Video: Abe Wagner TKOs Tim Sylvia in 32 seconds
by Nick Thomas on Jan 29, 2011 1:14 AM EST
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Abe Wagner: "I thought I'd have a big speed advantage over (Tim Sylvia). I wanted to put the pressure on him, and I knew if I got inside his jab I'd be money."
[UPDATE by Anton Tabuena]: Fight video of the co-headlining bout between UFC veteran Jason High and Rudy Bears is after the jump.
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Damn, Severn.
Nice.
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by RolloTomasi on Jan 29, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Jesus
You couldn’t come to the fight in shape could you Timmah? No way that happens if he’s less then three bills.
It also proves that Tim's not ready for the UFC.
Not that Dana and Co. would have signed him anyway – their simmering hatred for that man is borderline scary.
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by McKinley B. Noble on Jan 29, 2011 1:36 AM EST up reply actions
Well.
Signed him again, I mean.
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by McKinley B. Noble on Jan 29, 2011 1:36 AM EST up reply actions
I was saying in other posts that the UFC should sign Sylvia back and use him as a gatekeeper. Now, I am stuffing my face with crow.
I won't jump off the bandwagon just because you lost.
Not that Dana and Co. would have signed him anyway – their simmering hatred for that man is borderline scary.
Huh? What’s the story behind this?
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by RagingNoodles on Jan 29, 2011 5:09 AM EST up reply actions
I said the same thing
Based on the crazy notion that he had learned his lesson from the Mercer fight about what happens when you don’t put in the effort before a fight.
Oh well.
by Lauren J Darkbloom on Jan 29, 2011 7:41 AM EST up reply actions
You know I thought he would of of learned his dam lesson about what happens when you come into a fight Grossly Overweight. Well after last night I guess he didn’t. I don’t feel the least bit bad for Tim at all. He has no one to blame but himself becasue when you are lazy and don’t train and get totaly out of shape becasue you are taking you opponent lightly well you deserve to loose and look like a total ass in the process.
I just think Tim like in the Mecer fight counted that W on his record before the fight even happend ? Becasue I just can’t see how a prize fighter could have a excuse other then that for being that out of shape and soft coming into a fight.
not only was he not in shape
but it looks like he didn’t respect Abe at all, he didn’t have his hands up and chin down…he looked like a rookie. He honestly didn’t even look like he warmed up. Sad to say (and see), but he should probably stick to pro wrestling.
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i was thinking the same thing
The first thing I noticed was the lack of respect Timmah had for, his opponent, his self, his employer and his fans. Timmah should just do WWE and call it a career with MMA. His ego, pride and ignorance are writing checks his big old ass cant cash anymore.
If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?
That's the thing really
It’s one thing to “relax” in your training but he clearly didn’t think Wagner had anything for him and took for granted the fact that he could walk through him.
Swing and a miss Timmah, swing and a miss. You can kiss any shot at any sort of legitimate promotion away now. Maybe he can get a freakshow fight but he’s done as a legitimate heavyweight now.
He certainly hurt him with that right in the begging Sucks for Timmah
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While I'm not sure how many of the preceding shots actually connected before the knockdown
Sylvia lost his composure when the opponent got inside his jab range.
Sadly, I’m reminded of what happened vs. Fedor.
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by intro820 on Jan 29, 2011 1:11 AM EST via mobile reply actions
shhhhh..........
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by Earl Montclair on Jan 29, 2011 1:15 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah I figured. But it doesn’t show up on my BlackBerry
by intro820 on Jan 29, 2011 1:20 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Good stoppage
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Indeed.
There is as much reason to bitch about that stoppage as there was about the Tyson Griffin v. Gomi stoppage.
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by Earl Montclair on Jan 29, 2011 1:14 AM EST up reply actions
no.
Tim was rocked when he went for a takedown so the big man fell down.
