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Uncovering the Truth Behind Russia's Lack of Dominance in MMA

Why aren't Olympic-caliber wrestlers like Buvaisar Saitiev making the transition to mixed martial arts? Photo by Getty Images.

Buvaisar Saitiev is one of the best freestyle wrestlers to have ever graced the mat at the world level, yet most mixed martial arts fans have never heard of him or his dominance. He won three Olympic gold medals in the 74kg category in 1996, 2004, and 2008, and he amassed six gold medals at the World Championships between 1995 and 2005. Many of his opponents talked about his impeccable timing, inpenetrable balance, and phenomenal technique on the mat, and he was the epitome of technique triumphing over strength. The joy in watching Saitiev dismantle world-class wrestler after world-class wrestler makes you wonder where these type of wrestlers are in the sport of mixed martial arts. And furthermore, why isn't Russia producing more top-notch wrestling talents that see mixed martial arts as a means to earning a rich living?

After all, the Russian wrestling team has dominated the international wrestling scene for decades. Even today, they are still considered the very best in the world with former Soviet republics grabbing more and more medals, but still falling short of the unreachable gold medal. Shirvani Muradov, Buvaisar Saitiev, and Mavlet Batirov claimed three gold medals in freestyle competition at the 2008 Beijing Olympic Games, and Russia claimed four more gold medals in Greco-Roman competition.

While most readers would look at the medal tables and see Uzbekistan, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan and other former Soviet republics laying claim to medal spots, it's apparent that the Eastern Bloc and former Soviet region is a breeding ground for elite level wrestlers. The question to be asked is why there aren't more wrestlers from the region finding success in mixed martial arts?

A lot of speculation points to Russia's economic situation, the overrated popularity of mixed martial arts in Russia, and the difficulty for athletes to freely venture to countries like the United States to take full advantage of their talents. If you've been an avid fan of the NHL for years like myself, you might understand some of the difficulties that world class athletes have in making the transition stateside.

Players like the "Russian Rocket" Pavel Bure, Alexei Zhitnik, and Alexander Mogilny were targets of extortion from Russian crime syndicates due to their sudden fame and infusion of money into their bank accounts. Vyacheslav Fetisov and Valeri Kamensky were targeted by the feds for involvement with Russian organized crime bosses. Oleg Tverdovsky had his family abducted and put up for ransom. To say that there isn't a fear factor in leaving the Motherland is an understatement, and those now-former players have suggested that who you know in Russia is a lesson to be learned at an early age.

But is mob intimidation a legitimate reason to why these talented wrestlers from the region have been stifled from pursuing a successful mixed martial arts career? Doubtful. Considering the salaries we see at the low levels of the UFC, they don't compare to the multi-million dollar contracts of NHL superstars like Alexei Ovechkin.

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The most relevant argument is that of pride. Saitiev isn't too keen on the spotlight. According to The Silent Gladiators by Nicholas A. Hopping, Saitiev would repeat a poem by Nobel Prize-winning poet Boris Pasternak before every match:

I don't think being famous is very attractive. That is not what lifts you up. You don't have to build an archive. You don't have to panic over your number of volumes. The object of a masterpiece is giving yourself away.

Seems a bit more understandable as to why Saitiev isn't seeking the limelight of a mixed martial arts' career, but most avid fans would point out that his time has passed if he ever wanted to compete in mixed martial arts. Being a famous athlete from the country may not be his wish, but other athletes surely want the riches that come with being an upper-echelon talent, right?

It's difficult to view a Russian wrestling superstar as a likeable or unlikeable character atop a UFC weight class with the language barrier and stereotypical stoicism of many Russian-born competitors. That might hurt some of the growth potential of these athletes in larger organizations, but it wouldn't stop them from ascending the mountain completely.

No, the real reason is that Russian wrestlers of Saitiev's caliber are considered true heroes of the republic. They are considered the means to continued success on the international stage, and they'll hopefully pass on their knowledge to the next generation of Russian wrestling talents in the coming years. It's a way to secure Russia's stranglehold on the freestyle and Greco-Roman wrestling world.

Furthermore, money isn't exactly a problem for these kings of the mat. Saitiev is, similarly to Fedor Emelianenko, a friend to Vladimir Putin, and he's also linked to mining magnate Iskander Makmudov. For Saitiev though, his personal philosophy on life doesn't fit with the desire to seek out fame. For others, it might be different.

