Former UFC Contender Chael Sonnen Pleads Guilty to Federal Money Laundering Charges
by Leland Roling on Jan 4, 2011 12:09 AM EST
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According to the Columbian, former UFC middleweight contender Chael Sonnen has plead guilty to federal money laundering charges:
An Oregon real estate agent has pleaded guilty to money laundering in connection with a mortgage fraud case involving Vancouver-based Lighthouse Financial Group, which also did business under the name Crown Point Financial Services.
Chael Sonnen, 33, of West Linn, Ore., entered the plea Monday in U.S. District Court in Portland. He will be sentenced March 28. The maximum sentence is 20 years in prison and a $500,000 fine.
According to a news release, Sonnen acted as the real estate agent in a transaction involving a home in Portland, and submitted a false letter and sales agreement instructing the title company to disburse $69,000 to a contractor for plumbing repairs. However, in a deal arranged by Lighthouse employees, $65,000 of the money was actually kicked back to the buyer.
This latest development follows Sonnen's positive test for elevated testosterone levels after his UFC 117 loss to Anderson Silva. It also seems to run parallel with the story of Sonnen bowing out of a political race in Oregon due to a "legal issue" in 2006. He told Mike Straka in an exclusive HDNet interview following his hearing with the California Athletic Commission that there was a legal issue, but it was being taken care of by his lawyers. Perhaps this is a part of a plea deal in the long-term, but this doesn't look good for Sonnen.
UPDATE [from Luke Thomas]: Here's the press release from the U.S. Attorney's Office in Oregon on Chael Sonnen's crime
"This office will continue to aggressively prosecute real estate professionals who committed the mortgage fraud that contributed to this country's economic downturn and wreaked havoc on our community's housing market. We entrusted these professionals to honestly broker real estate transactions and instead, they defrauded lending institutions throughout the country and left financial ruin in their wake," said Dwight Holton, U. S. Attorney for the District of Oregon.
Marcus Williams, the Special Agent in Charge of IRS Criminal Investigations for the Pacific Northwest said, "West Linn residents, and other residents throughout the Portland/Vancouver area, can rest assured knowing that federal law enforcement agencies take mortgage fraud very seriously because it played a major role in almost crippling this nation's banking system just a few years ago."
UPDATE [from Leland Roling]: OregonLive.com writer Jeff Manning reports in his article that there is in fact a plea deal in place:
The government is recommending Sonnen be sentenced to two years of probation.
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As part of his plea deal, Sonnen agreed to give up his Realtor's license and pay a $10,000 fine, said Michelle Holman Kerin, the assistant U.S. attorney handling the case.
UPDATE [from Nick Thomas]: Chael Sonnen vs. Yoshihiro Akiyama in the works for UFC 128 according to MMA Junkie:
Sonnen's sentencing is set to begin 10 days after he is expected to fight Yoshihiro Akiyama at UFC 128, according to sources close to the event, which today informed MMAjunkie.com of the pending booking just as news of the legal trouble broke.
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Spanish Sonnen?
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by SheepleBuster on Jan 3, 2011 10:02 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
“Yo no sé acerca de estos negocios de bienes raíces que usted está hablando. Tal vez usted quiere hablar con el Señor Hombreo Americano?”
(If that doesn’t make any sense, blame google translate. If that isn’t funny, blame me. Or Jonathan Snowden, whichever)
yea, not too bad
i thought it was funny
The days as champ are done... but the juggernaut known as Brock Lesnar will return.
yup… this finally is public…
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oops… public… i have been hearing rumors of this for about 3 months.
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I didn't know any specifics, but I had heard he was involved in something federal and money
I thought it was politically related.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 3, 2011 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
it was his decision to run for office that got this investigated
really dumb to run for office when you’ve got shit like this in your background.
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by Nate Wilcox on Jan 3, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Politicians aren't the sharpest knives in the draw
It’s pretty hard to say anything else about Sonnen as it might be construed as fighter bashing.
$10 here says it'd be 6 month jail
Chael always gets 6 month no matter what he does. I am sure he disclosed too.
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by SheepleBuster on Jan 3, 2011 10:04 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Oh yes
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by SheepleBuster on Jan 3, 2011 10:18 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
haha. yes
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by SheepleBuster on Jan 3, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
Like Wesley Snipe in that movie?
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by SheepleBuster on Jan 3, 2011 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
You know what.
Wesley is in jail too. Maybe they can film the movie together. Or play it in real life. haha
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by SheepleBuster on Jan 3, 2011 10:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
A lethal weapon remake
Wesley is getting too old for this shit
by IRodC on Jan 3, 2011 10:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Wesley Snipes is also in prison. What a coincidence. This might have legs. I got Snipes.
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by Leland Roling on Jan 3, 2011 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
War Machine is in there too. They have got the full cast for this thing
Any other contender doing some jail time?
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by SheepleBuster on Jan 3, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
The Ultimate FIghter: Convicts.
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by Leland Roling on Jan 3, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
and that could get on MSNBC after that program
What’s it called. Lockup?
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by SheepleBuster on Jan 3, 2011 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe add Chris Hansen there too? For interviews or something. haha
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by SheepleBuster on Jan 3, 2011 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
“So you wanna be a f´n fighter? Take a seat over there.”
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by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Jan 3, 2011 11:46 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Lee Murray vs Chael Sonnen
For the completely innocent, yet being persecuted unjustly, 185 Title
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by aaronb on Jan 4, 2011 12:38 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
Hahahahahahahahahahaha
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 3, 2011 10:04 PM EST reply actions 16 recs
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by David Bixenspan on Jan 3, 2011 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
Oh that wacky Chael. What will he do next?
I mean you can’t take this stuff seriously, he’s just self-promoting.
He'll be doing some jiu jitsu in prison
He better learn submission defense.
Don’t worry Chael, it’s only gay if you make eye contact.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 3, 2011 10:05 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
I don’t expect him to be raped, but he seems like a “it’s not gay if you don’t make eye contact” kind of guy.
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by David Bixenspan on Jan 3, 2011 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
Bet he wishes he hadn’t publically announced his balls don’t work now.
by who me on Jan 3, 2011 10:23 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I don’t see him getting a narcotic in prison, even if it’s legit.
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by David Bixenspan on Jan 3, 2011 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
(It’s not legit)
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by David Bixenspan on Jan 3, 2011 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
Chael Sonnen is the kind of guy....
…who believes his own bullshit. He could be confronted with a photo of himself ass depp in Richard Simmons and look you in the eye and swear never once Sweated the Oldies.
He’s the kind of guy who could be caught red handed by a trooper trolling for gay Republican sex in an airport bathroom and still believe he never even went to that airport he was caught it. “No sir’” In fact, he’s never even heard of that airport. Or Airports.
by gatorroll on Jan 4, 2011 1:25 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not to turn BE into Jezebel or something, but I can’t co-sign on “Chael’s gonna get raped in prison LOLOLOLOL”. Let Sherdog go crazy with that stuff.
by Juicin' Giambi on Jan 3, 2011 10:53 PM EST up reply actions 11 recs
Something tells me he’s gonna get away with no jail time.
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by mburtoni on Jan 3, 2011 10:05 PM EST via mobile reply actions
This isnt some athletic commission
Im thinking he’ll wind up with like 18 month jail sentence restitution and like 5 years probation
by Papercut Elbow on Jan 3, 2011 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
The Oregonian is reporting Sonnen has reached a plea deal with the District Attorney that will result in a two-year probation, along with a $10,000 fine and the revocation of his realtor license.
"If I wanted to spend a half hour between two hairy legs I'd go to your mother's house." -Don Frye
Not yet. That's the "recommended sentence".
The judge can decide differently. But I wouldn’t expect the MMA media to get it right.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 3, 2011 11:48 PM EST up reply actions
How often does that actually happen? Are there stats on that sort of thing or something?
To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.
It is pretty unusual, even
at the local level, and very rare at the federal level, but it is certainly within their rights. IIRC, it generally only makes the news when it happens with higher profile cases, particularly where there is the perception that someone is getting off too lightly (Enron for example).
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by The American Ronin on Jan 4, 2011 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
YES
Hahaha.
You know you fucked up.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 3, 2011 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
Call Chael Sonnen directly.
Or accept this call from an inmate at a federal penitentiary.
by Brent Ducharme on Jan 3, 2011 10:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Wow...and we thought Mayweather had legal issues
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by Krimson on Jan 3, 2011 10:06 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Mayweather
is just a pussy that won’t fight anyone worth fighting. DUCK DUCK….GOOSE!!
by Cindjor on Jan 3, 2011 10:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Mayweather fought Shane Mosely . . . guess who Pacquiao is fighting next?
Please kill the Mayweather crap, this is an MMA board.
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by VeeisAnimated on Jan 3, 2011 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
Money won't fight Pac
he wants to stay undefeated.
I won my fantasy football leauge, so I'm kind of awsome...kind of.
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by RolloTomasi on Jan 4, 2011 2:30 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Mayweather is NOT a pussy.
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by Tokyo Sandblaster on Jan 4, 2011 8:08 AM EST up reply actions
Sonnen just lost a fan
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by Noah'sArk on Jan 3, 2011 10:07 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Wow, after all that he said and did, this act puts the nail in the coffin?
Excuse my emotional, reactionary, fanatic output but Pettis will be the next UFC lightweight champion. Period.
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by VeeisAnimated on Jan 3, 2011 10:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I saw his act and comments as nothing more than playing a heel using “kayfabe” to garner a reaction. I thought it worked perfectly and was a trip, even if he did go too far sometimes. I did not (and still don’t) believe means hardly anything he says. He made himself the most talked about man in MMA talking the way he did. As Chad Dukes noted, he was the Roddy Piper of MMA.
I was willing to give him a the benefit of the doubt about his TRT stuff because the whole thing was a mess and there was no way of knowing his true testosterone leves without a blood test.
There’s not really anything to defend about this
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13
I can defend this act. It happens often. Sounds like a KickBack.
The current Governor of NY was associated with the HUD scandal which probably lead to the mortgage crisis – so they say in some circles – but alas he was not found guilty or even indicted. Sorry I know, no politics on this blog.
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by VeeisAnimated on Jan 4, 2011 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
So basically
because it happens a lot it’s not that bad?
I don't want to say he's dirty, but Forrest Griffin looks like directly after a workout his crotch might resemble a cajun swamp.
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Basically yup.
I’m not in real estate or an expert but I do read the paper.
Excuse my emotional, reactionary, fanatic output but Pettis will be the next UFC lightweight champion. Period.
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by VeeisAnimated on Jan 4, 2011 12:58 AM EST up reply actions
bahahahaahahaha
Ya, I could quit now and be a chump mutha fucka, but I'd rather reload and just dump mutha fucka
Can someone photoshop that gif of him putting that sign up
but have it say “Indicted” instead of Sold.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 3, 2011 10:08 PM EST reply actions
Saw this posted somewhere else:
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by Mike Fagan on Jan 3, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions 16 recs
Number works
He has " no ability" to check his voicemail though
by silent.bisonte33 on Jan 3, 2011 10:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Just wondering...
If he picked up what would you have done?
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by Tokyo Sandblaster on Jan 4, 2011 8:09 AM EST up reply actions
Good one
Maybe just wish him luck in his next fights. His indiscretions don’t bother me. We have politicians we vote for that control america who do worse and have a greater effect on us.
by silent.bisonte33 on Jan 4, 2011 9:03 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I am sad. This now proves Sonnen would have been a great politician.
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I'm slowly beginning to believe that perhaps Sonnen is really crazy!
At first I thought it was another SC Michaelson parody, but I see it’s real. And who are these newspaper writers that they do not know who Sonnen is. ’An Oregon real estate agent??"
