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The UFC's Long Love Affair With Vitor Belfort: A History

Dave Mandel for Sherdog.com

The affair between the UFC and Vitor Belfort has been long and lovely. Like all relationships it has had amazing highs and the lowest lows. They have tried spending time apart, like when Vitor plied his trade overseas for Pride or stateside for Strikeforce. But they were destined to be back together again. That's how true love works. It started out like a true storybook romance or perhaps a cut rate porno.

Belfort was like a Semaphore Entertainment Group wet dream. The UFC loved his chiseled physique, loved his knockout power, loved his good looks. With Royce Gracie gone and Ken Shamrock bordering on the insane, Belfort looked an awful lot like the future. In a sport that had only seen one dimensional stars, in walked a man who was both a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu blackbelt and a knockout artist with the fastest hands anyone had ever seen. He was expected to reign for some time. Sure he hadn't actually won championship gold, but it was just kind of assumed that he would. Randy Couture, an older, balding wrestler, was supposed to be a stepping stone to UFC champion Maurice Smith. Instead, Couture derailed the Belfort express.

Things were tense for a time. After the loss to Couture, Belfort couldn't quite hold it together. His fight with Joe Charles at the first UFC Japan was a disaster. The two men refused to actually fight, instead engaging in a less than competitive grappling contest that Belfort won via armbar. It was a low moment, not just for the Brazilian star, but for the enitre promotion.

They say, however, that you're only as good as your last fight. Of course, all was forgiven when Belfort returned at UFC Brazil to punch Wanderlei Silva approximately 97 times in a 45 second fight. It was his last appearance in the Octagon for years. Money is the short answer to the question "why." PRIDE had it, the UFC didn't. Belfort was just one of many departing fighters, shifting the balance of power in the MMA business overseas for years.

Belfort's PRIDE tenure is best forgotten - I'll forgive you if you didn't realize he had ever fought in the legendary Japanese organization. Sure he won four of five bouts, but all but one went to a boring decision. It was in Japan that the "Old Vitor" was born. That was the Vitor who could walk through walls, could knock out Mike Tyson, and would not only tap Rickson, but would call his shot before he did it. He was fictional, a mere product of fans' imaginations. They were so underwhelmed by a former favorite that they created this mythical creature to fill the void.

It was this old Vitor that Dana White and Zuffa had fallen in love with too. When the promotion finally got clearance to return to nationwide pay per view, Dana and the gang knew just who they wanted front and center:

UFC 33 was the promotion's coming out party. The man chosen to headline this show was Vitor Belfort. A favorite of UFC President Dana White, Belfort was (and is) an explosive striker. His battle with Tito Ortiz for the light heavyweight title was crowning not only a champion, but a face for the entire company. Instead, Belfort cut his arm to shreds while training, apparently missing a punching bag and putting his arm through a window at his gym. "We are devastated by this news," Dana White said at the time. "However, I want to assure the fans that we are doing the best we can to replace Vitor with a credible opponent."

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That credible opponent? Vladimir Matyushenko. It was a disaster of a show and the UFC suffered a serious setback. In all honesty, that's the story of Vitor's career: tremendous buildup followed by a whimper. But Zuffa wasn't done with Vitor yet. After a decision loss to Chuck Liddell, Belfort inexplicably earned a title fight against Couture by beating Marvin Eastman at  UFC 43.  Eastman had won just two of his last four prior to his bout with Belfort. That didn't matter so much to Zuffa. They wanted Belfort in with Couture, whether he deserved a title shot or not.

 

Karma is a son of a bitch though, and the UFC paid a heavy price. Belfort didn't so much win the light heavyweight title, as slice it free. Literally.  The edge of his glove caught Couture on the eyelid, ripping it to shreds and leaving the champion unable to see. By rights it should have been a no contest, but UFC judging wasn't super sophisticated yet (cue sniggers at the word "yet").

Belfort was the proud champion of the sport's top weight class, but it was a title he was just keeping warm for Couture. It was a tough time for Belfort. His sister Priscilla had been kidnapped earlier in the year. He fought Couture with his real life trauma in the back of his head (his sister was later found dead, a victim of drug dealers in Rio de Janeiro). A loss to Couture in a return bout, a fight the wrestler dominated from start to finish, started a downward spiral. After winning the title in 2004, he was just 2-5 in his next seven fights. It seemed like his career as a serious fighter was over, that he was perhaps MMA's first victim of "too much, too soon." Not only was he losing, he was using, testing positive for steroids after a PRIDE 32 loss to Dan Henderson.