Evidence doesn't suggest that's the case however. We have yet to see these world class wrestlers make the transition to mixed martial arts in the region in large numbers. Bulgaria might be the exception as there is a movement among some of their better wrestlers to make the move to the sport, but their lack of training in the other arts such as Brazilian jiu-jitsu has hindered their progress currently.

Perhaps this is only a lengthened infancy for the sport in the Eastern Bloc region of the world, or perhaps the pull from higher powers to teach and continue the legacy of wrestling is far too strong. We don't know for sure, but what we do know is that mixed martial arts isn't a consuming fad in the region. It isn't something that's thought about as an option like it is here in the United States. Until that option presents itself as an enticing way to make a comfortable living, Russia and the former Soviet countries will continue churning out high-level wrestlers who only walk down a narrowed path of Olympic glory.

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Nice write up

I hadn’t even really noticed this

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by II SMASH II on Jan 24, 2011 3:18 PM EST reply actions  

Are the Chechens a wealthy minority? I don’t really know too much about that situation, other (obviously) than the separatist movement.

by Hummus5989 on Jan 24, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

He’s saying that the guy gets support from wealthy fellow Chechens, not that all Chechens are wealthy.

by Horselover Fat on Jan 24, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

How was I way off?

Furthermore, money isn’t exactly a problem for these kings of the mat. Saitiev is, similarly to Fedor Emelianenko, a friend to Vladimir Putin, and he’s also linked to mining magnate Iskander Makmudov. For Saitiev though, his personal philosophy on life doesn’t fit with the desire to seek out fame. For others, it might be different.

Money was one of my main points.

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by Leland Roling on Jan 24, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Perhaps people should be literate. Oh wait, that’s far-reaching.

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by Leland Roling on Jan 24, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I appreciate any and all comments, within good taste of course. The overall point of this post is to bring some light to this issue, specifically because I’ve been scouring Eastern European event results searching for wrestlers to fill my Heavyweight scouting report… to no avail. Bulgaria seems to have a few guys.

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by Leland Roling on Jan 24, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

it seems a question of emphasis, what I got from Leland’s piece was an array of issues, one of which was certainly that they don’t lack for money. To pretend that these other points (national pride etc) are non-issues doesn’t reflect why they are attractive to the moneyed people in the first place.
For this reason, I think Leland’s piece is well balanced and wouldn’t agree with Valetudo.ru’s assertion, although his point maybe the most singularly compelling.

Your attitude to taking it on the chin from a good source is commendable, do you take your medicine nicely too?;-) (had to ask)

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by rohedron on Jan 24, 2011 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I was glad to have the comments to clear up a piece that was kind of unclear.

do you take your medicine nicely too?;-)

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by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 24, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Wow.

Bit uncalled for.

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by Sebastiaan Tauran on Jan 24, 2011 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I can’t help it. A lot of people respond only to the headline on many of the pieces on this website. We get a lot of comments that simply say “No.” when asking a question.

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by Leland Roling on Jan 24, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

But you must admit the guy was not rude, and I agree with him, I’d just read your whole article and when I read his comment it gave a different view of the subject.

Now you’ll probably call me illiterate, but ok.

by mmablitzkrieg on Jan 24, 2011 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

No, he wasn’t rude, nor was I really jabbing at him. It was just a general comment in regards to most readers, although it did reply within the same thread as him, thus gaining this response. My apologies if that was conveyed as a jab. It most certainly wasn’t intended to be as such toward him.

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by Leland Roling on Jan 24, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Some people don't like criticism

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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 24, 2011 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Perhaps people should be literate.

I’m pretty sure his English is a lot more literate than your Russian.

by Steve4192 on Jan 25, 2011 1:27 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

And that had to do with this article how?

You’re skirting a fine line with this comment. Keep to the topic, and read the threaded comments below that for an actual account of the conversation.

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by Leland Roling on Jan 25, 2011 9:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Really?

Really?

Calm down, Leland. You’re taking this waaaaaaaay too personally. At least, that’s how you’re coming off.

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by inadvertentgroinstrike on Jan 25, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

COUNTER PUNCH greened

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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 24, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

So, in other words, Russian wrestlers don’t make the switch to MMA because they’re revered and financially cared for in their home countries as wrestlers, making a jump to a sport that requires (a) new skills (b) as much if not more international travel and © getting punched in the head unnecessary.

by JRN on Jan 24, 2011 3:22 PM EST reply actions  

It seems that way, from the interviews I’ve read. Furthermore, Saiteiv even turned down offers in politics, sort of hinting that these major sports figures could have the opportunity to do that in the aftermath of their careers.

