both guilty of the same kind of promotion pushing rhetoric that Strikeforce gets hammered for. That said, I think Strikeforce commentators do tend to sway the way of the shill a little more often. But that’s not the point. Bottom line, UFC commentators should be called out more readily then they are.

I have to say, when Pat Miletech said that the upcoming Strikeforce Heavyweight Grand Prix would be the greatest tournament in the history of the sport I gasped.

by KAN0 on Jan 9, 2011 5:05 PM EST reply actions  

luke get them both on the show

devote an hour in next weeks episode to it

its not like theres any pressing mma events or other coverage coming up other than the fight for the troops

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by milk72 on Jan 9, 2011 5:08 PM EST reply actions  

Good idea

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by Luke Thomas on Jan 9, 2011 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

i know its easier said then done but it'd be pretty damn awesome

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by milk72 on Jan 9, 2011 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

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by Anthony Pace on Jan 9, 2011 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Will you bring Don Frye as the guest referee Luke?

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by SheepleBuster on Jan 9, 2011 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Ariel Helwani should be the lead guy

at MMA Fighting. I am surprised it is MDS. He has a pound for pound list after every freaking fight

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by SheepleBuster on Jan 9, 2011 5:09 PM EST reply actions  

MDS has been around the block longer

helwani kills it everytime in his interviews and pieces though

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by milk72 on Jan 9, 2011 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

MDS covers a lot of stuff. Not MMA

I don’t think he should be the lead for an MMA site when he writes articles on tennis, college football, and …. I am not saying he shouldn’t write. But it’s like Kid Nate or Luke Thomas writing articles on Australian Open or Golf. I am curious. They don’t do that, right? :)

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by SheepleBuster on Jan 9, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

i agree with u

but one i dont think helwani wants it, with all the interviews and his radio show, him being the feature writer and lead might be much

i dont even read MDS’ pieces at mmafighting personally, i stick with fowlkes’ and helwani’s interviews

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by milk72 on Jan 9, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

He has a pound for pound list after every freaking fight

Well…that kinda makes sense.

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by spectaa on Jan 9, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

um. No. it doesn't

Not after every freaking irrelevant fight. And people moving up and down in a matter of days when they haven’t fought is BS :)

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by SheepleBuster on Jan 9, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I assumed it was a fight featuring someone on his P4P list…

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by spectaa on Jan 9, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Jim Ross had an opinion on the Challengers broadcast team:

On a free preview night on Showtime, the network really dropped the ball in making the fighters human as well as apparently forgetting that Showtime was going to have a much ballyhooed heavyweight tournament in 2011 on which they seem to be hanging their hat.

One broadcast trend, IMO, in MMA is that often times the broadcasters will narrow-cast and speak primarily to the die hard MMA fans while virtually ignoring the casual fan who is attempting to make a decision whether or not to emotionally invest in this relatively new, TV and PPV sport.

There needs to be a better balance on these broadcasts and TV producers and the broadcast teams themselves have to make a more concerted effort to consistently not speak over the heads of casual fans who are sampling the product. This by no means is saying that broadcasters need to ‘dumb down’ their presentation but simply do a better job of covering all bases regarding their viewing audience.

The Strikeforce Challenger broadcast reminded me of one of the many nights that yours truly spent in the Georgia Mountain Center in Gainesville , Georgia taping WCW product before a sparse, largely silent, crowd who was not into the product.

Is he trying to say they didn’t shill enough?

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by Anthony Pace on Jan 9, 2011 5:21 PM EST reply actions  

What a pro wrestling bbq sauce shill Jim Ross is.

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Come to think of it, I’ve never tried J.R.’s BBQ sauce. Is it any good?

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by Sergio Non on Jan 9, 2011 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

i dont agree with ross here

but i think SF dropped the ball by having a challengers card on the showtime free preview weekend

Sf should have put the hendo babalu card here for all the people that sampled showtime who usually dont have it

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by milk72 on Jan 9, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Showtime wants people to see the new Twilight movie and softcore boner flicks on the free weekend. I’m sure the amount of people who have showtime for MMA are a very small piece of the pie.

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by Earl Montclair on Jan 9, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I think their hope was that some people might see the Challengers card and decide they wouldn’t mind seeing the better fighters from the promtion fight, along with getting soft core porn and the Twilight movies haha

by pcusick13 on Jan 9, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

seems like a good plan.

Step 1 – Show the world your lower tier fighters and newcomers.
Step 2 – Cool down by watching Co-Ed Confidential.
Step 3 – ??
Step 4 – Profit!

