So Why Did the UFC Suspend Chael Sonnen Again?
Chael Sonnen's guilty plea on federal money laundering charges was just the capper to a very long strange 2010 for the UFC star. As weird as it all was it was just a new low for the voluble Sonnen. But the UFC's decision to suspend Sonnen for an unspecified time was something new entirely.
The UFC has suspended fighters who've failed drug tests in locales without athletic commissions where the UFC is forced to regulate themselves, but to my knowledge this is the fist time they've suspended a fighter on moral grounds.
Maggie Hendricks lists some of the capers that the UFC didn't feel merited a suspension:
Quinton "Rampage" Jackson, the one-time light heavyweight champ, plead guilty last January to going on a reckless driving spree in southern California. Later in 2009, he coached on "The Ultimate Fighter" and starred in a remake of "The A-Team."
Josh Neer fought on Ultimate Fight Night 17 just over a month after his second DUI arrest, but wasn't cut from the UFC until he had two losses in a row. Chris Leben, who fought last weekend at UFC 125, was arrested for a DUI in October 2010 and a probation violation in April 2008.
We'll hear a who's who of MMA and sports punditry sounding off on the Sonnen suspension in the full entry.
SI.com's Jeff Wagenheim gives the outside MMA perspective on Sonnen and his suspension:
This suspension might be White simply creating a temporary buffer between the UFC and a newly convicted felon, with their relationship to continue, as if nothing ever happened once the smoke clears. Or perhaps the UFC truly has become tired of Sonnen's sorry act.
If that wasn't the case after the testosterone suspension, or after his Twitter feed was characterized by The Huffington Post as "racist and xenophobic," it might well be the case now that Sonnen is in legal hot water with the federal government. If so, it will represent quite a fall from grace. Before being hit with the money laundering charge, Sonnen was a rising star not just in the UFC but also in Oregon politics. He won the Republican primary (running unopposed) in a race for a seat in the state's House of Representatives last May, but dropped out of the general election a month later, saying, "A 2006 legal issue has arisen that needs my immediate attention."
Now that the legal issue has been adjudicated, brace yourself for Chael Sonnen's next tall tale. We're going to hear how the IRS had it all wrong, how he had nothing to do with the shady real estate deal ... and even if he did, he was just trying to create affordable housing for some elderly, disabled poor people ... and he had the governor's permission to do so, anyway, right here on a signed and notarized piece of paper that he can show -- oh, he must have left it at home.
E. Spencer Kyte, writing at Heavy.com thinks this is a big step forward for the promotion and the sport:
When the day comes where the UFC is viewed as a legitimate mainstream sport by the masses, there will be all kinds of well-known and well-discussed events that are mentioned as markers along the way. One such event that will probably be overlooked amidst the notable historic moments is Tuesday's suspension of Chael Sonnen.
Though it will be mentioned far less frequently than the TUF 1 Finale and the creation of the Unified Rules of Mixed Martial Arts, the decision to keep Sonnen on the sidelines is a very important step towards greater acceptance.
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Despite the fact that countless athletes who have appeared on a police blotter or two (or worse) are gainfully employed in other professional sports, mixed martial arts is currently held to different standards than the NFL, for example. As such, keeping Sonnen in the mix would have been deemed evidence that the sport is populated with nothing but convicts and criminals while next to no one objects to Donte Stallworth, Santonio Holmes, or Gilbert Arenas collecting a multi-million-dollar salary each year (all served league imposed suspensions as will Sonnen).
By scrapping Sonnen's scheduled fight with Akiyama and putting him on the sidelines for an indefinite period, the UFC is following in the footsteps of the other major professional sports organizations and showing that legal penalties are not the only consequences fighters need to be concerned about in these types of situations.
In taking this course of action with Sonnen, Dana White and company are setting an important precedent for the organization and its athlete: that your ability to earn a living in the UFC doesn't rely solely on what you do inside the cage and your personal conduct will be taken into consideration.