Griffin on the other hand was hit with a HUGE shot that put his lights out before he even hit the ground…Griffin just woke up moments after his face hit the canvas.
that’s just a bad comparison dude.
by Anton Tabuena on Jan 29, 2011 1:23 AM EST up reply actions 11 recs
You’re a bad comparison!
So he fell face first while semi-conscious instead of out cold. He fell like Tito did when Chuck was blasting him.
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by Earl Montclair on Jan 29, 2011 1:33 AM EST up reply actions
Heh.
You’re a bad comparison!
That made my day.
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by McKinley B. Noble on Jan 29, 2011 1:34 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He fell like Tito did when Chuck was blasting him.
I like you, but I think you need new glasses dude.
by Anton Tabuena on Jan 29, 2011 1:42 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Fair enough Anton
We can disagree. Oddly enough, I really did go to the eye doctor today and I am waiting on my new prescription so you may be on to something.
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by Earl Montclair on Jan 29, 2011 1:44 AM EST up reply actions
they aren’t equivalent in damage but they are equivalent in that both were good stoppages.
by Gerrymanderer on Jan 29, 2011 1:26 AM EST up reply actions
good stoppage
but it does look like the ref second guesses himself as soon as he steps in and then for a split second tries to restart it and then’s like ahh fuck i probably can’t do that, it’s over.
by FiatJustitiaRuatCaelum on Jan 29, 2011 1:29 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Saw that too
These ref’s gotta know that when they stop a fighter, it’s ALL OVER
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by thetakeover on Jan 29, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
The ref didn't seem to sure though.
It looked as though he was gonna let them go again for a second.
Don't think so.
It took Sylvia ages to get back to his feet after the call, and he was eating punches the entire time – calling that last struggle a takedown attempt is like saying that unicorns look like bowls of clam chowder.
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by McKinley B. Noble on Jan 29, 2011 1:40 AM EST up reply actions
mmmmmm Unicorn Chowder
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by Earl Montclair on Jan 29, 2011 1:44 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
It took Sylvia ages to get back to his feet after the call
This it true, but how much of this was because he is fat and slow. He got up like a 300+ pounder.
by truck on Jan 29, 2011 1:47 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, that's a different problem altogether.
If Sylvia hadn’t started a training regime consisting solely of eating deep-fried sugar donuts, maybe he could’ve popped back up to his feet and prevented an “early” stoppage.
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by McKinley B. Noble on Jan 29, 2011 2:02 AM EST up reply actions
So he was going to be getting up that slow
while eating more punches from Wagner.
No way would he have recovered.
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by Chris Groves on Jan 29, 2011 2:12 AM EST up reply actions
Apparently 311 is a bad weight for Timothy
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by Mandalore on Jan 29, 2011 1:20 AM EST reply actions 5 recs
tim looked fat...
but to be fair, he looked a lottttt softer on his bout against Mercer even if it was roughly (or exactly? don’t remember) at the same weight.
by Anton Tabuena on Jan 29, 2011 1:26 AM EST up reply actions
He was 305lbs for the Mercer fight. Tim was 275lbs for the Paul Buentello fight just 5 months ago. Did he even try to get into fighting shape for this one?
I'm guessing
if there’s no weight limit to be made, the big guy just doesn’t even bother to diet or train harder… He can still make 265lbs if he wanted to, but it looks like he’s not really motivated to do it anymore.
by Anton Tabuena on Jan 29, 2011 1:32 AM EST up reply actions
If he’s just going through the motions then for all practical purposes he’s done in the sport. It seems like he’s not even trying to get into fighting shape. He hasn’t made 265lbs since Fedor laid him out, that’s not because he can’t it’s because he isn’t doing what it takes to get back into that kind of fighting shape.
yeah,
too bad. Guys like wagner shouldn’t even be a challenge for an in-shape timmy.
by Anton Tabuena on Jan 29, 2011 1:50 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You have to wonder if his heart is really in it anymore. He hasn’t really seemed to be putting out that kind of effort since Fedor dropped him. He should of mauled Abe Wagner.