Amazing this is that Sonnen still goes on programs like MMA Live and clowns other fighters (dismissing Overeem) when he has these HUMONGOUS skeletons in his backyard!!
Maybe he really is crazy!!
"Forest Griffin, Brian Stamm, Rashad Evans, Dana White, elite MMA fighters against Marine."
Dana White??!?
I will still stand by Sonnen
He’s the Ric Flare of MMA the dirtiest SOB. But unlike Anderson Silva he entertains.
Oh yeah
cause this is just like Rick Flair being hit with a steel chair by IRS, because both these instances took place in pro wrestling land.
I don't want to say he's dirty, but Forrest Griffin looks like directly after a workout his crotch might resemble a cajun swamp.
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Meh
I was never a fan anyway.
I don't want to say he's dirty, but Forrest Griffin looks like directly after a workout his crotch might resemble a cajun swamp.
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Racism.
Simple and plain.
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by TheFilt on Jan 4, 2011 12:42 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
There were quite a few of Flair's promos that were racially tinged
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 4, 2011 2:17 AM EST up reply actions
I started watching wrasslin in 98 and never watched WCW
so while I had been aware of him, by the time I actually got around to seeing him on a regular basis he was just…old. I found his “woo” shtick a tad annoying, and his physique all kinds of unappealing.
And yes, my intense racism might have had something to do with it.
I don't want to say he's dirty, but Forrest Griffin looks like directly after a workout his crotch might resemble a cajun swamp.
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You can't hide your hate from me, Lee.
I see through the fun-loving facade, into the cold heart of a hateful man. Sick with anger. The foul stench of jealously reeks off of you like the smell of cheap perfume on a 4 dollar whore.
Just because a white man has an amazing sense of style and beautiful flowing white hair, your gonna be a jealous racist bitch about it? Bigot.
"I'll rock your body with big nasty hooks!"
Wait
how do you know my fake real first name?
I don't want to say he's dirty, but Forrest Griffin looks like directly after a workout his crotch might resemble a cajun swamp.
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And
MDH is Tom…
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by The American Ronin on Jan 4, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
Wow
If your going to do something like that remember rule number 1… don’t get caught
Hey, I’m sure this goes on in real estate all the time.
Only the assholes get caught.
Excuse my emotional, reactionary, fanatic output but Pettis will be the next UFC lightweight champion. Period.
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by VeeisAnimated on Jan 3, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
Actually...
Only the guys who give people a reason to go digging in their past get caught…
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by The American Ronin on Jan 4, 2011 5:15 AM EST up reply actions
sheeeeeeeeeeeit. Sonnen ain't no Clay Davis
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by eastcoastatlas on Jan 3, 2011 10:10 PM EST reply actions 7 recs
One of the best politicians ever.
Excuse my emotional, reactionary, fanatic output but Pettis will be the next UFC lightweight champion. Period.
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by VeeisAnimated on Jan 3, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
You think I got time to ask everyone where that money comin from? Shit Clarence, I’ll take any fools money if he givin it away!!
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Melvin Guilard looks like a little Kevin Randelman!
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So is this why he dropped out of the race awhile back? I’m sure this has been brewing for quite sometime.
Yea, I think.
I had heard about it but nothing very specific. I thought it was a charge from the poiitical race, so I was thinking campaign fraud.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 3, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
“In the best interests of my district, I am resigning from my campaign for the Oregon House of Representatives. A 2006 legal issue has arisen that needs my immediate attention. I am not at liberty to disclose the details, but my name was involved in a real estate case that requires a ruling. If the ruling is adverse, I would be disqualified from running for office until 2011.
“So, given that possibility, I have chosen to withdraw my name as a candidate in 2010. I will continue to contribute to my community and ensure that we have a capable candidate to run for my district in November.” – Statement from Sonnen
Last comment, this will be the MMA media test
They blew the Carwin stuff
They blew the Sonnen steroid trial.
Will they cover this like it should be covered or will they puss out? I’m not talking about BE. I’m looking directly at the MMAJunkies, MMAWeeklys, MMAFighting, HeavyMMA type sites. I’m not talking about just writing a little article summing up what happened. I mean some investigative journalism. Helwani said that the media blew the Carwin thing, make it up here.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 3, 2011 10:11 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
So you think BE gives these stories adequate coverage?
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jan 3, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
BE was one of, if not, the only sites (besides mine and Cageside Seats) that gave the Sonnen story coverage
outside of “Sonnen got popped” and “Sonnen had a trial”
Anyone who does more than that aka real journalism gets called negative or fighter bashers.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 3, 2011 10:22 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
This is true
I think Chael is in some deep doodoo maybe he can blame it on some random mexican?
by Papercut Elbow on Jan 3, 2011 10:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Really? I felt we gave overwhelming coverage of Chael and Carwin’s steroid stories.
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I agree – I was asking SCM for his opinion.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jan 3, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
I think it has a lot to do with the buddy-buddy atmosphere between fighters and the media.
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Do you see that changing as MMA becomes a bigger sport? I can’t imagine it being glossed over if it had been Mayweather’s name on that list.
It’ll change eventually, I think. Might be awhile though. It’ll correlate with how big the sport gets.
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No. It won't be changing for a few years
Plus, your bigger sites don’t want to lose that access.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 3, 2011 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah thats true actually noone really spoke of it with the exception of BloodyElbow
by Papercut Elbow on Jan 3, 2011 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
My best friend calls it the "Rudolph Effect"
BE is overly competent and shows up other MMA websites, so they ostracize you/us.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jan 3, 2011 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
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You guys feed my obsessive need to read MMA news.
by Papercut Elbow on Jan 3, 2011 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
The most important question is Will they let him tweet from jail
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by MaZZacare on Jan 3, 2011 10:11 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Nick Diaz
is scared of Chael Sonnen homie. He is the real true original gansta.
If only Chael lived during the Boardwalk Empire era, he would of been king.
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i don't watch enough TV to know what this is
but I must know.
WTF is this?
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One of the best new series this year
Oh yes. Harrow is a disfigured WW I vet, kind friend to small children, and a scary, scary dude. Watch it if you’re in any way able.
2 great topics
Chael Sonnen being busted and boardwalk empire. Love this site.
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If the first season is any indication of things to come
The next season should be off the hook developing the Capone/Luciano story lines etc etc
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I think I need to watch this now. I was on the fence for long time time.
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by Tokyo Sandblaster on Jan 4, 2011 8:14 AM EST up reply actions
Watched the first episode and really didn't think to much of it.
Did it pick up? Well I gave Mad Men about 3 episodes to get me hooked so I guess I should give Boardwalk another chance.
WOW
This dude’s life went from the highest of highs to the lowest of lows… amazing story…
This is for you, Chael
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ytCEuuW2_A
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jan 3, 2011 10:12 PM EST reply actions
Kind of unrelated...
But what does it say about MMA’s profile in mainstream American when a guy who, between one of the biggest fights of the year, his loud mouth, and his steroid scandal, dominated MMA news headlines is only mentioned as a “real estate agent” in this news story?
check this other article from the Lake Oswego Review http://www.lakeoswegoreview.com/news/story.php?story_id=129410490911120000
they prominently and hilariously incorrectly refer to him as an ultimate fighting champion, even though he was only a WEC champ
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by eastcoastatlas on Jan 3, 2011 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
his NCAA and worlds achievements are pretty notable
surprised they don’t refer to him being a silver medalist (at the worlds)
Really? Nice.
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by Tonley on Jan 3, 2011 10:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I train Shooto
so I’m cooler then you both.
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Did not see this coming.
I’m surprised I didn’t hear about this until right now.
Did anyone hear any rumors up until now?
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Ah Chael Sonnen
The gift that keeps on giving
Loser? How many beers can YOU drink?
I pray to one god......and his name is Kazushi Sakuraba.
by MMA-UK on Jan 3, 2011 10:14 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
A lolcat for a lolsonnen. Bravo.
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by David Bixenspan on Jan 3, 2011 10:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Is there any way Morocco might extradite Lee Murray so Sonnen won't catch too much cage rust?
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Leland, you linked to The Columbian, not the Lake Oswego Review. The Lake Oswego Review article is http://www.lakeoswegoreview.com/news/story.php?story_id=129410490911120000
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by Leland Roling on Jan 3, 2011 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
Almost 50%, if not more of the realtors do that scam.
I used to own a luxury home real estate firm that did 30-50 million a year in sales. I had the luck of selling before the market collapsed. One of the reasons I got out of that business was because of deals like the one Chael was involved in. He shouldn’t get any time in jail because it is fairly common in real estate. (even though its very illeagal). I never did anything like that but I would often get offers from buyers asking for as high as a million dollars cash back. I can’t tell you how many realtors I fired for doing that nonsense. It was very common to do that scam in addition to the countless other scams that realtors were doing towards the end there. Banks, title companies, mortgage brokers and realtors got really unethical towards the end.
by HoomanCan on Jan 3, 2011 10:16 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
This is exactly
whats wrong with society in general, you admit that this act was “very illegal” but don’t think he should get time? I’m not sure if you missed what happened two years ago, you know, the American economy on the brink of collapse, why? because of guys like Sonnen doing this very thing. While this might not be the only reason, it sure was one hell of a contributing factor. Don’t give him any special treatment, treat him like the common criminal/juicer he is. Give him some time, make him pay some ridiculous fines. White collar crimes shouldn’t be acceptable, for any reason.
Crimes like this
had nothing to do with the collapse, that was all about fraud, greed, and a willful inability to see the inevitable consequences of their actions by the investment banking underwriters and total complicity of the bond ratings companies (Fitch, S & P, Moody’s), all of whom have (and will) escaped any real consequences for their actions, aside from those imposed by the markets…
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by The American Ronin on Jan 4, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
while I can't argue
the reality of the situation, the economy collapse happened because of a serious of events, which Sonnen, albeit tiny, had a part in. It’s pretty much a snowball effect. I’m not specifically trying to say what Sonnen did, or people like him did was the reason for the collapse, but it’s all a contributing factor that lead up to the end result.
It did in a way
The problem with this was that those whose interests appear on the surface to be aligned with preventing frauded-up mortgages was actually served by them – that is why they looked the other way at all of the fraud nonsense that was going on.
They needed subprime loans, in bulk, and planed to stick others down the road with the inevitable losses…
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"People griping about this matchup need to stop using fight finder as their primary source of MMA information and watch some fights already."
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by The American Ronin on Jan 4, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
I wish I could
find the link I had a while ago explaining this, it was pretty good at showing how the whole thing started and came to an end, using lost of graphics and easy to follow commentary.
I really need to trust google a little more
I thought this was a good visual of how the whole thing went wrong
sadly, this version is in two parts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0zEXdDO5JU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYhDkZjKBEw&feature=channel
A roider and now a white collar criminal.
I’m done with this assclown.
Chael is my new Hero
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by 79guy on Jan 4, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
They'll let him slide on 70k
after all, you have to steal a billion to get any prison time.
"I'll rock your body with big nasty hooks!"
Note, if you steal a billion, you get respect. Criminals are the guys stealing $100. $1,000 or $100k.
If you’re stealing millions, you get respect but I pretty much doubt you’re getting jail time. I know it happens occasionally.
Excuse my emotional, reactionary, fanatic output but Pettis will be the next UFC lightweight champion. Period.
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by VeeisAnimated on Jan 3, 2011 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
He's talking about the way the criminal justice system functions.
Executives at Enron or Goldman Sachs get 6 months. A low-level drug dealer gets 10 years.
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by Sabate on Jan 3, 2011 10:48 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Thanks Sabate for the assist.
I pretty much thought that this was self-evident and not necessarily me talking out of my ass. There’s more and more examples through out American history.