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by Leland Roling on Jan 24, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Karelin went into politics...

…I suspect the popularity of such athletic stars makes them very appealing to political parties.

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by VenusBlue on Jan 24, 2011 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I read a quote. I believe it’s actually linked on Saitiev’s Wiki site as well… that he said politics was “shit”.

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by Leland Roling on Jan 24, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I saw that

And as a Chechen, I assume Saitiev’s political opinions would be rather different than a Russian like Karelin anyway. Still, no doubt he’s got popularity that could be leveraged towards politics (or several other fields) if he were so inclined.

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by VenusBlue on Jan 24, 2011 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Since you are in a much better position than any of us to answer this: what is the state of mma in Russia? is it gaining in popularity? Is M-1 even making a dent? Has anyone even heard of the UFC?

by John Nash on Jan 24, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

And it’s not just wrestling, although that’s the most obvious example. Kickboxing (4 of 16 K-1’s Max finalist), boxing (7 of the major belts held by Former Soviet block members, and that doesn’t include German boxers who emigrated from those states), Judo (2nd only to Japan), and Sambo (mma with headgear). If any area of the world could instantly make a major splash it would be Russia and it’s neighbors. Of course, no infrastructure, public interest, or money could be a detriment.

by John Nash on Jan 24, 2011 3:26 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

good stuff

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by rohedron on Jan 24, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

good post Leland

this is a continuing source of frustration for me. would love to see more of that Russian talent in the MMA pool.

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by Nate Wilcox on Jan 24, 2011 3:28 PM EST reply actions  

“To say that there isn’t? a fear factor in leaving the Motherland is an understatement, and those now-former players have suggested that who you know in Russia is a lesson to be learned at an early age.”

by Diz D on Jan 24, 2011 3:30 PM EST reply actions  

Bah! For some reason, I thought they were under Soviet control at some point in time. My Eastern European history professor from college would kill me.

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by Leland Roling on Jan 24, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

They were under a measure of Soviet control but were part of the Warsaw Pact and not the Soviet Union.

by John Nash on Jan 24, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, yes. I now recall this, although it took a Google search to make me recollect it.

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by Leland Roling on Jan 24, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Not to be too blunt...

But it’s all money. Top-flight wrestlers all over the world have the backing of their government and titans of business. Elite American wrestlers are switching to MMA because they don’t have the same financial opportunities.

For comparison’s sake, consider Sushil Kumar of India—a country with a small presence on the international wrestling scene. Over the past two years he has made the Indian equivalent of a few hundred thousand American dollars, a king’s ransom in India. Kumar, who comes from a poor family, would never, ever risk that kind of financial security for MMA. I defy anyone to find me an American wrestler making that kind of money just by competing.

The issue of national pride is tied into the fact that the government will take care of their elite athletes. Iran may be a horrible country for human rights activists, but bring home a medal in freestyle and you will live out the rest of your life in comfort, no questions asked. Same goes for the guys who say they love wrestling, part of the reason is the financial opportunities offered by the sport.

It’s really not a complex issue at all.

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by Tomas Rios on Jan 24, 2011 3:42 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

From some of the books I’ve read on sporting culture in Eastern Europe, a lot of it is money, but there are specific individuals at the highest levels who also feel compelled to be the torch carriers for the next generation. Obviously, this plays into your second point. Taking care of their elite athletes.

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by Leland Roling on Jan 24, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

The guys at the highest level are the guys getting the most money out of the system. They become national heroes and the government wants them to play the role of noble sportsman, a desire they happily oblige since they’re getting paid beyond their wildest dreams.

I’m not assailing your knowledge of the issue, but you’re coming up with reasons that are reflective of how things are presented rather than how they actually are. Many wrestlers have a great deal of national pride and want to build a legacy, but plenty of American wrestlers feel the same way until they realize wrestling is a financial dead-end.

Why do you think the very best American wrestlers almost never complete a second Olympic cycle? If Cael Sanderson was Russian, he’d still be wrestling. Instead, he’s coaching because it’s the only way to make a living off the sport.

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by Tomas Rios on Jan 24, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

a wrestling coach friend of mine says they are talking about paying the Olympic wrestling team now because of mma.

Have you heard this?

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by the-gentle-way on Jan 24, 2011 3:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I think Joe Warren said something about this on Inside MMA once also. Cant remember the exact details though.

