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A Sonnenite Counter-Insurgency Or An Odd Coincidence, A Look at Message Board Behaviors

As reported yesterday, Chael Sonnen pleaded guilty money laundering charges. This news broke late last night around 8ish pm EST. Once that broke, a funny thing started occurring. Threads started to be created on various MMA message boards such as the once-great (but now overrun by tenors and tro11s) Underground and the never-great Sherdog accusing Anderson Silva of several different types of cheating. 

One such thread alleged that Anderson Silva could be on Steroids or HGH because of pencaps syringes shown while Silva was giving a reporter a tour of his house. 

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They state that when blown up, the boxes with the red arrows pointing to them are these:

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Star-divide

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According to the manufacturer's website, Novofine 31 G pencaps are used to inject the body with insulin or hormones . These pen caps are used in conjunction with the devices in the 3rd picture which would be used to house the substance. So it is quite likely Anderson or someone in his family has diabetes, but there is no way of knowing what the use of the pencaps are for. 

Another thread alleges that a supplement found on his kitchen counter is ILLEGAL. 

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Posters state that a bottle on the counter is the above brand supplement "T-Bomb II". Now it's not easy to make out the bottle even when blowing the picture up, but they o look similar. So let's assume they are and Silva uses T-Bomb II. T-bomb II is a supplement with the active ingredient Tribulus based from the plant tribulus terrestris. Now, this is not a steroid or a prohormone, in fact, it has been used primarily as an, ahem, sex drive booster. These types of products do not add testosterone to the body, nor do they chemically alter the body's production of testosterone. Also, considering no man has his vitamins and supplements all stacked neat with the labels all facing front, one can guess that this was product placement. 

Also, a bottle of Taraxatone is alleged to be seen in this picture. 

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Yes, Taxaratone IS a diuretic, but it is not illegal and it is not banned. Not by the NFL, not by the Olympics. In fact, it is listed as an approved supplement by many organizations. There are also foods that are considered weak natural diuertics like fennel, asparagus, cabbage, and green tea.

Personally, I find the coincidence quite odd that these th reads are all popping up at the same time that the Sonnen news came out. There's enough misinformation to muddy the waters and distract from the bigger issue. 

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I once saw a man in a pink sweater and earrings selling these supplements out of the trunk of a Lexus in Chael’s hood. Don’t know what ended up happening to that guy…..

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by Earl Montclair on Jan 5, 2011 10:35 PM EST reply actions  

Was he, by chance

some Mexican guy?

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by ElliotMatheny on Jan 5, 2011 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, I don't want to assume BUT the Lexus looked similar to this one

Milford Sound in New Zealand

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by Earl Montclair on Jan 5, 2011 11:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Better than getting your maleness enhanced by this dude.

Milford Sound in New Zealand

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by Earl Montclair on Jan 5, 2011 10:45 PM EST reply actions  

"Hey, buddy.....buddy buddy buddy."

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by RolloTomasi on Jan 5, 2011 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

ELLIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ARE YOU THERE!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!!!!!!!!!?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

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by Earl Montclair on Jan 5, 2011 11:47 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

mma fans really are the craziest fans ever

i mean, look at sherdog on a daily basis. in any other sport is anything like this a story or would people even notice this shit? plus we got u S.C. for better or for worse u do add something unique…..

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by milk72 on Jan 6, 2011 12:47 AM EST reply actions  

until he pisses dirty he’s in the clear

yo no quiero hacer mas nada

by Orcus on Jan 6, 2011 4:32 AM EST reply actions  

who?

Silva or S.C.?

:-)

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by rohedron on Jan 8, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

You need to read

Try again.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 6, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

You too need to read

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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 6, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

The original guy who made the thread on Sherdog is an admitted Sonnen fan

The rest of the people going rabid about this are also Sonnen fans. It also popped up right when Sonnen got in trouble. It’s not a coincidence.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 6, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Nope, not saying that.

The timing and the fabidness is what I’m attributing.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 6, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not about "how much coverage Sonnen has gotten"

It’s about people trying to muddy the waters with bad information.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 6, 2011 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

What bad information? There are needles in his closet. Ok? Big deal. Why are you posting this crap here instead of keeping it where it belongs on the shitty forums that you “troll”? (Your word, not mine)

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by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Jan 6, 2011 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

The "illegal" supplements

Did you read the whole last 2/3rds of the fanpost? You have one piece of slight probable cause and the rest is baseless and incorrect info and it’s muddying the waters.

