After Dynamite!! 2010 Flopped, What's Left for Japanese MMA and K-1?
FEG, the parent company of Dream -- Japan's top MMA promotion -- and K-1 -- the world's top kickboxing promotion -- was in trouble going into Dynamite!! 2010 their annual New Year's Eve spectacular.
A much hyped round of Chinese investment bank funding fell through in the fall and many speculated that without a blockbuster rating on NYE the promotions would be in deep trouble.
Dave Meltzer sets the scene (subscription required):
This comes after last year's show did strong ratings, finishing in second place behind the Red & White Concert (a Super Bowl like television event in Japan each year), on what is considered in Japan the biggest television night of the year. Last year's show averaged more than 16 million viewers, and peaking at 26 million for the Hidehiko Yoshida vs. Satoshi Ishii battle of Olympic gold medalists match.
However, there is no mainstream hook this year, as there was last year for Ishii's debut and Masato's retirement fight. Some say the only reason it's even on this year is because TBS signed a two year deal with FEG (Fighting Entertainment Groups) prior to last year's show. The hopes of the show doing big numbers were dashed with so many of the big draws of the past not involved, and the failure to land this year's hoped for "big fish," the retired sumo legend Asashoryu, whose debut would have gotten tremendous mainstream talk.
Well the news is bad. Very bad. Here's Zach Arnold:
Quietly, the ratings number came out for the 2010 K-1 Dynamite show on Tokyo Broadcasting System and it was a 9.8% rating. A sub-10% rating was the very last thing K-1 needed. (Though it was nice to know that they ended up giving an attendance for the show - 26,729.)
In the here-and-now, it feels inevitable that the relationship between K-1 and TBS will either significantly change or lead to a divorce. The World MAX, DREAM, and Dynamite shows are in decline on the network. Should TBS divorce itself from K-1, the big question is whether or not Fuji TV will help save the company. While ratings aren't hot on Fuji TV for K-1 programming, they are steadier than on TBS. The relationship between Kazuyoshi Ishii and Fuji TV is also a much longer one as well.
All of this is important for K-1's survival. The entire business plan that Mr. Ishii laid out for the business after the PRIDE collapse was to control the television pipeline in Japan. By controlling it, he could cash in on the broadcasting fees and also control what programming was on which network. If somebody wanted to promote a foreign show under his banner (think: the Holland shows) and get on Japanese TV in exchange for absorbing the live show costs and getting a % of the TV money, that sounded great. Now with the TBS relationship in serious decline, suddenly the plan becomes a lot less viable.
We'll hear from Dave Walsh, Matthew Roth and Sherdog in the full entry.
Dave Walsh talks about the downfall of Olympic gold medal-winning Judoka Satoshi Ishii who fought on the card:
Japanese headlines coming out of Dynamite!!? They are scary. Essentially, the headlines all revolve around Satoshi Ishii and his poor performance. Ishii was booed at Dynamite!! The hype around Dynamite!!? Gone. SportsNavi, a popular news outlet run by Yahoo! has headlines about UFC 125, with the feature story about Clay Guida choking out Takanori Gomi and how Nagashima's KO of Aoki made him MVP. NikkanSports is similar. All of the more fight-oriented websites were obeying the unwritten rules of don't trash in public, the mainstream media? No such luck. Headlines about the boos that Ishii received were deafening. Ishii the ace of Japan is all-but-dead. The goofy interviews, the terrible performance, the inability to make press conferences and so forth have done him no favors. He needed a dominant win and a solid post-fight interview, ala Sakuraba and Minowaman. Of course, he did not deliver.
Head Kick Legend wraps it up:
There was a time when Satoshi Ishii was the top prospect coming out of Japan, the savior of Japanese MMA. He was a national hero with his gold medal win at the Olympics and would be a media darling to carry Japanese MMA into the next decade. Fast forward a year and Ishii has become perhaps the biggest bust in MMA. Sure, he has a winning record, but he's done so in disappointing fashion. He looked awful against Jerome LeBanner and the boos drove the point home. He is not who we thought he was and luckily, the Japanese media has not let him off the hook.