Tomas Rios, writing at his new blog has a different take:
It took this perfect storm of high-profile disgrace for the UFC to do anything about Sonnen or even acknowledge that maintaining his employment at this time is problematic. However, the UFC's decision to freeze Sonnen's contract is meaningless as a punishment. There is no length of time attached to the freeze and UFC President Dana White is framing it as an attempt to give Sonnen the time he needs to straighten out his "personal life" as opposed to his "complete mess of a life".
This is all in line with the UFC's dogged insistence on staying out of almost any matter that their contracted fighters get themselves into. Stole the Statue of Liberty? That's not our problem, the police can handle it. Tested positive for the zombie virus from "The Walking Dead"? That sounds like something the commission should take care of. The palatability of this stance boils down to the perception that combat sport athletes, unlike their stick and ball brethren, are independent contractors and not representatives of a league. Not surprisingly, the UFC wants it both ways on this front since they also go to great lengths to ensure the UFC brand remains synonymous with MMA to the point that MMA is an unfamiliar term to many casual fans.
The result is that, much like the NFL or NBA, the UFC is able to use its brand name league status to position itself as the premier source for MMA without fans even realizing it. In other words, the UFC's structure in regards to its competitors is far more similar to that of major sports leagues than it is to boxing or kickboxing. Furthermore, in their ideal world the UFC would have the kind of unbreakable strangle hold on talent that only major sports leagues enjoy.
The point here is that the UFC's stance on fighter misconduct is built on a false foundation that is starting to catch up to them. Sonnen is merely the manifestation of that inevitability and the UFC's response thus far not only amounts to a cop-out, but also serves as a guarantee of future headaches. After all, there is a sound rationale to why the major sports leagues have strict personal conduct policies and much of it has to do with their desire to separate the personal follies of the athletes employed by the brand from the brand itself. By attempting to avoid the matter altogether, the UFC is only emboldening its athletes to produce fodder for TMZ.
Even without the UFC suspension, Sonnen faced a serious hurdle in getting re-licensed by Nevada even after he serves his suspension with the California State Athletic Commission. Cage Side Seats spoke with NSAC ED Keith Kizer:
...with regards to Sonnen getting re-licensed in Nevada (since they recognize other commissions' suspensions) "if Mr. Sonnen wants to get a license here in Nevada, it's probably best if he appears before our commission as opposed to me giving him one administratively."
Sonnen claimed that Kizer was lying, but that this was a-okay. He was just doing what he had to do since he was bound by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA) to not say anything about what he knew about Sonnen's private medical records in his capacity as a government official. Among other things, HIPAA established new privacy guidelines for Protected Health Information (PHI) in the US. PHI is information held by a "covered entity" having to do with an individual's health care or health status that can be linked to the individual.
Being pretty sure that athletic commissions are not covered entities (and even without any prior knowledge, it's Chael Sonnen), I emailed Kizer. I think you can guess what he said.
He wrote that "HIPPA [sic] does not apply to the NSAC as we are not a medical provider." He added that "I have never spoken with Mr. Sonnen on any matter. He has informed me that he wants to fly to Las Vegas and explain to me why he thought he had the OK to use TRT in Nevada. Senior Deputy Attorney General David Newton and I are awaiting him proposing a date for such a meeting." With UFC suspending him after cancelling his fight with Yoshihiro Akiyama at UFC 128 in light of his guilty plea on money laundering charges I expect that it'll be a while before that happens.
It's not just Nevada either, Dave Meltzer (via Wrestling Observer, subscription required) lists some other areas where Sonnen may have a hard time:
It is also possible even if he does return to UFC, the felony conviction could keep him away from fighting on shows in Canada, which has not let performers into the country at times with felonies, most notably Jim Cornette, who was denied entry in recent months off an assault conviction in the 80s (Cornette had performed and worked regularly in Canada for decades without it ever coming up) and Ron Killings (R-Truth).
