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Phil Baroni Cut by the UFC

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According to Versus.com:
The UFC has released veteran Phil Baroni.

Baroni, 34, said he plans on "getting back on the horse" immediately after his 60-day medical suspension is over. He doesn't plan on retiring and would like to remain very active in 2011. He said he has come to grips with the idea of working his way back into a big show.
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UFC 125: Emotional Phil Baroni Expects UFC Release, Refuses to Call it Quits

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Just Go Away

Please don’t try. Working back to the big show is code for hopefully I can get a few more paychecks out of my name.

by alibabba on Jan 4, 2011 12:17 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Well, yeah.

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by Earl Montclair on Jan 4, 2011 12:22 AM EST reply actions  

He just can't hang

Lets hope he makes it somewhere. Hopefully NOT a reality show

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by Krimson on Jan 4, 2011 12:23 AM EST reply actions  

His public introspection

is more interesting than his fights.

Hopefully he realizes that he can do more than just fight.

Color commentary, perhaps. Youth counseling.

and the occasional can crunch on the side, if the money’s good…

by Organ-Donor on Jan 4, 2011 12:34 AM EST reply actions  

Baroni’s willingness to talk means that we’ll get to see his continued slide into obscurity in an oddly public way. He didn’t “deserve” a UFC contract when he came back and I don’t think he even has a deserved place in Strikeforce or Bellator. For his own health, he should retire and look into going back to school. Become a PE teacher or something. Fighting isn’t gonna work out for him in the long term. He keeps this up and he won’t be able to count whatever money he makes by the time he’s 40.

by VirtualBalboa on Jan 4, 2011 12:51 AM EST reply actions  

Mr. Baroni

Any kid that has ever watched the UFC would be scared to death

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by Krimson on Jan 4, 2011 8:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Back in the days, I was scared by three guys in the UFC: Tank Abott, Vittor and Baroni.

They see me rollin...

by spectaa on Jan 4, 2011 9:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Co-sign

Back when I was like 14-15 those three could have ended WW2 early if there were time machines.

by SilverNBlackZach! on Jan 4, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

At least he know's he can still land a bomb,

if Tavares was any indicator. But at least he also know’s now that he just can’t take those same bombs anymore, if Tavares was any indicator.

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by Dustin Luff on Jan 4, 2011 12:58 AM EST reply actions  

He was doing well until he got caught . Baroni needs to kick Coleman to the curb and stick with a real cornerman/team. I understand he trains w/ AKA, he needs them in his corner instead of Coleman who can offer him minimal advice on current MMA.

by BrothaDarkness on Jan 4, 2011 1:25 AM EST reply actions  

great personality but,

who didn’t know the nyba is a marginal fighter? It sucks he’s losing his job but I think everyone knew he wasn’t going to last long in the ufc.

by Discman2 on Jan 4, 2011 1:40 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Fucking finally.

I mean…ummm…best of luck?

There is nothing about Phil Baroni that is good for MMA. Sorry.

by BVandDietPepsi on Jan 4, 2011 1:48 AM EST reply actions  

I wish phil would become a trainer of some sort, because i think he would be great at that.

The motivational speech he gave Coleman before the 2nd round was inspiring. It was too bad coleman was spent at that point, and shogun was still fresh

by TheBiggertheyare... on Jan 4, 2011 2:10 AM EST reply actions  

I was on the UG earlier

and they were hugely behind Phil including a couple ppl who said they’d stop watching the UFC if they cut him (lol). Interesting change of pace here.

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by Cory Braiterman on Jan 4, 2011 2:22 AM EST reply actions  

I’d stop watching UFC if they don’t. This isn’t a popularity contest dammit we’re trying to have a competition here :|…

They see me rollin...

by spectaa on Jan 4, 2011 5:38 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

This is the only 13-13 fighter most of us would even considering giving the time of day to… mostly because it’s just a sad reflection of what could’ve been.

For me, Team Hammer House is one of the greatest regrets I feel in the history of MMA… Randleman, Coleman, Baroni, et al… could’ve been so much more in their prime years if they would’ve trained properly. Each of them had reasonable abilities and a skillset that could’ve made history if any of them grew and expanded even marginally with the times.

I feel Hammer House is if say… Einstein got distracted and his life became about repairing cars instead.

I think Baroni is a bit less in comparison to the absolute waste of Randleman and Coleman… but he’s 34 now and apparently training correctly (maybe)… If he had done so in a more formative time in his life… man, it’s just sad to think about. If he had been even moderately well-rounded… developed cardio instead of “fuck me please” muscles… with his power and charisma… he could’ve ran the dark times of MMA and have been a legend.

My other source of MMA depression has been Vitor Belfort… at least there’s some redemption there with his unwarranted but completely interesting (to me) title shot. He has broken my heart so many times like an ex… that I still occasionally text because I miss what I thought was there.

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by timetraveltome on Jan 4, 2011 2:42 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Coleman

is an all-time great with runs at the top of the UFC and Pride, possibly the only fighter ever to have two separate runs at the top of the heavyweight division.
Agree that Hammer House didn’t grow with the times and Randleman and Baroni came up short of what their talent promised but let’s not forget Coleman’s accomplishments and what he brought to the sport.