Here is what he looked like for the Nog fight, it’s not just weight it’s that he’s not at all in fighting shape now.
The Nog performance was actually a really good one for him.
Food goes in here
by Pandanus on Jan 29, 2011 4:04 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What happened last night really made me sad
I hate seeing people self-destruct, even if they are fighters I loved to root against. What is happening to Sylvia just looks like straight self-sabotage.
by Lauren J Darkbloom on Jan 29, 2011 7:42 AM EST up reply actions
Apparently 311 is a bad weight for Timothy
But it’s a good band for me when I get stoned and wanna bro out
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by Anthony Pace on Jan 29, 2011 1:46 AM EST up reply actions
An OK band.
They put out alot of crap as of late.
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by RolloTomasi on Jan 29, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
Well, early stoppage or not.
Either way, Tim Sylvia sure wasn’t “intelligently” defending himself.
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by McKinley B. Noble on Jan 29, 2011 1:34 AM EST reply actions
the
..bigger they are….
tim looked like he bulked up good for this and was looking pretty light on his feet even in the warm ups
I guess that's the only thing going for him there...
while he weighed heavier now than on the mercer fight, he didn’t look as fat now… 
by Anton Tabuena on Jan 29, 2011 1:44 AM EST up reply actions
Perhaps it was because he shaved his chesticles for this one.
It makes him look more streamlined.
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by Earl Montclair on Jan 29, 2011 1:46 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Or because he has new ink on his left arm since the Mercer KO
I guess it is not making him tougher lol.
Damn I was joking when i said Sylvia might consider retirement if Wagner beat him
But Damn, Abe Wagner?
More like he got the Grand Canyon stamped on his forehead.
I don't want to say he's dirty, but Forrest Griffin looks like directly after a workout his crotch might resemble a cajun swamp.
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Dude, he got a cavern opened up in his head. You could literally see his skull.
Pretty sure it was a doctor’s stoppage.
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Even Chuck admitted that he was having a hard time being benched
Between the KO by Rich Franklin and the official announcement of his retirement/promotion.
It helps Chuck that he can have a reputation where it wasn’t a case of the game passing him by, but that his chin just couldn’t hold up as well as his skills did. Tito on the other hand, well…
Oh Timmy.
I laughed when I saw the headline and wasn’t surprised at all. But seeing the video….it’s just sad. You’d think he’d have learned his lesson about being in shape from the Mercer fight.
by gzl5000 on Jan 29, 2011 2:05 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I was quite shocked also. I can’t remember the last time Timmy was in as good of shape. I would chalk this loss up to over training. Based on how ripped he was, my guess is he obviously had an extended training camp and he spent every second of it training and forgot to put together a game plan. That’s all he was lacking tonight – a solid game plan.
Hopefully he won’t let this loss get him down and put on a bunch of weight over the next few weeks.
by TREY JACKSON on Jan 29, 2011 6:25 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
is that shape oval?
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by Thats It For you! on Jan 29, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
I’d still Timmy to beat Tim Hague though…
Not that I condone facism or any ism for that matter. Isms are in my opinion, not good. A person shouldn't believe in an ism, he should believe in himself.
I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me". Good point there, after all he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. Wouldn't change the fact I have to bum rides off of people.
I'd probably
pick Hague to beat Abe Wagner. And without MMAth, I honestly think with the way Timmeh showed up tonight, Tank Abbot would’ve beat him. And Tim Hague would’ve grabbed him by the scruff of his neck and stolen his lunch money.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jan 29, 2011 3:27 AM EST up reply actions
All Big Tim talk aside
Jason looked good tonight. Hope he gets some play in SF/ Dream/ Bellator soon.
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With a win over Sakurai and this quick win here, I expect him to get the call from Strikeforce or the UFC. I honestly think that Jason High would be a better fit in the Strikeforce Welterweight Division instead of the crowded, but not as crowded as Lightweight, UFC Welterweight Division.
