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Georges St. Pierre Training Roger Gracie for Strikeforce: Diaz vs Cyborg

Photo by Esther Lin for Showtime Sports.

Strikeforce light heavyweight Roger Gracie is considered by some to be the greatest competition BJJ player ever.

As an MMA fighter he's largely an unproven commodity, but he's making the right moves by training with Georges St. Pierre in advance of his bout against Trevor Prangley at Strikeforce: Diaz vs Cyborg. 

GSP talks to Sherdog about training with Gracie:

Last year, UFC welterweight champion Georges St. Pierre traveled to London to see a friend. He heard that the accomplished Gracie ran an academy in the city, so he paid a visit.

"I got my ass kicked pretty bad," St. Pierre remembers. "I had to stay, and it started from there."

A heady exchange of knowledge commenced, and a partnership was formed. Gracie helped St. Pierre train for his 2010 fights, and St. Pierre traveled to London this month to help Gracie prepare for his bout against Trevor Prangley this Saturday at Strikeforce "Diaz vs. Cyborg" in San Jose, Calif.

"[Roger] is very good at bringing the fight where he wants it -- on the floor," St. Pierre says. "He's a lot better than people think. He's not only a jiu-jitsu guy. Roger, he's a true mixed martial artist."

Gracie is also training boxing with Clay O'Shea and picked up some pointers from boxing great Joe Calzaghe when his son came to the same gym as Roger to train.

The thing about Roger Gracie is he's so good at jiu jitsu that he only has to get decent at the other aspects of the game to be a real force. The gulf between world champion BJJ players and BJJ black belts is often discussed. Gracie is the rare case where we can discuss the gulf between the best BJJ player ever and your average world champion.

Because he's so dangerous on the ground he will have a much easier time making opponents worry about his striking and wrestling. As long as a fighter is in the cage with Roger Gracie there will be a voice in his head shouting "do NOT go to the ground with this guy". That limits a fighter's options seriously. And if Roger can establish himself as a striking threat, that only makes it easier for him to work for take downs.

And if Roger establishes himself as a threat to get the take down, that only makes landing strikes that much easier. 

Gracie's progress in MMA has been slow but I'm excited to see him take another step against Trevor Prangley on Saturday. Prangley is a man not to be taken lightly as Keith Jardine learned recently. Prangley is also a true middleweight who'll be giving up a lot of reach to Gracie. He's also in his late 30's. He's a perfect opponent to test Roger and the thing about stern tests is sometimes you fail them. 

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great article

there is not enough discussion about how different disciples feed of each other in mma.

everyone says so-and-so’s wrestling is so good (say mark munoz). but if guys know it’s coming they can stuff it (okami).

why is it that munoz is a worse mma wrestler than gsp? it’s not the tools, it’s how you put them together.

here’s hoping roger can use his bjj to make his striking more fearsome.

by Clifford J on Jan 28, 2011 9:08 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

watching roger's Bjj is like watching all the gears of a pocket watch work together.

His boxing was enough to hold off an aged Randleman. I am sure he will keep improving.
 I think roger is gonna be a force in mma. He has been getting ready for mma since he was born.

"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."

"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison."

by the-gentle-way on Jan 28, 2011 9:16 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

another good example

chael sonnen knocking down a. silva in the first round of their fight – using the threat of the td to set up aggressive striking. putting it all together.

i hope you’re right about roger he sounds awesome.

by Clifford J on Jan 28, 2011 9:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Roger reminds me of Aoki and (until recently) Maia

Maia appears to have retired from competition BJJ (both gi and no-gi) and into MMA full-time, whereas it’s the other way around for Roger — this is just a stop-off before it’s off to ADCC and Mundials 2011.

Incidentally, Roger has tapped Aoki (footlock) no-gi and holds a points win over Maia.

by Chortles on Jan 28, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

The double “so good” attack in this sentence threw me off a little: “The thing about Roger Gracie is he’s so good at jiu jitsu that he only has to get so good at the other aspects of the game to be a real force.”

