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Manny Pacquiao's Departure Leaves Hole in HBO's Programming MMA Could Fill

MANILA PHILIPPINES - NOVEMBER 20:  Boxer and congressman Manny Pacquiao sings with youngest daughter Queen Elizabeth during his concert in Manila following his win of the WBC super welterweight crown against Mexican Antonio Margarito on November 20 2010 in Manila Philippines. (Photo by Dondi Tawatao/Getty Images)

When Manny Pacquiao signed a deal to leave HBO for Showtime for his upcoming fight against Shane Mosley it marked yet another in a series of blows to HBO's former status as the premier home for boxing. The network had long been established as the home of the best fighters and fights, but in recent years Showtime has picked up their game and started to offer bouts that are far more compelling to the average fan. There also seems to be a more well thought out strategy of how to approach the sport at Showtime.

There have been periods of talks between HBO and the UFC to bring the world's premier MMA promotion into the HBO Sports family but all have stalled for the same reasons as any UFC network deals. Simply, HBO refuses to give up control of production and the UFC knows that their style of production is a part of their branding and simply too valuable to give up to any network. One wonders if the current failing state of HBO's boxing department may open the door for talks to resume with the network accepting the UFC's conditions.

Thomas Hauser's fantastic piece at Max Boxing on Pacquiao's departure sheds light on HBO's problems:

Non-competitive fights, low ratings, inconsistent announcing, and stale production values have been ongoing problems.
 
The network that brought boxing fans the scintillating Gatti-Ward and Barrera-Morales trilogies now can’t even make the first in what would be a trilogy-worthy series of fights.
 
2011 looks to be a repeat of the erratic programming that has typified HBO boxing in recent years. A lot has been made of the upcoming bout between Timothy Bradley and Devon Alexander. In a vacuum, it’s an intriguing fight. Bradley and Alexander are good young fighters but HBO is spending close to $4,000,000 on the license fee, marketing, and production costs for a fight that most likely will draw a poor rating because only hardcore boxing fans are interested in it. Also, styles make fights and this could turn out to be a boring styles match-up.
 
Worse, HBO has mortgaged its future to make Bradley-Alexander. Each fighter (in tandem with his respective promoter) has been guaranteed a second fight for a license fee of at least $3,000,000. This means that, unless their first encounter warrants a rematch, three fights involving these two boxers will command almost 25% of HBO’s license fees in 2011.

Of course, there are major obstacles in this line of thinking. The UFC's deal with Versus puts them squarely in bed with NBC with the Comcast/NBC merger. While Zak Woods did a nice job of explaining why Versus turning into the NBC Sports network is probably a long ways off, it's hard to see the UFC being able to have a deal with Time Warner as well as Comcast/NBC. Still, the UFC's relationship with Viacom (Spike TV) has not caused any sort of issue, so maybe the door is somewhat open.

Aside from the production struggle, there is the little matter of pay-per-view. HBO would have to be willing to air UFC events knowing that there is no PPV money at the end of the rainbow. It would be a big change from the boxing model of building up fighters to be able to eventually get them on PPV and make big money. Of course, HBO has had to scale back on their number of boxing PPVs dramatically thanks to not doing a good job of actually building up their fighters. Respected boxing attorney Pat English spoke to that in Hauser's Max Boxing piece:

"HBO has to get back an understanding of what its subscribers and potential subscribers want to see. There is a fundamental lack of understanding at HBO that people have to care about the fighters who are on HBO if HBO is going to get good ratings. There should be a premium on fights and fighters that are fan-friendly. There should not be an award for being associated with certain people who are in favor at HBO."

There are many other significant issues behind the scenes at HBO Sports that are detailed in the Hauser article but there is a desperate need for a shot in the arm. With Showtime airing Strikeforce events, HBO would have the opportunity to counter in a huge way by landing the UFC for a handful of yearly dates.

Of course, this is all likely to be wasted speculation as the initial hurdle of production control is likely to never be cleared and HBO will probably just throw huge amounts of cash at the next Pacquiao fight and lure him back.

But hey, what's wrong with a little speculation?