Chael Sonnen is something else. It's ironic that the utterly postmodern view of the truth as a fungible asset that can be manipulated at will that made him such a compelling fight promoter ("This guy will say anything!') has now caused him to be entangled so deeply in a web of deceit that now he can't even be allowed to fight in a cage.
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Good Post
I might be in the minority, but I am unsure whether I should applaud the UFC for suspending Sonnen or wag my finger at them for not putting him on the sidelines sooner.
Wait wait wait ... I didn't think Sonnen was suspended
I thought his current contract was “frozen”. IE Sonnen takes the time off he needs to sort things out, but his contract won’t expire due to whatever time limit may be in the terms and conditions of the contract. When Sonnen comes back, his contract resumes.
Exactly
I think this is an administrative move on the part of the UFC to protect their interests…nothing more and nothing less…
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by The American Ronin on Jan 7, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed. I don’t see how Heavy.com can interpret this as the UFC cracking down on “unethical behaviour”. If that was the case, Dana White of all people would not have come out with such a soft statement and they would’ve suspended or even (temporarily) cut Sonnen. To me this proves the exact opposite, that they are maneuvering to keep Sonnen who they must consider a valuable asset now, all the while giving a vague impression of distancing themselves (and that is not even a priority).
To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.
You don't see how Heavy.com, a notorious UFC shill
can paint this as a rosy picture for the UFC?
You’re kidding.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 7, 2011 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t read that site at all. I just know it from quotes on BE and didn’t realize anything “off” about those so far. They’re the inofficial fanclub then, is what you’re saying?
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Yes
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 7, 2011 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
Mixed definitions
When we think suspension in MMA, we think medical or disciplinary reasons. In Sonnen’s case with the UFC (as opposted to the CSAC) it’s neither.
Is he suspended or is his contract just frozen? White never uses the word suspension. Original TMZ Sports quote from White:
But White isn’t turning his back on one of his most famous fighters — Dana tells us, “Chael Sonnen has gone through a lot in the last few months and we think it’s important for him to focus on getting his personal life together before focusing on his career in the UFC.”
White adds, “I spoke with Chael earlier today and he agrees that setting priorities in his life is the best thing for him right now. I sincerely hope Chael is able to straighten out his personal life.”
The media has used the word “suspended” but has the UFC officially labeled it as such?
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Thats one way to look at it
I think their is a difference between suspending a independent contractor or freezing his contract
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Freezing it stops the clock ticking for as many days as its frozen so zuffa doesn’t end up unable to fulfill their end.
I really think this is simply an administrative/legal move only, done specifically for that reason.
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by The American Ronin on Jan 7, 2011 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
and why wouldn’t they freeze while they suspended him?
A suspension without a freeze punishes zuffa, if that was their procedure Couture would have money laundered his way into Affliction a few years ago.
A freeze
effectively suspends him as well.
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by The American Ronin on Jan 7, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
The difference is, Sonnen can come back anytime he wants to
Not when UFC says he can. sonnen must know he has a LOT of crap to sort out right now.
By that logic every fighter is suspended in between their UFC fights
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There's a difference
Sonnen’s contract has a running clock, if he was suspended, the clock would keep going. Now that it’s frozen, it’s on a timeout.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 7, 2011 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
Could it be that the Fertittas and their gambling business want to distance themselves from a money launderer until they can ensure there won’t be any investigation into them? I know the UFC is separate but that can’t look good and has been an excuse as to why they are particular about bringing in partners in the past.
i looked at that angle
but it’s such a stretch. it’s not like he’ll be in the back room counting money.
the fighters are about as involved in the business operations as the ring girls and Joe Rogan.
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The only take on that angle I can see working
is that they’re afraid of a fighter throwing a fight. In Sonnen, we have someone who doesn’t care about the truth and is willing to break the law to make money. There were rumors about Kimbo vs Petruzelli being a dive for offshore betting. Imagine all the conspiracies that people might entertain if Sonnen suddenly lost a fight at the last minute… oh wait.