But something funny happened after we all wrote him off: the "Old Vitor" reappeared. First witnessed in mere glimpses, against lesser opponents like Terry Martin and Ivan Serati, there were full fledged sightings at UFC 103 in Dallas. It was there Belfort knocked out the UFC's ultimate company man Rich Franklin in the very first round. The win earned Belfort a title shot against Anderson Silva next month in Las Vegas. Sure he hadn't really earned it. It was his first UFC fight in more than four years and not even at middleweight. But this is Vitor Belfort we're talking about. No one was particularly surprised.

What is surprising is a number of fans jumping on the Belfort bandwagon once again, speculating he has the handspeed and power to knock Silva into next week. Again, this is Vitor Belfort. If past is prelude, he's more likely to withdraw from the fight citing injury than he is to do a champion like Silva harm. Right now Belfort is in his honeymoon period with MMA's new fans. They haven't learned not to trust him. Me? I know better.

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I agree him getting the title shot despite never fighting at MW . . . Despite the steroid debacle.

Wow. Ok. That’s two reasons why his title shot is very questionable. Fortunately the guys waiting in the wings Okami, Marquardt, etc. are patient and not kicking up a storm via the media.

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by VeeisAnimated on Jan 24, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Sonnen set back both MQ and Okami. Can’t be too demanding after a loss.

by bigweeze on Jan 24, 2011 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Note:

Nate and Okami have stronger arguments for a title shot DESPITE being defeated by Chael Sonnen who was defeated by Demian Maia not so long ago.

Did you see what I did there?

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by VeeisAnimated on Jan 24, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

everything moves in circles

by Str8_right on Jan 24, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Pffffffft

Marqaurdt’s been popped for steroids too.

by ihateemo on Jan 24, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

That's my problem with the whole thing

is that, by all accounts, Okami is so much more deserving.

Vitor hasn’t fought for well over a year. While impressive, the fight wasn’t even at 185. Meanwhile, Yushin is in the trenches against the elite of the division, trouncing prospects and eliminating contenders. 5-1 in the last 2 years, with nary a patsy in the bunch.

To be fair, Vitor is 3-0 in the same period of the last 2 years, and all three victories were via sexy KO’s. But the fact of the matter is, Vitor isn’t even leaps and boundds more marketable than Okami. Sure, he has serviceable English and knocks kids out, but so are Shogun & Anderson and they’re no blockbuster draws.

If GSP/ Silva wasn’t going to happen, then it should’ve been Okami. Vitor simply hasn’t put in the work, and “redemption” story or not, he falls short in big fights. Whereas Yushin has at least had mixed results (including a “win” over Anderson, which would’ve vaulted any other fighter in the world to an immediate shot at the champ).

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by ElliotMatheny on Jan 24, 2011 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

People are still under the impression

…that there’s some “fair” transparent mathematical formula for deciding who gets a title shot. In reality, the main factor used to decide is, “whoever makes the match up Dana likes so the UFC will make more money”. If the NFL were the UFC, Seattle never would have made the playoffs this year.

by Keith Moon on Jan 24, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not going to ignore the business side of MMA

but the UFC is clearly displaying unfair favoritism here. It’s happened to Okami before, being passed up in favor of a more “exciting” matchup. He got passed over for Leites back at UFC 97, for no real reason other than Anderson had a lackluster showing against Cote and was given a “squash match” (which turned out to be a horrendous fight, out of some kind of poetic justice)

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by ElliotMatheny on Jan 24, 2011 6:46 PM EST up reply actions  

the guys waiting in the wings don't deserve the shot

and that’s why they aren’t complaining. Not because they are patient. Oh and Vitor has fought at 185 before. Ask Matt Lindland what a 185 Vitor can do.

by mcpeepants23200 on Jan 24, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh yeah

Yushin Okami, who is 5-1 against all top competition in the last 2 years (the only loss being to a juicer who beat the snot out of the champion), doesn’t deserve a title shot. Despite being promised a title shot before, and despite holding a win over the champ.

But Vitor, who KO’d a C- level journeyman in Terry Martin, and a 39 year old Matt Lindland who is 2-3 in his last 5 fight, is more deserving.