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by Tokyo Sandblaster on Jan 24, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I remember reading that USA wrestling is now paying $250K for Gold, $150K for Silver, and $100K for Bronze medals at the Olympics. I think it is also a little less for similar results at the World Championships. That still isn’t much compared to what the Russian guys are making these days, or what a top flight MMA fighter is making.

by dpk875 on Jan 24, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

The guys at the highest level are the guys getting the most money out of the system. They become national heroes and the government wants them to play the role of noble sportsman, a desire they happily oblige since they’re getting paid beyond their wildest dreams.

This seems to be on par. I don’t have any doubts as to why those guys are doing the noble thing in helping breed the next generation of wrestlers. Obviously, being well off helps them choose that path.

As you mentioned, the Cael Sanderson analogy makes sense.

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by Leland Roling on Jan 24, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

yea i have heard kurt angle talk about this on the BRN

Those guys are gods in their respective countries and they treat American wrestlers very well too while competing .
Here… our wrestlers are the guys in the unitard or doink the clown.

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by the-gentle-way on Jan 24, 2011 3:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Not only that
For comparison’s sake, consider Sushil Kumar of India—a country with a small presence on the international wrestling scene. Over the past two years he has made the Indian equivalent of a few hundred thousand American dollars, a king’s ransom in India. Kumar, who comes from a poor family, would never, ever risk that kind of financial security for MMA. I defy anyone to find me an American wrestler making that kind of money just by competing.

But this also brings to mind the fact that the local, regional, and even national government of India essentially holds several job slots open in their various administrative units just to give to promising wrestlers so they do not have to worry about living expenses. As such, wrestling is a way into a stable middle class job for a lot of young men, a career that they can continue to take advantage of even after their wrestling peak. This in turn sometimes means that an early affinity for wrestling can lead even into a successful career in politics. Seriously, there is no comparison to the reverence held in the wrestling cultures (South and Central Asia especially) to those here in the US.

by Enmascarado on Jan 24, 2011 8:31 PM EST up reply actions  

good write up, only thing is it’s Alexander Ovechkin, not Alexei. When you live in DC, you can never go without hearing it 10 times/day

by webe163 on Jan 24, 2011 3:44 PM EST reply actions  

I have to wonder why Fedor trained MMA.

His sambo is excellent, did he even have to make the transition to compete for his country?

by Cunny on Jan 24, 2011 3:57 PM EST reply actions  

He wasn’t awarded the Master of Sport in Judo, which basically meant he was either going to have to get a job or find something else to do. He found something else to do.

by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 24, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

There were 10 levels of this honor. Whichever he didn’t qualify for prevented him from getting the stipend he needed to support himself. It could be a translation issue, but we talked about this at length when I interviewed him. Judo was certainly his great love though.

by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 24, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

If he pushed for the Olympics when I think he did

He’d have been against Tmenov for a spot on the team. I’m sure Fedor was good, but Tmenov was one of the best in the world. Belt/rank or politics or whatever, I doubt he could ever have beaten the man in his prime.

His Sambo was good, but combat Sambo and traditional are different things. My understanding is that combat Sambo is a smaller sport, and that’s what he focused on. If he had a few world championships in regular Sambo, he may have made enough cash to ignore MMA. Of course, pure Sambo would have been a much weaker base for him to spring off of.

by Hedonismbot on Jan 24, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

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by Ben Thapa on Jan 24, 2011 7:37 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Thanks for bringing this up. Tmenov won the European Judo Championships at +100 kg six times, medaled at both the 2000 and 2004 Olympics and picked up four medals at the World Championships.

The best finish Emelianenko had as a judoka was a bronze at the ‘98 and ’99 Russian championships. Politics are an unfortunate part of sports, but Emelianenko was not in Tmenov’s league.

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by Tomas Rios on Jan 24, 2011 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Politics is an unfortunate part of most things in life.

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by Leland Roling on Jan 24, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Both Kickboxing and MMA are growing in Eastern Europe. There were both late to the party over there so it is going to take time for them to grow. As they grow prestige and competition for fighters will follow. With those money will follow. Nothing succeeds like success.

by fitefan on Jan 24, 2011 4:01 PM EST reply actions  

Intresting write up and comments

I’d be interested to see how popular international grappling compilations like ADCC are with the eastern block countries. While not MMA it is a real world wide mixed grappling competition and is often used as credentials to make the leap into MMA.

by squaresphere on Jan 24, 2011 4:02 PM EST reply actions  

Whatever the reason

it really bothers me that we don’t get amazing Russian athletes in MMA. There is absolutely no doubt they would provide some amazing champions to the sport if somehow that region could be tapped.