There is a light at the end of the tunnel for FEG.
Tokyo Broadcasting System is the outlet for DREAM, K1 MAX, and Dynamite. Fuji TV is the outlet for K1 and fortunately, 2010 was a solid year for FEG. They also furthered their relationship with the network and what could be TBS's loss if they decide to cut ties with FEG could be FUJI's gain. The original plan for the shows on TBS were less about fighting about more about infiltrating the other shows on the network and this was a failure. Fuji appears to have a greater interest in combat sports and I would suspect that all of FEG's programming will find its way onto the network very soon.
The only bright spot is the emergence of Alistair Overeem as the top foreign fighter in Japan. Sherdog talks about what K-1 is thinking going forward:
Part of Tanikawa's desire to continue pushing Overeem as a crossover star stems from his current assessment of MMA in Japan, which is less than optimistic. Though Hiroyuki Takaya successfully took the Dream featherweight title from Bibiano Fernandes at "Dynamite," Tanikawa was unimpressed with the performance, claiming the bout did more to drive away casual interest than it did to attract it.
Tanikawa's solution for this, as well as his vision for gaining wider mainstream appeal, seems to be in taking MMA fighters out of their element in an attempt to replicate Overeem's successes. Tanikawa used former Strikeforce light heavyweight king Gegard Mousasi and his commanding decision victory over K-1 heavyweight champion Kyotaro Fujimoto as a prime example.
"I want Mousasi to fight for K-1 if he's interested. If you think about how things are in Japan, I think it's better to fight in K-1 because it makes fighters very popular and famous. MMA fighters like [Norifumi] "Kid" Yamamoto and Genki Sudo won and lost in the K-1 ring, but they still became famous from it. I want Mousasi to become very famous," Tanikawa said. He also noted "Wicky" Akiyo Nishiura as another mixed martial artist he hoped to head hunt for K-1 competition.
However, that does not mean FEG will abandon Dream or MMA bouts, as both Tanikawa and Dream Event Producer Keiichi Sasahara reiterated a desire to fill out both poles of the MMA weight divisions.
I'm not optimistic. Sengoku is soldiering on but at this point they're not much more than a regional promotion. The Dream may be over.
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Oh, and Gegard? Tanikawa doesn’t give a fuck about your best interests.
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by The American Ronin on Jan 4, 2011 3:15 AM EST up reply actions
ask Gegard
he’s certainly very happy about how he’s treated. Tanigawa said they were going to restructure, wait and see.
by Omigawa on Jan 3, 2011 6:18 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Dream will trudge on for 2011 bug the ratings were dismal
They really need Sakuraba’s retirement fight.
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Sakuraba vs Mr. Blonde?
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by Barack Lesnar on Jan 3, 2011 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
man Sakuraba has had
so many fights that should have been his retirement fight.
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I mean advertised retirement fight
I really don’t like that he keeps fighting. He’s literally falling apart. Saku/Rickson would be a solid retirement fight for him and you’d have massive tv ratings.
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I think he has to much fun fighting
and would rather die in combat. Seriously.
Saku vs Reem.
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This is a fact
But Dynamite was missing a hook this year and a Sakuraba retirement would have been it. And the Rickson/Saku fight is something the media would eat up.
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I agree
Saku vs Rickson would be amazing for business I just don’t think it would be likely.
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Why?
Serious question as I am not as knowledgeable about the nuance of the JMMA market as many are here…
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by The American Ronin on Jan 4, 2011 3:17 AM EST up reply actions
Thank you most kind sir…
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by The American Ronin on Jan 4, 2011 4:15 AM EST up reply actions
No problem.
Rickson is a legend, but I don’t think anything would ever make him fight again.
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If they have to do one:
Tamura rematch. You don’t want him in there with anyone dangerous.
by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Jan 3, 2011 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
Rickson or Tamura would be great
and fans would tune in and there’d be media attention.