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by Cory Braiterman on Jan 7, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
lol
that’s a great point. but fuck if they want to overturn that rock they’d look into how much betting is entertwined with MMA.
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yea, no shit
One of my big fears for MMA is that a fixed fight scandal will set the sport back years. That, more than PED’s or the Warmachines, the Brownings even the Rampages and Sonnens of the world will hurt the sport more than anything vs one random fuckup.
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by Cory Braiterman on Jan 7, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly
that is the sort of shock that could wreck the UFC if not MMA…
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by The American Ronin on Jan 7, 2011 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
And it only takes like two people to set it up. Of all the hundreds of fights per year, it’s not exactly unthinkable that it could actually happen.
by Horselover Fat on Jan 7, 2011 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
I completely agree and it is my biggest fear for the sport, particularly as the betting on MMA gets bigger, making it easier to hide a shady bet on said fight.
Unlike the highest levels of boxing, for all but a few MMA fighters the money is not so great that it makes it all but impossible.
Not to mention if it did happen it would probably be a blackmail type scenario rather than just between two fighters…
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by The American Ronin on Jan 7, 2011 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
Those are good points as well. I haven’t given it too much thought earlier, but now that you mentioned it I can definitely see why that would be a concern. There’s not really not much that can be done to prevent it either, except maybe raise fighter payment in general. We’ll just have to keep our fingers crossed I guess.
by Horselover Fat on Jan 7, 2011 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
I think we're here to stay
The climate of our sport and the sport in japan just don’t feel the same and I don’t think some run of the mill scandal can knock us down.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 7, 2011 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
besides a major fight fixing scandal anyway
that would chase even us away
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 7, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
Between...
The conviction and guilty plea, the PED suspension, the bald-faced lying disguised as hype and attempting to throw Kizer under the bus, I think it’s a fairly safe assumption that White and the Fertittas were getting a lot of heat on them from various spots to do something about Sonnen. Some of it amongst themselves even.
Don’t know if its along the lines of “we have to appear more legitimate”, but certainly “wtf are we gonna do about this guy? This is getting ridiculous.”
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by ChrisUSA on Jan 7, 2011 2:00 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I'm still betting on some conspiracy involving
the croation puppy chick or perhaps voodoo demon gods with the whole twitter Ed Soras thing being an affront to keep us off his trail.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 7, 2011 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
This is just wild speculation
But, as Sonnen’s employer, and one who frequently gives out noncontracted, unpublicized, cash bonuses, could it also be that the UFC is trying to avoid any collateral financial scrutiny that might come from its association with Sonnen? Especially if they were to give him a big payday in the next couple of months.
Beyond that, and this may be one step below conspiracy theorizing, but for a businessman of Sonnen’s type, it would not be surprising if he’s made or tried to make deals with other fighters or fight game people, deals that will now attract extra interest from the government. I don’t know, I’m probably way off base but interesting to think about.
by Trust Doesn't Rust on Jan 7, 2011 2:11 PM EST reply actions
I’m inclined to go with Tomas Rios’ viewpoint.
The suspension was far from a punishment of any kind. Dana White more or less had a conversation with Sonnen and said,
“Listen, you’re a f*cking fighter, a tough kid. Just sort out all of this legal bullsh*t and you will definitely have a job. I need this rematch with Silva. So publicly, I got to sound like I’m distancing myself from you.”
Excuse my emotional, reactionary, fanatic output but Pettis will be the next UFC lightweight champion. Period.
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It is the more cynical view...
but its one I also see as most likely accurate with what is really going on behind the charade of words.