I won't jump off the bandwagon just because you lost.
tim talks big and comes up short again
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That was a ridiculous stoppage, but didn't matter as much anyway. Tim - don't fight fat dummy.
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I don't think it was ridiculous
You could argue that it was a little early, but I’d argue that Hominick/Roop from the other day was worse.
Watch it again; Tim really makes what appears to be 2 attempts to stand, the first being wobbly, the second when he puts his hand on his knee for support.
Anyway, I agree with your last point; coming into that fight in such shape is a disgrace.
Well, ain’t that a shame. I guess I’ll stop lobbying for Timmy back in the big show now. Running backwards with your head up in the air seems to be a bad defensive move, he probably should have clinched up when he got tagged. I thought the the stoppage was a little premature, it was more a failed takedown attempt than a knockdown, should’ve allowed Wagner to land some GnP to seal the deal. But it was obvious Timmy was not going to win.
by Horselover Fat on Jan 29, 2011 7:14 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
'What's Up Now!!'
Always liked Sylvia was pulling for him but 311 should remain a name of a band not the weight you show up to fight.
Very Chimpanzee-esque in his striking defense is Tim Sylvia
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Oh, Timmay...
what the fu… …it’s time to hang the gloves, man. You had a good run, now give it a rest.
Tim... dude...
That stoppage was weird. One of those strange Lavigne stoppages, but I guess it’s fair to say the ref looked confused, cause that failed takedown attempt was one of the worst I’ve ever seen. It was exactly how it looked: Fat man fell down and had trouble getting up.
Weird? I think you mean quick.
But w/e I can’t feel too sorry for him, he was soooo fat.
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by RolloTomasi on Jan 29, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
Poor Tim. I really do feel bad for him.He just can’t get it together.
I also feel bad for ANance. He’s Tim’s buddy. I believe him when he says Tim is a good guy, despite what most of you think. He just had a kid too. I hope he can get back in fighting shape someday, personally.
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Who is saying that Tim isn’t a good guy? The guy showed up in poor fight condition and got whooped, him being a swell person or not has nothing to do with that.
saw that coming when Timmay hit the scale
can’t believe i didn’t jump on the +450 line on Abe.
never been impressed by Sylvia
Never?
He was once 16-0 and the UFC HW champ with KO’s of Ricco Rod Mike Whitehead, Gan “19 foot tall” McGee, Jason Lambert, Wesley Correira, …….then he got fat.
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by RolloTomasi on Jan 29, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
Read that list of names again
None of those guys are world beaters. Only Ricco might be impressive at all. Yes Fat Tim probably wouldn’t have beaten those guys the way he did, but skinny Tim would have been wasted in the present UFC heavyweight division or the present Strikeforce heavyweight division
skinny tim was great
really good striking excellent stamina. ground game still shaky but he could scramble pretty good. he could take punishment because he was in a better overall condition. fat tim can’t do any of the things skinny tim can do. fat tim is just fat hoping to win a exchange with his reach.
by BIGNAT on Jan 29, 2011 3:12 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Winner gets top 10 status
and a mentioning in articles about the lack of talent in the UFC heavyweight division.
Tim's done. Anyone catch Inside MMA?
He’s now a part time cop.
I expect that to become full time shortly…
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Yeah, I watched that. It’s good to see he has something productive that he enjoys to fall back on.
by Horselover Fat on Jan 29, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
I wonder if Tim told his new cop buddies to watch this fight. ..Imagine being the guy who rides with him on his next shift?
by nahhh mean? on Jan 29, 2011 1:49 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Tim Sylvia
Looks like he is wearing a Fat Suit
not taking anything away from abe but........
tim coming in at 311 pounds what the hell is wrong with him. does he think all his fights are going end in the first round.
Sylvia looks like my uncle
He’s had one too many beers.
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should probably go work on training to be a full-time cop. already an auxiliary, at least he’s put in some effort to give himself other options to make a living unlike some fighters.
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