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HBO is not the answer

sports dont get mainstream by limiting the amount of people who can watch them. spike allows 90 millionh houses to watch while HBO/Showtime only allow roughly 30 million each

boxing has lost popularity for a number of reasons but one is that HBO broadcasts most important fights on ppv and other fights on their channel so the average fan who isnt forking over 60 bucks or 20 a month stopped caring

the UFC still has a big presence on cable tv and is rapidly growing, they want to expand the amount of people who can watch, not diminish it

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by milk72 on Jan 25, 2011 8:47 PM EST reply actions  

HBO broadcasts meaningful fights

But the problem is boxing has all but lost the cable TV market beyond some delayed FSN stuff and Friday Night Fights on ESPN2, which showcases nothing but prospects and Delvin Rodriguez.

The UFC is slowly moving away from utterly pointless headliners like Sam Stout vs. Spencer Fisher II (not that it was a bad fight, but it was completely irrelevant to the division) to far better and more meaningful main events on free TV. Sanchez vs. Kampmann, Guillard vs. Dunham, and Guida vs. Pettis are some examples for this year alone.

If you want to expand beyond the UFC then Strikeforce airs (aired?) title fights on CBS, and boxing has not been on network TV for years.

Boxing as a TV viewing sport is in a coma while MMA is full of life.

Fire Gus "What's a screen?" Bradley.

by SSreporters on Jan 25, 2011 9:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Boxing LOL
it marked yet another in a series of blows to HBO’s former status as the premier home for boxing.

That’s like saying the premier home for shuffle board or something. No one cares about boxing at all anymore. I understand the reference, it just sounded funny to me.

by KidThunder on Jan 25, 2011 8:56 PM EST reply actions  

Really?

Just because you don’t care doesn’t mean everybody else does either. Manny Pacquiao probably made more money than everybody in the UFC put together last year, I’m pretty sure that means people still care.

by av1o3 on Jan 25, 2011 9:04 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

People still care about the big fights and big fighters in boxing.

by Hardcase on Jan 25, 2011 9:26 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

What a dumb statement.

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by TooLegitToQuit on Jan 25, 2011 9:35 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Uh, a ton of people care about boxing.

Way more than they care about MMA, unfortunately.

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by xFenixKnightx on Jan 25, 2011 10:07 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Wow

So people care about a small handful of superstars. Huge news flash. Also, there is no way boxing could sell 300 to 1million PPVs every month, month in month out for years on end. The structure just isn’t there.

I understand boxing has fans, but it’s really really quite small.

by KidThunder on Jan 26, 2011 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok tell me if my thinking is right

HBO pays licensing fees to broadcast a Boxing event like Alxander Bradley. Wouldn’t it be easy for them to just pay the fee and let UFC do its thing and just sit back and let the piece fall and make a couple bucks?

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by MaZZacare on Jan 25, 2011 9:01 PM EST reply actions  

The want their own broadcasters and their own production team controlling things.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 25, 2011 9:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Larry Merchant on post-fight interviews would be awful

“Melvin…….what………did………..you…………see……………..in that……………first round that………..gave you……..the advantage…….the rest of the way?”

Fire Gus "What's a screen?" Bradley.

by SSreporters on Jan 25, 2011 9:27 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I always enjoyed Larry

I think his arrogance is his main flaw not his knowledge. He also is a bit like Jim Grey in that he will ask tough questions to guys who could pummel him.

Root for the home team jack ass

by KING FEDOR on Jan 26, 2011 7:22 AM EST up reply actions  

As they should

Rogan looks hungover and creepy and Goldie is clueless.

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by xFenixKnightx on Jan 25, 2011 10:08 PM EST up reply actions  

You know the production team goes far, far beyond just those two guys, right?

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by Goonisis on Jan 25, 2011 10:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup.

I was Just replying to Brent about the broadcasters.