Oh, hold on! He also KO’d Rich Franklin 16 months ago!

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by ElliotMatheny on Jan 24, 2011 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Okami really does deserve the TItle shot. He just beat Nate Marquardt, and Okami looks to actually be trying to have a more fan-friendly style especially with his improved standup. I think that Okami is more deserving for sure, but I find the Silva vs Belfort matchup to be more intriguing.

I won't jump off the bandwagon just because you lost.

by chrisbboy82 on Jan 24, 2011 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Really?

I think there’s potential for a real technical striking battle, but I could also see it turning into a prolonged staring contest, given both men’s propensity for patient counterstriking.

Okami will push Anderson in a way similar to how Chael did.

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by ElliotMatheny on Jan 24, 2011 11:47 PM EST up reply actions  

In my opinion, Okami doesn’t have the same takedowns as Chael does. Even in the Marquardt fight, Okami was shooting for takedowns on his knees at times. I can see similarities especially since Okami and Sonnen train together, but their approach to MMA fights has always came across as different to me being that Chael comes off as much more aggressive about his takedowns and wrestling game than Okami.

I won't jump off the bandwagon just because you lost.

by chrisbboy82 on Jan 25, 2011 12:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I am inclined to agree

Okami just doesn’t have the speed of shot that Sonnen does, and I think he’s going to spend alot of time in the clinch, which may not go well for him against Anderson.

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by VenusBlue on Jan 25, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

yes he did steroids and at that time im sure alot others did too, he probably elt his opponents were juicing so why not him, its business and he needed to win, us fans really shouldnt come down hard on steroid users from the dark ages of mma

by zuffazombie on Jan 24, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

How about Alex Rodriguez, Anthony Pettite, Roger Clemens, Mark McGwire etc.

Honestly I can care less but this topic angers many fans about the fairness question.

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by VeeisAnimated on Jan 24, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you’re confusing Andy Pettitte with Anthony Pettis

by MemphisMike on Jan 24, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, my bad.

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by VeeisAnimated on Jan 24, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

during the dark ages of mma, fighters were makin close to nothing and the fighters that lost, made beer money. Things were alot different and steroid use was rampant, let’s not be ignorant about that. I bet it would crush some of us if all the steroid abusers came clean. Lot’s of my favorite fighters were born in Pride so I know it would crush me to learn the truth. I mean for cryin out loud, royce got caught!! that makes me think so many others could have been juicin. anyways i think fighters back then juiced because they felt it was necesarry to stay competitive, im sure they didnt feel it was cheating if so many were doing it. it truly was vale tudo back then. now that things are regulated, being caught juicing is alot different in my eyes today vs 5-10 years ago

oh and using the mlb to compare is the same thing as comparing an apple to a…

space shuttle ;)

by zuffazombie on Jan 24, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Ehhh I wouldn't be crushed.

People use different things to stay focused and competitive. Hey there’s drug abuse with musicians who want to stay focused while performing. It’s not like drugs are new to sports or combat sports for that matter. I don’t think the difference between dark ages or modern MMA really matters. Why? Fighters are still using it.

Now I know comparing musician performing in an opera is like ants to elephants but I’m just saying.

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by VeeisAnimated on Jan 24, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm conflicted on this.

I find it hard to hold steroid use against PRIDE fighters while they were in PRIDE because it wasn’t cheating. It was allowed, and it was not done to gain a competitive advantage any more than GSP drinking whey protein is an advantage over vegan Jake Shields. Just using what was allowed. It was probably a poor health decision for many of these guys, but nothing inherently wrong as long as they knocked that shit off stateside.

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by pdl on Jan 24, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess the question is how many of them cut it out cold turkey coming stateside. If you are used to a certain training practice are you really gonna cut it off if theres a decent chance you won’t get caught? Baseball has made me numb to this entire steroid debate personally. I’m in the camp that people are gonna do whatever it takes to get an edge, and since there’s no way to definitively say who is and is not juicing you can’t really say anyone is more tainted than anyone else.

by MemphisMike on Jan 24, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd like stricter testing, but much prefer the current flawed system over nothing.

