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UFC Lightweight Division Due for a Bloodbath

Jamie Varner won't be the last well known lightweight to be cut by the UFC.

I've been bracing myself all day for news that the UFC had cut some of the fighters who lost at UFC Fight for the Troops 2 on Saturday. So far it's been quiet. But I don't expect that to remain the case.

Dave Meltzer wrote about the UFC's roster issues in last week's Wrestling Observer (subscription required):

The reality is with the WEC merger, there are going to be a lot of cuts, and in the lightweight division, because there are so many fighters on the roster, there will probably be some name fighters cut after losing (such as Jamie Varner). There are about 270 fighters on the roster and based on simple math of giving guys the opportunity for fights every four months or so if they aren't injured, the roster should be closer to 200. And there are always going to be good prospects you want to sign, or people getting in as last minute replacements, so there are going to be a lot of loser leaves town type matches coming up and a lot of losers, even some who lose exciting fights, who are going to be cut. Another thing that is likely to happen is that some UFC prelim fighters will be given the opportunity to take fights outside the organization and remain under contract simply so they can get three fights in. Also, if you aren't a big name, the leverage in turning down fights is a lot smaller because the roster spots are so competitive. They've added a 12th fight on a lot of the shows so they can keep talent busy but even with an addition of one fight per show this year, so that helps some as it's the equivalent of adding 16 usable roster spots.

Sherdog breaks down the details of overcrowding by division:

Lightweights, meanwhile, resembling the Indy 500, with every lane packed and six-deep with guys jockeying for position. To be blunt: there are simply too many of them to keep, with 70 listed on the active roster. Featherweight, meanwhile, has 29 guys under contract, but only 16 with more than one win. Compared to lightweight, it's a virtual ghost town.

And the 135-pound division has 22 fighters, which invites further opportunity for feathers at a crossroads once the influx of lightweights begins.

While the Monday-morning cuts from that roster supply a final jolt of post-event newsiness, at lightweight, the competition is simply ruthless. It's a product of marketability, name value, and size. A heavyweight slugger like Patrick Barry, with proven bonafides, can lose his next two or maybe three fights and probably wouldn't be let go. Lightweights get no such assurances.

When it could take a solid hour to assemble your list of the UFC's top twenty 155ers, given how crowded the pool is, the bottom half will no doubt be taking a long look at the scales and the steam room to stay relevant. And when that happens, the domino effect will trickle down to 135.

BE's own Jonathan Snowden spoke about the likely impact this "trickle down" migration will have on the featherweight and bantamweight divisions a couple of weeks ago and how it means you can "Forget What You Think You Know About the Featherweight Division":

Luke Thomas has been preaching this point for some time on his MMA Nation radio show. The featherweight division just hasn't settled in yet - it's too new to have even determined who the best fighters in the division are, let alone how they fit in the broader framework of MMA. And now that there is UFC money in the division, everything is going to change. It will be a cataclysmic year for featherweight rankings as tons of fighters just like Poirier will try their hand at 145.
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The featherweight division, as we know it, is an artificial construct. The rankings are all meaningless, even our great USA Today/SBNation Consensus MMA Rankings. Until the UFC level talent at 155 settles into the division and makes their mark, everything is a guessing game. What happened in the WEC is irrelevant. A guy like Poirier, a 155 pounder who lost a preliminary undercard bout to Danny Castillo in the WEC a few short months ago, just wrecked the WEC's top featherweight contender. Forget what you think you know. Until further notice the featherweight division should be promoted with an asterisk that reads "Under Construction."

For UFC lightweights who are able to make the cut down to 145lbs this is an exciting, albeit dangerous time. But for those 155lb'ers who've already cut off every pound they can every fight will be a must win.

Look at Evan Dunham. After getting pasted by Melvin Guillard Saturday, he's suddenly on a two fight losing streak. This is despite Dana White declaring him the winner of his split decision loss to Sean Sherk at UFC 119. Not long ago Dunham was an undefeated young fighter on a four fight UFC win streak, including an emphatic win over long-time contender Tyson Griffin. Now he's potentially on the chopping block. I don't think it's his time, but his next fight will be a must win. That's a sudden fall from grace for Dunham.