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by Chris Barton on Jan 24, 2011 5:12 PM EST reply actions  

There was a theory going around....

Back in the Vadim/UFC negotiation days that said Vadim keeps Fedor safe from the russian mob and that’s why Fedor stays with M-1.

Anybody have any idea if there’s truth to this?

by xfreekx on Jan 24, 2011 5:16 PM EST reply actions  

Quick question for you, which you might now. I’ve been going back over the UFC/M-1 negotiations of 2009 and one of the things that seem to be suggested is that M-1 couldn’t allow Fedor to not sign as a co-promotion deal because of their investors i.e. that the investors had put money into m-1 because they were sold the idea that Fedor would give them opportunities to market the company and so if they couldn’t co-promote him the investors might have pulled.

by John Nash on Jan 24, 2011 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Honestly that’s bunch of phony-boloney. There are really only 2 owners of M-1 (besides some small percentage that Fedor owns, that nobody knows what that is), the main owner is Sergey Matvienko, he is one of the richest man in St. Petersburg and a billionaire, and another one is Vadim.

M-1 has a contract with Fedor (back then it was for 3 fights), so they said – “If you want Fedor, you need to sign a contract with us (M-1) and us only, you can’t go directly to Fedor, as he is already signed with us and can’t fight for anyone else.”

is this true? Yes, but at the same time, M-1 really is owned by only 2 people, so whatever Sergey/Vadim decide, is the law. There is no doubt in my mind, that they could let Fedor sign directly with UFC, but then there would be no co-promotion.

by valetudo.ru on Jan 24, 2011 6:09 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

OK, a bunch more questions.

Is co-promotion so important to them that they would have Fedor turn down a more lucrative offer? Couldn’t they have asked for a buyout? Is there that much to make overseas from Fedor? Is m-1 that dependent of Fedor to keep promoting?

by John Nash on Jan 24, 2011 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I wish I knew what’s in Vadim’s head ;)

M-1 is very dependent of Fedor’s success. Practically, right now, the whole existence of M-1 is dependent on the fact that its Sergey Matvienko’s big hobby and he is willing to drop money on it (like Roman Abramovich does with Chelsea or another Russian Oligarch – Mikhail Prokhorov does on New Jersey Nets) . Sergey got involved with M-1 and MMA because of Fedor. Once Fedor is done, he may just as well lose his interest, who knows. That;s why Vadim wants to legalize this sport in Russia and is hoping to get a piece of government’s budget to keep this going.

When I asked people who are very close to Vadim – “Why co-promotion?” They can’t even answer that. Probably because its more than just money for 1 or 2 fights, its the matter of surviving for M-1 as a promotion once Fedor is done.

Its a vague answer, but the truth is, we can only speculate. My assumptions are only slightly better than someone’s else only because I have some inside knowledge, but even I can’t say for sure.

by valetudo.ru on Jan 24, 2011 7:39 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

This dude is droppin knowledge nuggets like diarrhea up in here

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by Anthony Pace on Jan 24, 2011 7:25 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Excellent piece.

Whether there was or wasn’t enough emphasis on a certain point isnt important to me. What this highlights is the topic in general, which I admit, I handn’t given too much thought to until now.

by pud333 on Jan 24, 2011 5:28 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

In the End it comes down to money. coupled with a still low MMA infrastructure in mainland Europe&Russia

by KOQ24 on Jan 24, 2011 6:24 PM EST up reply actions  

After spending about three days digging through wrestling history, I came to the conclusion that Saitiev is my pick as the greatest wrestler of all time.

There are people that approach his dominance, but the sustained excellence and the unending competition at that weight (where Karelin and the other big guys suffer a bit) drives his career thus far to the top of my list.

As the top guys in the wrestling world are usually taken care of, how about setting sights on the lesser luminaries? The same is working with American wrestlers here to great success. The MMA world would probably do well to target the guys who finish in the top 30 or 40s at the Eastern Bloc nationals at a young age. Those guys would come over faster with the paydays offered than the flat out young prodigies/superstars.

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by Ben Thapa on Jan 24, 2011 7:42 PM EST reply actions  

Since were on the topic..

What are the opinions on who the top ten countries in freestyle and Greco competition are?

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by CaDreamer on Jan 24, 2011 9:17 PM EST reply actions  

Great article!! Very interesting read.

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