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by Earl Montclair on Jan 9, 2011 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

haha it seems like a good one to me as well. I wonder how Showtime will feel if Strikeforce does put the HW GP on PPV. I feel like it’s something they wouldn’t want to lose out on.

by pcusick13 on Jan 9, 2011 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

They won't give a shit. Unless Fabricio Werdum is gonna get arrested by Busty Cops backstage

or if Andrei Arlovski is gonna turn into a wolf and play baseball in the woods.

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by Earl Montclair on Jan 9, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

More than that I think they are counting on Strikeforce to breath life back into the PPV side of their business.

by fitefan on Jan 9, 2011 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I think coker said as much. this tournament is their trojan horse to get on PPV.

by destructivist on Jan 9, 2011 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Ya that would be a good idea by them. Heavyweights are always a big draw for casual fans and if they can stick another couple notable fights on that cars I bet it could sell fairly well.

by pcusick13 on Jan 9, 2011 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

its an absolutely horrible idea

ppv that isnt ufc always fails, expect the UFC to put a stacked ppv or free show on that night and absolutely demolish sf

i firmly believe that ppv for SF is a recipe for complete disaster

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by milk72 on Jan 9, 2011 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

PPV carriers and cable companies would likely squash a competing show, certainly a PPV. We’ve been down this road with the wrestling companies and when they started competing with the money making shows on free TV the big dogs had to come in and quiet them down.

by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 10, 2011 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

LOL

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by Leland Roling on Jan 9, 2011 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Ross was trying to say

that Strikeforce/Showtime did nothing to make Friday’s Challengers card seem special. It was a free preview weekend in 60 million homes and instead of putting their best foot forward they rolled out the same routine.

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by ultmma on Jan 9, 2011 5:29 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

they needed MOAR Slobberknockers!

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by Earl Montclair on Jan 9, 2011 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I was actually impressed with how many future card promos they ran plus the discussion of the HW tournament. It’s more promoting than I remember on previous cards.

by John Nash on Jan 9, 2011 5:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I agree on that point

I think Ross wanted more background story on each of the main card fighters to lure in the causal cable viewer in. Which I would say Showtime did a below average job of

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by ultmma on Jan 9, 2011 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Most people who got that free weekend shit probably did it to watch Twilight, and if those are the kind of people who are getting into MMA then I hope the sport is dead by the end of the year.

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by Anthony Pace on Jan 9, 2011 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Twilight set-dressers had interest in adding MMA branding to whatever the next movie is.

No joke. And I don’t have a link or anything for that, you’re gonna have to take my word on this one. Mainstream media and entertainment is trying to cash in on MMA as a fad, or at least attract more interests from the demo by integrating elements of it. Look at the Buried Life doing an MMA episode, or The Mentalist making MMA a key element of a recent episode, that episode of NCIS that was basically co-branded with the Strikeforce: Nashville crew, and the MMA[ish] training scene in Iron Man 2. Every fan marked out at least a little bit for at least one of those and helped the word of mouth advertising on them.

The question is if major media/entertainment entities are cashing in on the fad of MMA like Japan did, or are cashing in on the METEORIC RISE before the plateau into standard niche sporting. I’d like to believe the latter, but fear that they are treating it like the former.

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by pdl on Jan 9, 2011 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I remember when the main villain in The A-Team movie mentioned his “Muay Thai and jiu-jitsu”, I got douchechills and rolled my eyes.

Hopefully it never goes beyond Chuck being on Dancing with the “Stars”.

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by Anthony Pace on Jan 9, 2011 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha. RDS as a hipster? Lol

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by eastcoastatlas on Jan 10, 2011 1:44 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Truthfully...

Pat lost me when he made a comparison preferring Glen Beck over Olbermann….

Liking Beck is one of those litmus tests for stupidity, in my eyes. Like people who oppose the “Ground Zero mosque.”

by CstBoog on Jan 9, 2011 5:25 PM EST reply actions  

Glenn Beck = Alex Jones Wanna Be

And both are clowns :)

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by SheepleBuster on Jan 9, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

watch joey diaz on the alex jones show

rogan mentioned it on his podcast and it could be the funniest thing ever, he tells a story about smuggling weed onto an airplane while jones’ tries to shut him up…. classic

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by milk72 on Jan 9, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

In my experience, unless a fight is absolutely horrible or someone is getting destroyed in a one-sided affair...

all MMA commentators shill for the fighters that are performing in front of them to an extent.