Of the lightweights who lost on Saturday, I'd say the most likely to be cut is Willamy Freire who made his UFC debut in a loss to Waylon Lowe. Normally I'd expect the kid to get a second chance, but times are hard and the division is overcrowded.

Cody McKenzie lost to Yves Edwards but he's a veteran of The Ultimate Fighter and he's now 1-1 in the big show. I expect him to get one more shot.

Cole Miller should be safe for at least one, and probably two more losses. He's not only a TUF veteran, he's also a proven commodity in the division with a 6-3 record going back to 2006. Miller should be in the good graces of Zuffa.

Featherweight Mike Brown is in a different, and far more precarious position. The former WEC 145lb champ has gone 2-3 since losing his belt and looked flat on Saturday in a loss to Rani Yahya. Yahya needed a win desperately after 2 straight losses in his last WEC fights. Even with a win his next fight is a must win as well. As for the former champ, I expect Brown to be cut. 

George Roop is another 145lber who might be gone after Saturday. If he was a lightweight rather than a featherweight I'd guarantee it. He's 1-2-1 in his current Zuffa stint, with one of those losses at 135lbs. This is his second run with the company, he fought for the UFC at 155lbs in 2008-2009 and went 1-2 before getting the axe. I'd put 50/50 odds on Roop being UFC history.

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In the coming months I think we're gonna be seeing a lot of LW start dropping down

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by Viva Italia on Jan 24, 2011 6:12 PM EST reply actions  

Miller said he could probably make 135

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by mburtoni on Jan 24, 2011 6:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

he's 6-1.

Now way

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by 79guy on Jan 24, 2011 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

So is roop

by disinferno06 on Jan 25, 2011 2:17 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

It'll be intersting to see how this effects the rest of the orgs

The domino effect and all that. Strikeforce hasn’t been gobbling up UFC washouts and Bellator is still more prospect based, but both orgs really need fresh faces.

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by Neil Manich on Jan 24, 2011 6:12 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

They will def pick up the scraps.

Frankly the UFC is gonna cut guys who are solid fighters, maybe just not UFC fighters, that doesnt mean they cant be SF or Bellator fighters.

Frankly SF needs all the LW they can get, look at their div.

Gilbert has already beat Punk, and Crusher, and will fight Crusher again. Punk just lost, JZ just lost, you have Fancy Pants, WIlcox, Billy E, Shaolin and maybe Noons.

Even if Aoki comes over that doesnt look promising.

Gilbert would have beaten everyone and the only big fight is an Aoki rematch, Fancy Pants, JZ, WIlcox, Noons, you cant honestly say those are big time title fights.

So they would def scoop up solid guys who may get cut, Chiquerim if he gets cut why wouldnt Bellator or SF put him on a card, a Challengers card, Varner could def get into Bellator.

Tyson if he was cut and doesnt drop to FW SF would sign him as well I think.

by Aldo27 on Jan 24, 2011 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

It's hard to say this with any certainty though

Because Strikeforce just hasn’t signed UFC scraps, like at all. And Bellator only picked up Huerta (special circumstance) and Neer for a one off superfight.

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by Neil Manich on Jan 24, 2011 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

This is true. As a matter of fact Coker said he wants to drift away from picking up the UFC “rejects” as they are dubbed by many.

by thievesdont on Jan 24, 2011 7:18 PM EST up reply actions  

If they can put a string of wins together in another organization then they can make the move to SF. The thing is LW fighters on the way up are going to be looking twice at the UFC before signing on the dotted line. At the same time the UFC won’t be as gung ho to sign. So SF can tap into more up and comers.

The big winners though will be Bellator and the Japanese promotions as the LWs match up size wise with more Japanese fighters.

by fitefan on Jan 24, 2011 8:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah the guys some of them think are scraps, like Jardine, but thats a guy who lost how many in a row?

I’m talking a UFC LW who loses a fight and gets cut, one loss like Chiquerim, if the UFC cut him SF or Bellator wouldnt pick him up?

A guy who loses 3, 4 in a row and gets cut ok SF wont go after him cause what value does he have? But a guy who loses a fight and in the LW div guys who lose one fight will be cut cause the div is so deep, thats not really considered picking up the scraps, a guy like Willamy Shooto 154lbs champ, loses a decision, good record, why wouldnt SF sign him and put him ona challenger card vs someone like Gurgel, Billy E, WIlcox? Another prospect or just anyone to fill in a fight, or Bellator putting him on a card.

