UFC Champion Georges St. Pierre Training With BJJ World Champions Roger Gracie and Braulio Estima
by Anton Tabuena on Jan 9, 2011 6:06 AM EST
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In preparation for his UFC 129 bout against the very talented grappler, Jake Shields, UFC welterweight champion, Georges St. Pierre recently trained with Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu world champions, Roger Gracie and Braulio Estima. More photos from Craig Bush after the jump.
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You honestly don't see any point?
GSP is training with Braulio.
Shields is training with Nate Diaz.
Who’s gonna make you better on the ground?
Koscheck has frosted tips.
Shields is also training with Cesar Gracie, not just Nate Diaz. Be serious
by disinferno06 on Jan 9, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
true,
but you guys are missing the point…
Here’s what he’s trying to say: GSP will be have the most problems on the ground against Shields, so he is working on his ground game with the best in the world to prepare for that. Shields on the other hand, will have to prepare for GSP’s striking, and who is he training with to improve on that?
by Anton Tabuena on Jan 9, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I’m not missing the point. I’m responding solely to that particular comment, regarding improvement on the ground. As for improving striking, Jake is in Thailand at Tiger to improve that
by disinferno06 on Jan 9, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
As for improving striking, Jake is in Thailand at Tiger to improve that
And he still looks terrible on his feet from what we’ve seen.
"A guy in Texas came up to me and told me ‘Frye you're not mixed martial arts, you're no holds barred’, and I said you're god damn right partner." ~ Don Frye
That is
completely true haha. Watch the video of the Thai instructor telling him to throw a kick, or to jab then block a kick. He looks like someone who’s on their first week of classes. It’s amazing how terrible it is. However, he is trying, for whatever that’s worth
I give him credit for that, but I don’t think that camp of his has good enough full-time strikers or striking coaches to train with. Him going to Thailand at this point in his striking development is like a teenager who has had their license for a year going to Germany to drive with an F1 team. He’s just not far enough along to make the most of it.
"A guy in Texas came up to me and told me ‘Frye you're not mixed martial arts, you're no holds barred’, and I said you're god damn right partner." ~ Don Frye
Shields won't be able to take GSP down.
He is gonna get beat up worse than Fitch.
It will be awesome.
I think there is so underrating of Shields grappling ability
vids of GSP and Shields against Leo Santos, multiple time BJJ world champ at 2005 ADCC
GSP:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCLoV40jDKM
Shields:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hx2waUvSM1s&feature=related
Shields won a Pan Am as a purple belt and has bronze medal from ADCC, he is a legit international level grappler. Now it hasn’t translated fully to MMA and GSP is an elite MMA grappler, but if this match ends up being a no gi grappling match Shields is dangerous.
Shields has 11 submissions in MMA – I’d say his skill translated over to MMA. He’s also tooled guys bigger than him on the ground.
I would actually put Shields as #2 WW in the world right now.
Somewhat dubious
You’re right. Shields is very, very good, and his submission of Santos was probably (if there were betting lines) a sizable upset. In GSP’s case, I’m not sure the Santos video shows much, other than it’s always possible to get caught. At the time of his match with Santos, GSP was a purple belt. That same tournament he beat Otto Olson, who placed 2nd to Marcelo Garcia in a prior ADCC. Not too shabby. I actually think GSP would beat Shields in a grappling match. His wrestling and guard passing are world class and Shields is nothing special from his back.
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by The Darkness on Jan 10, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
LOL
Braulio is another word for penis hehehehehehehe.
by GuyMontague on Jan 9, 2011 6:30 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
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by Jaspawokki on Jan 9, 2011 6:44 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
I don’t pretend to know a lot about fighting so can someone tell me why this Mark Coleman gif is so funny?
besides looking a bit awkward,
when he did that, people laugh cause it seems like coleman got a bit tired doing that.
by Anton Tabuena on Jan 9, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
Judging by how GSP performed against Kos after training with Roach
I’m going to say that GSP spends the entire fight taking Jake down and then doing a basic but underutilized guard pass followed by not much else. GSP fanboys will break their fingers on their keyboards trying to convince everyone that it’s the single most impressive display of MMA technique ever seen.