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by Nate Wilcox on Jan 4, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah… but still, Coleman’s infrequent fights… infrequent training… and non-existent growth as a fighter still irk me. He had two great, albeit brief, runs as a fighter…
Instead of becoming a serious, fulltime fighter… the talent he had he pissed away in true Hammer House fashion.

Legend? Yes. Realized his potential? Not particularly.

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by timetraveltome on Jan 4, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Baroni is part of a dying breed of fighters who got by with minimal skills and just heart

Reality is that he’s a .500 fighter.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 4, 2011 2:54 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah… but he had a spark of something talent-wise and personality-wise that makes anyone who watched his old fights wonder what if he ever maximized his skills with his heart.

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by timetraveltome on Jan 4, 2011 3:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Especially in that time and place… it’s something too far gone to consider now… but with any proper motivation or training, it’s not crazy to see where he could’ve been a Chuck Lidell precursor in the UFC…

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by timetraveltome on Jan 4, 2011 3:16 AM EST up reply actions  

If Baroni had been in a proper camp, he'd be a UFC mainstay

He’s that cocky meathead (and I mean that in the nicest way) type fighter that bangs and people love to watch fight and he has that NYBA persona.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 4, 2011 3:19 AM EST up reply actions  

honestly…all of those guys at Hammer House could be going down as GOATS, not just washouts if they ever had real training.

Look at what Randleman and Coleman accomplished. And I remember reading in an interview that their training consisted of rolling and lifting weights at Colemans house.

Imagine if those guys were practicing Jiu Jitsu with legit competitors. Or working on their striking with legit boxing or Muay thai instructors? They would have been even more scary…

by Fedorable on Jan 4, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Its not like they weren’t hearing on a daily basis that they should have. They didn’t want to. These guys aren’t all going to act in the way that we imagine might maximize their potential. Things like human nature and ego get in the way.

by VirtualBalboa on Jan 4, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

By no means am I making excusses for them. Would I leave my comfort zone to train with people I don’t know, in a discapline I’m not great at? Especially while I’m headlining and making boat loads of cash in Japan? Hell noo.

But that said, Imagine if they wen’t the route of Couture and got legit training partners and expanded their disciplines. Coleman and Randleman could have been two of the best HW’s of all time IMO.

by Fedorable on Jan 4, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Randleman is kind of like Bo Jackson to me… He was just a special kind of athletic freak that gave you pause and made you wonder what would happen if that kineticism could be properly harnessed.

At least Bo Jackson had Tecmo Bowl…

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by timetraveltome on Jan 4, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

It requires different men with different backgrounds and mentalities. Coleman and Randleman were convinced for years, regardless of the results, that big muscles and blast doubles would be the road to success. When that ended up starting to not work on the elite level, they took the tact that it was too late for them to really change up their game and just worked on refining it. Yeah, of course all that means they just did nothing but shoot takedowns on each other and hit bags all day for year after year, but to them, it made perfect sense, and they get assessed in that way as a result.

You can make similar statements about so many guys: What if Pedro Rizzo had learned to be offensive with his kickboxing when he was still young? What if Belfort had his head together 10 years ago? What if Mark Kerr hadn’t become a junkie? Its not a road that is productive.

by VirtualBalboa on Jan 4, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

- Pedro Rizzo never turned the corner… It was frustrating at the time but it doesn’t feel like a great loss… To compare to the present, it feels Vera-esque in career standards.

- Vitor Belfort has been maddening as he was/is incredibly special… but his title shot against Silva is satisfying to me. Win or lose… it’s a bit of redemption for a man and a career that needed some.

- Mark Kerr did it to himself. Plus, The Smashing Machine has given him a longer spotlight and relevance as a cautionary tale than he might have had as a fighter.

The Hammer House thing interests me as it’s an entire team of wasted potential as opposed to a few glaring cases. It’s a collective willful ideology of semi-failure with each of their fighters briefly right on the cusp of greatness.

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by timetraveltome on Jan 4, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Hammer House was a classic case of American Machismo

All brawn and no brains. A bit like the Ford Mustang muscle car. Sounds great, looks great and fast as hell in a straight line but not very good round a race track. From a personal and selfish POV, theres something I love about them training in parks, Colemans house, wearing ripped denim while working out etc…

One of my all time fav MMA gems is Colemans post fight interview in Pride after he ‘beat’ Shogun. To this day it still brightens my day and cements my fondess of all the HH chaps

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by Shoguns Hairy Forearms. on Jan 4, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I have to wonder if this will be the only fighter cut after UFC 125?

I am expecting Brandon Vera to get cut as well, and possibly Marcus Davis (I actually kind of doubt the UFC would cut Davis until losing 4 in a row though). Baroni’s skills just aren’t up to snuff in this day and age in the UFC, and I honestly can’t see him beat a lower-tier UFC fighter in his respective weight class/classes. Baroni’s used to build up fighters like Amir Sadollah and Brad Tavares, but that is the only role that he was good for in the UFC.