And Bellator signed DT who fought in the WEC, I aint trying to spell his name, Devicius Tauravicius or whatever, he fought Reis in Bellator, he was a Zuffa fighter.

And Bellator has had plenty of UFC figters, they love that, they love announcing a former UFC fighter.

by Aldo27 on Jan 24, 2011 8:23 PM EST up reply actions  

But a guy who loses a fight and in the LW div guys who lose one fight will be cut cause the div is so deep, thats not really considered picking up the scraps, a guy like Willamy Shooto 154lbs champ, loses a decision, good record, why wouldnt SF sign him and put him ona challenger card vs someone like Gurgel, Billy E, WIlcox?

It’s considered picking up the scraps if people want to get on forums and make it look that way. If your good you should be able to pick up a couple of wins in another org and then get picked up. Of course you could have one fight in the UFC and lose get cut , win a Bellator tournament defend 5 times, win the SRC and Dream belts, wipe out ADCC and win the final 8 in K1, fight for SF do 10 fights and win their belt and some people will still describe you as a UFC reject.

I believe SF had a conditional deal in place with Daley that if he won a fight or two in another organization then they would close the deal.

by fitefan on Jan 24, 2011 8:49 PM EST up reply actions  

what are you talkin about?

All Strikeforce does is sign UFC wash outs

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by II SMASH II on Jan 24, 2011 6:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Its called

A joke

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by II SMASH II on Jan 24, 2011 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah, my bad

Regardless, the pic made me laugh.

by Hummus5989 on Jan 24, 2011 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

It would be sad to see MTB go.,,

but I can’t make a good case for keeping him around.

Like a lot of these guys, it’s too bad he got old before the division got the shine it deserved.

by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Jan 24, 2011 6:13 PM EST reply actions  

Brown is probably safe

for taking a fight at the last minute. DFW, Silva etc. love it when fighters step in to save their bacon from an injury. I think he gets one more shot. Roop may or may not get one more – solid highlight reel KO of Jung may permit him to stick around on the undercard for one more chance.

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by Cory Braiterman on Jan 24, 2011 6:15 PM EST reply actions  

Thing is, I don’t know that stepping in for a prelim fight with Yahya means as much as it generally does for Dana. Usually when guys step in and it’s considered significant, it’s a bigger fight. Even McKenzie vs Edwards was bigger.

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by James Brady on Jan 25, 2011 12:19 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not too sure if they'll cut Brown and Roop

because the FW division is still pretty shallow

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by Viva Italia on Jan 24, 2011 6:15 PM EST reply actions  

they could and will trim some fat. But less face it most guys fight 2 or 3 times a year. There is very few guys like a Phill Davis who will fight 4 times a year so 270 fighters will cover 36 shows a year with 22 fighters per card (11 bouts). 36×22=792 / 3 = 264 .
but yer some guys will move down to 145 f’sho.

by gingjok on Jan 24, 2011 6:16 PM EST reply actions  

Cole Miller, Cody, tyson, they have to drop down, beef up the FW div.

by Aldo27 on Jan 24, 2011 6:17 PM EST reply actions  

Why do people think Tyson can drop down?

His stegosaurus legs alone are probably a hundred pounds even. Another ten for what Rogan calls a “badonkadonk”. He’s stated in the past it was a nightmare dropping down to fight Faber. It sucks that his frame will limit his potential at LW, but he doesn’t have the option of dropping. Besides…Tyson’s still a solid fighter in the division and should stay in the UFC for awhile.

by David Castillo on Jan 24, 2011 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

He's on a two-fight losing streak though

And fought in the curtain jerker in his last appearance. I think he should be somewhat concerned about his prospects right now.

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by VenusBlue on Jan 24, 2011 6:37 PM EST up reply actions  

He got robbed really badly against Nik Lentz

even Dana White said in the press conference and he said he’s stickin around

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by Viva Italia on Jan 24, 2011 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

he got robbed in the gomi fight too….of his consciousness!!!!!!! thank you, thank you, i appreciate the applause. I will be in vegas on the 15th!