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by Tonley on Jan 9, 2011 5:27 PM EST reply actions  

They're both shills

The end.

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by Charles Awad on Jan 9, 2011 5:35 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

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by Leland Roling on Jan 9, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

boom goes the dynamite

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by Earl Montclair on Jan 9, 2011 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he and I can gldly debate the issue on air ny time @MMAPayout 11:37 AM Jan 8th via Mobile Web in reply to MMAPayout

get it done luke!!!

by destructivist on Jan 9, 2011 5:38 PM EST reply actions  

How in the world is Miletich any more of a company shill than a guy like Mike Goldberg is. Goldie is the ultimate shill. If you’re going to criticize Strikeforce’s commentary team, Miletich is not the commentator you are looking for.

by Rob Young on Jan 9, 2011 5:40 PM EST reply actions  

I think the key difference there is the UFC employs that commentary team while Showtime employs the Strikeforce commentary team. I think that’s where some of the media is drawing their criticism. Still think someone like Goldberg should be noted, but that’s a given.

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by Leland Roling on Jan 9, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Again, reference my “ignoring the drooling kid in the corner” analogy above. Maybe it’s just that Goldie is too obvious a target…

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by Anthony Pace on Jan 9, 2011 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Probably.

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by Leland Roling on Jan 9, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

So you think that being employed by Showtime is supposed to make them somehow more impartial? Why don’t you think they’d be trying to curry favor with Showtime as much as they would be trying to do so for the promotion if they were employed by it directly?

by Rob Young on Jan 9, 2011 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

In reality, no, but this is the mma blogosphere, where Zuffa refusing to “give up control” to a network is a mortal sin, and it’s not like people never complain about the shilling coming from Goldberg and Rogan.

by Phildo on Jan 9, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

The funny thing about all this is that Rogan is talking up fighters from other orgs such as DREAM and Sengoku often during UFC PPVs, and I’ve heard Mauro talking about upcoming UFC fights often during Strikeforce shows.

by Rob Young on Jan 9, 2011 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Probably not.

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by Leland Roling on Jan 9, 2011 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

whoa, pulling out the jedi mind tricks
Miletich is not the commentator you are looking for.

Who's the only one here who knows illegal ninja moves from the government?

by tigerlee on Jan 10, 2011 6:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Definitely a dangerous business we’re in with regards to offending the wrong parties.

IMO, MDS can be criticized if you disagree with the manner in which he went about said criticism; however, I think it’s kind of ridiculous to criticize a writer for writing an editorial. His points were well-reasoned, though I agree with those that feel he should have offered a point of comparison. Honestly, he probably didn’t expect to receive this kind of heat. He’s shown in the past that he is more than adept at handling a multifaceted issue in MMA and exploring it from all sides; this case may be one involving a lack of foresight, not knowledge or bias.

by Steven T. Kelliher on Jan 9, 2011 6:06 PM EST reply actions  

its a lack of objectivity is what it is. He is going on a SF bashing spree and he deserved to get called out on it. I think this woke a lot of people up to the irresponsible double standards we see at lame sites like ****potato, etc.,

At the end of the day, MDS is in no position to criticize pat mistakes or not, and this coming out at the same time Zuffa is trying to pull down all SF HW GP trailers from youtube and I can clearly see a war brewing. Even on middleasy’s rumour mill it sounds like zuffa is trying to make it hard for SF to have their event in NJ.

by destructivist on Jan 9, 2011 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Points taken.

What I am cautioning against is fans reacting with such outrage that they feel writers, at least the ones who have a wealth of experience covering the sport from an angle most fans never get to see, have no right to do so. What are they here for, then?

Get it?

by Steven T. Kelliher on Jan 9, 2011 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree. Far to often in the MMA community people react with anger to articles like this. Why is MDS in no position to critize Militech’s commentating? Agree or disagree with what he said but isn’t his position as a journalist to do exactly that? To offer an analysis of the sport as he sees it and at times to critize that which he feels needs to be critized?

by pcusick13 on Jan 9, 2011 6:19 PM EST up reply actions  

My point exactly.

I think it’s completely fair and warranted to oppose a journalist’s stance on a given topic; however, while there are many outliers, there are a host of qualified writers covering this sport that have done so for years. To challenge their stance on a given topic is one thing; to challenge their right to offer said stance is another, and one that I am completely opposed to.