Where did I write I “troll” forums? I have less than 200 posts on Sherdog in a couple years and they’re almost all to pimp my stuff.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 6, 2011 7:54 PM EST up reply actions  

The “supplements” are only muddying the waters for morons. No supplement is going to do much of anything. The T-Bomb bottle doesn’t even look like the bottle on Anderson’s counter. Anybody could see that. Like I said, the needles are all that really matter. Still, it’s anybody’s guess what they’re for. They could be for one of his kids for all we now. People can still speculate though. There’s nothing wrong with that, and that isn’t “muddying the water.” Maybe there’s something here, maybe there isn’t. I don’t care either way personally.

I was referring to your repeated use of the word “troll.” It seems to be one of your favorite words. I don’t use it unless I’m talking to you.

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by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Jan 6, 2011 8:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Not really. An illegal supplement is an illegal supplement

Cheating is cheating, no matter to what degree. And if Silva has illegal supplements in his house, he will be labeled a cheater. The supplements aren’t illegal, but the insinuation that they are is muddying the waters.

If I’m such a troll, then why don’t you just not respond. That’s usually how to kill off a troll. Don’t respond.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 6, 2011 8:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you consider Karo Parisyan and Nick Diaz to have cheated as badly as Chael and Josh Barnett?

I watched the video on Monday, but I didn’t even know about the needles until you made this fanpost. You’re not doing your boy, Anderson, any favors if you’re worried about people’s perception of him. Now, I’m more likely to think he’s using.

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by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Jan 6, 2011 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Cheating is cheating

As for “doing Anderson favors”, that’s not what I’m trying to do. You don’t write things to “protect” certain fighters/orgs. That’s what’s wrong with MMA Media right now. Everyone wants to protect their friendns.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 6, 2011 9:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Quick

Someone post the gif of Anderson rubbing his body with vaseline off his face unto his body before the Leites fight!

by Menime on Jan 7, 2011 12:11 AM EST up reply actions  

And he was toweled off.

And I personally don’t think he was trying to get an advantage seeing as how he did it in front of 15K people and several cameras.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 7, 2011 12:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Show me a gif where he is gettin "toweled off"

and ye for sure Anderson just did that because he likes the way vaseline feels on his body…………-.-

by Menime on Jan 7, 2011 8:07 PM EST up reply actions  

There is no gif

Thales Leites and others pointed it out to the commission and he was toweled off.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 7, 2011 9:30 PM EST up reply actions  

He was doing that on purpose

Why? Anderson was in full on fruitbat mode that night. Who knows.

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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 7, 2011 9:12 AM EST up reply actions  

The timing doent matter in my opinion..

Regardless if the timing has any significance doesn’t really matter..

It still seems to be an attempt by Sonnen supporters to “dirty” Anderson to make their guy look less guilty or Anderson suspect.
 

by Niklas_H on Jan 6, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I agree with him....

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by Hell_Bent on Jan 6, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for not subscribing to C.A.B.L.E.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 6, 2011 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

What is cable?

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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 6, 2011 9:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Cock At Black Lesnars Everyday

Crackers And Black Lesnar = Enemies
C’mon Anti Black Lesnar Even?

by Brandon Starr on Jan 7, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

It's caucasian anti black lesnar effect

which is why he won’t define that dumb racist shit even though he has been asked by BE staff what it means.

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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 7, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually it isn't.

It has nothing to do with race

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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 7, 2011 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

so what it is?

I am glad to hear it’s not race oriented, though with you that is hard to believe since you’ve developed quite the reputation as a nascar fishhook-armer.

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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 7, 2011 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Commentors Against Black Lesnar’s Excrement?

If you don't like the effect, don't produce the cause.

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by Kneeeeee on Jan 8, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

No, don't eat a B. L. T!

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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 8, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Tangent

To be fair, the UG is filled with trolls of the 2005, 2001, and 2007 variety as well. After all, is there a more trollish statement than “STFU, tenor n00b.”