Excuse my emotional, reactionary, fanatic output but Pettis will be the next UFC lightweight champion. Period.
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by VeeisAnimated on Jan 4, 2011 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
my bad.
Excuse my emotional, reactionary, fanatic output but Pettis will be the next UFC lightweight champion. Period.
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by VeeisAnimated on Jan 4, 2011 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
10 years???
Move to Austin Tx and see what they get. Only time they see jail time like that is if they go federal on them. Criminals get away with a lot. They get a slap on the hand here.
I’m talking about history as recent as 1970’s till now. How many notorious criminals is the general public familiar with that are doing time for stealing millions compared to $10 – $100k
Excuse my emotional, reactionary, fanatic output but Pettis will be the next UFC lightweight champion. Period.
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by VeeisAnimated on Jan 4, 2011 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
understood
but how many people steal millions in blatantly illegal ways? my perception of white collar crime is a world of loopholes and unethical gaming of the system that is only recognized and outlawed after the fact.
i'm saying that it's easier to prosecute the bank robber
than the hedge fund manager who is skimming via some international web of bank accounts
Exactly, it is hard to prosecute the smart guys. That’s why the Enron documentary was titled “The Smartest Guys in the Room.” Some of them do get caught and prosecuted but they’re not vilified like . . . uhmm say, Michael VIck (very bad analogy, I know.) Different kind of crime.
Excuse my emotional, reactionary, fanatic output but Pettis will be the next UFC lightweight champion. Period.
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by VeeisAnimated on Jan 4, 2011 1:06 AM EST up reply actions
Well Rampage
had that little legal ordeal and didn’t do any jail time. I don’t know which one is really perceived as being worse- laundering a little money or endangering lives…
Also looks like theyre going to sentencing in March so hes guilty bro
by Papercut Elbow on Jan 3, 2011 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
Doing what Rampage did is worse IMO and I’m not a fan of his at all. I’m certain there will be a double standard here when it comes to Chael.
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13
It is worse
but legally speaking its probably easier to get out of. I mean didnt they find that Rampage did not cause the miscarriage of the baby? Just goes to show you get a good lawyer pay off an expert and youre good to go. This type of crime leaves paperwork everywhere.
by Papercut Elbow on Jan 3, 2011 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
It’s possible he may get no jail time. Regardless of what is easier to get out of, Rampage willingly put lives in danger with his stunt and could have killed someone. What Chael did is bad, and he’s lost me as a fan because of it, but I imagine he wont get a pass from the fans like Rampage did.
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Rampage got the celebrity treatment
Wasnt one of these celebrity chicks driving on the wrong side of a parkway whilst on cocaine. Maybe it was nicole richie
by Papercut Elbow on Jan 3, 2011 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
which pisses me off so much. I hate that celebrities gett off with the crap they do.
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13
Of course then there's Plaxico Burress
Who was only caught because he is a celebrity and then was only prosecuted because he is a celebrity.
Not afraid to nitpick
Exactly
If you or I were that stupid, it probably goes down very differently unless there are mandatory sentencing requirements.
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by The American Ronin on Jan 4, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Honestly I'll forgive a guy like Rampage
who’s obviously messed up and went off the deep end. Chael is just a calculating goofball who talks a lot of smack to everyone and does dumb shit.
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by chasethegoose on Jan 3, 2011 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
There is a double standard, but it has nothing to do with Chael per se
aside from him being a public figure (more as a politician than a fighter). It is simply the fact that the public is still furious about what went on, and once something like this makes the news, there is no getting out of it.
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"People griping about this matchup need to stop using fight finder as their primary source of MMA information and watch some fights already."
-smoogy2
by The American Ronin on Jan 4, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
i’d rather they let max b free and lock up this moron.
by destructivist on Jan 3, 2011 10:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I wonder how many other people know of Max B. He’s not really significant.
Excuse my emotional, reactionary, fanatic output but Pettis will be the next UFC lightweight champion. Period.
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by VeeisAnimated on Jan 3, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
about equally as sonnen only in the field of harlem rap mind you. they can give his 75 years to sonnen and then i will never have to see this clown again.
by destructivist on Jan 3, 2011 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
NOt for nothing, Max B was killing those hooks too bad he’s just another example of “when keeping it real goes wrong”
Excuse my emotional, reactionary, fanatic output but Pettis will be the next UFC lightweight champion. Period.
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by VeeisAnimated on Jan 4, 2011 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
The real question
How will Chael’s hypogonadism affect his life in jail, and will he still get testosterone shots?
"I'll rock your body with big nasty hooks!"
I bet he gets no jail time.
Right before I got out of the business I uncovered a scam that I took to the federal authorities. A lawyer was collecting commissions in my name that I had nothing to do with. In order to avoid IRS problems I exposed the lawyer. Then the authorities found out he was a part of a crime ring that had defrauded the banks of 17,000,000 plus. After all kinds of bs, they let everyone go. I couldn’t believe it. I was so disgusted. That was Florida though, I don’t know how they roll in Oregon but I bet the only reason they are even messing with this is because someone doesn’t like jail. I’m not trying to minimize his crime, I just don’t think that it compares to the other scandals out there.
by HoomanCan on Jan 3, 2011 10:25 PM EST reply actions 7 recs
I agree
I suspect it was political opponents who dug this up about him.
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by The American Ronin on Jan 4, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
I wonder if this is in PACER yet?
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 3, 2011 10:25 PM EST reply actions
crossing fingers
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by Barack Lesnar on Jan 3, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
Searching
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by Barack Lesnar on Jan 3, 2011 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
Reading the indictments now
LOL @ Chael.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 3, 2011 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
Could you email me the PDF?
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by David Bixenspan on Jan 3, 2011 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
It's not a pdf like normal
It’s weird. I think they scanned them differently. I’ll figure something out.
Plus there really isn’t anything. I’ll figure out a way.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 3, 2011 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
Oregon. Of course it’s fucked up, tell me if you find a Subaru logo sketched on a court doc
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by Barack Lesnar on Jan 3, 2011 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
Good thing is you moved
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by Barack Lesnar on Jan 3, 2011 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
Did something happen?
I’m visiting in a month or so; if they fucked with the Beaverton Bakery heads will ROLL.
Is there a way to print it so you can use PDFCreator or something?
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by David Bixenspan on Jan 3, 2011 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
Begging for a photoshop
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 3, 2011 10:27 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
I'll probably get thrown in jail for too much dick
before Sonnen sees the inside of a cell.
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Too much dick?
lol wtf
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by RolloTomasi on Jan 4, 2011 2:50 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
The story behind the GIF
Werdum was asked what he liked best about Overeem.
"I'll rock your body with big nasty hooks!"
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Cuz im on the work laptop with photoshop ready to go lol
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jan 3, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
[fist bump]
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jan 3, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
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by Papercut Elbow on Jan 3, 2011 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
Thank you sir
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by David Bixenspan on Jan 3, 2011 10:55 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
you're getting off on someone you never met being convicted of a money laundering crime?
sonnen is a mess but there are some crazies in this thread
of course there is poetic justice in this smooth talker getting smoked three times in a few months
but come on, there’s people wildly anticipating him being raped in prison?
In federal prison probably not unless accountants have gotten real tough lately
Although Chuck was an accountant
by Papercut Elbow on Jan 3, 2011 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
I got your point just saying i dont think anyone in here in all seriousness is really hoping for him to be raped in prison
I mean really do you think were all some bunch of animals
by Papercut Elbow on Jan 3, 2011 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
Yes.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jan 3, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Haha cmon im trying to make a point here haha
by Papercut Elbow on Jan 3, 2011 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with you, actually – having known a few rape victims, I dislike prison rape jokes (except perhaps for sex offenders – something poetic about that).
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jan 3, 2011 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah sex offenders leave some permanent damage on their victims
They prey on the weak so yeah i probably agree with you on that.
by Papercut Elbow on Jan 3, 2011 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
I know – I wouldn’t like there to be rape at all, but there’s a perverse justice to rapists being raped. How Dante-esque would that be?
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jan 3, 2011 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
Randy and Don asked this about this once before too
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by Pillow Pants on Jan 4, 2011 12:07 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Man you're silly if you think people want him to get raped.
We’re talking shit just like he’s spent the last year doing.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 3, 2011 11:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No chance Chael gets raped.
My half brother has been in prison for murder for 20 years, and he hasn’t even had an attempt. He’s no fighter either. He said the gay guys stick to each other and don’t bother the straight guys.
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by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Jan 4, 2011 9:49 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Not really the "gay" guys that do the raping
It’s usually the “straight” ones who don’t consider themselves gay, but need jail pussy
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 4, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If you willingly put your penis inside another man, I consider you gay. Bi at the very least.
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by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Jan 4, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
As do I, but
SC is right, in the prison subculture the giver is “straight” and the receiver “gay”…
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by The American Ronin on Jan 4, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
i've heard from a few felons
that gay sex makes you gay, no matter what.
Maybe its a black thing. We don’t really accept gays(at all). No homo.
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By “gay”, my brother meant the dudes that put their penises in other men, obviously. He wasn’t making any other distinctions. He just meant that no other dudes ever tried any shit with him and that he never saw other guys get forced into something they didn’t want to do simply because the guys that wanted to do that shit had plenty of willing particpants. There was no need for “rape.”
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by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Jan 4, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
Funny story
My brother said some ‘straight’ dudes have gay relationships in jail.
He said people like to call them out on it. Like “Hey, aren’t you and Tim fucking each other?”
He said he ran into one of those guys at the store with his girlfriend(on the outside) and asked “Are you and Tim still together?”
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My brother(who just got out) did 12 years
He said the same thing. Gay dudes are around but they stick to themselves.
He said if people know your gay(i.e. raped a man) no one will want anything to do with you.
I have an uncle who did 3 years recently who said the same thing. I asked if the rumors were true he said “not rape, but consensual sex was rampant”.
Maybe its just Oregon, but everyone in prison is getting raped.
On the whole, I’ve heard that rape was a much bigger issue in the seventies and eighties. Since the prison population has grown so much, a lot of policies are in place that prevent or highly discourage rape. That, and who wants to hang out with a dude that rapes people? Not even other prisoners.
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Maybe its just Oregon, but everyone in prison is getting raped.
I assume you meant not.
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by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Jan 4, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
No chance you say?
Well better hope they dont know triangle choke…ever been in a naked pussy deprived man’s triangle choke.. probably not a pretty sight….
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by David Bixenspan on Jan 3, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I called the number and it's actually still active.
Guess he was too busy crying to answer though. Got his voicemail.
by DisposableHeroX on Jan 3, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
Pouring out a little liquor to Chael Sonnen, true American gangsta
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it's taken me a lot
but i will finally admit that Sonnen is a fucking scumbag
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Nah, he doesn’t really mean it. He’s laundering that money to hype up his next fight.
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by Austin Martin on Jan 3, 2011 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
Damnit Chael. Why can’t you stick to kicking Anderson’s ass and quit the other bullshit!?
by Shnak on Jan 3, 2011 10:31 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
wow
this is big … but could you imagine how big it would be if he were the reigning UFC middleweight champ? i’d kind of like to see that, really — Dana & Co. would be in full panic mode, i think.
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Luckily Sonnen fucks up like a pro the roids would have stripped him of the title anyways.
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by Barack Lesnar on Jan 3, 2011 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
it almost makes me think he purposely got submitted
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by Austin Martin on Jan 3, 2011 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, he purposely let Filho submit him also.
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by VeeisAnimated on Jan 4, 2011 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
Prisoner # 4492 Chael "Pretty Eyes" Sonnen
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by chunkyass on Jan 3, 2011 10:34 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
Is that michael from Lost?
UDDDDAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!
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E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!!!!!!