Then again, I am an MMA journalist, so I am completely biased.

by Steven T. Kelliher on Jan 9, 2011 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Both fair takes gentlemen, but as it stands, MDS has never been a champion, never trained champions, and comes from some kind of college football background. As a guy who went to journalism school (yeah, I fail, etc.,) I’m all about objectivity but I think in this case MDS chose a pretty one-sided argument. His piece, if it was to be actually fair, would call out all shilling and overhyping in MMA broadcasts, be it SF, UFC, that goofy sloped pit promotion (remember that, the old SEG guys?)

But as for his actual criticisms, again, who is MDS to call Pat’s opinion into question? From an elemental point of view Pat is a million times the expert he is. The only difference is that MDS gets a zuffa endorsed paycheque, and pat gets a showtime paycheque. so see that as you may.

by destructivist on Jan 9, 2011 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I really like PAT as a commentator but I agree with SMITH hear in this case and am glad me called him out on it. I rolled my eyes quite a few times at Pat’s comments on friday nights show.

by Shocbomb on Jan 9, 2011 6:12 PM EST reply actions  

MDS

MDS is a known Zuffa paid journalist and works for a Zuffa based site, I’m not surprised by his actions

by snakerattle79 on Jan 9, 2011 7:04 PM EST reply actions  

It's in ALL media. People love to unduly criticize Strikeforce, fans and media

It’s funny how Strikeforce announces a tournament and suddenly everyone wants to write editorials about how bad it will be and how it won’t pan out, but these same writers can’t write opinions when you have a guy busted for drugs.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 9, 2011 7:19 PM EST reply actions  

this is what im talking about. the real truth here is the UFC has no fucking idea what to do. their HW division while already shitty has disintegrated and SF struck at the right time.

by destructivist on Jan 9, 2011 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

The HW division, in general, is shitty. Comparatively to other divisions at least, whether it’s SF or UFC.

by pud333 on Jan 9, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions  

This

S.C. I give you a lot of credit for tackling some of my favorite subjects in mma – the abuse and sleaze.

Now if we can get the bigger mma media sites to do in-depth stories on Strikeforce’s inability to get fighters their promised fights or how Zuffa using sponsor leverage and the threat of being persona non grata in the UFC forces fighters to take fights in lower paying promotions or how the ubiquity of televised fights is killing smaller promotions purses, I’d be a happier man.

by John Nash on Jan 9, 2011 11:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

It is their job

to be a shill.. Goldy, Rogan, Miletich, they are all just doing their job unless

Do you think when Goldy was broadcasting Cardinals games this season he went on air and said “who in the f’ing world is John Skelton?” of course he didn’t. He remained as positive about it as possible. That is their job, if something is very, very bad, of course you aren’t going to point out the negatives, you are selling a product, you point out the positives. It was even more important this weekend because Showtime had the free preview, you think Strikeforce/Showtime wants to waste that opportunity and let some commentator deride their organization on air? C’mon.

The only thing that should even come from this is Miletich’s response, MDS is doing his job as well. Why even give a response, then again, this is MMA where we don’t expect things like professionalism, do we?

by drawp on Jan 9, 2011 8:19 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Let me ask this

It’s pretty much accepted that Iole is a UFC shill, and now MDS appears ready to be painted by the same brush.

Are there any Strikeforce shills in the media? Or just shills for organizations that aren’t the UFC? Do they exist? What are their names?

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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 9, 2011 9:04 PM EST reply actions  

Duh, Kid Nate and Snowden. Don’t you read comments?

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by Neil Manich on Jan 9, 2011 9:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Shills have a financial interest in shilling for a company. There might be fanboys singing Strikeforces praises, but no one is making any money off it.

by John Nash on Jan 9, 2011 11:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

You think the UFC is actually paying Iole? Or does his association with ventures tied to Zuffa – a wide net that would also snatch up Helwani – render him incapable of objectivity?

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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 9, 2011 11:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think they’re being paid directly, but the access they get and the “scoops” they get with that access is what makes them money. That’s a pretty big financial incentive to at least “color” things to make them happy.

Journalist covering Hollywood and Washington often fall in this same trap, protecting and promoting those sources that are making them money.

by John Nash on Jan 9, 2011 11:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

The reporters aren’t being paid directly. The websites certainly are. I think you’ll see in coming months how in bed some of them are with the UFC.

by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 10, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

I would seriously doubt that Zuffa is personally sending paychecks to Iole and Helwani. However, clearly, the UFC has financial interest involved with Yahoo and its also very clear that Dana White has used Kevin Iole as a mouthpiece (see also: “Mirko Cro-Cop Lied to Me!”). There is then very likely some sort of quid pro quo going on there regarding coverage and Iole cashing paychecks.