At least when athletes know there will be a test certain dates, it prevents significant amounts of abuse by forcing an off cycle. Use may still be rampant but abuse is deterred, which is a good start and helps stop guys from totally destroying their bodies for an advantage. I’m thankful for that, even though it is still a horribly flawed and easily gamed system. There will always be PEDs in all sports, anybody who says they can be eradicated is delusional, so I strongly favor efforts to marginalize and minimize use while trying to eradicate abuse.

The stories I know of were mostly injury recovery, not getting super jacked to gain an advantage. Once it was considered cheating and the cost of getting busted outweighed the benefits of being in the ring again a bit sooner, they switched to standard physical therapy and gritting through it. Obviously this is far from the whole picture, but that’s a taste of it.

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by pdl on Jan 24, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I agree with that

I didn’t mean for my post to come off as “pro-steroids”. I agree that to think we can get rid of steroids completely is, in your words, delusional. The problem MMA faces which is different than a sport like baseball is there is so much time between fights that a fighter is not tested. If they could somehow implement a year round system I suppose that would be better, but I question whether or not it’s a realistic option. I think the best way to look at the situation is acknowledge the presence of steroids and potential effects it has had, but not use a failed test as a barometer for whether or not someone was a cheater. After all, whose to say the people who haven’t been caught just aren’t better cheaters than those who have.

by MemphisMike on Jan 24, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Ouch...

Sad but true. I’m just hoping that history doesn’t repeat its self here.

by DisposableHeroX on Jan 24, 2011 2:18 PM EST reply actions  

Its been a year and 4 months since his last UFC fight, he has pulled out of this fight once already due to injury, I dont think he will do it again, but I dont see him winning this fight.

I told you not to f*ck with me.

by Romoesbueno on Jan 24, 2011 2:22 PM EST reply actions  

If Vitor doesn't beat Silva, Okami will.

I think Silva has lost a step. Silva from the Griffin fight is like night and day from the Silva in the Maia and Sonnen fights. Yeah, I know he was injured during the Sonnen fights, but I think even the biggest Silva fan has to see that there’s something wrong with his timing. I think going up and down between LHW and MW has effected him, and with his age, I don’t think he’ll be able to hang onto the belt for much longer.

As far as Vitor is concerned, if Okami is smart, he would have started training to be a replacement for Vitor as soon as he beat Nate. You know. Just in case…

by pud333 on Jan 24, 2011 2:23 PM EST reply actions  

Just about to post on this

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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 24, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

rounds 1 and 2 of the Maia fight

looked a lot like the Griffin fight, in the sense that AS clowned him and hit him with whatever he wanted.

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by TheFilt on Jan 24, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think moving up to LHW would have affected him since he just didn’t cut. He looked pretty flabby at 205, it’s not like he had to put on and lose a lot of muscle

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by StevenGiles on Jan 25, 2011 7:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I just this minute watched him v Overeem in the opening round of the 05 Pride GP.

by Cpt Mason on Jan 24, 2011 2:24 PM EST reply actions  

Good Article.
Vitor is going to disappoint his fan in this fight.
He may be a little aggressive very early on but once he gets a taste of Andys speed and sees Andys composure he will freeze up.
Silva will circle, duck an dodge while landing crisp strikes and in the second round Vitor will make a stupid mistake out of frustration and get KTFO

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by Ramonrouge on Jan 24, 2011 2:26 PM EST reply actions  

This article is like that scene in A Bronx Tale where Sonny pulls the kid out of the car before his friends drive off and end up burning to death.

by CaptnAmerca on Jan 24, 2011 2:28 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

It's like 18 years old!

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 24, 2011 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

and a great fucking movie!

I still think about the scene where she unlocks his car door every time I go out with a chick.

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by doonerthesooner on Jan 24, 2011 4:48 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

wow

great writing mr snowden

by gabriezim on Jan 24, 2011 2:37 PM EST reply actions  

Very nice

But you should have mentioned he’s 5-0 in his last 5 fights and 4 wins are by knockout, Also he’s the guy who has permanently broken Linland’s chin. Good job overall though.

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by Hitmonchan on Jan 24, 2011 2:37 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I don’t want to dismiss the guys he faced based on the names and records but . . . if he does defeat Anderson Silva – that will be the first big name, top fighter he defeats.

From what I remember, Matt Lindland lost via the same punch against David Terrell and Robbie Lawlor.

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by VeeisAnimated on Jan 24, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah Lindland has no defense for a right hook from the southpaw position, but IIRC Vitor landed a left hook after slipping a punch

by Str8_right on Jan 24, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Lindland was a long time top 5 and top 10 fighter

and was still in many top 10 lists when he lost to Vitor.