I agree with this
and there is nothing wrong with it.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 7, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
Yep. And in addition to the felony conviction, there’s also the steroids suspension and racist comments and whatnot to back it up. If those things hadn’t already been there, maybe nothing would have come from this money laundering thing. But all together, it’s understandable they felt they had to do something (if only for appearances sake).
by Horselover Fat on Jan 7, 2011 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
Racist Comments?
That was some spanish guy. What are you talking about.
Excuse my emotional, reactionary, fanatic output but Pettis will be the next UFC lightweight champion. Period.
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by VeeisAnimated on Jan 7, 2011 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
I think it's appropriate to "freeze" his contract while he awaits sentencing.
BUT….
If Michael Vick can go back to work after serving time, why can’t Chael Sonnen fight after receiving a sentence of probation?
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by nostraboris on Jan 7, 2011 2:23 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
because he's a jerk on twitter
and he fake tapped. duh
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 7, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
But why can't people understand sarcasm?
And will a rhetorical question ever be posted on BE without somebody giving an answer?
Probably not. What is this world coming to?
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by Day Man on Jan 8, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You mean if he serves his sentence and becomes a repentant, humbled human being who dedicates some of his time to speaking out publicly against his past wrongdoings?
Then sure, he can fight again.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 7, 2011 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
Not in the league
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 7, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
If you're gonna disagree with me just to disagree with me
at least check yo facts SON
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 7, 2011 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
He was also immediately given 2nd and 3rd chances – his release by the Cowboys was because he wasn’t performing athletically they way they hoped
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puleeze
should he go to real estate fraud rehab? Start a foundation to educate on steroid use?
I think there is enough insincere lip service in the world, let him FIGHT.
..!..
with one stipulation
that the fight should be against Brock Lesnar…or he opt out of his UFC contract.
Who's the only one here who knows illegal ninja moves from the government?
Its amazing how much the public is swayed by the public apology/humbled speech/visible community service trifecta crafted by PR people and agents/managers
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No reason he can't...and he will...
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by The American Ronin on Jan 7, 2011 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
The only reason they suspended Chael Sonnen was a desperate last ditch attempt
to stem the maelstrom of SC Michaelson. It will fail.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 7, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
Can't take a little harmless ribbing?
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 7, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
Ain't about "can't take"
You’re obsessed, but it’s ok. It’s endearing. Like an online puppy.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 7, 2011 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
I already done told you I love you
ebony and ivory baby.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 7, 2011 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
The inability to cross international borders
always struck me as the biggest penalty associated with the commission of major crimes.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
At least he lives in a big country ;)
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I live in a bigger country.
I still think it’s a big deal.
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I was kidding, of course. Grain of truth though: better to not be able to leave the US than sayyyyyy Dubai. ;)
To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.
Something I feel makes it different.
When you compare the ‘usual’ stuff that UFC fighters might get into (assault, domestic unrest, DUI, roids) to Chael Sonnen… I think the most obvious difference is that it’s mostly things stupid people do compared to willingly and knowingly breaking the law in persuit of money or influence.
The UFC as a sports promoter can get away with people that display bad social behaviour… the UFC ZUFFA as a big business however is vulnerable to accusations of or associations with corruption, dishonest business and maybe even (unlawful) political unfluence. This is especially true when you think that next to ‘the terrorists’ the most hated group of people at this time is corrupt and/or dishonest businesses and businessmen that are supposed to have caused the economic shitstorm we live in.
ps: its just a thought, im not completely aware of all crimes commited by fighters
I think the most obvious difference is that it’s mostly things stupid people do compared to willingly and knowingly breaking the lawin persuit of money or influence.to get a real estate commission…
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by The American Ronin on Jan 7, 2011 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
so your saying good thing they suspended Sonnen?
Or did I miss the point entirely
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by II SMASH II on Jan 7, 2011 2:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I think it's a fig leaf
but one they had to do.
Personally I could give a shit. I’m all for letting white collar criminals cage fight.
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Exactly my thoughts
If its a violent crime, its a different issue entirely in my opinion.