I won't jump off the bandwagon just because you lost.

by chrisbboy82 on Jan 4, 2011 3:47 AM EST reply actions  

one of a kind! his urban dictionary entry/description still kills me every time

by candy routure on Jan 4, 2011 8:51 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Dude is more interested in working on his mirror muscles than fighting

by nastyem on Jan 4, 2011 9:29 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Why do you say that? Because he’s ripped?

Maybe back in the day he used to be more worried about that, but he’s been training with AKA, and I have a feeling that when you come and train with AKA, you don’t get the opportunity to take it easy and not go balls to the wall.

by Fedorable on Jan 4, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

I say that because he’s still ripped yet hasn’t improved as a fighter at all and still has next to no gas tank. In fact he’s probably regressed in both departments.

of course this is all just my personal conjecture

by nastyem on Jan 4, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Well everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Like I said before, he’s been training with AKA for , and prior to that he was in Thailand for 2 months working Muay Thai, Strenght, and Conditioning.

Although its clear that he’s not getting any better, or that his age has caught up with him, its rediculous to say that he’s not interested in training or fighting.

by Fedorable on Jan 4, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Training now at AKA as a 13-13 fighter at 34 years old is a case of too little, too late… With the rapid way the sport has grown, Baroni’s skillset essentially equates to that of a novice at this point… sadly.

Old dogs. New tricks. Yadda yadda.

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by timetraveltome on Jan 4, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I think its a little ridiculous to say that Baroni’s skills are “novice” level. He has two primary problems that have never been addressed – one, he can’t take a shot. Especially now that he’s been hit with so many. Two, he has no gas tank. Being 34 with as many KOs and all out wars on his record as he has means that he is much older than his calendar age. Add in the steroid use (long rumored, also something he was popped for in 2007) and it could be even older yet. He’s really more like a guy who’s 43-44.

by VirtualBalboa on Jan 4, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn’t mean “novice” in a way that diminishes his past… just his current place when compared to fighters coming up that are learning all of the facets of MMA and not just certain skills.

Taking his name value out of the equation… Is this a guy that could even make it through a tryout and into a TUF house with its increasingly diminished standards?

I do agree he is an old 34 though.

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by timetraveltome on Jan 4, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree… Its too little, too late. But at the same time, he’s clearly trying to better himself as a fighter. It’s just not working.

So to say he’s more interested in working on his muscles then fighting or training is a bit silly.

by Fedorable on Jan 4, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

i was hoping someone would say this...

…because I agree 100%. he definitely could lose some of those muscles and be a lean WW or even LW. He is only 5’9… I am sure his gas tank would improve.

 

by gabriezim on Jan 4, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

He fought at 170 for his prior 3 fights, going 1-2. He has no gas tank at 185, and he had no gas tank at 170.

by Fedorable on Jan 4, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Hard to keep ’em when you can actually hear him gassing at the 90-second mark.

by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Jan 4, 2011 9:52 AM EST reply actions  

This dude, Marcus Davis, and sad to say Takanori Gomi should all be cut.

by Spider_Vemon on Jan 4, 2011 9:55 AM EST reply actions  

So no more top five FW's buried in prelim hell

But Baroni should seriously consider a move to the WWE.

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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 4, 2011 10:28 AM EST reply actions  

I agree…He’s got the look, the persona, the athletic ability. Why not? And its a consistent paycheck.

Honestly, I’m suprised he never was in the WWE. Out of all the guys that have transitioned to pro wrestling, none of them have had the attitude/Charisma that Baroni has.

by Fedorable on Jan 4, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Yo I have theorized Team Hammerhouse

should all transfer over to the WWE and become a stable and run some shits. It’s not like they’re doing so hot in MMA.

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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 4, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Hammer House (Baroni, Coleman, Randleman, Simms) vs. DX (HHH, Road Dogg, X-Pac, B.A. Billy Gunn) circa 2000 would have been the most kick ass thing ever.

OR

Hammer House vs. Chute Boxe (Wand, Shogun, Ninja, Christiano Marcelo) survivor seriers 2011

by Fedorable on Jan 4, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

He's in his mid thirties and has no wrestling experience

There’s no way the WWE has any interest in signing him. TNA might be interested though and he could definitely get some bookings in Japan.

by simpsycho on Jan 4, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Batista was in his mid-30’s and a hairdresser… If the WWE thinks they can sell you, the wrestling part (by that, actually working a watchable match) can be learned on the job.

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by timetraveltome on Jan 4, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

MMA experience has a lot of value

practically and promotionaly. Same as Lesnar walking off the mat and into the ring as a champion. I imagine Baroni has enough knowledge of pro wrestling based on his love of it anyway to be a much higher value prospect than a typical wrestler. He should go to the WWE.

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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 4, 2011 9:57 PM EST up reply actions  

He should look into professional body building

by Gafford on Jan 4, 2011 12:52 PM EST reply actions  

Been there for Baroni, done that.

by VirtualBalboa on Jan 4, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

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