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no idea, but that's augustus hill from oz
and you dont want to go there
by chunkyass on Jan 3, 2011 10:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
"Shut up Prag."
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I thought it was the pilot from the two Matrix sequels.
I see the Michael from Lost resemblence though
Mercutio?
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by Austin Martin on Jan 3, 2011 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
Oswald state Pen. Or as the inmates lovingly refer to it, Oz
Sonnen couldn’t hang in Em City unless he became Shillinger’s new prag or something
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by Pillow Pants on Jan 4, 2011 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
If Chael was smart he'd buddy up with the sneaky Irishman.
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He’d get armbarred by that dude from Law and Order quick smart. Just like Beacher.
Not that I condone facism or any ism for that matter. Isms are in my opinion, not good. A person shouldn't believe in an ism, he should believe in himself.
I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me". Good point there, after all he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. Wouldn't change the fact I have to bum rides off of people.
if they didn’t cut a drunk driver(much worse offense IMO) why would they cut a money launderer? i don’t think it matters anyways, i doubt he’ll be training for a fight
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by Austin Martin on Jan 3, 2011 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
After the roids thing? Yeah it looks pretty bad.
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by chasethegoose on Jan 3, 2011 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
Its official. Chael Sonnen is a bag of douche.
I'm gonna give you three seconds; exactly three-fucking-seconds to wipe that stupid looking grin off your face or I will gouge out your eyeballs and skull-fuck you!
Not a lawyer but
Looks like it’s a Class B felony in Oregon, as far as I can tell there is no minimum sentence but Class B isn’t a low-level crime—-if he really pleaded guilty to a Class B felony, it’s something he can’t have expunged from his record which would basically screw him on trying to get any non-UFC job at the very least. All internet sponsored knowledge so don’t take me too seriously.
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Noted
(inserts 800th prison rape joke).
I don't want to say he's dirty, but Forrest Griffin looks like directly after a workout his crotch might resemble a cajun swamp.
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by Fake Emcee on Jan 3, 2011 11:33 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
LOL
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 3, 2011 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
rec this
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He probably had the case beat
But before the judge gave him the decision, he gave up and just said “I’m guilty.”
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by joker24 on Jan 3, 2011 10:38 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Five seconds later
“No, I never said that.”
by crazybones on Jan 3, 2011 10:40 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
So uh...can I become penpals with him while he's in prison?
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by Austin Martin on Jan 3, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
Can Zuffa employ a felon guilty of money laundering and keep their gaming license?
When in Rome we shall do as the Romans, when in Hell we do shots at the bar.
It might be an unusual situation, if only because Zuffa employees are independent contractors. Or would that not change things?
I read they had concerns with M1 for the same reason but I’m not sure if it is business or individual based
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by Barack Lesnar on Jan 3, 2011 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
not “same reason” but yeah too late
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by Barack Lesnar on Jan 3, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
yeah that was because of the co-promotion
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by Austin Martin on Jan 3, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
couple things
1) zuffa doesn’t have a gaming license. that’s station casinos. separate entity.
2) independent contractors are not employees.
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by Austin Martin on Jan 3, 2011 10:44 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I used to think you were cool.... :P
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by TheFilt on Jan 3, 2011 10:45 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
haha well i’m sorry to burst your bubble, but my boys are coming for #18 and Kobe tries to hard to be Jordan
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by Austin Martin on Jan 3, 2011 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
5 rings
you sucks
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Kobe has ring(s)
The s indicates the plural form of the word ring.
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by VeeisAnimated on Jan 4, 2011 12:17 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
troll
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by RolloTomasi on Jan 4, 2011 2:42 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
They watchin' 2 girls 1 cup on the jumbotron.
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Dana White just sent a note to Anderson Silva
“THANK YOU FOR KNOWING BJJ AND HOW TO SUBMIT PEOPLE FROM YOUR BACK”
Seriously, how bad would this look right now if Sonnen was the UFC champ?
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by Cory Braiterman on Jan 3, 2011 10:42 PM EST reply actions
i see conspiracy involving Chael making a ton of money for losing.
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by Austin Martin on Jan 3, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
can you imagine
there were stories that kimbo had his boys bet shit tons offshore against him in the petruzelli fight.
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by Cory Braiterman on Jan 3, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
Let's not try to spin this into something compementary for Chael.
I don't want to say he's dirty, but Forrest Griffin looks like directly after a workout his crotch might resemble a cajun swamp.
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The only people it really looks bad to is New York Legislation
Just more ammo for them not to sanction MMA in their state.
that's the wrong angle on this story
athletes do bad things. donte stallworth drove drunk and killed a pedestrian. says nothing about football.
Not for Bob fucking Reilly.
Assclown uses anything and everything he can to prevent the rest of the Assembly from even getting the idea to take a look at regulating this multi-billion dollar industry that all the other states are getting revenue from.
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If the NY legislature had the hard on you are imagining for people committing this crime, the UFC would probably be about 289,000th on the list of people for them to go after.
Thus far Bob Reilly has been able to lobby his fellow lawmakers to kill the process that would bring the issue of MMA up for serious discussion and a decision to legalize or not. Due in considerable part to his nonsensical stance, perhaps the second largest metropolitan area interest in MMA cannot put on legal fights..
This is one more brick for his idiotic wall between legalization and the democratic process.
I live in NY, so I’m aware of what the NY Legislature is after. At least, Espada and Monserrate aren’t around to ooze their particularly noxious slime around anymore.
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Chael Sonnen..
Makes Lee Murray look like Mother Teresa.
they are both UFC Middleweights, let’s all jump to a conclusion about how MWs are prone to be criminals
Sonnen didn’t take anything. He helped facilitate money laundering and wire fraud.
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yea, because mother theresa’s method of doing something awful would definitely be the one with guns and hostages.
No. Lee Murray makes Sonnen look like a pansy. go for the gold. although sonnen still has most of his freedom, and Murray has 25 years in the clink. oh well
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by eastcoastatlas on Jan 3, 2011 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
http://www.oregonlive.com/business/index.ssf/2011/01/chael_sonnen_former_uo_wrestle.html
As part of his plea deal, Sonnen agreed to give up his Realtor’s license and pay a $10,000 fine, said Michelle Holman Kerin, the assistant U.S. attorney handling the case.
Not afraid to nitpick
that’s probably the extent of his punishment, along with some kind of probabtion
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Not sure about that
They wouldn’t want to waste their time with a sentencing hearing if there wasn’t more shit to hand down.
Not afraid to nitpick
But I thought contradictions taste good ?
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by dgonz on Jan 3, 2011 10:54 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
its official
he’s an awful human being. I don’t care have far he took Silva, the UFC needs to get out of the Chael Sonnen business now. There’s playing a bad guy and really being a criminal.
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I guess they should cut Leben and Rampage too huh, since they put lives in danger with their little stunts
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by Noah'sArk on Jan 3, 2011 10:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Leben should go to jail for 10 years
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by Austin Martin on Jan 3, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
just because they weren’t charged, doesn’t change the fact they willingly endangered the lives of others and very well could have killed someone. You cannot argue that. They were lucky they didn’t actually hit someone because you can bet your ass they would have been charged.
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by Noah'sArk on Jan 3, 2011 10:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Is it a coincidence that the only people to take the fight to AS are criminals?
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Ryo Chonnan probably has a couple of bodies buried under his basement then.
I don't want to say he's dirty, but Forrest Griffin looks like directly after a workout his crotch might resemble a cajun swamp.
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I hear he deals yayo.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 3, 2011 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
I guess Chael Sonnen is gonna' sell his kids to slavery to escape jail time.
And Dana White was the one that drove them to the sweat shop.
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by Ryan Tical on Jan 3, 2011 10:48 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Shit....
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Sonnen is an embarrassment to our sport
If he is convicted, which seems he will be, as he admitted guilt, Dana should cut him loose. I mean seriously. Now MMA is a sport in which white criminals headline? And he cheated in his last fight too. Come on Dana.
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by SheepleBuster on Jan 3, 2011 10:56 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
So he should not have a place in the UFC in my opinion
At least, he should get some ban. I mean if this happened in NFL, what would Roger Goddy do?
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by SheepleBuster on Jan 3, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
Chael took failed the drug test on purpose
as a favour to Dana knowing that the UFC needed an excuse not to book him for a fight. Just a guess. Smart.
are we seriously discussing this?
This guy is a White criminal and busted for drugs too. Seriously now
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by SheepleBuster on Jan 3, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
white collar** forgive my mistakes. haha
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by SheepleBuster on Jan 3, 2011 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
Not defending Chael because there is nothing to defend, but Rampage and Leben could have killed somebody with their actions. Big difference IMO
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and I could have gotten hit by a bus walking home last night
but people like Sonnen have hurt our financial system by taking advantage.
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by SheepleBuster on Jan 3, 2011 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
really, you’re going to try and compare walking home and getting hit through no fault of your own with Rampage driving recklessly all over to the point he was involved in a police chase and could have knowingly hit an innocent person and possibly killed them or Leben getting drunk and possibly killing someone behind the wheel as the same thing? C’mon now
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I have a crazy theory
They should do the same time as anyone of us would if we were caught in the same situation
by Papercut Elbow on Jan 3, 2011 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
we are not dealing with could have should have here man. come on
This guy DID it. No could or should. He freaking committed a very serious crime. Up to 20 years in jail. He is lucky he is getting 2 year probation.
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by SheepleBuster on Jan 3, 2011 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
if that's his sentence
who are you to bestow additional punishment? you’re demanding he be cut from the UFC
I am not in a position to demand. I think he should be though for the
sake of our sport. Dana will do what wants. He ain’t listening to me and you
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by SheepleBuster on Jan 3, 2011 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
for the sake of our sport?
bad things happen, in every industry, all the time.
the justin levens murder/suicide was the worst possible thing… and the sport was just fine
I still don’t see the comparison between stealing money and putting peoples lives in danger. There’s no defending what Page or Leben did, just as there is no defending Chael. There’s a reason why DUI laws are so serious and the penalties can be so severe and that’s because people can get KILLED.
I’m just pointing out the double standards from some fans about how Chael should be cut because he’s a criminal who stole money, while guys like Leben and Page, despite getting off because of a screwed up legal system, put innocent lives in danger throught their actions are employed without a fuss
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13
What about them?
This has nothing to do with Leben or Rampage. I am not advocating drunk driving or insanity nor that crime overshadows another. However, Chael is the biggest douche in MMA who has been walking a thin line for the past 9 months. This is merely icing on the cake.
I hope the Judge throws the book at him.
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by Ryan Tical on Jan 3, 2011 11:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
point is, Rampage should be able to fight
Sonnen should be able to fight.
This conviction is their punishment.
DW is not a federal judge.
Dang it. I made the same mistake. haha
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by SheepleBuster on Jan 3, 2011 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
I totally agree he needs to get cut
Enough is enough he shouldve just kept his mouth shut.
by Papercut Elbow on Jan 3, 2011 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
All this talk about him going to jail is baseless speculation. Jackson and Leben should both be in jail but are not due to Dana White. Sonnen has powerful friends at UFC he is still one of their top draws and spokesmen. He changed the way UFC promotes PPVs with his innovated prowrestling style shoots (trash talk). No one is Dana White or the UFC going to turn their backs on this cash cow.
Sonnen pleaded guilty so he is probably going to get a slap on the wrist. We will be seeing him fight in March and i bet we will be seeing him fight the winner of Belfort/Silva end of this year.
Sonnen has powerful friends at UFC he is still one of their top draws and spokesmen
He isn’t a draw and is a terrible spokesman for the company and sport.
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by David Bixenspan on Jan 3, 2011 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
You say “He isn’t a draw” so authoritatively….