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by Austin Martin on Jan 7, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
ah ok.
I agree on all points then
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by II SMASH II on Jan 7, 2011 3:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Jesus
Love that pic of Chael. He looks like a monster trying to kill Anderson.
by RobSchneider'sSuccessfulTwin on Jan 7, 2011 2:54 PM EST reply actions
he certainly will go down as one of tthe more intriguing characters. In the end I think the UFC will consider themselves lucky to have had him. Right now it seems like Chael needs to find a happy medium between lying/fraud/cheating, and building up his fights so we can all be entertained by his sick wrestling and one of a kind trash talk.
I’m inclined to applaud the UFC and Dana on the judgment call they made.
My take: This is almost an acknowledgement that the UFC made bad judgment calls in the past, and without setting a term for a suspension they are placing the importance on the fighter’s wellbeing. They aren’t cutting Chael because of his legal issue, instead issuing a “suspension” of sorts.
My major issue is with Rios. Does he even make a point in his diatribe or just merely try to slight the organization in any way possible? What Chael has done is completely different from a lot of the other examples being used because it was not violent in any way. That is why he shouldn’t have a termed suspension and should just sit out until his matters are away from the public spotlight. This situation would probably be handled the same way in most businesses and organizations- for example, if a police officer is caught in the midst of something illegal, but not career-ending or violent towards others, he will most likely get an indefinite suspension until the issue is out of the public spotlight. This is the exact same thing!!
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I guess the sign of having arrived
is having to deal with the critiques of idiots who don’t even read your work
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by Austin Martin on Jan 7, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
Very Scary Thought
is it possible…. that the Sonnen we’ve come to know over the last year was him trying to fly under the radar? And once his legal issues are resolved, there will be nothing holding him back from really getting started on the trash talking and ridiculous comments?
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Inveterate liar
This guy is a liability for any organization he’s in. He turns into turd anything he touches, or anything he says. His comment about Armstrong? Oh, and then he denies it – and gets caught lying. And then HE uses steroids! And then he LIES about it – and gets caught lying! And then he involves Keith Kizer – and gets caught lying AGAIN!
And then, of course, he does some crimes on the side, for good measure. His Tweets are only icing on the cake, and some south-american is one day going to exact a bit of payback for them. Wait for it Chael, it’s coming, believe it.

Cycling is notorious for doping and cheating and one guy comes out and completely dominates a sport where the production is nearly 100% based on pushing the human body to its physical limits – you can think Armstrong is a great guy but acting like its crazy to say he was cheating is just burying your head in the sand.
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but Sonnen's comments
about Armstrong are just hilarious in light of his own response to getting caught cheating:
“Lance Armstrong did a number of things and he gave himself cancer,” Sonnen said on Pro MMA Radio, as transcribed by MMA Mania. “He cheated, he did drugs, and he gave himself cancer. Well, instead of saying ‘Hey listen, I cheated and gave myself cancer, don’t be like me,’ he actually made himself the victim and then went out and profited something like $15 million from this ‘Hey, poor me, let’s find a cure for cancer’ campaign instead of just coming clean and saying, ‘Look, here’s what I did, I screwed myself up, and I hope people learn from my mistakes.’”
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by Nate Wilcox on Jan 8, 2011 10:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
PR Buffer
It’s easy to suspend someone. Just don’t call them for any fights.
i hope this creep never comes back. i really think this guy is a borderline sociopath
too many of his comments have made me uncomfortable and have made me think he is racist. the ufc doesn’t need him. sure, his xenophobic, racist comments will put some asses into seats, but this sport is still growing and does not need blemishes on its face as it continues to try and get more legitimacy.
i hope dana doesn’t think that people will just forget about his inappropriate comments and actions if he is out of the UFC for a few months. i know i won’t.
good riddance….
by phantom5691 on Jan 8, 2011 10:05 AM EST reply actions 1 recs

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