OHHHHH! OH MY GOODNESS DID YOU SEE THAT?! He ran up the wall like a ninja and landed a high kick! Unbelievable! I've never seen anything like that, it's like something out of a movie!
by lowellthehammer on Jan 9, 2011 8:36 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I sometimes am not sure who you like
…if anyone.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Jan 9, 2011 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
I generally become a fan of fighters based on their personalities.
GSP is a bit lacking in that department.
That being said I can’t think of a single fighter that I don’t like. This is more a jab at GSP’s fanbase than the man himself.
OHHHHH! OH MY GOODNESS DID YOU SEE THAT?! He ran up the wall like a ninja and landed a high kick! Unbelievable! I've never seen anything like that, it's like something out of a movie!
by lowellthehammer on Jan 9, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
Oh see that's my problem
I like thugs.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Jan 9, 2011 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
He's a nice guy...but he has no personality.
When’s the last time you heard GSP say something really interesting? He always says the same boring things, always has a moderate opinion, and that’s great as a face of the sport but does nothing for me personally.
OHHHHH! OH MY GOODNESS DID YOU SEE THAT?! He ran up the wall like a ninja and landed a high kick! Unbelievable! I've never seen anything like that, it's like something out of a movie!
by lowellthehammer on Jan 9, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
...methinks you misread that article.
OHHHHH! OH MY GOODNESS DID YOU SEE THAT?! He ran up the wall like a ninja and landed a high kick! Unbelievable! I've never seen anything like that, it's like something out of a movie!
by lowellthehammer on Jan 9, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
Anthropologists study people. Paleontologists study dinosaurs.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
Reasoning will never make a man correct an ill opinion, which by reasoning he never acquired. -Jonathan Swift
by Scott C. Broussard on Jan 9, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
Who studies Mark Coleman?
Yeah...protect you thumb...it's the only thing that differentiates you from the monkey...
by dancingChicken on Jan 9, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
WHO WATCHES THE WATCHMEN?!
OHHHHH! OH MY GOODNESS DID YOU SEE THAT?! He ran up the wall like a ninja and landed a high kick! Unbelievable! I've never seen anything like that, it's like something out of a movie!
by lowellthehammer on Jan 9, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
Who was in the Who?
Yeah...protect you thumb...it's the only thing that differentiates you from the monkey...
by dancingChicken on Jan 9, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
For shame.
OHHHHH! OH MY GOODNESS DID YOU SEE THAT?! He ran up the wall like a ninja and landed a high kick! Unbelievable! I've never seen anything like that, it's like something out of a movie!
by lowellthehammer on Jan 9, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Juvenile.
"...good or bad, handsome or ugly, rich or poor they are all equal now."
by dancingChicken on Jan 9, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Gerontologists.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
Reasoning will never make a man correct an ill opinion, which by reasoning he never acquired. -Jonathan Swift
by Scott C. Broussard on Jan 9, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think his accent makes up for what he lacks in personality
Just kidding. His accent stopped becoming amusing a couple of years ago
"But I was like "I don't know how they do things where you guys are from, but I dont think monogamy is legal in this country."
You should probably know that it’s hard to judge a personality from what someone shows to the media
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by Austin Martin on Jan 9, 2011 11:28 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
True as that may be
I can only judge based on what I see.
OHHHHH! OH MY GOODNESS DID YOU SEE THAT?! He ran up the wall like a ninja and landed a high kick! Unbelievable! I've never seen anything like that, it's like something out of a movie!
by lowellthehammer on Jan 9, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
Judging on admittedly insufficient knowledge is the height of ignorance.
"Who are you and how the hell did you get in here?"
"I'm a locksmith... and i'm a locksmith."
by Goonisis on Jan 9, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's me bruh.
OHHHHH! OH MY GOODNESS DID YOU SEE THAT?! He ran up the wall like a ninja and landed a high kick! Unbelievable! I've never seen anything like that, it's like something out of a movie!
by lowellthehammer on Jan 9, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
At least this morning
Buck up. Everyone has bad days.