UFC 117 pulled some damn good numbers, considering Anderson’s prior performance. How can you say he’s not a draw like it’s some proven fact.
Any racist/xenophobic/homophobic douchebag doing the same interviews would’ve drawn the same buys from racist/xenophobic/homophobic douchebags who make up too much of UFC’s fanbase and wanted to see him beat up the black foreigner who dresses like a stereotypical gay guy (by American standards, not Brazillian standards) and dances like one of those black gay fellas. That and people who wanted to see Silva kill him for the same reasons. Chael Sonnen isn’t a draw, racism is.
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by David Bixenspan on Jan 3, 2011 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
And it wasn’t THAT big a jump by UFC standards.
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by David Bixenspan on Jan 3, 2011 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
I never understood how he saw Anderson as a ghetto thug
The guy has glasses speaks quietly and wears polos
by Papercut Elbow on Jan 3, 2011 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
Because Silva is black and Sonnen is a racist.
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by David Bixenspan on Jan 3, 2011 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
Neither did Sonnen, at least not considerably.
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by David Bixenspan on Jan 3, 2011 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
Anderson's beat that twice
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 3, 2011 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
Who cares?
The most realistic predictions before the show were around 600k because it was considered the upper limit for a Silva fight at that point. Sonnen’s douchebaggery may have helped them get there, but not close to as much as you’re saying. Also, what SC said below.
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by David Bixenspan on Jan 3, 2011 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
Because, as I said: The most realistic predictions before the show were around 600k because it was considered the upper limit for a Silva fight at that point. It hit that number.
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by David Bixenspan on Jan 3, 2011 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
Roy Nelson is a draw, a lot of my friends ask about the "fat dude"
It was after a string of 3 great PPVs in a row, it benefitted from the “Lesnar push”. It had two number 1 contender’s matches on it.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 3, 2011 11:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
your friends are statistically insignificant
So are you.
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by David Bixenspan on Jan 3, 2011 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
Roy has a lot of fans
He got one of the bigger reactions at UFC 117.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 3, 2011 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
Clay Guida isn't a top 10 fighter
Clay Guida wasn’t seen by millions each week.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 3, 2011 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
name 10 LW in the UFC over clay guida
and clay fought on 3 fight nights and two TUF finale
wrong on all accounts. step it up, son.
George S.
Kenny F.
Evan D.
Sean S.
Jim Miller
BJ Penn
Anthony Pettis
Kurt P.
Gray Maynard
Frankie Edgar
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 3, 2011 11:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
reaching
… on that Kurt P, Jim Miller, Anthony Pettis tip
does Pettis even have a top-15 win, in your book?
Bendo was in my top 15 when he beat him
I’d still rank Bendo over Clap.
Plus I said top 10, not top 10 in the UFC, but he’s still just out of reach.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 3, 2011 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
Clay Guida also doesn’t play his stomach like Kamala. Roy Nelson plays his stomach like Kamala. Kamala broke box office records during his feud with Hulk Hogan in late ‘86-early ’87, beating the Hogan-Paul Orndroff feud in many cities. Ergo Roy Nelson is clearly one of UFC’s top draws.
I’m not kidding.
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by David Bixenspan on Jan 3, 2011 11:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Just like Sonnen was just “working” in his interviews? Clearly a person of his character would never hate blacks, gays, and foreigners.
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by David Bixenspan on Jan 3, 2011 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
this is a strawman
are you trying to goad me into defending chael sonnen’s character?
we can continue to discuss his drawing power, if you’d like
No, just wanted to reference it again because it annoyed me independent of anything you said.
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by David Bixenspan on Jan 3, 2011 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
Like hell he did
There are several reasons why UFC 117 did 600K (which wasn’t that great of a number, Anderson has drawn better than that twice).
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 3, 2011 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
An appeal to class
This man, guilty of money laundering, does not deserve the right to fight another man in a cage on TV!
He is still a draw. Silva vs Sonnen II is probably one of the most anticipated matches still. This storyline and his testosterone controversy only increase the storyline and drama. The PPV buys would be through the roof. AND having someone with this much hardship and then overcoming it and possibly winning is a great underdog plotline. And underdogs are always great spokesmen for any an all sports.
The rematch (if it ever happens) might/should/could draw, who knows if it will if it happens?
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by David Bixenspan on Jan 3, 2011 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
if the UFC promoted it right....
Chael Sonnen, the cheating white-collar real estate criminal has conned Dana White and the Fertittas into one last shot at the title… can Anderson Silva save the day?
That's...actually brilliant.
And they team up with the arrogant champion they used to hate and wanted out of the way because he couldn’t be controlled…
LOL. "Hey Anderson, remember all the shit we talked? We need you to help us out"
LOL
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 3, 2011 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
But how great of a PROWRESTLING storyline would that be?
It’s McMahon and Stone Cold all over again. Anderson can show up to the octagon in a truck and spray Caipirinha over everyone!
Is Sonnen trying to marry Dana's kid?
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 3, 2011 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
IT'S ME SILVA! IT WAS ME ALL THE TIME
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 3, 2011 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
EVEN MY IMMEDIATE FAMILY BOUGHT IT!
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by David Bixenspan on Jan 3, 2011 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
AW SONOFABITCH
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 3, 2011 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
Dad…Shane…how could you be so cruel to me?
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by David Bixenspan on Jan 3, 2011 11:48 PM EST up reply actions
We need a new President
Maybe someone with a new dress code…maybe a little pink shirts?
Maybe someone who likes to curse a little.
Maybe someone who likes to dance around the ring.
(Dana gulps)
The new President is…ANDERSON SILVA
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 3, 2011 11:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
bwahaha
his shit talking campaign generated one of the UFC’s largest pay day!!!
no draw my ass
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his shit talking campaign generated one of the UFC’s largest pay day!!!
Ok then, rank it among the biggest UFCs.
And it wasn’t shit-talking, it was racist bullshit.
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by David Bixenspan on Jan 3, 2011 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
It wasn't even the 5th biggest this year. Try again.
Hell, It was barely in the top 10. GSP’s two, Lesnar’s two, UFC 114, UFC 115 were all bigger.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 3, 2011 11:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It's like some Jedi mind trick
Chael waved his hand in front of everybody’s face and now they think he’s the UFC’s top draw.
I don't want to say he's dirty, but Forrest Griffin looks like directly after a workout his crotch might resemble a cajun swamp.
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"Chael drew a million buys"
LOL, that was a funny day.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 3, 2011 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
It was funnier when we found out that UFC’s top draw has no idea who Chael is.
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by David Bixenspan on Jan 3, 2011 11:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It was even funnier that we found out how fake he was when he hired plants to be in the audience to feed him fake questions
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 3, 2011 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
Gotta read my shit maaaan
http://www.watchkalibrun.com/2010/9/16/1693469/ufc-fighter-chael-sonnen-said-to
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 4, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Chael Sonnen = reality is crazier than fiction....
Who do we pitch the idea for the made-for-TV movie?
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Whatever his name is he makes horrible movies this would b right up his alley
by Bloodsport on Jan 3, 2011 11:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Uwe Bole
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by Ryan Tical on Jan 3, 2011 11:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He hasn’t come out of hiding since Seanbaby tried to take him up on the boxing challenge he issued
I rarely tweet
I less-rarely write
"I ain't having it" - Buster Posey, hosing folks down
Didn’t Lindland make a movie? Lets hope the producer wasn’t Big Al’s Plumbing
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by Barack Lesnar on Jan 3, 2011 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
Jesus
If it was raining pussy, Chael would get hit with a dick. His own damn fault.
by Bloodsport on Jan 3, 2011 11:00 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Lmfao.
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by Ryan Tical on Jan 3, 2011 11:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Only good thing is he pleaded guilty and saved us some money
"Of course, that's just my opinion, I could be wrong." - Dennis Miller
Fuckin Chael, I'm trying to stay a fan of yours but could you make it any more fucking difficult?
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by dgonz on Jan 3, 2011 11:04 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
he was stealing from the rich and giving to the poor
he’s like robin hood
i love this guy
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by Johnathan Willis on Jan 3, 2011 11:05 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
we are not relation sir
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by Johnathan Willis on Jan 3, 2011 11:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He's the reverse Robin Hood actually
Stealing From The Poor And Giving To The Rich
by Rob Young on Jan 3, 2011 11:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
nah he was stealin from the bank to give a kickback to a buyer
i suppose he was stealin for the rich and giving to the middle class
but you get the point
truly though you shouldnt pay too much attention to the things you say i am making light of the situation simply because i dont care if hes a con man so long as he fights
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by Johnathan Willis on Jan 3, 2011 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
fail
truly though you shouldnt pay too much attention to the things you say truly though you shouldnt pay too much attention to the things you say
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by Johnathan Willis on Jan 3, 2011 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
fail again
truly though you shouldnt pay too much attention to the things you say truly though you shouldnt pay too much attention to the things I say
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by Johnathan Willis on Jan 3, 2011 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
hahaha
drink much?
I won my fantasy football leauge, so I'm kind of awsome...kind of.
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Nobody was stolen from
The plumbing company was paid a portion to facilitate the kickback deal, unless the buyers put less than the $60K down AND walked on the mortgage, who exactly was stolen from?
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by The American Ronin on Jan 4, 2011 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
I'm so happy I could dance
"He embodies this cultural shift that we have and it really started with Dr.Dre selling us NWA and selling us the culture of gangster is cool, Yeah gangster is cool in a way to watch a movie. But being gangster is just being a little kid. And starting a big brawl because, What? I talked some shit to your homie, that is just ghetto and that thing is what embodies what is wrong with america right now" Jason "mayhem" Miller on Nick Diaz
by Blue22AMD on Jan 3, 2011 11:07 PM EST reply actions 11 recs
Screamin Norman Smiley will forever get recs
by IRodC on Jan 3, 2011 11:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Found this one.......Happenings in the chael jail!!
"He embodies this cultural shift that we have and it really started with Dr.Dre selling us NWA and selling us the culture of gangster is cool, Yeah gangster is cool in a way to watch a movie. But being gangster is just being a little kid. And starting a big brawl because, What? I talked some shit to your homie, that is just ghetto and that thing is what embodies what is wrong with america right now" Jason "mayhem" Miller on Nick Diaz
by Blue22AMD on Jan 3, 2011 11:57 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
imagine what this guy typed into google to find this
by kellly on Jan 3, 2011 11:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
screamin norman smiley is what I put
"He embodies this cultural shift that we have and it really started with Dr.Dre selling us NWA and selling us the culture of gangster is cool, Yeah gangster is cool in a way to watch a movie. But being gangster is just being a little kid. And starting a big brawl because, What? I talked some shit to your homie, that is just ghetto and that thing is what embodies what is wrong with america right now" Jason "mayhem" Miller on Nick Diaz
A likely story....
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by RolloTomasi on Jan 4, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Would Chael be more offended that he’s getting raped by a man or getting raped by a black man from EUROPE?
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by David Bixenspan on Jan 3, 2011 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
If he's European, it ain't rape.
Its barely second base.
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by TheFilt on Jan 4, 2011 12:45 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Well played sir...
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by The American Ronin on Jan 4, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
Let's see Sonnen try and talk his way out've getting his butthole "reemed" out by Big Tyrone & Bubba.
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by Ryan Tical on Jan 3, 2011 11:07 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Like I said... reemed out.
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by Ryan Tical on Jan 3, 2011 11:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Chael is a naughty boy
but let’s be real
This office will continue to aggressively prosecute real estate professionals who committed the mortgage fraud that contributed to this country’s economic downturn
what a load of shit!
Financial institutions ripped off American home owners, and not the other way around.
All Chael did was get his client, a home buyer a better deal. Sonnen is far from a Bernie Madoff, just a roque realtor.