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by xFenixKnightx on Jan 25, 2011 10:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m sure there is an amount of money that will lead to one or both sides compromising on this, but if there is a lack of big time boxing matches on the network, it may make sense for them to get rid of the boxing people and take on the UFC’s people.

by Phildo on Jan 25, 2011 10:26 PM EST up reply actions  

but why why not let ufc do its thing all you gotta do is broadcast and let everyone else do its own thing if you could make a 100000000 sitting on a beach doing nothing would you not take that deal

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by MaZZacare on Jan 25, 2011 10:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Because if you truly want to start selling MMA to the Masses as a Sport, you need to remove the most obvious conflict of intrest in the equation. In this case, it is when “promoter” is providing the announcers and has complete control of the production. This provides an Unbiased point of view on the “competition” at hand. You do not see the NHL, NBA, MLB, NFL, F1, etc. provide commentary to their own product during the broadcast of said events. That is why most networks and HBO not budging on this Issue. You do not go to the Carnie and ask him whether the magician at his show is real or whether the treatment of the animals are below standard. No matter what there is a bias present.

by pRoXiMo on Jan 26, 2011 1:10 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Right, a planet that contains the Yes network would never be able to handle the league providing the commentators.

by Phildo on Jan 26, 2011 1:18 AM EST up reply actions  

I am sorry your reference is unknown to myself. Anyways if you don’t understand the conflict of intrests when the promoter is the provider of the presentation, It does’nt matter to me, your perogative to be naive in this situation. I was just answering your question.

by pRoXiMo on Jan 26, 2011 1:31 AM EST up reply actions  

The Yes network is the network owned by the Yankees that airs a majority of Yankee games.

You are the one that is being naive, look at how sports are going/are. MLB Network, NBA TV, NFL Network, NHL Network, YES (Yankees), SNY (mets), MSG (knicks and Rangers), Big 10 Network, Longhorn Network, NESN (red sox and Bruins), ESPN owns 6 of the bowl games they aired this year, almost every major league baseball, basketball, hockey, and football game is aired on local radio by people hired by the teams, and that’s just off the top of my head.

The owners/promoters/whatever provide the presentation a very, very large portion of the time when it comes to sports in the US.

by Phildo on Jan 26, 2011 1:38 AM EST up reply actions  

And besides all that, how many of the games that aren’t aired on networks owned/run by the leagues/teams have former players or other people that shill just as hardly.

Does the fact that CBS paid Gus to call Kimbo/Petruzellit the biggest upset in the history of the sport make it better? Does the fact that Comcast airs Celtics games make Tommy Heinsohn unbiased?

by Phildo on Jan 26, 2011 1:55 AM EST up reply actions  

You have provided recent examples of this occurence but you still have’nt recognized that this a confilict of interest that provides a very biased outlook, which should’nt be occuring regardless. Like i said i don’t care to argue with you on this…have a good day.

by pRoXiMo on Jan 26, 2011 2:30 AM EST up reply actions  

People pay to see the fight

People are paying to see the fight, not hear the announcers. If they are really agregious, maybe people will quit watching, but every other sport is FULL of homers calling the games of their favorite teams. Also, when’s the last time you saw an NFL announcer be truly critical of the league?

by NO82 on Jan 26, 2011 8:00 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s not recent. Tommy points have been announcing since 1980, MSG network started in 1969, who knows how long teams have provided radio commentary for baseball and other sports.

I understand why you would think that it is biased, but that is how sports are done. If it is the major problem you make it out to be the sports landscape would be drastically different, but it isn’t, because it’s not a problem.

by Phildo on Jan 26, 2011 8:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Most of the planet doesn’t watch Yankees games on the Yes Network, does it?

by VirtualBalboa on Jan 26, 2011 2:08 AM EST up reply actions  

the majority of people that watch yankee games do.

by Phildo on Jan 26, 2011 8:39 AM EST up reply actions  

The planet is big, and when the Yanks are televised nationally to an audience 20X the size of the one the YES Network is allowed to show the game to, they’re not nearly as big a set of homers for them. Just as it is with any local team’s coverage compared to national coverage. HBO televising boxing represents national coverage.

by VirtualBalboa on Jan 26, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

But the Yankees are televise regionally much more than they are televise nationally, which is where most of the stuff comes from.

And even I concede your point. Does comcast hiring tommy or CBS paying Gus Johnson to make the biased remarks some how make it better? this is not an issue in the real world.

by Phildo on Jan 26, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Of course they do. And they want a hand in deciding what fights are going to air. They don’t want to pay big money to the UFC for shitty UFN fights.

by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 26, 2011 9:50 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

That's where it would never work

Both companies would want their own people taking care of the production and announcing.

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by 49er16 on Jan 25, 2011 9:31 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

They probably know how shitty UFC's production team is.