"Who are you and how the hell did you get in here?"
"I'm a locksmith... and i'm a locksmith."
Same to you.
OHHHHH! OH MY GOODNESS DID YOU SEE THAT?! He ran up the wall like a ninja and landed a high kick! Unbelievable! I've never seen anything like that, it's like something out of a movie!
by lowellthehammer on Jan 9, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
English is GSP's second language
so that may contribute to not being able to tell what his personality is truly like. Just a thought.
Also
false dilemma. There are many different shades of grey between ‘thug’ and ‘yawn inducing’.
OHHHHH! OH MY GOODNESS DID YOU SEE THAT?! He ran up the wall like a ninja and landed a high kick! Unbelievable! I've never seen anything like that, it's like something out of a movie!
by lowellthehammer on Jan 9, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
I generally become a fan of fighters based on their shoes colors.
I agree, GSP is not up there
Woke up this morning, ya got a blue moon, got a blue moon in your eyes
Will that guard pass lead to a broken face? Will displaying great techniques somehow be evidence of not showing technique? Great attempt at humor.
by Hardcharger on Jan 9, 2011 11:09 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Will GSP fans always be extremely defensive?
Will your comment make no sense in response to mine? Seems that way.
OHHHHH! OH MY GOODNESS DID YOU SEE THAT?! He ran up the wall like a ninja and landed a high kick! Unbelievable! I've never seen anything like that, it's like something out of a movie!
by lowellthehammer on Jan 9, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
Bro, your comment was incendiary and douchey. What the fuck do you expect?
"Who are you and how the hell did you get in here?"
"I'm a locksmith... and i'm a locksmith."
by Goonisis on Jan 9, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
It wasn't unexpected, never said it was.
OHHHHH! OH MY GOODNESS DID YOU SEE THAT?! He ran up the wall like a ninja and landed a high kick! Unbelievable! I've never seen anything like that, it's like something out of a movie!
by lowellthehammer on Jan 9, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
But you literally just did.
Don’t want people to be defensive, don’t act like a dick.
"Who are you and how the hell did you get in here?"
"I'm a locksmith... and i'm a locksmith."
I made a pretty light jab at GSP and his fans. You come in here and flip shit because someone dared to make a joke about your favorite fighter. You tell me who has the problem.
OHHHHH! OH MY GOODNESS DID YOU SEE THAT?! He ran up the wall like a ninja and landed a high kick! Unbelievable! I've never seen anything like that, it's like something out of a movie!
by lowellthehammer on Jan 9, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
You do
Like i said, don’t act like a dick. But if you insist on doing so anyway, don’t act incredulous or confused when people aren’t cool with it. That’s not how shit works. You don’t get to do that.
"Who are you and how the hell did you get in here?"
"I'm a locksmith... and i'm a locksmith."
"a pretty light jab"
You can call it what you want to, but obvious flame baiting is obvious.
"Who are you and how the hell did you get in here?"
"I'm a locksmith... and i'm a locksmith."
Jokes are jokes
forgive me for not taking these blog comments as seriously as you apparently do.
OHHHHH! OH MY GOODNESS DID YOU SEE THAT?! He ran up the wall like a ninja and landed a high kick! Unbelievable! I've never seen anything like that, it's like something out of a movie!
by lowellthehammer on Jan 9, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
You take it seriously enough to what to insight of reaction obviously.
But this is such a lame ass cop out. I doubt either of us take this shit seriously. It’s about 0.007% of our day most likely. Meaningless, pointless. Doesn’t change the fact that you’re being a douche.
"Who are you and how the hell did you get in here?"
"I'm a locksmith... and i'm a locksmith."
I’ll remember never to make a joke about GSP again then sir, lest I offend you. Carry on.
OHHHHH! OH MY GOODNESS DID YOU SEE THAT?! He ran up the wall like a ninja and landed a high kick! Unbelievable! I've never seen anything like that, it's like something out of a movie!
by lowellthehammer on Jan 9, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
Obnoxiousness in any form is my vile enemy.