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Uhh many American home owners were remarkably stupid in their ability to think they could pay back a mortgage
“Predatory lending” can often be spun “buyer too stupid to understand basic finance and current income level.” Not always, but often.
Not afraid to nitpick
uhhhh if a lender gives a guy a loan
knowing he will never be able to pay it off, it’s predatory lending. Regardless of the prey being stupid or not.
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Not really
If there’s a 90% chance they can pay it off, is that predatory lending? Those are the type of “sub-prime loans” you hear about, and that’s about the rate banks thought people would be able to pay back. Banks don’t make money when they know someone can’t pay off a loan (except in rare cases), they aren’t that dumb. Problem was easy money made the sub-prime market the most profitable mortgages to make (so long as prices didn’t fall) and everyone jumped in on what they thought were 90% chance of payback loans that were more profitable…..except the sheer volume influenced that default rate.
And then that 10% chance of failure needs to be priced into any security, but these were being priced in the derivatives as though everything was AAA—-or less than 1% chance of failure.
To avoid more of a very long story, to say “financial institutions ripped off American home owners” is WAY, way one-sided oversimplifying an incredibly complex issue.
Not afraid to nitpick
But you could say that whatever agency made the money ‘easy’ is probably at the source of it.
KILL THE FEDERAL RESERVE!!!
There, I said it. I knew I’d get a chance in here somewhere if I hung out long enough.
Haha I was trying not to get too political...
Though personally I wouldn’t say KILL THE FED myself, but “FOR FUCKS SAKE FIRE THE GUYS WHO HAVE GOTTEN THE TECH BUBBLE AND HOUSING BUBBLE HOPELESSLY WRONG HOW MANY FUCK UPS DOES IT TAKE FOR A THEORY TO BE PROVED INCOMPETENT”, though that’s a little more verbose.
Not afraid to nitpick
Banks make TONS of money on loans that don't get paid off
It is the very essence of banking. Late fees, adjustable interest, short sales and selling loans rated as reliable while there was barely a credit check. Getting your mortgage rate adjusted costs THOUSANDS.
But more to the point: The prosecutor pontificated that guys like sonnen caused the economic downfall, which is simply not true.
Sonnen deceived a title company by freeing up money, saying it was to fix plumbing, but in stead giving it back to the buyer. Big deal.
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It is the very essence of banking. Late fees, adjustable interest, short sales and selling loans rated as reliable while there was barely a credit check. Getting your mortgage rate adjusted costs THOUSANDS
I kinda bolded the key there, but the re-packaging isn’t screwing the homeowners directly technically. That’s more dicking the investors. And all the other stuff is from people sorta kinda paying off the mortgage, not the “no chance of much of any payback, actually predatory” type stuff, and that again is often people being stupid. The terms are there in the contract, and if you are buying a house, read the fucking contract.
Predatory lending IMO is #1 actually lying to people about the terms of the deal and/or penalties or #2 actually hoping the people absolutely don’t pay off the mortgage after a few years, so they get to foreclose on the house and sell it for more than the remaining balance on the loan.
Not afraid to nitpick
This is true
Where the fuck was the Attorney General when banks were duping and targeting low-income families? Chael is a lot of things but what he did wasn’t responsible for the bubble or the collapse… not to say he might of got away with much shadier shit.
Banks (and mortgage companies)
Have long since packaged and sold said loans by the time they default. The agreements vary, but in general the only ones they were forced to buy back are those where the buyer never made any payments.
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by The American Ronin on Jan 4, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
To avoid more of a very long story, to say "financial institutions ripped off American home owners" is WAY, way one-sided oversimplifying an incredibly complex issue.
To say financial institutions (aided by the ratings agencies) ripped of the purchasers of their bonds and CDOs (who should have known better) would be far more accurate…
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by The American Ronin on Jan 4, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
These types of "white collar" crimes never get the deserved punishment as the typical robbery or assault
Wonder what they’ll do when they see he’s a (soon to be released) UFC star?
Charlie Whitehurst is our savior.
It all makes sense now..
He took the testosterone as a favour to Dana White so that the UFC could save face and have an excuse not to book him for a fight for 6 months.
Chael Sonnen's fate in prison
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by Noah'sArk on Jan 3, 2011 11:18 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Chael Sonnen aka Chael Funk?
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by Ryan Tical on Jan 3, 2011 11:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Chael should just pull an Edwin Valero
And call it a day…
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by Ryan Tical on Jan 3, 2011 11:22 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Seriously
that is a STRONG statement, he might as well tell him to Benoit himself too.
I don't want to say he's dirty, but Forrest Griffin looks like directly after a workout his crotch might resemble a cajun swamp.
http://twitter.com/FakeEmcee
http://www.unintelligentdefense.blogspot.com/
cant have that my friend
but lets make jokes about chael getting raped in prison. rape is much funnier!
"Live fast, die." ~ GG Allin
That wasn't really much of a joke...
I don't want to say he's dirty, but Forrest Griffin looks like directly after a workout his crotch might resemble a cajun swamp.
http://twitter.com/FakeEmcee
http://www.unintelligentdefense.blogspot.com/
Is this too much?
"He embodies this cultural shift that we have and it really started with Dr.Dre selling us NWA and selling us the culture of gangster is cool, Yeah gangster is cool in a way to watch a movie. But being gangster is just being a little kid. And starting a big brawl because, What? I talked some shit to your homie, that is just ghetto and that thing is what embodies what is wrong with america right now" Jason "mayhem" Miller on Nick Diaz
by Blue22AMD on Jan 4, 2011 5:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Who's he?
A wrestler I’m guessing?
I won my fantasy football leauge, so I'm kind of awsome...kind of.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Benoit
"He embodies this cultural shift that we have and it really started with Dr.Dre selling us NWA and selling us the culture of gangster is cool, Yeah gangster is cool in a way to watch a movie. But being gangster is just being a little kid. And starting a big brawl because, What? I talked some shit to your homie, that is just ghetto and that thing is what embodies what is wrong with america right now" Jason "mayhem" Miller on Nick Diaz
From Helwani’s tweet… third paragraph:
The government is recommending Sonnen be sentenced to two years of probation.
Recommending. The judge hasn't said yes.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 3, 2011 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
How often do judges not do what is agreed to?
Why would he make a plea deal if he is going to get serious jail time anyway?
That 20 years is in there for when they catch someone named Gotti laundering money, not someone who got caught screwing around with 70k.
It happens more than you think
Less often in federal court, but you’d be surprised. I’d have to look at the judge’s record.
You make a plea deal with the prosecution (i.e. the gov’t). The judge still has to sign off on the plea.
I’m not saying a judge would make him go away for 20 or some shit like that, but it’s possible a judge gives him a small amount of jail time.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 3, 2011 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
He will be fine.
Based on my experiences working in and around the legal system this is completely normal and he won’t see any jail time. The prosecutors know the judges. They aren’t going to work out a plea knowing that this particular judge will just throw it out.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 4, 2011 12:55 AM EST up reply actions
So he didn't know about the scheme but the guys he worked for did
and were taking kickbacks on housing maintenance costs.
Is that right or am I reading the story wrong?
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by Jeremy Couturier on Jan 3, 2011 11:33 PM EST reply actions
Chael Sonnen confuses me so much
At first I hated him, then I decided I kind of liked him, and now I don’t know what to think. I’ll tell you this though, I still want to see a Silva rematch, MMA puritans be damned.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
I think it's fair now to ask if Chael Sonnen is mentally ill.
How can someone be such a consistently brazen cheater and liar?
by jpayne on Jan 3, 2011 11:34 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Some people are just terrible human beings. Chael Sonnen is one of them.
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by David Bixenspan on Jan 3, 2011 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
entertaining though
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Jan 3, 2011 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
Chael Sonnen has more lives than a cat
Dude has repeatedly cheated, is a blatant liar, and racist
YET some people still want to give him the benefit of the doubt on whether or not he is a good guy. All i know is a snake is a snake, no matter how nice they are in person
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I like the half-metaphor-half-not-metaphor there.
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I hope he’s one of those prisoners who gets an illegal cell phone like Charles Manson, so he can call up and do MMA interviews from prison and talk about how he’s going to beat Anderson Silva again….OH, wait…I guess THAT’S not happening……..EVER!
I hope he’s one of those prisoners who gets an illegal cell phone like Charles Manson
Or Ryan O’Reilly.
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by David Bixenspan on Jan 3, 2011 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
but he is!
Sonnen is the ultimate heel. In a world of bland robot mma fighters, this is gold Jerry gold!!! Sonnen will become the Vick of MMA.
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by Jeremy Couturier on Jan 3, 2011 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
Vick? As in Michael Vick?
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by Earl Montclair on Jan 3, 2011 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
Vick…no idea what i meant there. Beer mulligan.
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by Jeremy Couturier on Jan 4, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
As the Realtor
He would have likely played a relatively small role in this one…
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by The American Ronin on Jan 4, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
Chael is stupid for pleading guilty. He should have pleaded the
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by Earl Montclair on Jan 3, 2011 11:48 PM EST reply actions 8 recs
My favorite part is when they are interrogating the white guy and the cop goes:
“Did somebody just take a piss in here?”
and the guy says, crying:
“It was me…..I peed.”
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by Earl Montclair on Jan 3, 2011 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
I love it when the cop takes the stand and spouts false statements and then finishes it with
“Oh, and her wife threw here titties in my hand.”
And the guy says:
“You grabbed her titties….I saw you!!”
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by SSreporters on Jan 3, 2011 11:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
One of Bill Burr's best roles
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"Shut that fuckin' dog up!"
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Didn't he used to talk about promising his dad...
That he would win the title? Maybe a better promise would have been to obey the law and not take roids. What a fool.
by trips71 on Jan 3, 2011 11:53 PM EST via mobile reply actions
well ill be god damned
huh…… dont know what to say here
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Supposedly Sonnen v Akiyama in Newark
Sonnen would kill him. Goodbye Akiyama if the fight goes through :(
I’ve been overwhelmed and I’ve been underwhelmed. Can I ever just be whelmed?
I guess we know how Dana feels about Chael's recent troubles
He gets a bounce back fight against Sexyama.
Sexyama is going to get smothered and beaten by Chael
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Steroid test, suspension, now a federal crime
The only reason he’s being kept is how big a draw he was at 117.
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No
he’s just not as valuable as you’re trying to make him out to be.
I don't want to say he's dirty, but Forrest Griffin looks like directly after a workout his crotch might resemble a cajun swamp.
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I never said he's "worthless"
I said he wasn’t a big draw. He’s probably the 2nd or 3rd biggest MW draw. Then again, that’s not saying much.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 4, 2011 12:29 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Here's the thing about it
people really only have the one event to even try to measure this by. Maybe if Chael hadn’t gotten popped for steroids and was in another event afterward, we’d have some more conclusive evidence.
I don't want to say he's dirty, but Forrest Griffin looks like directly after a workout his crotch might resemble a cajun swamp.
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If the PPV had been more than 700 or so, then I'd have more faith in Sonnen as a "big draw"
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 4, 2011 12:56 AM EST up reply actions
most of his value is potential buys
600k is the FLOOR for the rematch. do you understand?
it’s like you understand things only at a superficial level.
The rematch is dead bro.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 4, 2011 8:43 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
oh you know that’s all they’re thinking about is the potential draw of the Chael/Anderson remactch
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I'll buy it.
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by Earl Montclair on Jan 4, 2011 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
When I think of it
Chael would’ve never gotten the chance to be a big draw if Nate Marquardt had simply choked him out like he was supposed to.
Therefore, in a roundabout way I can find a way to blame someone named Nate.
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by SSreporters on Jan 4, 2011 12:09 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
It was weird that Sonnen got that fight in the first place, I think.