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Pride 34 tamura came out with saku i believe but that fight never materialized and I think now 3 years later it never will.
by destructivist on Jan 3, 2011 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
They fought in 2008.
Tamura won a decision.
A rematch would let Sakuraba avenge a loss to somebody he hates without exposing him to an inordinate amount of physical damage.
by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Jan 4, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
Aoki, Kawajiri and Wicky to the UFC please.
by Rob Young on Jan 3, 2011 6:23 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Aoki-Yes
Kawajiri-Yes
Wiki-No
Takaya-Flamed out of the WEC once already
Bibi-No
by MattParker117 on Jan 3, 2011 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
The only bright spot is Alistair Overeem?
Please. Takaya and Hioki are radiant stars that emerged in the aftermath of the weekend. Japanese MMA might not have had a great weekend overall in terms of interest, but we can, at the very least, look at two solid featherweights who can compete. Hioki especially.
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As far as being quality fighters, most definitely. They’re not big draws though, and that is what Nate is talking about :(
by Rob Young on Jan 3, 2011 6:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Nobody is a big draw anymore in Japan.
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by Leland Roling on Jan 3, 2011 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
They need a celebrity
to fight again. I think they keep trying to make fighters celebrities instead of the other way around.
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Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
Celeb fights will hurt their standing with hardcore fans, but they need to realize that their status with even those fans in Japan is dwindling. I agree, they need to do something, and shitty celebrity fights did garner interest from the casual fans in the country. Maybe it’s something they can begin to incorporate more once again.
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by Leland Roling on Jan 3, 2011 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
Honestly, it’s time for Japan to tell the hardcore fans to F themselves. It’s never really been what buttered their bread to begin with. Get the stars in there to get interest, throw in a few legit fights.
Profit.
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that wont work for long term success
but when ur failing right now what else can u do
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It worked
pretty well long term before. I see no reason why it wouldn’t work again.
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I'm talking about as business draws
I included the quote from FEG officials discounting both Takeya and Hioki as draws.
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Well, almost noone is a draw in Japan anymore. I wouldn’t even qualify Overeem as a tremendous draw. I suppose he’s better than everyone else over there right now.
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by Leland Roling on Jan 3, 2011 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
I loved Nagashima's performance myself
Favorite part of my weekend was seeing Aoki eat that knee after what he did in the 1st round.
You were way more likely to be murdered in Baltimore in 2008 than you were in Tombstone in 1881.
BTW, Mousasi is WAY too fucking small to go to K-1.
Isn’t Kyotaro one of the smaller guys? Imagine Mousasi vs The Reem, Hari, Remy, Ghita or Saki. He’d be crazy to go into K-1 for real.
by Rob Young on Jan 3, 2011 6:29 PM EST via mobile reply actions
That’s what they say about Tyrone Spong, and he had the best match against Overeem in the Grand Prix. Size isn’t everything. Ask Andy Hug.
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by Leland Roling on Jan 3, 2011 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
His head movement was great
I was super impressed by him.
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I’ve heard stories of the end of JMMA since the fall of Pride and it still puts on big shows. I have been hearing about the end of Strikeforce for as long as they have been around and they are now tooling up for a HW tournament some thing even the UFC can’t pull off right now. Call me when some thing new happens..
I think 2011 will be a better year for Dream than 2010 was. SRC will do just fine where they are as well.
The ratings were the lowest they've ever been
Not just for Dynamite but period. It’s understandable to not be hopeful for the future of DREAM. SRC is essentially a regional promotion right now just bigger than DEEP and Shooto.
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One of their primary investors bailing. That’s new.
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by Leland Roling on Jan 3, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
shhh...quit it with these "facts"
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I think Japan needs a charismatic hero. Someone like Minowa but who wins. Manny Pacqiuao pulled the entire country of the Phillipines as well as the fillipino community into boxing. Japan had Sakuraba who seems like the JMMA Dan Marino. And the Judoka that “took out” Royce (name escapes me) was supposed to bring in people.