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by Nate Wilcox on Jan 24, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

true that, he gave Rampage and Fedor a run for their money. he just happens to be vulnerable to a southpaws right hook due to his poor hand placement in exchanges

by Str8_right on Jan 24, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I recant the jab against Lindland

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by VeeisAnimated on Jan 24, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

No pun intended?

;)

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by Hitmonchan on Jan 24, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

First witnessed in mere glimpses, against lesser opponents like Terry Martin and Ivan Serati, there were full fledged sightings at UFC 103in Dallas.

Where does murder/death/killing Lindland fit in there?

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by Chris Barton on Jan 24, 2011 2:39 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Lindland hasn't been relevant for years

However, he still deserved mention over Martin or Ivan.

by Bob Loblaw TX on Jan 24, 2011 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

According to BloodyElbow/USA today he was

He was ranked 7th, roughly 2 weeks before the Belfort fight

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/1/8/711712/bloody-elbow-january-mma-m

Not to mention Lindland was the favorite going into that fight.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/1/21/729674/affliction-day-of-reckonin

Linland was 10-2 in his previous 12 going into that fight with the only 2 losses to Fedor and Rampage. But since Lindland went down hill from there people often try to discredit that win.

by bigdmmafan on Jan 24, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Ehhh . . .you have a strong point. Many people felt he deserved the win against Rampage. And Fedor held on to the ropes, cheating Lindland out of a victory.

  • That BODOG fight could have been Couture vs Fedor.

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by VeeisAnimated on Jan 24, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Cheating Lindland out of a victory?

Fedor may have grabbed the ropes for a sec but let’s not pretend Lindland had much of a shot at beating Fedor.

by xfreekx on Jan 24, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah at that time, that win was legit.

by pud333 on Jan 24, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

At the time, Matt Lindland was still considered one of the best fighters at MW.

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by RagingNoodles on Jan 24, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I think I rec'd

more comments in this post than I have all month. Good writing and good counterpoints.

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by Cory Braiterman on Jan 24, 2011 2:42 PM EST reply actions  

Huh?

Snowden for some reason wrote this like an angry ex-girlfriend. Not that I disagree but, man, just look at the tone of this thing…

by Unabomberman on Jan 24, 2011 2:46 PM EST reply actions  

It makes the post more interesting. I don’t think the tone was harsh.

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by VeeisAnimated on Jan 24, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah not harsh at all, more like a fool me once shame on you, fool me twice…I ain’t gonna get fooled again type of thang

by Str8_right on Jan 24, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Watch your step dude.

You’re treading a thin line.

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by Damon O. on Jan 24, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

dude, Im been screaming it for days, Vitor doesn’t have a rep for coming thru in the clutch. Add to that his training all over the place, ring rust and the fact that his next fight after the close to year and half lay off is P4P great A. Silva, bad bad bad for Vitor.

by Str8_right on Jan 24, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I love Silva

and I’ve always been pulling for him to win. I was just enjoying believing that Vitor could make it interesting.

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by Dave Strummer on Jan 24, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m pulling for a 5-round fight.
I’ll enjoy that more than a quick (T)KO victory. Vitor needs to make this fight interesting.

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by VeeisAnimated on Jan 24, 2011 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Either way

It’s certainly building up to be a good one, on a side note, the Lee Murray interview on middleeasy was pretty good. He mentions the unlikely scenario of getting released early and getting into the UFC. GUHODD I’d love to see a rematch of Murray/Silva in the UFC.

by Str8_right on Jan 24, 2011 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Don’t worry. Now Vitor will surely win, just so people can write snarky comments in all of my articles for six months.

by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 24, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Don’t worry. Vitor will NOT win

by Str8_right on Jan 24, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think we need an excuse for snark…
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by Dootch on Jan 24, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

so did Maynard, it happens I guess with powerful wrestlers.

by Str8_right on Jan 24, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

As did Mark Kerr

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 24, 2011 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I am surprised that no one is screaming about Belfort's ROID abuse.

This is the 3rd documented cheater that Anderson Silva has faced in the UFC.

  • Nate Marquardt
  • Chael Sonnen
  • and Vitor Belfort

If Belfort wins, will they hold an asterisk over Belfort’s head?