BOOSH

by Farthammer on Jan 6, 2011 9:44 AM EST reply actions  

This has what to do with Sonnen??

you’re feeding those trolls by taking the time to actually give their arguments (pretty awful ones in this case) merits. Anderson never pissed dirty so no reason to think other wise.

by Riley_96 on Jan 6, 2011 10:36 AM EST reply actions  

"you need to read"

Don’t worry SC, I gotch you homie.

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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 6, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

This isn't a conspiracy OR a coincidence

this is simple crowd behavior. people move in clusters and groups. Somebody notices something while watching TV, mentions it, a few join in… All of a sudden you have a sticky idea and it snowballs, picking up people as it rolls.

The idea that there is “video evidence of Silva being on steroids” is just too compelling to go unnoticed.

PLEASE TRY TO IGNORE THE IDIOTS.

by judonerd on Jan 6, 2011 11:06 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

What bigger issue?

Assuming you’re right, and this is some sort of concerted effort to distract people from some bigger issue, what is that issue?

Incidentally, I don’t think any of the items in those shots actually look like the items cited. The labels designs all differ significantly. But that’s neither here nor there. What matters is your central point:

What bigger issue?

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jan 6, 2011 12:37 PM EST reply actions  

Not really distract

But to soften the blow of the Chael issue. “Oh look at Anderson Silva, he cheats. Chael isn’t that bad.”

Same thing happened when Chael first failed. People had all the excuses and distractions in the world. Look at the spin put after his hearing.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 6, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I really want to know how much the UFC budgets on “alternative marketing” (read: paid posting) and if this is part of it.

by destructivist on Jan 6, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm positive there is alternative marketing like this

and that one Cain video that was “made by a fan” except the Youtube account was new and hasn’t been used since and had angles on his fight that hadn’t been released.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 6, 2011 6:19 PM EST up reply actions  

what blow? the money laundering? for most who dislike him its just another barb to use. If this was thrown out there during his whole roid thing, then yeah you might be on to something. In this case its just a matter of people seeing a few things and going out of control with it.

by Riley_96 on Jan 6, 2011 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

The fact that he's now a felon is quite a blow to his rep

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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 6, 2011 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

You're right, I mean "should be a blow"

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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 6, 2011 7:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Sonnen's fresh out of rep points

how much lower can it get?

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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 6, 2011 8:33 PM EST up reply actions  

hes a cage fighter. he has fans due to his cage fighting/ personality. The same way anderson has fans. Granted anderson has come off as a jackass a fe times and people shit on him for it, but anderson is well liked due to the skill he has. Sonnen was first liked/hated for the sit he was saying but when he backed it up, the fans started to respect him for skill as well.

Very few fans care about what happens outside the cage and ever fewer (casuals) will ever hear or care about it.

by Riley_96 on Jan 7, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I literally do not care that he's a felon.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jan 7, 2011 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Didn’t his Cribs video come out a little before Chael’s sentencing was released. That could help explain the coincidence.

I should have satyed out of Cain’s strawberry patch.

by donkeypunch on Jan 6, 2011 2:27 PM EST reply actions  

Jesse James didn’t cheat on his wife! It was set up by BP to get people to quit talking about the spill!!!! BELIEVE!

It's official. Les Miles DOES NOT have a deal with the devil. He beat him Nov. 6th, 24-21.
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by DayGeaux on Jan 6, 2011 2:29 PM EST reply actions  

"Tribulus" is not the active compound.

This is like saying “orange juice” is the active ingredient in orange juice. The plant is Tribulus terrestris, while the active compound in the plant is known as, ‘protodioscin.’

As for its physiological effect, you are more or less right. That said, it is widely held that TT increases testosterone, a belief arising from similar results in animal models. The overwhelming majority of individuals take TT under this mistaken assumption.

All-in-all, however, physiology and sports exercise trials in humans have revealed little in the way of efficacy.

by Disco-Platypus on Jan 6, 2011 3:37 PM EST reply actions  

So that's where he keeps the sugar.

Yeah...protect you thumb...it's the only thing that differentiates you from the monkey...

by dancingChicken on Jan 6, 2011 4:32 PM EST reply actions  

Sugar, eh?

But he told Paula he doesn’t like sweets. Capital Hill, here we come.

"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen

by Charles Awad on Jan 6, 2011 5:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Your sig tells me you're plotting against Anderson Silva

and that you’re probably a YMCA/WASP with disingenuous motives.

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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 6, 2011 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually

I work for Matt Hughes, and I’m tasked with eliminating all of them.