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by crinow on Jan 24, 2011 7:18 PM EST up reply actions  

this would have been rec’able if you didn’t pat yourself on the back ;)

by eyeIess on Jan 25, 2011 2:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Saw it live and was absolutely baffled by Lentz getting that decision.

by seanerk88 on Jan 25, 2011 1:11 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I didn't say he shouldn't

I’m just confident he’ll win his next string of fights since I believe he’ll likely be significantly better than whoever he’s matched up.

by David Castillo on Jan 24, 2011 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Well that's true

He’s better than his current position in the division, but he does need to prove it next time out. I do think the calls for him to drop to 145 are premature though (assuming he even could make the weight); he’s definitely competitive at 155.

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by VenusBlue on Jan 24, 2011 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

As Tyson Griffin's biggest fan ...

… he can drop down.

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by James Brady on Jan 25, 2011 12:20 AM EST up reply actions  

He also carries around a bit of bodyfat. If he could lean out some and lower his walking around weight, the cut wouldn’t be as hard for him

by disinferno06 on Jan 25, 2011 2:23 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Also interesting

that Dave Meltzer talked about the UFC letting some prelim guys take fights outside of the UFC so they can get 3 fights in a year

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by Viva Italia on Jan 24, 2011 6:18 PM EST reply actions  

You know, there's an opportunity for the UFC that they're not exploring.

There’s absolutely no reason at all that the UFC couldn’t set up deals with a few smaller promotions to serve as feeder leagues for fringe/prospect fighters, keep those guys busy in the process and ensure they don’t lose them to Strikeforce etc.

I mean, what makes the most sense for the UFC – to run Ben Saunders out of town after a few losses, or stick him in an MFC-level org for a few fights and let him work his way back while under contract?

What would you think made the most sense – cutting Todd Duffee entirely so he can have his brains beaten in over in Japan, or moving him to a feeder league somewhere close to his training camp and tell him to work on his cardio? Why end the career of Keith Jardine just after he’d been promoted as a main eventer, and risk that marketing investment moving to the competition when he could be a tweak or two away from being competitive again?

The UFC could do this in Japan, UK, both US coasts, in Canada, and whenever they venture to those areas, just ‘promote’ guys as undercard fill, giving the locals plenty of folks to cheer for while giving fighters a chance to ripen at their own speed – AND effectively choke off Strikeforce etc of talent.

It’s not like it would cost much to split the fight fee for a guy working an Indiana regional show, and when that guy does make it back to the show, you’d have a bunch of fight footage to use in promoting him.

Call me, Dana.

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by Ozzz on Jan 24, 2011 7:24 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I’ve thought of this, I actually thought why doesnt the UFC buy orgs like KOTC, ROC, and continue to run them as feeder league orgs, this way any fighter who goes into ROC or KOTC you have contractual rights to so they cant then sign with another org, and this way you have the prospects locked up, fighting in these orgs and you can take your time before bringing them up, can have guys drop down if they lose some fights to get wins in these orgs.

Only thing is why would they buy these orgs and spend the money? Then I thought what if they made a site, bought these orgs, made a site that fans can pay 10 bucks a month to get access and then stream all the events, ROC events, KOTC events, Tuff N Uff etc on the site, of course only hardcore fans would pay to see these prospects but you promote them as UFC minor league affiliates more people could come to watch the shows, and air the fights online so fans can see the fights, maybe they could make some money off it, but it would give them a way to lock prospects up early and build them up and have a place for a Jardine, instead of cutting him let him fight in one of these events, and a name like Jardine could raw fans into a ROC show in NJ, get ROC on the east, get a show on the west and one in the south, maybe one in Canada, UK, Jungle Fights in Brazil.

What your saying is you want them to just make a deal with a regional org, see I dont think that works cause these regional orgs dont have locked down tight contracts for the most part, these fighters are free to move on, so Zuffa cant come in and demand rights to a fighter, unless they owned the org and have it in the contracts the fighters sign.

Like i live in NJ, have been to a few ROC shows, I saw Edson Barboza, aka Mendes Jr fight, was a good show, saw Ryan Laflare, Pace, Gian fight as well, and now ROC has Chris Weidman, who many on this site know is one of the top 2 MW prospects in the sport, was ranked 2 on this site, so if UFC owned ROC they would have rights to him and couldnt lose him to Bellator or SF, so they would have to own the orgs cause just pitching in some money to pay the fighter they wont have exclusive rights to the fighters.