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by VeeisAnimated on Jan 24, 2011 3:06 PM EST reply actions  

Are you serious?

"Caol Uno was like Mutoh. He developed into a star overseas and then returned to his home country a much bigger deal. Dokonjonosuke Mishima is like Kobashi because they both do moonsaults. Don Frye is like Stan Hansen because they are both fat dumb rednecks with mustaches." - Jonathan Snowden

by RagingNoodles on Jan 24, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Not really.

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by VeeisAnimated on Jan 24, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Roid ABUSE? He was taking injections from his doctor into his KNEE following surgery, and his doctor submitted all the valid paperwork regarding it, unlike Chael’s doctor. If I’m not mistaken, wasn’t Maruqardt’s over turned?

by thievesdont on Jan 24, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I never understood where the “overturned” rumor came from. He was given a light sentence, but it was never overturned as far as I know.

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by Tim Burke on Jan 24, 2011 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

My mistake. For some reason I thought I heard the decision was overturned and the sample came back negative. Probably because of how many times its been mentioned on the internet, with the story changing each time.

by thievesdont on Jan 24, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s all good, wasn’t specifically calling you out on it, a lot of people talk about it. But I think he got 5 months and no fine. The commission took it easy on him.

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by Tim Burke on Jan 24, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Obviously you didn’t notice a change in his physique after he was tested positive. He looked like a greek god before and during Hendo fight. In the next fight with Serati he was a fat bastard with a bad hair cut. And then he shrinked to MW

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by dancingChicken on Jan 24, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Vitor trained regularly with some pretty famous steroid abusers. The idea that he only used after a knee injury is preposterous.

by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 24, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Sheesh, even his veins have muscles

by Str8_right on Jan 24, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

those aren't veins

they’re ego delivery conduits

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by rohedron on Jan 24, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

What’s the expression? Lie down with dogs . . . wake up with fleas.

I tend to be biased towards strikers . . . exciting strikers.
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by VeeisAnimated on Jan 24, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Curtis was Vitor’s strength and conditioning coach. He died in his mid 30’s of a massive heart attack.

by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 24, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

What a surprise…

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by KGNLuc on Jan 24, 2011 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Please do tell.

These insider tidbits are always interesting.

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by VeeisAnimated on Jan 24, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

A) I mentioned it in the first comment. And abuse is hardly the right term.
B) There will be no asterisk, it was years ago.
C) There have been “documented cheaters” challenging for titles in multiple other divisions in the UFC.

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by Tim Burke on Jan 24, 2011 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

A.) Abuse is a stretch and so is the word cheater.
B.) C.) Unfortunate and messed up but that’s modern day sports. “All is forgiven in victory.” I’m looking at A-Rod and company.

I tend to be biased towards strikers . . . exciting strikers.
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by VeeisAnimated on Jan 24, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

So you were being sarcastic with the abuse thing?

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by Tim Burke on Jan 24, 2011 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Just exaggerating. I admit abuse is a strong word for his situation.

I tend to be biased towards strikers . . . exciting strikers.
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by VeeisAnimated on Jan 24, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

"Belfort cut his arm to shreds while training, apparently missing a punching bag and putting his arm through a window at his gym"

When I think of him throwing a bomb and missing a heavy bag, this comes to my mind.

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by dgonz on Jan 24, 2011 3:07 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

How the F do you position a heavy bag that close to window and how bad was your aim to miss heavy bag?

by Str8_right on Jan 24, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Seriously!

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by dgonz on Jan 24, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

What does that quote refer to?

“Belfort cut his arm to shreds while training, apparently missing a punching bag and putting his arm through a window at his gym”

This fight for the fish is a fight to the death!

by doonerthesooner on Jan 24, 2011 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

This one time when he cut his arm to shreds while training, apparently his missed a punching bag and went through a window at his gym

lol

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by dgonz on Jan 24, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

By rights it should have been a no contest, but UFC MMA judging wasn’t super sophisticated yet

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by judonerd on Jan 24, 2011 3:11 PM EST reply actions  

Also

It was a legal strike, TKO (cut) is the correct ruling.

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by VenusBlue on Jan 24, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it was an accidental eye gouge.

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by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 24, 2011 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I dunno

I seem to recall that Vitor’s fist was closed during the strike… and I recall Rogan blamed the ‘seam of the glove’ on commentary. I (and Joe) could well be mistaken though.