It’s great to hear that Roger is working with some legit guys to improve his all around game, I hope he stays focused on his MMA career. I worry maybe Prangley will still be too much for him at this stage, but then again a loss wouldn’t be anything to be ashamed over either.

by Horselover Fat on Jan 28, 2011 9:20 AM EST reply actions  

ah good edit thanks

will change

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by Nate Wilcox on Jan 28, 2011 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

I´ve met Roger when he was about 17 years old and blue belt

He was spending sometime in my hometown, living and training with his uncles (Rillion and Crolin Gracie). Rolles was living here too at that time, but IIRC he was a purple belt then.

I´ve used to train at Rillion´s academy and Rolles was already a menace by then, but I never rolled with Roger — he used to spend more time at Crolin´s academy — and I would never have imagined that he would become such a great BJJ champion.

by edtSD on Jan 28, 2011 9:25 AM EST reply actions  

roger varied the technique.

Marcelo chokes similarly. That’s why his choke is so effective and his kill rate is so much higher once he takes the back.

"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."

"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison."

by the-gentle-way on Jan 28, 2011 9:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Who is Marcelo?

"I am very confident this fight can go either way"

by SpL on Jan 28, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

marcelo garcia

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by Nate Wilcox on Jan 28, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

The Bjj Trinity

Roger, Marcelo Garcia, and Jacare Souza

"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."

"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison."

by the-gentle-way on Jan 28, 2011 10:28 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

TRI-nity as in three?

And I didn’t name them that. Its kinda established.
Other guys are good but those three are the best. Xande,bramilo, Cyborg Abreu, Maia , the list gos on.

"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."

"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison."

by the-gentle-way on Jan 28, 2011 1:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Is that the one where you grip your shoulder instead of your bicep and push their head away with the back of your hand?

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by StevenGiles on Jan 28, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

It kinda looks modified like Fedor vs Sylvia.

Like he is crushing the larynx with the forearm instead of the choking both carotids. I could be wrong though.

BOOSH

by Farthammer on Jan 28, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Fedor clasped hands

If I remember correctly. It’s a more Judo style. You will rarely get an actual passout from it, as you are only hitting one carotid at best, but it will totally flatten your trachea. Let’s you REALLY get your shoulder into the back of their head to force them down and forward. This is not that, but I agree that it looks like he’s going for a pain tapout. Randleman wasn’t smart here. He should have done a Jimmerson and tapped shortly after it hit the ground. He’ll never be a famous opera performer after a choke like that.

by Hedonismbot on Jan 28, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Roger put him to sleep.

"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."

"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison."

by the-gentle-way on Jan 28, 2011 1:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

'son of the legendary Joe Calzaghe'.........I dont think ether of his sons box at all......in anyway

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by RealIrish on Jan 28, 2011 9:39 AM EST reply actions  

take it up with sherdog

they reported that Calzaghe’s son is an up and comer and is training Gracie.

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by Nate Wilcox on Jan 28, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Huh, I wonder if they meant to refer to Enzo on that one...

Calzaghe’s boys are still a bit young, although I suppose the elder son must be right around the age where he could be on the amateur circuit. Never have seen any word of it though.

by Brent Ducharme on Jan 28, 2011 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

As per Sherdog
The son of retired Welsh boxing great Joe Calzaghe trains at Gracie’s academy and was drawn to a recent training session when word spread that St. Pierre was in town. The undefeated Calzaghe ended up offering Gracie his assistance and some tips to defend Prangley’s stout right hand.

Sounds like Calzaghe’s son (also called Joe) trains at Gracie’s academy and dad popped in with a few tips. It seems unlikely Calzaghe’s son would be training Gracie in boxing as Calzaghe’s two boys are 16 and 13.

by mtherer on Jan 28, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

I dig the fact that the younger Joe is training with Gracie.