But i’m glad we’ve come to an understanding.
"Who are you and how the hell did you get in here?"
"I'm a locksmith... and i'm a locksmith."
Is that what happened here?
OHHHHH! OH MY GOODNESS DID YOU SEE THAT?! He ran up the wall like a ninja and landed a high kick! Unbelievable! I've never seen anything like that, it's like something out of a movie!
by lowellthehammer on Jan 9, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
I learned not to make Gsp jokes after Serra 1. The fanboys are strong with this one. And for the record, I thought your joke was pretty funny.
by RoB_ex on Jan 9, 2011 12:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
OHHHHH! OH MY GOODNESS DID YOU SEE THAT?! He ran up the wall like a ninja and landed a high kick! Unbelievable! I've never seen anything like that, it's like something out of a movie!
by lowellthehammer on Jan 9, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
You keep acting like I'm surprised and I'm not.
OHHHHH! OH MY GOODNESS DID YOU SEE THAT?! He ran up the wall like a ninja and landed a high kick! Unbelievable! I've never seen anything like that, it's like something out of a movie!
by lowellthehammer on Jan 9, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
Holy hypocrisy Batman
So you get to make stupid generalizations about GSP fans, and it’s a light jab.
But when someone makes a completely innocuous comment about GSP breaking Kos’ face, suddenly he’s “extremely defensive”.
Then someone calls your comment out for being incendiary (which obviously was the point of you doing it), and he’s “flipping shit”.
Buddy, if you can’t take it, don’t dish it.
Why would that kind of thing upset GSP fans?
I mean other then it being obnoxious, disrespectful and whatnot. It’s good times being a fan of the greatest P4P fighter alive and the likely GOAT of the sport. It’s gonna take a lot more then people like you, who can’t help but act like petty little jealous whiners when it comes to GSP, to bother anyone. Beyond general obnoxiousness, that is.
Have at her though bud. If you think that’s a cool thing to do, i guess.
Meh. I don’t know why i give into flame bating so easily.
"Who are you and how the hell did you get in here?"
"I'm a locksmith... and i'm a locksmith."
by Goonisis on Jan 9, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The very last thing GSP will want to do in this fight
is take Jake Shields down. If GSP has his way, it will look exactly like the fight against Kos, less the takedowns/takedown attempts GSP made…
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Jan 9, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
The very last thing I would want anyone to have in this comment section
is a sense of humor.
OHHHHH! OH MY GOODNESS DID YOU SEE THAT?! He ran up the wall like a ninja and landed a high kick! Unbelievable! I've never seen anything like that, it's like something out of a movie!
by lowellthehammer on Jan 9, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
Several people here do seem to be
going through one of those periodic episodes of being overly touchy, that’s for sure…
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Jan 9, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Nah
he likes to beat people where they are weakest. Shields is weakest on the feet.
OHHHHH! OH MY GOODNESS DID YOU SEE THAT?! He ran up the wall like a ninja and landed a high kick! Unbelievable! I've never seen anything like that, it's like something out of a movie!
by lowellthehammer on Jan 9, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
"...good or bad, handsome or ugly, rich or poor they are all equal now."
by dancingChicken on Jan 9, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
That's what gets Fedor in trouble, and
what finally got him caught.
GSP seems to focus exclusively on their weakest area for the most part.
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Jan 9, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
lol. I love it.
"In this fight, Anderson showed he was human," Nogueira said. "He showed he could be weak. But he showed he is a fighter and he brings something from his heart. It was beautiful."
by Broke Lesnar on Jan 9, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
ha
Your view of GSP’s fans is essentially my view of Anderson Silva’s. I find all of the talk about how great he is infuriating. Not because he’s not great but he simply got way more credit (IMO) than he deserved. I’m a huge, huge GSP fan and am delusional enough to think he can beat people I won’t even bother to name for fear of damaging my meager credibility. Even so, his recent performances although in a way flawless are simply not exciting so I’m OK with a little hate being thrown his way now and again.