They just need a winner that everyone can love. Feel free to school me cause…it’s not like I’m in Japan or anything so IDK how they feel over. This whole time I thought they beleived in Yushin Okami til somone on BE told me they could careless.
They made a video game about Yakuzas. It’s called Yakuza. And it’s about Yakuza
Also...he doesn't have a Japanese friendly style
He’s a grinder which doesn’t sell fights in Japan.
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by the-gentle-way on Jan 3, 2011 7:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
My 2 cents which is probably worth less than even that:
1. If there is a fighter that could potentially be the savior of JMMA it’s Asashoryu
2. Ishii is done for the short term. He may have a comeback but he’s going to have to go get some big victories and prove himself to regain national hero status. I would have him fight in the US short term, pick up some wins and some cred with the more knowledgable fans then have him return to take on some top notch gaijin or Asashoryu in a huge match.
3. FEG should maybe start looking to the live show money a la Pride. The mass appeal for mma seems way down. They can stay on Fuji drawing a smaller hardcore fanbase.
4. I still think a trade off Dream show in America and Strikeforce show in Japan could pay off for both companies since neither makes anything in those markets.
Well... I suppose this is what happens when you put spectacle over sport
I love how a retired sumo fighter was supposed to be their salvation. This would be like the UFC banking on Herschel Walker.
…But it’s still kinda sad that JMMA might be going for good.
JMMA was based on the spectacle, it’s not what is killing the sport there it’s what the sport is missing now.
That’s the problem – that they based it on spectacle, and spectacle is a terrible foundation for a sport. Japanese fans don’t care about the sport part, they just want to see some prowrestling-esque shit go down.
They are selling primetime tv entertainment, it better be catered directly to what the general public wants to see because for them ratings are their lifeblood. As for the Japanese public wanting to see pro wrestling-esque events, yes you are right. There is no pro wrestling stigma in Japan and casual fans expect that production style out of their tv sports, it’s a different culture with different entertainment expectations.
I do believe you're quite wrong. They need the spectacle.
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JMMA is all spectacle for NYE
which is why this show was hurt by the Sapp debacle.
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Any info on why Sapp withdrew?
I saw speculation in comments that it was because of money, but I saw nothing certain.
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He wanted a cut of the merchandise they were selling is the word.
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I loved how they announced to the crowd
he had “lost his fighting will” as the reason for his withdrawal.
You were way more likely to be murdered in Baltimore in 2008 than you were in Tombstone in 1881.
Interesting. Thanks!
Sappu was really flexing his negotiating muscles huh?
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Am I the only one who thought Dynamite was good?
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It was a good card
But the ratings were disappointing. Word from Esther Lin and Dan Herbertson who covered both Soul of Fight and Dynamite was that SRC killed FEG.
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SRC had a Japanese win the belt.
that’s why.
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Takaya is Japanese too bro
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No he's not.
lol yeah I forgot about that.
It just seems like SRC has been putting on the better fights.
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The thing is, it’s not live MMA in the US is thriving either. It seems that it hit its ceiling with the Chuck vs. Rampage fight and has been slowly falling off with a few spikes here and there. It’s not because of over-saturation with too many MMA promotions, it’s just that unfortunately MMA is a niche sport with a niche audience…that’s just the reality of things. Dana may have lofty ambitions of it being the biggest sport in the world, but that’s not going to happen. Hopefully MMA can stay alive in Japan.
that has more to do with the economic collapse
and the UFC’s stubborn refusal to lower ticket prices.
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Yeah, I said HOLY SHIT when I saw how cheap the Dynamite!! tickets were..
In relative terms that is.
Actually poor MMA tv ratings in Japan means good for us here in US!
Fighters like Overeem will have no choice but to fight more in the US including other fighters in Japan’s MMA promotions as well. I think this is great!
Yeah!