Problem is Zuffa will say its a waste of money to buy an org like that, run it etc, j ust wait for the fighter to be good enough and sign him, thats true but then when a top prospects goes to Bellator or SF and becomes a star and a top fighter you cant be mad then, they let Tyron go from TUF and become a title contender in SF.

But honestly what they will do and its smart is do international TUF, not putting guys on TUF cause they cant speak English is hurting them, I get why they cant, he would be alone in the house for weeks with nobody to talk to, subtitle him, its a mess, but your not getting the top talent on TUF, so doing a TUF brazil, shit like that, thats the way to go to get the top prospects and build them up as stars in their home country.

Thats what they will do.

by Aldo27 on Jan 24, 2011 8:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I actually thought why doesnt the UFC buy orgs like KOTC, ROC, and continue to run them as feeder league orgs, this way any fighter who goes into ROC or KOTC you have contractual rights to so they cant then sign with another org,

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by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 25, 2011 8:26 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Beat me to it.

EliteXC already tried that model. It failed miserably and destroyed some of the best ‘minor league’ organizations in MMA.

by Steve4192 on Jan 25, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Can we lose him again?

by who me on Jan 25, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

They don’t need to buy them.

They have already stated that they will start letting prelim guys fight outside so they can get enough fights to make them happy.

If they were to do anything, they would make deals with smaller orgs so that they could grab some fighters before their contracts expire and in exchange let some popular fighters who are on losing streaks headline cards for that org while still under contract to the UFC and need to get a win on their record.

by Phildo on Jan 25, 2011 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Rec'd for 'enormous toolbox'

Cherry on top for ‘doucherocket’.

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by VenusBlue on Jan 25, 2011 6:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Hilarious

I’m not sure that it is fair or true, but hilarious.

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by outlander78 on Jan 25, 2011 9:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Regardless.

Under this proposal, he could be a total doucherocket, get booted down to the minors, and still be under contract for when he realizes the value in nondouchery.

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by Ozzz on Jan 25, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Cuz dudes like Keith Jardine are done and will never be back and even if they somehow come back theyll never be a contender

Let the other orgs have the Keith Jardines of the world. I dont see SF scooping him up. Todd Duffee had an attitude he talked trash about needing a PT job on twitter he acted like he should be getting paid the big bucks. He went on the UG making fun of Arlovski’s chin and what happened to him? He became a blooper reel in the sport of MMA. He can still knock people out hell he may come back better than ever but to the UFC hes pretty tarnished. Also keep in mind some of these dudes leave and make AS much money fighting elsewhere. Duffee made like 60K for his Overeem fight and even in his loss he probably gained some little bit of respect for stepping up. To the UFC fighters are a dime a dozen and its only worth marketing the ones that are marketable.

by Papercut Elbow on Jan 25, 2011 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think you're right.

They spend a lot of money propping up guys as being fierce. Cutting them completely means that money is lost, whereas keeping them on the line for a while means they have access when it helps them.

In baseball, you might not have immediate use for that 35-yr-old backup catcher who has only ever hit .220 and has trouble going down to his left, but when your top two catching prospects both go down in the same week, you’ll sure as hell like the fact that you can call him up from Wichita and hope he pulls an unexpected 5 from 14 week.

Well worth it considering he’ll cost league minimum for the rest of the year.

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by Ozzz on Jan 25, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Cody is safe

He jumped in on relative short notice when Florian got hurt and Melvin jumped in.

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by Matthew Roth on Jan 24, 2011 6:20 PM EST reply actions  

Plus Zuffa knows a good thing when they see it

Dude is entertaining, was on TUF, and has a fun, funky style. All of that adds up to him not being cut.

by Hummus5989 on Jan 24, 2011 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Also I think he impressed a lot of people. I know it’s a loss, but a lot of people expected a much more one-sided fight. He was pretty close to pulling off a huge upset.

by H8ff0000 on Jan 24, 2011 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

His limitations were and are pretty obvious, but he’s game and entertaining, has a personality and the guillotine is a nice gimmick. He’ll need to get some wins together obviously, but I think he’ll be given the opportunities. God knows if Mac Danzig can get as much slack as he did when he was losing left and right McKenzie ought to too.