Borderline #1 contender Marquardt beat Maia beat Sonnen… Therefore Sonnen vs Marquardt.
Go look at other sports bigger than MMA.
This is nothing compared to what others have gotten away with. How about manslaughter? You think that is worse?
I don't hate Chael or anything, but this has been one of my favorite threads in a while.
Seriously though, Chael could run off and join Al Qaeda and people will still say “Well it is pretty messed up that he’s a terrorist now, but I hope he can still tweet from Bin Laden’s cave.”
I don't want to say he's dirty, but Forrest Griffin looks like directly after a workout his crotch might resemble a cajun swamp.
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by Fake Emcee on Jan 4, 2011 12:01 AM EST reply actions 6 recs
I would love to watch Chael rant in some dingy cave on poor quality video
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by Earl Montclair on Jan 4, 2011 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
“Anderson, I may be the suicide bomber but you’re still the one that blows. You wouldn’t last one minute in my desert, we’d take one look at your pink hat and earnings and chase you out of our cave with rocks. You’re a fraud and an infidel, and as soon as Osama get’s done giving me my injections and moves out of the way this gangster from Afghanistan is gonna beat you blacker and blue.”
I don't want to say he's dirty, but Forrest Griffin looks like directly after a workout his crotch might resemble a cajun swamp.
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by Fake Emcee on Jan 4, 2011 12:12 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Yushin’s Room just became Osama’s Room.
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by Earl Montclair on Jan 4, 2011 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
^this
Excuse my emotional, reactionary, fanatic output but Pettis will be the next UFC lightweight champion. Period.
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by VeeisAnimated on Jan 4, 2011 8:58 AM EST up reply actions
Absolutely uproarious
The legend of Chael Sonnen, Oregon gangster, grows by the day.
by zY on Jan 4, 2011 12:04 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
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by The Blackula on Jan 4, 2011 2:09 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
The sad part is, Chael probably just made himself a bigger star because of all this
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Chael is gonna test positive for Teflon after his next fight.
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by Earl Montclair on Jan 4, 2011 12:05 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
So let me get this straight...
Chael avoids a long suspension and avoids getting jail time but yet can’t avoid getting caught in an obvious oncoming triangle choke?
by Joselana on Jan 4, 2011 12:08 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
If the govt really wants to get this guy they just need to throw their legs up.
by zY on Jan 4, 2011 12:09 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Chael will use the Lesnar’s leg-lock defense by saying he gave that choke to Anderson
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F'ing Rosenthal not realizing I was throwing punches and not tapping....
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I don't want to say he's dirty, but Forrest Griffin looks like directly after a workout his crotch might resemble a cajun swamp.
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by Earl Montclair on Jan 4, 2011 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
I think Sexy should drop down to Welterweight
He’s got no chance against the big boys.
I’ve been overwhelmed and I’ve been underwhelmed. Can I ever just be whelmed?
he sure is collecting big checks though.
3 UFC Fights – 3 FOTN bonus checks.
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by Earl Montclair on Jan 4, 2011 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
Because he's ridiculously easy to hit
If Bisping had a semblance of power he’d have been knocked out.
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If Leben couldn't do it Bisping could never do it
Not even if he went Margarito on his hand wraps
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by Earl Montclair on Jan 4, 2011 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
Hell, Akiyama has only been KO'd twice
Once by a nasty and illegal kick by Misaki. The other was against 6’3, 260 pound Jerome Le Banner in only his second MMA bout.
Guy has a chin lol
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I think he’d do really well at WW, as long as he cuts properly and doesn’t go into a fight at WW with a stupid gameplan like he did against Bisping. That performance by Sexyama pissed me off so bad.
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He gasses at 185 dont need to cut more weight and gas even faster.
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by Tokyo Sandblaster on Jan 4, 2011 8:30 AM EST up reply actions
No reason
he would gas faster if he cuts properly…
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by The American Ronin on Jan 4, 2011 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
I seriously don’t know why he hasn’t at this point, unless Dana asked him for one more fight at MW so he could feed him to Chael
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13
From what everybody has been saying
Japanese fighters aren’t accustomed to cutting weight.
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Imagine when dana calls chael tomorrow morning
“F****in’ money laundering?”
“Oh hey Dana, what was that? Yeah, super busy – training hard to beat the foreig-”
Then Fertitta gets on the line and reminds Dana about their family history.
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by ImmortalTechnique92 on Jan 4, 2011 12:35 AM EST up reply actions
I’m just doing some Sentencing Guideline napkin math here, but the offense level for theft of 69,000 dollars is 13. Add 8 for money laundering, and you are looking at a offense level of 21. Assuming Chael is a first time offender, that would put in him 37-46 months of jail time. If the prosecution is recommending two years of probation, that’s almost certainly because Chael is cooperating with the prosecutors. The fact that he pleaded guilty only two weeks after being charged in an information is also strongly suggest Chael cooperated.
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Answers, please.
1.) What exactly did Chael do?
2.) Now that we know he has a deal, chances he faces actual jail time?
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1) it seems he brokered a fake real estate sale, which gave a 65k kickback to his mother’s plumbing company
2) the government is recommending 2 years probation, 10k fine, and revocation of his real estate license. it is a plea deal.
Not at all
This is a roundabout way of kicking money back from the seller to the buyer. Nothing more, nothing less, and frankly nothing all that unusual (although illegal).
The portion of the money that went to the plumbing company (less than $5K) is simply a fee for participating in the deal.
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by The American Ronin on Jan 4, 2011 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
2 years prob. and 10000?
bullshit, send his ass to the slammer
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Maybe I'll start a Twitter campaign to his judge. LOL
I’m kidding
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 4, 2011 1:04 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Merry...
Fucking New Year, Chael!! Hope you’ve got some lubricant at hand, son, ‘cause it’s gonna BURN!
by Unabomberman on Jan 4, 2011 1:09 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Sonnen vs Akiyama...
…what the hell?
Akiyama has the most bizarre fight progression I’ve seen in the UFC. Usually when guys lose fights they get easier matchups, and get steps up in competition when they win. It’s been the exact opposite for him.
beats Alan Belcher > loses to Chris Leben (I guess this is debatable) > loses to top 10 Bisping > faces #2 middleweight Sonnen
I think this happens when Dana wants to justify cutting a guy so he sets a guy up to lose his third in a row. I could see Akiyama being gone after this. Probably the same reason why Kris McCray is getting matched up with John Hathaway.
It's also a stylistic nightmare for Chael.
It’s a compelling stylistic matchup that’ll make for a good fight. It also has a great narrative. The greaser vs the juicer/money launderer.
by Rob Young on Jan 4, 2011 2:12 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
dono man
I think Chael parties in Sexyama’s guard.
Yeah, that match doesn’t make sense.
Akiyama barely beat Belcher. He was ripe easy pickings for Bisping.
HE HAS NO CHANCE AGAINST SONNEN.
I guess Akiyama is on his way out the door.
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by VeeisAnimated on Jan 4, 2011 9:02 AM EST up reply actions
Mortgage fraud is punishable by up to 20 years of jail and he gets off with probation.
White Collar Crime- Steal $100,000. get probation
Black Collar Crime- Steal $10, get 10 years in prison
by Sokonojudo on Jan 4, 2011 1:37 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
I'm glad you said it.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 4, 2011 2:16 AM EST up reply actions
those two sisters down south robbed a dude for 11 bucks and were serving life in prison
by Papercut Elbow on Jan 4, 2011 2:21 AM EST up reply actions
Thats the message we want to give the kids
if your going to steal money
Go Big.
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by The American Ronin on Jan 4, 2011 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
There’s no such thing as black collar crime, try the phrase blue collar.
The disparity in the criminal justice system is pretty much self-evident.
We know this.
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by VeeisAnimated on Jan 4, 2011 9:06 AM EST up reply actions
He was being facetious
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 4, 2011 9:07 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, it just sounds . . . ridiculous
Excuse my emotional, reactionary, fanatic output but Pettis will be the next UFC lightweight champion. Period.
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by VeeisAnimated on Jan 4, 2011 9:08 AM EST up reply actions
As a Realtor
Sonnen’s role in this would be fairly minor and not deserving of the term “mortgage fraud”.
It is a stretch to use money laundering laws for this as well, but when you play in the political game and run your mouth like he did, shit like this happens…
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by The American Ronin on Jan 4, 2011 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
Never cared for the mouth
Thought people went out of their way to love him or hate him, but he was having a nice run with TRT lol.
Right now I’m just whatever.
This sort of thing had nothing to do with the financial crisis
“This office will continue to aggressively prosecute real estate professionals who committed the mortgage fraud that contributed to this country’s economic downturn and wreaked havoc on our community’s housing market. We entrusted these professionals to honestly broker real estate transactions and instead, they defrauded lending institutions throughout the country and left financial ruin in their wake,” said Dwight Holton, U. S. Attorney for the District of Oregon.
Investment banks creating CDO’s because there weren’t enough borrowers with shitty credit to feed the Wall Street money machine is where the blame lies in its entirety…
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by The American Ronin on Jan 4, 2011 5:12 AM EST reply actions
where the blame lies in its entirety…
I don’t know about that. I read a number theories, one actually linked the HUD Homes scandal to the mortgage crisis. Who really knows?
Excuse my emotional, reactionary, fanatic output but Pettis will be the next UFC lightweight champion. Period.
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by VeeisAnimated on Jan 4, 2011 9:09 AM EST up reply actions
No Chael did it.
I won my fantasy football leauge, so I'm kind of awsome...kind of.
Semper Fi'
Pain don't hurt...
I'm still amazed some people want Sonnen to rematch Anderson
He doesn’t deserve so much attention. He cheated and he lied.
BTW, if Akiyama vs Sonnen happens, bye bye Yoshihiro. He was a standing punching bag against Bisping, that was absolutely ugly.
Be for real, the fight wasn't good.
It was exciting because Anderson was getting beat, but if you actually watch it again, outside of the beginning of the first round and small pockets until the finish, it was quite boring. Fitchian in its quality. Chael didn’t pass, didn’t hit Anderson hard and was content to lay in SIlva’s guard.
Go head and watch the fight again and tell me you don’t hit fast forward.
Now, what will a rematch draw? Who knows? We know so much about that fight that taints it more. We know Sonnen sucks at sub defense. We know Silva had a badly hurt rib. We know Sonnen roided. Who’s really gonna want to see that fight? Maybe you could get 600K, but nobody gives a fuck about Chael’s trashtalk because he won’t go on the media blitx this time. Mainstream media would burn his ass.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 4, 2011 8:48 AM EST up reply actions
Fitchian in its quality.
Damn. Why throw Jon Fitch under the bus like that? That’s messed up but I am laughing. I am laughing.
Excuse my emotional, reactionary, fanatic output but Pettis will be the next UFC lightweight champion. Period.
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by VeeisAnimated on Jan 4, 2011 9:11 AM EST up reply actions
- I’m not so sure about Mainstream media burning Chael. Did they celebrate A-Rod or vilify him when the Yanks won the World Series after ’roid scandal and a great play-off run?
- Nobody gives a f*ck about Chael’s trashtalk. This post is past 500+ comments and counting.
- Whether the first fight was boring or not it was something new, something different . . . except the outcome. That will make the rematch a huge selling point. Let’s not forget the huge run he was on prior to giving Silva a butt whooping.
I think your feelings influences your outlook concerning the Silva-Sonnen rematch. Run with the lowest common denominator and it will be easy to see.
Excuse my emotional, reactionary, fanatic output but Pettis will be the next UFC lightweight champion. Period.