Let’s totally have a market collapse and freelance dozens of fighters while killing the industry there! That way all the great fighters will have to sign for UFC without any choice!
And while we’re at it, why not have Strikeforce go under?! Then UFC can sign anyone they want for rock bottom prices due to no competition whatsoever!
Who cares about the fighters having choice or being paid fair values?! I demand best versus best and only top ten fighters fighting!
there are a lot of fans who actually feel that way
and don’t understand that a smaller pool of promotions = less opportunities for fighters = fewer fighters = a weaker UFC.
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I think they do understand it
they just don’t care.
It’s a “Me” first mentality, and is disturbingly prevalent in our community. If something prevents us from seeing “Best vs Best” you’ll see someone raise a fuss even if what they’re complaining about is good for the sport of MMA.
Who has the UFC got into a bidding war over? Other promotions aren’t keeping the UFC from paying rock bottom prices the fact that if the UFC doesn’t pay what is considered a strong wage then fighters don’t come to the sport to start with does. It’s not like there are no jobs but UFC fighter, guys who become professionals expect to be paid or they will go do something else. Lets face it it’s not like Dream or Strikeforce or Bellator can push up fighter pay either, keeping cost as low as possible is also in their best interest and they don’t have the funds for extended bidding wars.
Now the issue of fewer opportunities is the big one, fewer fighters in the system hurts the UFC product too. How many times do they drop a guy and tell them to go get a few wins, they need the other orgs because that is how fighters develop and grow. Sure it would be great if Overeem had to come to the US to fight more but Overeem isn’t Dream he’s just one of many fighters they employ.
I’m willing to wager that Robbie Lawler, Nick Diaz, Couture, Tito, Akiyama, and Hendo are all being paid more than what the UFC would have paid if it was the only option available for them.
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Maybe and maybe not. Well for Robbie Lawler I bet that would be the case because I doubt he would be in the UFC currently even if it was the only option. The lack of options is the issue.
Are you saying that Tito would have gotten the same contract if he wasnt threatening to sign with Strikeforce and be on CBS? Or that Randy didn’t get a better deal by signing before the Big Nog when there was a risk he might win and suddenly be available to fight Fedor? I think it’s pretty obvious that they benefitted financially by having an option outside the UFC. Same with your Thomsons, Millers and Lombards who might get lost in the UFC masses by are headliners with other promotions.
by John Nash on Jan 4, 2011 3:17 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Randy got his contracts due to them needing him and as with Tito there is a lot of personal history involved. As for whatever Tito is making well he likes to play that game but in the end no one was going to pay him what he wanted and it was an idle threat. The UFC isn’t paying better due to these other organizations driving up wages they are paying better due to their need to have the best in the sport under contract, there are a limited number of fighter slots to be had in the UFC regardless of outside competition. If there were no other orgs creating fighters then they wouldn’t be paying less money they wouldn’t have incoming athletes to start with and the sport would cease to exist at this level.
Same with your Thomsons, Millers and Lombards who might get lost in the UFC masses by are headliners with other promotions.
I agree with them, that’s a very different issue though. Fighters need all the options they can get because if those other organizations don’t exist then there are only 250 positions in the entire sport. Even Dana White has said that the UFC needs all these other organizations, without them there aren’t any fighters getting developed/re-developed. If there were no other options then these guys wouldn’t be agreeing to fight for the UFC for peanuts they would be moving on and doing something else to make a living entirely.
Who me, I don’t mean to come across as being condescending because I think you’re a really smart guy, but you are laughably wrong. The UFC is not paying the top athletes more because they need to draw athletes to the sport, they could sell with whomever the current best are. There were doing it four years ago with half the top talent they halve now. There is no need for the UFC to expand the talent pool, they just need a lock on the current best to differentiate between any competition.