I wonder if Calzaghe just offered a few words or just how extensive that was…

by Brent Ducharme on Jan 28, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

i have not watched that many bjj matches

but my favorite was in a ‘with-Gi’ comp, where Roger was losing to Jacare but managed to get an armbar… Jacare does not tap, has his arm broken, but walks out the champion…

for me, it says a lot about both men.

by gabriezim on Jan 28, 2011 9:40 AM EST reply actions  

yea that was intence...

I think they should have given it to Roger since… you know ….. he broke his fuckin arm. If the ref would have noticed sooner he would have.

"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."

"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison."

by the-gentle-way on Jan 28, 2011 9:45 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

after that the rules changed to the ref can stop a match for injury

by hewsdaddy on Jan 28, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

That was the 2004 Mundials

Roger got his revenge by piggyback RNC’ing him the year after in the ADCC 2005 openweight (“absolute”) final.

by Chortles on Jan 28, 2011 6:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Hopefully he can learn how to change levels like GSP.

And mix his striking and takedowns in so he isnt just diving at people.

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by Tokyo Sandblaster on Jan 28, 2011 10:11 AM EST reply actions  

Agreed

Though I can see him just pulling guard like he did in, I believe 2010’s Mundials.

The article by the way on Sherdog has Roger Gracie discussing his critique of his opposition in BJJ, i.e. finding great, even brilliant guard games but lesser mount defense, and wanting to be able to bring that level of weakness-finding/exploitation in MMA.

by Chortles on Jan 28, 2011 6:47 PM EST up reply actions  

The headline is a bit misleading.

It sure sounds like St. Pierre is training WITH Roger, not actually training him.

by hoohoofred on Jan 28, 2011 11:07 AM EST reply actions  

and St. Pierre traveled to London this month to help Gracie prepare for his bout against Trevor Prangley this Saturday at Strikeforce “Diaz vs. Cyborg” in San Jose, Calif.

by fitefan on Jan 28, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes, he trained with him

He didn’t oversee his training or prepare a gameplan or coach him in any way (from what i’ve read, at least) – he trained with him.

by hoohoofred on Jan 28, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Its also interesting that Braulio Estima was training with them. Pretty good people to know

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by StevenGiles on Jan 28, 2011 11:14 AM EST reply actions  

What does it take

to get Prangly a fight at MW?

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by Chris Barton on Jan 28, 2011 11:47 AM EST reply actions  

Danmit

I’d love to see this guy fight. Stupid lack of showtime. How good is his striking and wrestling? It sounds likes its a work in progress, but if he can develop a strong striking game or wrestling game then his BJJ skills would take him far

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by sitnam90 on Jan 28, 2011 12:33 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I’m not all that familiar with pure BJJ…is Gracie really the best grappler ever? Better then a Jacare? or Maia? Or Marcelo Garcia?

Or……Dare I say it…Rickson?

by Fedorable on Jan 28, 2011 12:34 PM EST reply actions  

Roger by armbar

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by StevenGiles on Jan 28, 2011 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, yes, maybe, and who knows?

Ironically Jacare is 2-1 against Roger in the World Jiu-Jitsu Championship (“Mundials”), including the broken arm, but in both cases on points; Roger holds a European Open Championship win over him, and a famous piggyback RNC win in no-gi at the ADCC 2005 openweight final.

Roger’s wiki page mentions a 2002 Brazilian Teams Championship win over Demian Maia on points… even though Roger was only a brown belt then while Maia was a black belt.

Marcelo Garcia’s possibly the best p4p, but Gracie is recorded to be 2-0 against him at the Mundials — once on points, once by submission.

As for Rickson… coughcough

by Chortles on Jan 28, 2011 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

To borrow someone else's joke on how to tap Roger Gracie

Ask Roger if this rag smells like chloroform, then use a video camera and puppet strings. (WARNING: Do not actually attempt to apply submission hold onto Roger Gracie’s unconscious body.)

by Chortles on Jan 28, 2011 6:40 PM EST reply actions  

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