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by The Darkness on Jan 10, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
Is anyone here like me that actually would like Shields to win?
Food goes in here
by Pandanus on Jan 9, 2011 9:06 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I always want the underdog to succeed.
Even if Shields doesn’t win I hope he has a good showing. Seems like a nice enough guy and I generally dig the wrestling/BJJ combo that he brings to the table, although he’s been having a rough time with the submission part as of late (could have a lot to do with fighting at MW where he’s undersized).
OHHHHH! OH MY GOODNESS DID YOU SEE THAT?! He ran up the wall like a ninja and landed a high kick! Unbelievable! I've never seen anything like that, it's like something out of a movie!
by lowellthehammer on Jan 9, 2011 9:10 AM EST up reply actions
I like GSP, but I would like to see Shields win simply because it would throw the world as we know it into chaos.
I'm for anything that would make the Interent explode.
Mainly I just want to see Jake acquit himself well in that fight.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Jan 9, 2011 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
All for show
I see no reason why GSP would want this fight to go to the ground. I see him doing basically the same thing he did against Kos.
"But I was like "I don't know how they do things where you guys are from, but I dont think monogamy is legal in this country."
It’s not all for show. He’s preparing himself for the possibility that Jake takes him down.
I know it is impossible for GSP fans to comprehend that someone might actually outwrestle him, but fortunately for you, GSP does not share your delusions. He knows there is a possibility that Jake takes him down and winds up on top of him and he is preparing himself to deal with that scenario.
by Steve4192 on Jan 9, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If you remove the generalizations that seem to bother you,
Steve4192 is pretty spot on in that assessment…
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Jan 9, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
Hey man
Jake may have better submissions and control on the ground, but in terms of takedown offense Kos > Shields any day. I think it will be very difficult for Jake to take GSP down given that he has no high level standup game to mix up with his wrestling. At least Kos had the punching power to make GSP think twice.
"But I was like "I don't know how they do things where you guys are from, but I dont think monogamy is legal in this country."
Thiswas for Steve4192. Sorry
"But I was like "I don't know how they do things where you guys are from, but I dont think monogamy is legal in this country."
Difficult? Absolutely.
Impossible? No.
GSP has to be prepared for the worst.
Also, don’t underestimate Jake’s takedowns. Just because he doesn’t hit big power doubles where he drives guys across the cage and slams them does not mean he has poor takedowns. A simple single-leg where he turns the corner and gently drags his opponent to the ground is just as effective. His takedowns may not be flashy, but they always seem to get the job done.
His takedowns may not be flashy, but they always seem to get the job done.
Exactly! Shields is one of those guys that everyone looks at as overrated at first glance, but just because he isn’t flashy, doesn’t mean he isn’t highly effective.
GSP’s freaky athleticism helps him so much on the ground – put Shields’ grappling skills and mind in GSP’s or Askren’s bodies and you have a true monster…
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Jan 9, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
Kos' high level stand-up is an overhand right, and as far as mixing it with his wrestling
he doesn’t. Simple as that. If anything Shields is more likely to get GSP down because he doesn’t have any delusions that he can hack it on the feet and thus he won’t give Georges as much of an opportunity to rearrange his facial structure before he grabs onto a leg.
OHHHHH! OH MY GOODNESS DID YOU SEE THAT?! He ran up the wall like a ninja and landed a high kick! Unbelievable! I've never seen anything like that, it's like something out of a movie!
by lowellthehammer on Jan 9, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
This
Also, Shields is tenacious in chasing the takedowns and was prepared to take shots from Henderson (he had to, he had no other option) to get at takedown; he’ll do the same against GSP. And Shields is probably the biggest MMA submission threat St. Pierre has faced since Hughes, so it makes sense to be prepared to deal with the very worst.
"With gold thou boughtest Gýmir's daughter,
and so gavest away thy sword:
but when Muspell's sons through the dark forest ride,
thou, unhappy, wilt not have wherewith to fight."
~ Lokasenna
One thing GSP has that Hendo doesn't:
The clinch.