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by VenusBlue on Jan 24, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

If McKenzie got into an elite camp..

..I imagine Greg Jackson could turn that dude into a crazy featherweight force.

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by Ozzz on Jan 24, 2011 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Give him one of the English Pauls in his next fight...

Or someone of that level, and I suspect he’ll get the job done.

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by VenusBlue on Jan 25, 2011 6:52 AM EST up reply actions  

On another note:
Man was i disappointed with Chiquerim

by KOQ24 on Jan 24, 2011 6:29 PM EST reply actions  

Think Chiquerim could make 145?

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by Viva Italia on Jan 24, 2011 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he could (and may have to if he wants to stay around).

by KOQ24 on Jan 24, 2011 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

He should and probably will have to it he wants a job still.

If he did get cut Bellator and SF would def sign him, this isnt a guy on a four fight losing streak, he was the Shooto 154lbs champ and just lost a fight by decision, so SF would sign him so would Bellator.

But yeah he looked very small for LW, FW if he can make it which I think he can would be much better for him.

by Aldo27 on Jan 24, 2011 8:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Why?

Even with moderate success against Shooto’s withered but once interesting LW division, he never looked impressive. He’s just not dynamic enough to be anything other than a very low level gatekeeper.

by David Castillo on Jan 24, 2011 6:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Not saying they're the only ones but...

Bocek
Brookins
dos Anjos
Edgar
Maybe Etim
Fisher
Freire
Griffin
Maybe Guida
Kelly
Lentz
Lowe
Lullo
Makdessi
McKenzie
C. Miller
Oliveira
Maybe Pellegrino
Riley
Siver
Stephens
Stout
Tavares

That pretty much covers it I think. The only game changers on that list, in my opinion, are Edgar, Bocek, Etim, Griffin, Guida, Makdessi, Miller, Oliveira, Pellegrino, Stephens, and Stout. That also, can be argued. Hope that helped.

by T.C. Engel on Jan 24, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Mac Danzig and Joe Stevenson could probably make the cut as well. With those two and some other 155ers, dropping down could be the difference from being a lower-tier Lightweight to a mid-tier Featherweight, or a mid-tier Lightweight to an upper-tier Featherweight (i.e. Gamburyan and Brown before his recent skid). For someone like Sam Stout and many others, cutting down would be a good idea just to get them out of mid-tier purgatory in the UFC Lightweight Division.

I won't jump off the bandwagon just because you lost.

by chrisbboy82 on Jan 25, 2011 4:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I think that Stephens especially would benefit from the cut.

I don’t think anyone at featherweight has his power, even Aldo.

by T.C. Engel on Jan 25, 2011 9:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Jeremy Stephens would be interesting at Featherweight. However, he always came across as a pretty big Lightweight to me. If he could make the cut and keep his power, he could potentially make it far in the Featherweight Division.

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by chrisbboy82 on Jan 25, 2011 8:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Eventually

Current lightweights will cut down and be top featherweights, current featherweights will cut down and be top bantamweights, current bantamweights will cut down and be top flyweights, and current flyweights will have to create a new, even smaller weight class (ie. Cellweight, nanoweight etc.)

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by mburtoni on Jan 24, 2011 6:49 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

That’s probably true about lightweights dropping, and if the UFC ever gets a flyweight division, a bunch of bantamweights will probably drop too. But I don’t know if we’ll see a lot of featherweights dropping to bantam, since the plight of the small featherweight hasn’t changed at all. They could drop without risking a pay cut in the WEC days, too.

Some featherweights will probably drop, but that’s always been the case—I don’t think we’ll see more of that than usual.

by JRN on Jan 24, 2011 6:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Dana says flyweight is next

I hope he’s not lying, but he certainly sounded more upbeat about it than, say, women’s MMA.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 24, 2011 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

D Johnson, aka Mighty Mouse and Benavidez both would drop to Flyweight they said, and I think both would be top 5 in the world, imo Benavidez would be the king of that div.

by Aldo27 on Jan 24, 2011 8:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m a little surprised to hear that the UFC suddenly has some kind of roster crisis.

 The number of Zuffa fighters under contract hasn’t changed. I thought the conventional wisdom was that the UFC would adjust by running more shows—specifically, by taking the slots on Versus formerly occupied by WEC broadcasts.