As for Helwani, c’mon. Given Zuffa’s insistence on controlling every aspect of their production, what are the chances that Zuffa is going to allow Versus to put him on air with their programming without him getting at least a thumbs up or coming to an understanding with them first?

by VirtualBalboa on Jan 10, 2011 9:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Look, Showtime has had the ability to do what they and HBO have both done with boxing and have a fairly impartial announce crew. HBO’s crew generally doesn’t lie to you while watching. In fact, you’re more often than not going to hear someone like Larry Merchant outright tell you that a fight is bad should it be than blow smoke up your ass. Showtime didn’t bring that sort of crew in for Strikeforce, and that’s too bad for the fans IMO.

Obviously the comparison point is the UFC, who’s announcing is generally terrible, as one would expect with a comedian working as color commentator carrying the dead weight of a guy who’s job it is to play stupid and shout out names of sponsors or upcoming events rather than be the play by play man. And hell if either of them is going to tell you a fight is a glaring mismatch or poorly set up until it is A) over B) in the third round of a horrible, lifeless contest. I guess the defense MDS can use is that it isn’t pertinent to how Showtime’s announce crew works, and that’s true. But it doesn’t make it look like any less of a hit job.

by VirtualBalboa on Jan 9, 2011 9:24 PM EST reply actions  

Except that Boxing is generally different from MMA.

HBO/Showtime are working with different Promoters in Boxing.
So, they’re fairly open about criticizing them.

by KOQ24 on Jan 10, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Credentials?

What sort of credentials does Pat Miletich have to criticize a professional (in every sense) blogger? Has he ever put together a blog that reached an audience? Has he ever attempted to conduct professional interviews with subjects who are uncooperative, unprofessional, delusional, hostile, or all of the above?

I’m overstating to make a point, of course, but I have to ask: Did Miletich attempt to make a substantive point, or was it all a bunch of inane questions about MDS’ “credentials” and a Glenn Beck shoutout? I know Luke didn’t post the whole conversation, so I’ll reserve judgment.

But this sounds a bit like the “jockocracy” that Howard Cosell warned us about.

All that said, I’ve enjoyed Miletich’s commentary on various MMA shows. Just surprised he has either a really thin skin or perhaps a lack of confidence in his work to go ad hominem from the get-go.

by Beau Dure on Jan 9, 2011 9:34 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I have to agree with the thin skin comment, but that just seems to be the norm with everyone in MMA, it’s not just confined to commentators. Josh Barnett losing it over Florian’s remarks (which were 100% accurate) on MMA live is a joke. Hell, even Rogan’s outburst after Rios silly remarks was pretty damn ridiculous.

by drawp on Jan 9, 2011 10:21 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Is SBN screwy for anyone else?

Hate to be off topic, but pages appear as though I’m not a member of this site (no listing of unread comments, etc).

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by Charles Awad on Jan 9, 2011 9:51 PM EST reply actions  

It seems to happen every now and then, sure it will be fixed once the weekdays hit.

Guillotine.

by iiowyn on Jan 9, 2011 10:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Never seen it

I must be banned and/or dead.

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by Charles Awad on Jan 9, 2011 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, it did that to me.

It’s not coming back

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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 10, 2011 1:01 AM EST up reply actions  

C'mon, the guy is a Strikeforce shill.

It’s a bit absurd for anyone to suggest that he’s not talking up his company’s product. And it would be kind of absurd if he chose not to. His exaggerating the abilities of a guy like Woodley is not an issue to me. Why is anyone surprised that he puts a little extra sheen on his employer’s product? In addition to being an absolute Strikeforce cheerleader, he’s also an excellent analyst of what goes on inside the ring, and in another job, a thoughtful observer of and objective commentator on the broad spectrum of MMA, its fighters and promotions. He’s also apparently a sneering tea-party whack job, the kind that guy that puts dread into the hearts of rational people everywhere — but that’s also his right. He embellishes a bit and sometimes it’s noticeable because he doesn’t always have a lot to work with, but I would say he’s performing his job very well.

by Charlie Custer on Jan 9, 2011 10:08 PM EST reply actions  

i just simply cannot believe a commentator would talk up the fighters of the promotion he is working for. UNHEARD OF! ::rolls eyes::

by candy routure on Jan 9, 2011 10:11 PM EST reply actions  

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