If Shields comes inside against Hendo, he has no fear of the big looping “I’m too old to bend” overhand right hurting him in close and can go to work. But against GSP, ‘inside’ is knees and elbows, throws and cagegrinding.
Shields needs to get inside to get GSP down, but just as Georges can hurt you badly from the outside (Kos), he’s also a mean dog on the inside (Penn).
Koscheck has frosted tips.
This is quite possibly the funniest thing I have ever read on BE.
The Olympic Greco guy has no clinch game?
Hilarious.
Yes.
All the time.
Hendo’s bread & butter his entire career has been in the clinch. Saying he has no clinch game is absolutely insane and anyone who says it must have started watching him right around UFC 100.
Yes, and conversely a big part of GSP’s effectiveness in the clinch against Penn was that Penn was constantly defending the potential takedown which left him vulnerable to strikes. But GSP does not throw many knees, never throws standing elbows and in general is not an Anderson Silva-type wrecking machine in close. Besides which if it gets that close I suspect Shields will be willing to pull guard.
"With gold thou boughtest Gýmir's daughter,
and so gavest away thy sword:
but when Muspell's sons through the dark forest ride,
thou, unhappy, wilt not have wherewith to fight."
~ Lokasenna
Nope. Jones is the same height as Roger. That dude is shorter.
Yeah...protect you thumb...it's the only thing that differentiates you from the monkey...
by dancingChicken on Jan 9, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
Really??? Those two look NOTHING alike.
by disinferno06 on Jan 9, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
GSP's MMA skills are now....
"But I was like "I don't know how they do things where you guys are from, but I dont think monogamy is legal in this country."
by WARistotle on Jan 9, 2011 10:47 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Fuck that.
He’d have to train with Gary Goodridge if he wants to be on Lincoln’s level.
OHHHHH! OH MY GOODNESS DID YOU SEE THAT?! He ran up the wall like a ninja and landed a high kick! Unbelievable! I've never seen anything like that, it's like something out of a movie!
by lowellthehammer on Jan 9, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I don't think anyone wants to train with Sifu Goodrigde.
"A guy in Texas came up to me and told me ‘Frye you're not mixed martial arts, you're no holds barred’, and I said you're god damn right partner." ~ Don Frye
by sBruce24 on Jan 9, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
There’s no doubt that GSP knows what he is doing to get better! Training boxing with Freddy Roach, now some jiu jitsu with two of the world’s best. With Shield’s striking that is as relevant as Aoki’s,lol! GSP should take it!
by melzui on Jan 9, 2011 11:08 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
My thoughts exactly
Unlike Lesnar (came from the top of my head, not fighting obviously), GSP gets the best in the world in a certain martial art and trains his ass off with them. Kos’ eye was fucked up because of him training w/ Freddie roach for his boxing and now he gets 2 of the best BJJ players on the planet. He should work on his defensive wrestling some too. Shouldnt be a problem but he still wants to keep it standing.
Broken faces aren’t enough for you?
"A guy in Texas came up to me and told me ‘Frye you're not mixed martial arts, you're no holds barred’, and I said you're god damn right partner." ~ Don Frye
If the doctor had done his job, the fight would have been stopped. I don’t get this trivial insistence on “finishing” a fight. The fact that a guy made it to the bell =/= lay n’ pray or boring fights. He destroyed Kos and Fitch, and I think those were far more dominating and exciting performances than if he had managed to get a late sub on Dan Hardy (though I like the Hardy fight). Go watch Cro Cop vs. Mir again, that should leave you satisfied.
"A guy in Texas came up to me and told me ‘Frye you're not mixed martial arts, you're no holds barred’, and I said you're god damn right partner." ~ Don Frye
by sBruce24 on Jan 9, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I admire and respect fighters more who put themselves in the pocket, and while they may leave themselves vulnerable they go in there looking to finish their opponents. I love how Fedor and Anderson have made a living doing this.
The man stood right in front of Fitch, Alves and Koscheck, got in there and took Hardy down at will. He stands in the pocket as much as anyone else. Its not his fault guys like Kos and Fitch and Hardy lack the requisite skills to truly make it interesting.