Same number of fighters under Zuffa, same number of Zuffa-promoted shows, only the official promotional affiliation changes. That was the idea, or so I thought. Why hasn’t that come to pass?

by JRN on Jan 24, 2011 6:58 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Because it’s not the same number of shows. Spike has the same number, they said they are maxed on PPVs, and Versus only has 4 cards (I believe). So it is as if the WEC only put on 2 cards a year

by Phildo on Jan 24, 2011 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

That means the number of Zuffa-promoted shows on Versus has declined. But why? Why not just convert the old WEC slots into UFC on Versus shows? Seems win-win to me.

Is it some kind of conflict with Spike?

by JRN on Jan 24, 2011 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I dunno, that’s the way it is though, but since those shows weren’t all converted to UFC on VS, and the spike and PPV numbers are staying the same, shows disappeared, that’s why fighters need to.

by Phildo on Jan 24, 2011 7:36 PM EST up reply actions  

They cant.

WEC was its own org.

Right now Zuffa contract with Spike was they can do 4 shows a year on another cable network, meaning cable not reg network, which is why Ion deal didnt affect the contract, so they can only do 4 shows a year on other cable networks, so WEC was doing 8 shows on Versus, it was its own org, UFC can only do 4, so they may run an extra PPV, try to get an extra fight night in on Spike but its gonna be less shows, they can do a network deal but the right one hasnt come up.

The SPike deal ends this year, and they are talking about the new deal, I assume UFC will want more cable shows to be included, more then 4.

So thats the issue, they can only do 4 shows on cable outside of Spike, so technically they lost 4 shows but still have the same amount of fighters, and even if you push another PPV or fight night out you still have to many fighters, so thats why they will have to trim the roster.

by Aldo27 on Jan 24, 2011 8:41 PM EST up reply actions  

If they weren't giving away so many tickets...

..or watching so many people pirate their pay-per-views, or still waiting for a legit network deal, they probably wouldn’t cut a soldier.

But for now, you can only staff what you have. And they have maxed out.

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by Ozzz on Jan 24, 2011 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Last year there was nine shows on Versus (seven WEC, two UFC) against just four UFC shows on there this year. The current Spike deal limits how many shows they can do on other cable networks, which is why they had to go to ION for the 125 prelims.

I don’t think there’ll be mass bloodletting though. The addition of an extra one or two fights on each card will mostly make up for the lost events this year and I think we’ll see them try and leverage with Spike when renegotiating their deal this year to be able to run more events on other cable networks if Spike still only wants the seven or so shows they air each year.

by rabrown on Jan 24, 2011 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

The current Spike deal limits how many shows they can do on other cable networks

Ah, that clears things up for me. Thanks.

by JRN on Jan 24, 2011 7:33 PM EST up reply actions  

The Wild Wild West

The lightweight division is a shootout these days and I definitely expect to see some cuts. Mike Brown has to be on that list and I hope he finds a way to pull through. Great read Nate!

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by Duane Finley on Jan 24, 2011 7:04 PM EST reply actions  

Mike Brown isn’t a lightweight… and the too many lightweights problem will resolve itself when fighters are faced with the reality that they can’t make it in the UFC as a lightweight and will have to cut to featherweight if they want to remain in the best org in the world. I wouldn’t be surprised if at least 10 current LW makes the cut to FW within 6 months.

by Shnak on Jan 25, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

The cry-baby Varner photo makes me laugh… I’d cut him just on the condition of him crying all the time…
The 55 division is one of the more exciting out there.. SF gets all the UFC rejects and we get to see sub-par fighters square off there (again and again)..
Brown is definitely in the limbo…I’d think. Roop will be cut I’ma thinking..

I like how Melvin has caused a real stir in the LW division. . I’d like to see him face a healthy florian or jim miller next…

by somnium on Jan 24, 2011 7:30 PM EST reply actions  

The thing is that Strikeforce DOES NOT get all the UFC rejects. On their last Challengers card, Rhadi Ferguson, Amanda Nunes, OSP, Daniel Cormier, and Tyron Woodley were all featured, and they are not UFC rejects. Most of the prospects coming out of Strikeforce these days do not come from the UFC, and it is a myth that Strikeforce picks up UFC rejects regularly. The last UFC castoffs to come straight from the UFC to Strikeforce are Dan Henderson and Jorge Gurgel. Even Paul Daley had to win two fights in other MMA organizations after his UFC stint to get into Strikeforce.