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by VeeisAnimated on Jan 4, 2011 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
1. If Sonnen goes back on Rome, Rome will burn his ass. That’s pretty much the extent of the MSM he got.
2. Comments on BE don’t mean shit. Otherwise, I’m just as popular because I had a FANPOST (non-frontpaged) go close to 650. (Why you bragging?) I’m not, the point is, this is a big news story in MMA. That don’t got nothing to do with with his trash-talk except that people tired of his sctich are laughing.
3. It was new the first time. Unless Chael learns striking, it won’t be new again. There’s no reason why people have to think that a rematch would be different. Anderson will be healthier, Chael will be off roids.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 4, 2011 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
His next fight (maybe) is in New Jersey
No reason he can’t run the same scam on them.
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Because the rematch is an easy sell.
Excuse my emotional, reactionary, fanatic output but Pettis will be the next UFC lightweight champion. Period.
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by VeeisAnimated on Jan 4, 2011 9:12 AM EST up reply actions
he cheated
and what is happening now shows the value of his character. You have to deserve another shot to the title.
Oh my God..
why is this joker still employed by Zuffa?
First this guys gets investigated for taking illegal ped’s, and now mortgage fraud…. What
does it take for this guy to get fired by Zuffa? Would Sonnen’s have to be suspected for terrorism to get a pink slip by the company for this is done?
But seriously, does this guy have blackmail pictures of Dana having sex with animals or something? Why is he still employed? Is it because he helped headline ONE successful fight card?
Does Dana and company really need this type of scrutiny and negative attention that Sonnen brings with his outside antics?
I just don’t get it….
by devious1 on Jan 4, 2011 7:59 AM EST via mobile reply actions
think about how many awful things NFL players have done
Look at Vick, potential MVP. The guy who did a hit and run and killed a woman (can’t remember his name…). I don’t expect Sonnen to be a model citizen, he punches people in the face for a living.
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by chasethegoose on Jan 4, 2011 8:03 AM EST up reply actions
thats no excuse....
I sure as hell know that possibly if you or I were convicted of doping and/or money laundering that your employer wouldn’t think twice of firing us. Its common sense. A) you broke the law and B) the company doesn’t want that type of negative attention.
Just cause Sonnon is a celebrity or as you put it, punches people in the face that he shouldn’t be held to just as high a standard?
Give me a fucking break…
by devious1 on Jan 4, 2011 8:20 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
here's the thing
when you’re valuable, the rules change a bit.
and let’s talk more about your abstract standard. are you saying that money laundering and doping convictions should result in automatic termination of employment?
what about offenses committed prior to your employment? should we punish all felonies like this? how about misdemeanors?
by kellly on Jan 4, 2011 8:31 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I noticed on the 22nd of June 2008 that you double parked your car in rush hour traffic and received an infraction, I’m afraid we here at Sam’s Club just can’t trust you to change tires.
by DirtyML on Jan 4, 2011 8:46 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The 600 + comments
It's official. Les Miles DOES NOT have a deal with the devil. He beat him Nov. 6th, 24-21.
You Aint gonna make it to 20-1 Rowdy Rod.
All I see are comments about gay prison jokes and pleas from broken hearted fan boys, what are you reading?
Shit, maybe I should add my own..
I guess the only wrestling Sonnen will be doing is with dudes in jail!
Zing!!!
by devious1 on Jan 4, 2011 10:13 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I doubt he'll get time.
Every time Sonnen’s name is in a tilte he gets 600 comments.
But Sonnen has value. The story for the second Silva fight can write itself.
It's official. Les Miles DOES NOT have a deal with the devil. He beat him Nov. 6th, 24-21.
You Aint gonna make it to 20-1 Rowdy Rod.
I guess that makes me valuable to the UFC too
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 4, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
When did you start fighting again?
It's official. Les Miles DOES NOT have a deal with the devil. He beat him Nov. 6th, 24-21.
You Aint gonna make it to 20-1 Rowdy Rod.
All they mentioned was comments
Dana White don’t fight
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 4, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Haha. What evs man. But seriously you think Mike Whitehead got this much attention when he got busted for growing pot. To say Sonnen has 0 value is stretch beyond stretches
It's official. Les Miles DOES NOT have a deal with the devil. He beat him Nov. 6th, 24-21.
You Aint gonna make it to 20-1 Rowdy Rod.
You just don't get it.
Alex Rodriguez.
Kobe Bryant.
Ben Rothlesberger
. . . the list goes on.
Wait I can add politicians to the list.
Just cause Sonnon is a celebrity or as you put it, punches people in the face that he shouldn’t be held to just as high a standard?
YES. It is f*cked up but that’s the way of the world but if you have money, power and influence you can pretty much get out of a bad situation.
Excuse my emotional, reactionary, fanatic output but Pettis will be the next UFC lightweight champion. Period.
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by VeeisAnimated on Jan 4, 2011 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
What don't I get?
All those athletes that you mentioned have something that Sonnen has and probably never have
And that’s championships. They are popular name brands. And unlike Sonnen they seem to have learned from there mistakes. Or at least, they are staying out of negative eye of the public. They are also needed for their teams to succeed. They are winners.
Sonnen can’t even capture a championship belt ’roided up.
So again, what exactly is his real value to the UFC? I don’t see anything from where I’m standing….
by devious1 on Jan 4, 2011 10:03 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
All those good prison jokes gone to waste……
Can I make fun of the guy who’s testicles don’t work fighting the sexiest man in MMA at least?
by who me on Jan 4, 2011 8:09 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
He may be a criminal, but I’ll still enjoy watching him fight.
Would not be the first criminal to entertain me in a sport, and won’t be the last.
by DirtyML on Jan 4, 2011 8:25 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Lmao at the comedy here
Bernie madoff, enron, Haliburton, tyco, are real criminals. I am shocked he gave up his real estate license over this. What he did was stupid but it is common practice in the real estate world. TO CALL IT MONEY LAUNDERING IS HILARIOUS. This is a borderline waste of tax payer Money. Meanwhile the RAPIST, CHILD MOLESTOR, KILLERS, and real criminals never even come close to getting busted. This is a prosecutor with a hard on for Chael. Lmao if he’s been dealing with this since 2006. I would rank this up there with the Ken Starr prosecution of slick Willy Clinton
by HoomanCan on Jan 4, 2011 8:50 AM EST via mobile reply actions
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 4, 2011 9:06 AM EST up reply actions
You've said it yourself
this was an illegal act, regardless of whether or not it’s common, it’s still a crime under law, and Sonnen should be punished as such.
Do you have some leads on child molesters that you could share with the prosecutor?
Because otherwise, I’m not sure what your point is.
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Where does the "Former" in the title come from?
Is he no longer a contender? Is there some implication that during his suspension he’s a former UFC fighter?
Also: Hahahahhhaahahahahahaa…. Do we have a rule against felon-bashing?
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I think this is just a lot of his long-term fuck-ups all coming together at once.
What’s nice is that this isn’t a case of bad luck. The guy did the wrong things, and he’s getting punished for them:
- He took steroids, got suspended.
- He committed wire fraud, got convicted.
- He didn’t train jits, got submitted.
Maybe he should stop trying to get his black belt in bull-shit-su and actually do the right thing.
…and please, please, please, let’s not have another conversation where people pretend that he really needs TRT. Thanks.
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by jemaleddin on Jan 4, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Chael Said It, I Believe it.
I hate Fedor. I probably hate you too, but not as much as Fedor.
I wish Chael Sonnen was my uncle.
rec’d for bull-shit-su. Fantastic.
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I less-rarely write
"I ain't having it" - Buster Posey, hosing folks down
See, that's my job right there:
Adding that last 5% that makes it funny.
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by jemaleddin on Jan 4, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If you really have access to his medical records, you should post his test results so we can all have your insight...
…and please, please, please, let’s not have another conversation where people pretend that he really needs TRT. Thanks.
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by The American Ronin on Jan 4, 2011 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
Which part of "please, please, please" are you having a hard time understanding?
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What does taking a kick back have to do with the bad economy and the housing bubble?
It's official. Les Miles DOES NOT have a deal with the devil. He beat him Nov. 6th, 24-21.
You Aint gonna make it to 20-1 Rowdy Rod.
In reality, nothing
It does skew the values of homes and the incentives of buyers though.
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by The American Ronin on Jan 4, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
“West Linn residents, and other residents throughout the Portland/Vancouver area, can rest assured knowing that federal law enforcement agencies take mortgage fraud very seriously because it played a major role in almost crippling this nation’s banking system just a few years ago.”
Just seems like a very misleading comment.
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You Aint gonna make it to 20-1 Rowdy Rod.
It is completely misleading
but as in almost all such crisis’, the real culprits avoid blame and consequences. See the S & L crisis, the junk bond fiasco, the ’87 flash crash, LTCM, Enron and many others.
When the public outcry is loud enough, then there are generally some “name” people associated with the various scandals who are made examples of (Michael Milken, John Gutfreund, various S & L execs, some Enron principals and the like), but for the most part those who truly profited from what was done escape notice or real punishment.
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by The American Ronin on Jan 4, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
In fact, mortgage fraud - of completely different types - did play a major role in the financio-pocalypse.
It’s just that the problem was fraud in terms of approving mortgages, not this kind of money laundering. They’re both problems, but pretty unrelated.
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True
But it was much more than run-of-the-mill fraud as it was done with the full knowledge and encouragement of the investment banks that were creating mortgage-backed securities and derivatives of same out the raw loans…
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by The American Ronin on Jan 4, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
Where they are similar is that they both can be lessened by greater regulation...
…but let’s not get into that debate.
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Agreed. Unfortunately for us Americans,
and ultimately the world, the brief window after the initial shocks where additional regulation could have been forced on the industry without worry due to public outcry has now slammed shut.
All bad debts must eventually be dealt with before this is all over – this simply guarantees that when the day of reckoning delayed by the Fed finally comes, it will be far larger than this last one, and beyond the scope of even the Fed to effectively offset.
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by The American Ronin on Jan 4, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
the housing bubble
probably nothing, but kick back usually involve charging more for a product then what it’s worth, if you inflate the price of houses in an area(s) as was done in the U.S., then people start to think that they are worth more then they really are, so that has a lot to do with a bad economy.
I got cha. Makes sense. I just saw a few comments that brought up the housing bubble.
It's official. Les Miles DOES NOT have a deal with the devil. He beat him Nov. 6th, 24-21.
You Aint gonna make it to 20-1 Rowdy Rod.
There is a reasonably concise and very accurate description of what really initially caused the crash (the subprime mortgage market), minus some of the obscure technical details not necessary for understanding what actually happened called “The End” that was written by Michael Lewis (of Liars Poker, Moneyball and The Blind Side fame).
http://www.portfolio.com/news-markets/national-news/portfolio/2008/11/11/The-End-of-Wall-Streets-Boom/
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
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"People griping about this matchup need to stop using fight finder as their primary source of MMA information and watch some fights already."
-smoogy2
by The American Ronin on Jan 4, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
good find
I haven’t read the whole thing yet, but it should does shed more light on what actually happened
Lewis does a great job at taking the very complicated and distilling it so that the needed info is still there, but it is readable by those not trained in the field.
Probably the only thing I have read that is as good (although book length) is “Demon of Our Own Design” although it is a little more technical of a read.
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-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
"People griping about this matchup need to stop using fight finder as their primary source of MMA information and watch some fights already."
-smoogy2
by The American Ronin on Jan 4, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
the author
did a pretty good job, I for one have no clue when it comes to wall street, bay street, or any street’s stock market, or how any of it works, but it’s not losing me in jargon, which is nice, and doesn’t sound like they are trying to treat me like a moron, which they probably should. Either way, I’m still reading it.
better with the busted open fivehead
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You Aint gonna make it to 20-1 Rowdy Rod.
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