HBO’s format and presentation blows UFC’s so far out of the fucking water it’s not even funny.

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by TooLegitToQuit on Jan 25, 2011 9:36 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Disagree. HBO blows.

Showtime kicks the crap out of HBO for boxing.

Lampley and Merchant have become unlistenable. The low point is the Lennox Lewis Era.

Fire Gus "What's a screen?" Bradley.

by SSreporters on Jan 25, 2011 9:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Kellerman hasn’t replaced Merchant yet?

/Tells you how long it’s been since I watched HBO Boxing.

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by 49er16 on Jan 25, 2011 9:41 PM EST up reply actions  

They alternate

Kellerman is okay but he really gets all preachy in his on-camera stuff after the fights.

Fire Gus "What's a screen?" Bradley.

by SSreporters on Jan 25, 2011 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

He hosts a talk show in Los Angeles now

He thinks a New York style talk show would work in Los Angeles. It’s turned of people in LA.

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by 49er16 on Jan 25, 2011 9:50 PM EST up reply actions  

It's really just Merchant. Lampley is still great, IMO.

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by xFenixKnightx on Jan 25, 2011 10:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Lampley sounds like he doesn't give a damn about boxing anymore

Listen to him on an undercard of a PPV. Sometimes its warranted and other times he comes off whiny.

He’s making mistakes he never used to make to, like the 9-9 round from Pacquiao/Cotto, “Roberto Guerrero”, and a few other things. Probably down to age.

Fire Gus "What's a screen?" Bradley.

by SSreporters on Jan 25, 2011 10:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Lol nice

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by xFenixKnightx on Jan 25, 2011 10:26 PM EST up reply actions  

And Harold never fails to yell everything

He always sounds like someone is squezzing his balls but his scorecards are almost always correct.

Root for the home team jack ass

by KING FEDOR on Jan 26, 2011 7:28 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not talking about the announcers..

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by TooLegitToQuit on Jan 25, 2011 10:20 PM EST up reply actions  

This is a bogus statement

The UFC’s production team is top shelf and quite technically proficient. While the window dressing may have gotten somewhat stale, in terms of running an MMA show and broadcasting it to the masses without major hiccups, the UFC is second to none.

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by Worldisart on Jan 25, 2011 10:23 PM EST up reply actions  

HBO

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by TooLegitToQuit on Jan 25, 2011 10:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Care to explain?

Has HBO ever broadcast an MMA show? Do their camera operators and floor directors know the angles and position to shoot from? Does their truck crew, director and switcher understand what’s happening in the cage well enough to keep the show running at an even and consistent pace while allowing the audience to be able to see what’s going on?

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by Worldisart on Jan 25, 2011 10:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Has HBO ever broadcast an MMA show?

That’s irrelevant to the subject.

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by TooLegitToQuit on Jan 25, 2011 10:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Hm...misread your post, Worldisart...

But in terms of running a boxing show, HBO is ‘second to none’..

I have no doubts that their production team can outclass the UFC’s. And this isn’t a ‘MMA vs. Boxing’ argument either, HBO Productions blows UFC’s out of the water.

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by TooLegitToQuit on Jan 25, 2011 10:40 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Apples and oranges

Broadcasting boxing and broadcasting MMA are two different things. Success and quality in one does not ensure the same in another.

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by Worldisart on Jan 25, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

More like apples and granny apples. Adapting to getting angles in the cage really wouldn’t be that hard.

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by toxic on Jan 25, 2011 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

This is true in a sense. I was told by Showtime team that does both sports that it is much tougher to cover the action in MMA because of the level changes from standing to mat work.

by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 26, 2011 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Alexander/Bradley is happening BECAUSE HBO pays for it. If there was no HBO money, there would be no fight. That’s the big difference here. They control not only the production, but the matchmaking in that scenario. They would do neither with the UFC.

by VirtualBalboa on Jan 25, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not even just the PPVs

it’s literally on everything they broadcast. Somebody should really change it already.

by av1o3 on Jan 25, 2011 9:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I noticed that they were using new music leading in to the next bouts or commercials during Fight For The Troops 2.

by thievesdont on Jan 25, 2011 9:14 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

I can also do without the evil dead organs before every fight..lol

by MMA_Revolution on Jan 25, 2011 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

That is irrelevant to the fights imo.

