UFC Fight for the Troops 2 Results: Joe Rogan and Mike Goldberg Show the Holes in Their Game
Joey Beltran was blistering Pat Barry with punches tonight, landing up to four in a row. In the broadcast booth, Beltran's offense was met with complete silence. Joe Rogan and Mike Goldberg literally said nothing. The announcers had decided that Barry was going to win the standup portion of the fight, and come hell or high water, that's how they were going to call the action.
Every Barry kick was met with a whoop from Rogan, even the ones that never landed or even came close. We were told in the second round that Beltran could barely stand on his lead left leg, despite no evidence of this. Even more damning, there was significant evidence that this wasn't the case at all, as Beltran continued to bull forward.
It was an extremely close, evenly contested fight. But if you listened to it with your eyes closed, you would have pictured a massacre. That's a problem, one we see all too often with the UFC's announce team. To be fair, this is a problem that is bigger than the UFC or even MMA. It's infected sports as a whole. You'll see much worse examples during professional football games every single Sunday as announcers like Joe Buck and Troy Aikman have trouble deviating from the script they've worked so carefully on all week with their producers.
In MMA, Frank Mir was the worst offender, famously calling the Miguel Torres and Takeya Mizugaki fight at WEC 40 like Torres was single handedly getting revenge for Peal Harbor, despite a valiant effort by Mizugaki. You expect that from fighters like Mir who was close with Torres. You expect that from Buck, who is often juggling football, baseball, and appearing as a creepy guy in rental car commercials. You don't expect that from the best in the business.
We hear over and over again from fans and pundits that Rogan and partner Goldberg are the top announce team in combat sports. There wasn't much evidence of that tonight. The silence during Beltran's attack tells the tale. Goldberg, the titular play by play man, rarely calls the action anymore. His role seems to be introducing the fight and then looking for an opening to sell product. It was less annoying tonight, as he was plugging a worthy charity, but no less evident. Our own Mike Fagan, the sport's preeminent Goldberg hater, breaks it down:
If Mike Goldberg's flaws as a play-by-play man weren't transparent enough, it's forced Joe Rogan to start calling the action on his own. Rogan has his place as part of a broadcast team, but play-by-play is not his strength. At this point, Goldberg has become a shell of his already bad self, and has now been reduced to a glorified infomercial during UFC broadcasts.
Goldberg's trouble calling the play by play leaves Rogan forced to both call and analyze the action. He's a dynamic announcer and I thought he was as good tonight selling the Intrepid Fallen Heroes Fund as Goldberg was bad. But he's not Superman. It's time to consider moving Rogan into the position that makes the most sense for him. He should be calling the action as he sees it and a retired fighter or trainer should be providing analysis. If Goldberg is grandfathered in as a permanent employee, let him stay in the booth exclusively to pitch bad movies and video game awards. It's all he's doing anyway.
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Rogan loves him some leg kicks
" Its like when I'm right I'm right, when I'm wrong I coulda been right, so I'm still right cause I coulda been wrong, you know, and I'm sorry cause I could be wrong right now, I could be wrong, but I'm right..." Bama
by 40 Cal. on Jan 23, 2011 12:47 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
We hear over and over again from fans and pundits that Rogan and partner Goldberg are the top announce team in combat sports. There wasn’t much evidence of that tonight.
Being the best is all relative, as there would have to be some team out there better than them. Even with their flaws, they are still better than the rest.
by xDieseLx on Jan 23, 2011 12:49 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
HBO’s boxing team, Showtime’s boxing team, and Strikeforce Challengers are all better crews. Poor Rogan.
by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 23, 2011 12:50 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
In MMA they are still better than the SF team and will be until Mauro goes. But I prefer Schavello these days.
by fitefan on Jan 23, 2011 12:53 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If only Schiavello could cut back on the funny phrasings and invent himself a different catchphrase than “Good Night Irene!”, I’d agree. But this stuff ANNOYS the hell out of me.
Mauro Ranallo oddly enough is in a similar spot. He’s obviously much more knowledgeable than Goldie but he’s moderating like he’s high these days. So for me, the play-by-play-guys all just suck for different reasons. If Goldberg shuts up more than the others, that makes him the best in my book accordingly.
I love the fighers-as-co-commentary thing though. Even effin Frank Shamrock really adds to a broadcast, let alon Milletich or Cotoure etc. I want someone like that on every UFC broadcast. They should him the third man in the booth, because Dana will NEVER give up on Goldie and Rogan. He’s far too loyal to the guys who helped him build his empire for that.
To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.
While I agree that HBO’s boxing team is better, I don’t think it is entirely fair to lump together combat sports when comparing commentating. Boxing has a long and rich history with announce teams that have much more to draw on and educated fans that don’t need lessons on what is happening throughout the fight/evening. MMA is still growing and I think it will take a while before the craft of commentating for the sport has reached a level comparable to other sporting events.
by xDieseLx on Jan 23, 2011 12:54 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Showtime challenger crew is better?
You’re going to be accused of hating Rogan as much as Rogan loves leg kicks.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 23, 2011 12:55 AM EST up reply actions
The Challenger’s crew is great. Mauro is much better at calling the action and Miletich is Rogan’s equal as a color man. Quadros is the extra piece of the puzzle that makes it all work. Great announce team.
by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 23, 2011 12:57 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Miletich is Rogan's equal??
That is comedy, d00d.