"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen

by Charles Awad on Jan 6, 2011 7:20 PM EST up reply actions  

The plainer explanation,

is that people’s natural skepticism regarding athletes and PED’s has arisen in this case. I know, the most obvious answers are often the least scintillating to write blog posts about. Bear with me, though.

Given that most people shriek “PED!” at the sight of an enlarged bicep, it seems logical that some would follow suit when they see an actual instrument used to inject PEDs at an athlete’s house. Why does this reaction need to be couched in a, “Sonnenite counter-insurgency,” whatever the fuck that means?

by Disco-Platypus on Jan 6, 2011 6:51 PM EST reply actions  

shhhh this doesn't fit into his world view

where Silva’s only critics are racists and Sonnen’s only fans are racists. Nor does it fit into his “agent provocateur” persona.

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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 6, 2011 6:55 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Weren't you warned to get off my dick a while ago?

WHy do you continue to walk down that path?

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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 6, 2011 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Hi SC

What does cable mean?

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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 6, 2011 7:02 PM EST up reply actions  

It's a complusion

Dude walks the line more than Cash.

But I want to know what CABLE is too.

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by Chris Barton on Jan 6, 2011 7:05 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I don't see what line im walking

and no one would actually disagree with what I said would they? Forget it, everyone knows SC’s deal, no need to even discuss it really. But what does CABLE mean? Chael/Anti Black Lesnar EmCee’s?

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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 6, 2011 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Caucasian Anti Black Lesnar Effect?

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by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Jan 6, 2011 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Anyone with sense (which I assume you also have) would disagree because it's not true

And that’s why you wouldn’t want to discuss it.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 6, 2011 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t see what line im walking

I’m POSITIVE this is true, which is why you keep getting in trouble.

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by Chris Barton on Jan 7, 2011 12:10 AM EST up reply actions  

If I walk the line SC

says fuck no god damnit lines and gangstaleans over it every day of the week.

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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 7, 2011 9:10 AM EST up reply actions  

He does

But he is a site editor, and like all SBNation staff he doesn’t have to play by the same rules.

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by Chris Barton on Jan 7, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

yea I figured

No one else would be allowed to flaunt their racism in everyone’s faces.

Like I was saying SC and you flat out denied to me, the reason you’re even here at all is your role with SBnation.

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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 7, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

1. He’s fucking incorrect

2. I don’t “flaunt racism”. To flaunt it, I would have to possess it.

3. Like I was saying, Barton doesn’t know shit and I can prove it to you, but that would require posting personal emails.

I want Barton to come back and explain this bullshit he just said and where he got that from. Certainly wasn’t from anyone in any position of power. That’s some bullshit he made up in his head. Be for real.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 7, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

2. I don’t "flaunt racism". To flaunt it, I would have to possess it.

LOL.

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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 7, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh that's some bullshit right there.

Don’t be saying that bullshit because it’s not true. I get chastised just as much, if not more than, any other poster here. Kid Nate chews me out all the time, I get warnings, I’ve been banned. GTFOH with that bullshit. Some irresponsible shit right there.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 7, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Dude

Clearly I am curious about CABLE too, but do not troll his posts asking like this.

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by Chris Barton on Jan 7, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Is asking trolling?

all I am doing is asking?

I hear it means “caucasian anti black lesnar” effect. Which would make sense for SC Michaelson’s routine. Oh well, I’m steppin’ off this issue before it causes me some more drama.

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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 7, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL @ "hear"

Fool, ain’t no one talking to you.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 7, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

What's cable mean

Don’t be scared homie.

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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 7, 2011 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

An "as"? LOL

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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 7, 2011 9:30 PM EST up reply actions  

;)

gotta lay low, Barton is snoopin around

by Menime on Jan 7, 2011 10:06 PM EST up reply actions  

well played

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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 7, 2011 10:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Honestly

I think you’re playing this angle to keep your “rep”. But the conversation you’re asking for isn’t suitable for the comments area. Feel free to e-mail me.

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by Chris Barton on Jan 7, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

What rep? I think you should have a conversation with the people you think give me the greenlight.

You put it in public, not me. What you’ve done is feed to the whiners who’ve been crying that since forever.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 7, 2011 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Dude

Staff doesn’t play by the same rules. That’s not even a discussion. It’s posted as often as possible.