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by Tokyo Sandblaster on Jan 25, 2011 10:04 PM EST up reply actions  

It may have been cutting edge in 1999, but it’s corny and sets the douchebag meter on high for anyone sitting down to watch.

Fucking Rec’d!

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by xFenixKnightx on Jan 25, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

They know their demographic and they are targeting it

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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 26, 2011 4:43 AM EST up reply actions  

I logged in just to rec this. No more gladiator either, please.

by BilboMcFonzie on Jan 26, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

The Gladiator thing is fine.

But they really should get rid of the whole Nu-Metal thing though.

by doomrider7 on Jan 26, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm Sorry

but “Face the Pain” is arguably the most important musical opus of our time. How dare you.

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by loboplata on Jan 26, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Personally I love all that stuff. It has become so synonomous with the UFC it sort of gets me in the fight mood. And when you look at the UFC’s posters, if they tried to change their production I’m sure there’s a good chance they’d make it worse.

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by StevenGiles on Jan 26, 2011 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

He named his daughter Queen Elizabeth?

Also, this will probably lead to a CBS primetime show..

if the numbers are correct HBO gets to 28 million homes, CBS gets to 115 million.

Pretty good move for boxing and Pac.

by DirtyML on Jan 25, 2011 9:22 PM EST reply actions  

I know he hates MMA, but I’d bet Jim Lampley could still call a better UFC fight than Mike Goldberg, if given the proper time to prepare.

by steak_knife on Jan 25, 2011 9:23 PM EST reply actions  

"Bang!"

Just another reason why even Goldberg is still preferable to most.

by Hardcase on Jan 25, 2011 9:27 PM EST up reply actions  

“still preferable to most”. Not even Goldie’s supporters can think of anything good to say about him.

by smoogy2 on Jan 25, 2011 9:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Really?

Who?

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by Chris Hall on Jan 25, 2011 9:37 PM EST up reply actions  

You're asking me?

I’m the one asking the questions here!

Fire Gus "What's a screen?" Bradley.

by SSreporters on Jan 25, 2011 9:39 PM EST up reply actions  

haha

totally missed the ? on your post. Thought you were saying Goldie had supporters.

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by Chris Hall on Jan 25, 2011 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

You guys read like a cop show script.

by fitefan on Jan 25, 2011 11:12 PM EST up reply actions  

So you’d honestly prefer Lampley, even though he hates MMA?

by Hardcase on Jan 25, 2011 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

BANG!

Lampley has lost his mind hearing him call boxing.

Fire Gus "What's a screen?" Bradley.

by SSreporters on Jan 25, 2011 9:28 PM EST up reply actions  

If you told me this during Gatti/Ward and Lampley liked MMA, I'd be for it

Otherwise nothing good can come out of this.

Fire Gus "What's a screen?" Bradley.

by SSreporters on Jan 25, 2011 9:28 PM EST up reply actions  

"Bang!"

Lampley hates MMA/UFC. When he guest hosted for Rome at least seven years back, I can remember him going on a huge rant on why MMA/UFC is inferior to boxing.

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by 49er16 on Jan 25, 2011 9:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I am a big boxing fan

Boxing has taken a back seat to MMA for me for as long as I can remember. I live in Vegas and towards the end of 2010, vegas hosted some of the best boxing can offer. JM Lopez/R. Marquez, JM Marquez/Katsidis and Khan/Maidana. I purchased tix for $50 bucks and got upgraded every time. It hurt to see a 15,000 seat arena hold 4,500 people for each of these fights. I consider myself a hardcore fan and knew enough to know these fights would be sick, as they were. The fact that no one gave a rats ass for these fighter and fighters says something about the state of boxing. I can’t not like boxing but I can’t help but feel they’ve don’t this to themselves. I mean if boxers get outrageous paydays and there’s so much at risk for these fighters if they lose, I can’t blame them for not risking much and doing what they can, all be it boring, to win the fight and get that check. Unfortunately, it comes at the price of millions of fans, much pun intended.

by Cestus84 on Jan 25, 2011 9:49 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

LMFAO at the production issues.