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by chrisbboy82 on Jan 25, 2011 1:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Dan Henderson...

…couldn’t really be called a cast-off either given the circumstances of his departure from the UFC.

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and so gavest away thy sword:
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by VenusBlue on Jan 25, 2011 6:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Cutting Roop just for losing to the #1 contender, right after knocking out a fan favorite and (short-lived) promotional golden boy, would be 2 cold.

by JRN on Jan 24, 2011 8:04 PM EST reply actions  

Roop isnt much though lets be honest.

And frankly unless your a star, a fighter who fights and puts on great excitign fights like say Leben or Wandi then you can lose some fights and have a job, or if your a fighter who has been with the UFC has helped them, fought on short notice, filled in, like a Rich Franklin, he could lose 4 in a row and the UFC wouldnt cut him cause of all the times he helped them, came onto TUF to take over, f ight Chuck, guys like that, they are safe, anyone else, especially guys who are new or arent names or top guys you lose a fight your gone.

It sucks and I’m sure a prospect can sign, lose, get cut and then go to a nother org and in a year or two become a top fighter, the UFC just doesnt have the room to build fighters up.

Honestly they do need a feeder org.

by Aldo27 on Jan 24, 2011 9:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Roop isnt much though lets be honest.

By that token, Leonard Garcia and Chan Sung Jung aren’t much either. But is either of those guys going to get cut if Roop does? Of course not. Hence my judgment that it would be “2 cold.”

by JRN on Jan 24, 2011 10:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree, a feeder org would be very interesting for Zuffa.

I’m sure they’ve thought about it, being such an ambitious company, but I would guess that their focus for the present is elsewhere, likely on opening up markets, further legitimizing the sport, generally being ubiquitous, and making sure the world’s best fighters are under their roof. And needless to say, on continuing to employ Mike “Goldy” Goldberg thereby honoring the language put forth in whatever contract they signed with one of Satan’s practical-joking underlords. But I digress. The D-league concept is a good one, yet I would imagine they’d consider it a bit of a fool’s errrand at this point.

The UFC clearly has and will continue to lose prospects to smaller leagues, but perhaps they’re simply willing to wait the Bellators and SF’s of the world out. I mean, how long can a world-class guy like Alvarez flounder in Bellator? Is Askren really going to stay there indefinitely? In my view, Alvarez is the best LW in the world, but he’s fighting in a league of journeymen and prospects on the Snookie channel! Aside from Eddie and Askren, most of the great fighters outside of the UFC who have truly arrived have a very particular reason for being where they are and those reasons usually tend to the personal. And after all, despite what many will adamantly proclaim, there are relatively few of the world’s elite outside the UFC today. In other words, I don’t think the UFC fears losing top prospects to these shows because, for the most part, they feel they’ll get the guys they want in the end. There are a handful of very important exceptions of course, but generally its true. I’m sure, despite what DW will say, that these handful of exceptions do bother him a great deal. As long as you can count these guys on two or three hands, however, they’re good.

by Charlie Custer on Jan 24, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed,

He’s had a tough run, but remains a talented fighter. I have to think a lot of the Cerrone stuff and fan mockery hurt him in the ring, stole some confidence. He would be an interesting addition to the Bellator mix, but ultimately doesn’t have enough to beat Alvarez, imo. Call me crazy, but he could tangle with anyone at SF save for Melendez.

by Charlie Custer on Jan 24, 2011 10:39 PM EST up reply actions  

waylon lowe must train with cole konrad

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by cosmic fist technique on Jan 24, 2011 10:51 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Another Great Article

Thanks for putting it together.

I hate seeing people lose their jobs, especially these guys – fighters who we know, who put on a show, and who are not even well-paid for their trouble.

I know next to nothing about the sub-lightweight weight classes, and these days I don’t even recognize the new names in the LW division either. As the UFC cuts the guys I am interested in following, I wonder how they will overcome the challenge of building stars, especially in the lower weight classes.

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by outlander78 on Jan 25, 2011 9:15 AM EST reply actions  

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