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by Chris Barton on Jan 7, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

BE staff doesn't have to play by the same rules

I’m not BE staff. Being a site editor on another site doesn’t give you carte blanche on other sites. II can’t go to HKL or GG2MMA and start going ‘ham. Otherwise, I wouldn’t be banned on Mania for weak stuff. You have your policies confused. You’re a mod, you can see my history. And what you can’t see, can be seen in my inbox.

I have to play by the same rules as the other established posters here. Most of the EPs have greater elasticity only difference is I like to test the waters more. If i stop writing for SBNation, I’ll be the same poster with the same guidelines. Focus on moderation duties and not misinterpreted politics.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 7, 2011 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea

you’re not right.

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by Chris Barton on Jan 7, 2011 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Whatever you say dude

1. You’re incorrect

2. If you were correct and if you were such a stickler for rules and procedure, you’d know that one of the first is not discussing BTS stuff publicly.

3. If you are correct, then I’ve been being nice for no reason as i now know I have carte blanche.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 7, 2011 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

You being "nice"

is still extreme by most standards.

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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 7, 2011 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

1. Still no

2. I asked you to e-mail me. Saying staff doesn’t have to play by the same rules ISN’T a “don’t discuss publicly” thing. It’s a “remind every chance you get” thing.

3. Nobody has carte blanche. “Not the same rules” =/= “no rules”

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by Chris Barton on Jan 7, 2011 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Can't put a bullet back into the chamber

I don’t want to email you because your comments did nothing but fuel to fire in people like Beiber. BE staff not playing by the same rules is public knowledge. I’m not BE staff.

You’re still incorrect. There is no rule about staff from other SBNation sites getting a bigger leash on BE. Where did you hear that? Did the editors of the site tell you? BE staff members get a bigger leash because this is their house. I know of at least 3 site editors who have been banned/severely warned while posting on BE.

You should clarify before you say things that can’will get interpreted incorrect/twisted.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 7, 2011 6:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Seriously though

I was told not to mess with dude because he was inches away from another ban. He doesn’t listen. I’m trying to be a team player here.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 6, 2011 7:49 PM EST up reply actions  

oh be nice

we cool dude, we cool. I felt like our adventure over at mania was a bonding experience. I,….love you SC. What does cable mean dude? Serious question.

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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 6, 2011 8:32 PM EST up reply actions  

That's why I said OR Odd Coincidence

I think it’s a mix of both with the rabidness coming from anti-Anderson, pro-Chael fans.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 6, 2011 6:59 PM EST up reply actions  

a lot of people are anti anderson because he speaks like this guy whos floating around in the clouds with budda “i am not the best only a man” yet acts like a dick in the middle of a fight and then tries to reason why he ran for three rounds. Thats why a great deal of people are anti anderson. Second is the fact he is the best. look at the top of every division. GSP gets shit on all the time. The rest have not held the belt long enough to get shit on yet. Give cain frankie and shogun enough time with the belt and slowly people will start rooting against them.

People root for underdogs after a champ has held the belt for so long

by Riley_96 on Jan 7, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

For the record, I am sure Anderson is shooting up stuff he shouldn't be

but so do most athletes and fighters. My opinion of him changes none. Once the greatest fighter in UFC history, always.

Chael is a guy I have a love/hate fan relationship with. Right now I’m not too high on him. I fully expect a story about him and drowning hundreds of puppies to emerge before Spring at this point.

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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 6, 2011 7:14 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

You're sure?

If you are “sure” that every high level athlete is “shooting up stuff [they] shouldn’t be” then you are a moron.

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by Neil Manich on Jan 6, 2011 8:03 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

He said “most athletes and fighters,” and I agree with him. Pro athletes and fighters specifically.

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by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Jan 6, 2011 8:06 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

It's cute when people misread a simple sentence and call moron in the same breath

and if you’re still naive enough to believe most pro athletes with top dollar training regimens aren’t shooting up all kinds of legal, illegal and semi-legal stuff then that word better suits you and not I.

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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 6, 2011 8:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Not sure how I mis-read this

“For the record, I am sure Anderson is shooting up stuff he shouldn’t be”

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by Neil Manich on Jan 6, 2011 8:13 PM EST up reply actions  

The word every
If you are "sure" that every high level athlete is "shooting up stuff [they] shouldn’t be" then you are a moron.