I agree with you on guys who stay in the pocket, I respect those kinds of fighters more than any other, but that criticism doesn’t apply to GSP, not recently, not ever.
"A guy in Texas came up to me and told me ‘Frye you're not mixed martial arts, you're no holds barred’, and I said you're god damn right partner." ~ Don Frye
Anderson is one of the best pure strikers in all of MMA, he has just been fortunate to be in the division that is arguable the weakest overall, and certainly the weakest in terms of elite MMA Wrestlers – his kryptonite…
As for Fedor, his foolhardy tendency to want to engage in an opponents strength just came back to bite him in the ass – and will again, should he behave so recklessly going forward…
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by The American Ronin on Jan 11, 2011 1:45 AM EST up reply actions
When was the last time Anderson stayed in the pocket?
He only recently did it against a slow and predictable Forrest after he already dropped him. Other than that, we haven’t seen Silva stay in the pocket since what, the Franklin fights?
GSP and Fedor are the ones that will always attack an opponent, don’t need a handpicked opponent to bring the fight to him (and even that isn’t enough, as we saw with Silva-Maia), and don’t get their offense primarily from counterstriking. They attack an opponent on his back and proactively prevent the disasters we’ve seen in some Silva fights.
I’m really interested in seeing if Shields can get GSP down. I’m thinking he won’t be able to, and GSP tries to keep it standing and tries to maul him.
BJ PENN WOULD SCHOOL EVERYONE
and god said to abraham "you must get melvin manhoef to deal with these bitches"
please dont say dumb shiz like this.
It takes away the credibility of sane Bj fans. You cant say Bj can beat everyone when brumilo and Roger are in the article above.
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by the-gentle-way on Jan 9, 2011 6:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
BJ did win his weight at mundials 10+ years ago which is an impressive feat – no taking that away from him. However, Roger and Braulio ahve down this several times over and also in the absolute division. Not to mention their combined accomplishments in the ADCC tournaments – which BJ never even participated in.
I don’t think BJ would dominate grappling/bjj tournaments in 2011 the way he did in the 90’s. The sport has evolved.
-550
I feel like Shields is better than -550 but he’s such an awesome stylistic match up for GSP that it’s hard to see GSP losing this. Shields’ best chance is to train like mad with Askren, force scrambles and hope to end up on top. To train for Shields GSP actually needs to probably bring in some outstanding former collegiate wrestlers. Because of the way collegiate wrestling is scored (namely, back exposure without control doesn’t result in a score for your opponent), crazy scrambles happen all of the time. You rarely see scrambles to the same extent in freestyle. Training with Estima and Gracie is awesome and can’t hurt but their games are nothing like Shields’. I doubt it will matter.
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I completely agree
even if Shields had the overall advantage in grappling skill, I think GSP’s superior athleticism is too much to overcome.
I expect this to look very similar to the GSP-Kos fight, except that GSP likely won’t attempt any takedowns, possibly excluding if he reaches a point where Shields is either gassed or rocked and he can safely plant him without risk of a scramble.
I honestly can’t see Shields having much success taking him down, although if he were to do so, especially if a scramble resulted, it would put GSP more at risk than he has been in a long time…
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
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by The American Ronin on Jan 10, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
As a GSP fan, I like watching him win in dominant fashion; still I like variety too and wouldn’t mind seeing him in some danger. Kos was able to create a nice scramble when he dove for a leg; I could see perhaps Askren’s influence there. Shields needs to push relentlessly for scrambles — Shields should be diving for GSP’s legs, pulling guard, dropping for knee bars, and doing everything else almost without regard to risk he needs to get this fight to the ground. I think GSP’s athleticism and fight IQ will make it extremely difficult for Shields to do much. Like you, I don’t see GSP shooting any TDs, save for times when Shields is rocked. I also see him avoiding the clinch since Shields best chance at forcing scrambles is when GSP’s back is against the cage and he can’t sprall.
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by The Darkness on Jan 10, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
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