That’s EXACTLY where both companies would help each other out. UFC has the best fighters and formula, and HBO is a beast at production. It would add a ton of prestige to the UFC as well. 24/7>>>>>>>>> UFC Primetime.

Any who, it ain’t happening. IMO it would have been sweet if HBO scooped up Bellator. Then they would have been able to copromote with Strikeforce much easier.

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by xFenixKnightx on Jan 25, 2011 10:02 PM EST reply actions  

Also, I honestly believe UFC hired all the old WCW production crew.

As someone said before on here. UFC comes off as some early 90’s wrestling when it comes to intro, music and packages.

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by xFenixKnightx on Jan 25, 2011 10:03 PM EST up reply actions  

You are aware that the term “production” encompasses far more than the announcers and the intro? Production in the case of a live event is largely focused on the execution of the event itself, something which the UFC does almost seamlessly in terms of keeping their shows running at a reasonable clip with few technical issues and top notch camera work and live cutting.

There’s a debate to be had about the aesthetics of the show but that’s more a matter of opinion and personal taste. In terms of technical execution, the UFC is second to none in the world of MMA.

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by Worldisart on Jan 25, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

“[T]he UFC is second to none in the world of MMA.”

This is a pretty meaningless statement.

by Mike Fagan on Jan 25, 2011 10:37 PM EST up reply actions  

That's nonsense.

WARGODZ destroys all other competition. They are second to none.

Fire Gus "What's a screen?" Bradley.

by SSreporters on Jan 25, 2011 10:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Couldn't agree more.

Just like saying Jack White was the best musician in the White Stripes, calling the UFC the best production in MMA is tells you nothing considering that the rest of the field show as much competence as a drunk howler monkey trying to fuck a shampoo bottle.

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by pdl on Jan 26, 2011 12:16 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Yes I'm very aware. Also, UFC camera work is not perfect.

All camera crews make mistakes.

Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."

by xFenixKnightx on Jan 25, 2011 10:45 PM EST up reply actions  

How do you figure HBO would help Bellator copromote with Strikeforce?

You do realize that Strikeforce is in bed with one of HBO’s main competitors in Showtime right? If anything, a deal with HBO would further close the door on co-promotion between the two orgs.

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by Worldisart on Jan 25, 2011 10:27 PM EST up reply actions  

TopRank and GoldenBoy do it all the time between the two.

Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."

by xFenixKnightx on Jan 25, 2011 10:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Ya, but SHO and HBO don’t.

by fitefan on Jan 25, 2011 11:17 PM EST up reply actions  

HBO’s hole is definitely about to get filled. Showtime is loading both barrels with awesomeness in 2011.

by smoogy2 on Jan 25, 2011 11:07 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

From Media Bistro - NBC Sports is not so far off

"NBC is letting John Miller do what he does best: create an agency within the Peacock. Miller, who ran the NBC Agency from 1999-2010 will develop the NBC Sports Agency as the network looks to ramp up its sports broadcasting game… "

by Papercut Elbow on Jan 26, 2011 12:18 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

LOL, I swear I was gonna write this article

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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 26, 2011 4:32 AM EST reply actions  

Of course, this is all likely to be wasted speculation as the initial hurdle of production control is likely to never be cleared and HBO will probably just throw huge amounts of cash at the next Pacquiao fight and lure him back.

1. UFC will never give up control of production

2. HBO Sports will never broadcast an event it doesn’t have control of the production for

3. HBO Sports will never put on an MMA promotion that is not the premier org in the sport (UFC)

Therefore: MMA will never be on HBO. At least without major changes in the leadership of one of the two entities.

by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Jan 26, 2011 12:12 PM EST reply actions  

interesting post.

 I dont see UFC or HBO having any benefit. If both parties were able to benefit from it, I say do it. But, UFC isnt gonna budge on the production. I think, based on what I have read that HBO looks a Showtime with envy. They would have a big one up on Showtime, if UFC was their MMA partners. If HBO gets into the MMA landscape, I would realistically see them going after Bellator or someone like that with a little brand recognition. They would like to be calling all the shots i.e. SHowtime/Strikeforce. UFC/Zuffa is never gonna allow that.

If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?

by whardiek on Jan 26, 2011 6:34 PM EST reply actions  

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