I guess you should have replaced “every high level athlete” with “Anderson” then.

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by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Jan 6, 2011 8:34 PM EST up reply actions  

"For the record, I am sure Anderson is shooting up stuff he shouldn’t be"

=/=

If you are "sure" that every high level athlete is "shooting up stuff [they] shouldn’t be" then you are a moron.

You were already corrected on this. Be friendly. Don’t call people morons. You don’t agree that the majority of sports athletes are doing everything they can to get ahead? When getting caught is rather difficult if you go about it smart, when the difference could mean millions of dollars, and when the consequences are definitely worth the risk? If you do, that’s cool, and I’d love to discuss it with you, but preferably without childish insults. Can we manage that bro?

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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 6, 2011 8:30 PM EST reply actions  

My quote there was me assuming at your intentions, and apparently I assumed wrong. My guess was that you were certain of Anderson’s guilt simply because he was a high level athlete. You’ve since corrected me there, but you still left it unclear as to how you can be “sure” Anderson is doping.

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by Neil Manich on Jan 6, 2011 8:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Pure Cynicism. Or perhaps it’s better described as realism. He’s been seen with hormone needles in his house. I am sure there could be a logical, innocuous explanation, but while I believe I was born at night, it wasn’t last night, nor was it the night previous. Further, many MMA fighters have come out and said 80% of the sport is on something. I believe it. No reason not too other than notions like “people deserve the benefit of the doubt”. I kind of view that as happy-go-lucky naivety. I don’t really think anything less of fighters or athletes who use stuff anyway, considering how common it likely is. Just my opinion.

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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 6, 2011 8:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I have found that most people are surprised to hear that Arnold Schwarzenegger used steroids. Naivety is right.

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by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Jan 6, 2011 9:08 PM EST up reply actions  

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by Chris Barton on Jan 7, 2011 7:20 PM EST reply actions  

Watching the nerd fights in this post has been great

'cause the heart that betrays itself willingly, Is like a nation that trades freedom for stability, its so seductive to be cold and corrupted and isolated and try to be an independent republic, But liberty to be loved on the surface is worthless, The sacrifice of revolution with no purpose

by ImmortalTechnique92 on Jan 7, 2011 7:37 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

agree.

ALthough its funnt cuz you a big time nerd as well.

by Menime on Jan 7, 2011 8:25 PM EST up reply actions  

trollin ey?

'cause the heart that betrays itself willingly, Is like a nation that trades freedom for stability, its so seductive to be cold and corrupted and isolated and try to be an independent republic, But liberty to be loved on the surface is worthless, The sacrifice of revolution with no purpose

by ImmortalTechnique92 on Jan 7, 2011 8:54 PM EST up reply actions  

yea you aint a nerd

we believe you home slice

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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 7, 2011 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

LOUL @ nerd

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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 7, 2011 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Only nerds use computers

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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 7, 2011 11:08 PM EST up reply actions  

haha im just messin but you guys did seem really legit pissed. Hope you work it out

'cause the heart that betrays itself willingly, Is like a nation that trades freedom for stability, its so seductive to be cold and corrupted and isolated and try to be an independent republic, But liberty to be loved on the surface is worthless, The sacrifice of revolution with no purpose

by ImmortalTechnique92 on Jan 8, 2011 3:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Nah man

I love SC. We don’t agree all the time and because of our personalities, when we don’t it can look uglyish. Mostly because I know I don’t take shit serious and I don’t think he does either, I assume he feels the same about me.

And, Urijah has grown on me.

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by Chris Barton on Jan 8, 2011 4:13 AM EST up reply actions  

it's like a fungus tbh

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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 8, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I would say

but glass houses…

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by Chris Barton on Jan 8, 2011 4:11 AM EST up reply actions  

The UFC vs Marvel post gave me

Multiple Nerdgasms.

"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."

by Shotokanman on Jan 8, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

That seemed more internerd gangsta than nerd

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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 8, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Nah man that was straight up Nerd from bolivia, no stomping at all.

My face went numb from that shit. Still waiting on Shogun’s revenge…

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by Shotokanman on Jan 8, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Machida on a dragon is a hellava drug

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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 8, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

whoooops

i mean internet:(:(

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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 8, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

eh hmmm action figures…just saying

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