As for pay, Aikiyama makes more (non-disclosed) than all the other mid-tier middleweights not only because he’s good or that the UFC plans to use him to expand to Japan but because they wanted to take him away from Dream, so they offered him more than they did. Competition drove up his price. Randy Couture was making $1 mil per + per fight that sold over 500,000 ppv buys and the supposedly gave him an extra $500,000 base and more ppv and tv bonuses. Why? Because they liked him? Because he could make that much outside of MMA (this was before the Expandables was releases). The upped his pay because there was the threat he’d beat Nog and Showtime would offer him more to fight Fedor. Randy weighed the odds and took the better deal before the fight. Same with Tito who was mulling over signing with Strikeforce when UFC countered with something better and denied them. They never would have gave in to him if they didn’t want to keep him off CBS for another promotion (he should have signed with them).
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Who me, I don’t mean to come across as being condescending because I think you’re a really smart guy, but you are laughably wrong. The UFC is not paying the top athletes more because they need to draw athletes to the sport, they could sell with whomever the current best are. There were doing it four years ago with half the top talent they halve now. There is no need for the UFC to expand the talent pool, they just need a lock on the current best to differentiate between any competition.
The guys who were on top 4 years ago are filtering out of the sport now, you constantly have to replace your draws or you will lose viewership. This sport is propped up by keeping the attention of the casual fan, it’s a entertainment luxury item thus they have to keep things fresh and if the talent pool doesn’t keep expanding then the sport stops growing.
You know the entertainment industry, star actors don’t get big paydays due to competition between movie studios for their services they get the big paydays for how many people will pay to watch them. Yes if there was only one movie studio then they would have a greater control over what they were willing to pay but then if there was just one studio there wouldn’t be as many big actors for them to try and make money with. Businesses always worry about competition but they also worry about having enough specialized employees too, if there are no up and coming fighters in the system them the UFC dies. They won’t be paying fighters less money they will have to do all they can to try and lure fighters to the sport so they can try and keep in business. Without a constant stream of fighters this sport (and the UFC) dies.
As for pay, Aikiyama makes more (non-disclosed) than all the other mid-tier middleweights not only because he’s good or that the UFC plans to use him to expand to Japan but because they wanted to take him away from Dream, so they offered him more than they did.
They pay him because they want to expand to Japan, heck he even does their tv presentations there. Did they offer him more than Dream could? Yes but that is because his value is in trying to open up that market, he got his money due to who he is and what he could provide not because Dream and the UFC got into a bidding war over him. Now his fame came from fighting in Japan so without FEG putting him out there he wouldn’t of got an offer from the UFC at all but if Dream had went under at that point the UFC would of still paid him the big bucks to be the face of their product in Japan.
Randy got a big pay raise when he came back to fight Tim Sylvia and there was no outside competition for him the UFC just needed someone to spike interest in seeing a Tim Sylvia fight. Randy is an industry star and the UFC needed him, sure they wouldn’t want to see him fighting Fedor in Affliction but the big issue was that they needed him on their shows. They could of just legally buried his ass permanently when he quit but instead they brought him back, gave him a new three fight deal and put him in a huge fight with Lesnar because the UFC needs Randy Couture. Heck Randy just threatened retirement and the next thing you know he got the fight with Machida.
As far as Tito he was rumored to be signing with absolutely everyone at one time or the other and the UFC just sat there (as they did the last time his contract was up and he played the exact same game). Tito always tried to play that game but he didn’t get re-signed with the UFC until him and Dana worked out their personal issues.
Basic econ
are all being paid more than what the UFC would have paid if it was the only option available for them.
Says you are exactly right…
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
"People griping about this matchup need to stop using fight finder as their primary source of MMA information and watch some fights already."
-smoogy2
by The American Ronin on Jan 4, 2011 3:29 AM EST up reply actions
even if u have a couple more fights to draw in a crowd,that as far as it goes. They need old pride style rules with brazialn fighters. Jap fighters are not aggressive and i can see why alot of them arent as fun to watch. Brazilian fighteres deliver. Very explosive,aggressive. Find some brazilian fighters,keep the old rules and things will change a lot
Jap mma is done.
RIP…

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