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by VenusBlue on Jan 24, 2011 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Randy

has said before it was the seam of the glove as well. I don’t think that counts as a foul, but it’s such a weird circumstance I could be wrong.

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by Chris Barton on Jan 24, 2011 6:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not sure why it wouldn’t. It’s a strike to the eye right?

by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 24, 2011 8:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Wouldn't it be more like

Irvin’s last UFC fight. Where thought he got poked, but really just didn’t close his eye before he ate a closed fist to the eye?

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by Chris Hall on Jan 24, 2011 9:29 PM EST up reply actions  

We debated this on Fightlinker's podcast after CC/JDS

My opinion is, if it’s a closed fist, it’s a legal strike. The rules specifically ban “eye gouging”, not “eye strikes”. I’m pretty sure you’re allowed to aim for it. It would be a helluva thing to punish someone because he threw a hook and a guy turned his eye into it.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 25, 2011 3:08 AM EST up reply actions  

It would also be almost impossible to determine what constitutes a ‘deliberate foul’ in those circumstances, since alot of fighters aim jabs for the eye area anyway.

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and so gavest away thy sword:
but when Muspell's sons through the dark forest ride,
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by VenusBlue on Jan 25, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

That credible opponent? Vladimir Matsyushenko. It was a disaster of a show and the UFC suffered a serious setback.

One thing that I find amusing is that one of the most dull main events in UFC history is probably Ortiz’s strongest win.

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by RagingNoodles on Jan 24, 2011 3:13 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

WTF?

How is breaking someone’s eye socket while taunting them with racial slurs (Maia) indicate that he was taking it easy on a friend? Are you just trolling, or is this really how your mind works?

by Hummus5989 on Jan 24, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Maia blew into his broken nose to swell his eye. He lived.

by bjpurity on Jan 24, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

he forgot to wear his tin foil hat boys, STEAL HIS THOUGHTS!

dont go home, he knows!

by zuffazombie on Jan 24, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

It's kind of fascinating

Utterly insane, but fascinating nonetheless. I’m really curious if this dude is serious.

by Hummus5989 on Jan 24, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah . . . I’m kind of fascinated by this theory.

I tend to be biased towards strikers . . . exciting strikers.
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by VeeisAnimated on Jan 24, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Well Silva has express dismay when it came to facing other Brazilians.

Shogun has even said, he would much rather NOT fight a fellow countrymen.

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by VeeisAnimated on Jan 24, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Worth noting is that he follows that up by saying

‘but I’m a professional and I will fight anybody they put in front of me besides Wanderlei and Ninja.’

Also that he turned out lights on Brazilians such as Arona, Machida, and Cyborg while doing his damnedest to do the same to Minotoro. Which is still possibly my favorite fight ever.

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by pdl on Jan 24, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t get that not fighting countrymen stuff. Do they realize the sport wouldn’t survive if fighters from the same country would never fight each other. There would be no MMA as a sport if all the American fighters refused to fight other Americans or the Japanese refused to fight other Japanese fighters.

Just BE.

by mattman73 on Jan 24, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Wait, wut?

My brain rebooted after reading this.

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by Damon O. on Jan 24, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

i think you wanted “snickers” ;)

snigger?!

by zuffazombie on Jan 24, 2011 3:31 PM EST reply actions  

Who wouldn’t want a Snickers after being on the RUSHFIT program for this long?

by CaptnAmerca on Jan 24, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Vitor is like that ex girlfriend from high school that you meet again at the 10 yr reunion

Had good times back in HS, but she left for “bigger and better things”. Both go on their separate way only to see each other after 10 years at the reunion. She’s done modestly well, still looks ok, and it just so happens you don’t like your current girl friend cause she’s turned into a real cold fish.

If all my years of watching day time tv has taught me is that it will end up badly and with questionable decision making.

by squaresphere on Jan 24, 2011 4:09 PM EST reply actions  

Who what now?

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by Tim Burke on Jan 24, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

A little Freudian window into his romantic life…. That or he watches a lot of Lifetime.

by BKdroid on Jan 24, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Belfort may wilt, but in a striking match he has a very good chance. I don’t think AS is going to be able to get away with loose fundamentals against him.

by TLow on Jan 24, 2011 5:19 PM EST reply actions  

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