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by Charles Awad on Jan 23, 2011 12:58 AM EST up reply actions 13 recs
That's not an outlandish statement
Have you even listened to Miletich do color? He is very good. I don’t know that he’s either way better or worse than Rogan, but he’s in the same ballpark. I would love to hear Rogan on PBP with Miletich doing color.
by Anton Chigurh on Jan 23, 2011 8:18 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Rogan as PBP is not a good idea, IMO. Can you imagine Joe plugging all the sponsors etc? He’d be a fool to agree to that. He’s the “people’s commentator”, calling stuff sometimes more as a fan than as an expert. That’s why people love him, not Goldie. If he has to do all the puppet-jobs Goldberg does right now his stock will plummet. Plus: Rogan is not the problem, Goldberg is…or maybe even his job. It’ll be hard to get a well informed guy with good moderating skills to do the living commercial-machine.
To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.
by KGNLuc on Jan 23, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You act like they are forced to do those plugs. That’s the UFC’s choice. Watch football to see a much better use of plugs. They don’t talk about CBS’s fall lineup while the Packers are driving with 2 minutes on the clock.
by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 23, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
UFC is worse than WWE.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Jan 23, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Sure you do.
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Nate: When I banned Subo?
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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 23, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
Watched carefully today on Fox. Almost always the plugs were down coming out of a break and before the teams were at the line of scrimmage. They didn’t discuss anything but football during live action.
by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 23, 2011 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, I’m not used to this sort of thing at all. Here in germany they don’t do that ever. Fights here get called by journalists mostly and they are expected to give a balanced, informed commentary and that’s it (not to say all of the do). This plugging of sponsors stuff really rarely happens. So I have no examples on how to do it better. I am sure you’re right.
That said: I’m not sure that the UFC will want to fiddle with a proven system on two ends (form and execution) at the same time…plus the criticism here was aimed at the persons, not the way the UFCs production is set up. I remember someone posting about how their praised production isn’t half as good as it is supposed to be though…that might be a topic worthy of expanding on. ;)
To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.
Dude anyone who reads Snowdens pieces knows how anti Zuffa he is, if the teams were switched and the SF crew was the UFC’s crew he would be saying how awful they were, how Mauro is a joke and how Quadros is a zombie, and how great SF team of Rogan and Goldi are the best ever.
Dont you see its about bigging up SF while bringing down Zuffa, thats his game, the hit pieces, the awful articles about how SF team is the best, I mean nobody takes him seriously as a writer, most just like to read the awful pieces he writes and laugh and how stupid and terrible they are.
Leland’s prospect pieces are the best work done on this site.
That’s a bit one-sided. I’ve criticized some of his articles as well but Snowden has also contributed some really good stuff here.
To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.
Yo I agree they're good
But better than Joe and Goldie? Can’t sign off on that.
MMA’s allstar team ; Joe and the Fight Professor. No one else would even be needed.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 23, 2011 12:58 AM EST up reply actions
Quadros creeps me the F out
He continues to look like Skeletor.
Fire Gus "What's a screen?" Bradley.
by SSreporters on Jan 23, 2011 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
I agree he is creepy looking
But what does that matter? Joe looks hung over every single broadcast. Quadros does a great job, that’s the point.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Jan 23, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
I like quadros. You know who every girl I've ever shown a UFC event thinks is creepy? Joe Rogan
They’ve all said why does he always dress the same look greasy dirty and high? Also they think he would drop a roofie in a girls drink at a club.
by Papercut Elbow on Jan 23, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
Only as long as Quadros stays off camera. All. The. Time. When he comes in, they’ll have to cover him with a blanket till he reaches his own, seperate broadcasting-tent. If they do that, it’ll be awesome. If not —→see Skeletor-Remark below.
To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.
Mauro can actually call positions.
I know I refer to this a lot, but Mauro called Spider guard properly in fights. Rogan called “Locking down” instead of body triangle twice tonight, once when the guy didn’t even have the body triangle. Pathetic.
Mauro needs to tone it down a notch and knock off the stupid puns, but he is infinitely better than the empty noise that Goldy provides.
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by pdl on Jan 23, 2011 1:00 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I'm not really.
I meant Goldy instead of Rogan, who proceeded to call the body triangle properly. But other than that, by basically being a fucking champion.
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by pdl on Jan 23, 2011 1:08 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Rogan called "Locking down" instead of body triangle twice tonight, once when the guy didn’t even have the body triangle.
Why would he call a body triangle if the guy didn’t even have it?
Yeah
Mauro’s worst attribute is his pun-play and horrible jokes. Calling the action, he’s great. Coupled with Rogan he would do wonders.
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by Charles Awad on Jan 23, 2011 1:01 AM EST up reply actions
Mauro and the Voice alone together has to happen at least once though
Just for the hilarity
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 23, 2011 1:02 AM EST up reply actions
I love Schiavello
Shitty puns and all.
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by Charles Awad on Jan 23, 2011 1:03 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Mauro and Rogan in a booth together would blow up with enthusiasm.
I think Mauro two notches down (which is still really goddamn enthusiastic) and Pat Militech’s deadpan knowledge are a great combination. Mauro and Rogan would have nobody to reign them in. Add Couture and it’s a possibility.
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I'd be down with Couture in the mix
I can’t stand Pat in the booth, personally. I just can’t jive with his personality.
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by Charles Awad on Jan 23, 2011 1:12 AM EST up reply actions
Full disclosure, I couldn't hear most of the commentary tonight in the bar I was at.
Really, I love Pat in the booth. He’s not always perfect, but he knows what he’s calling and he almost never gets too worked up. Something about the combination of knowledge and calmness he bring to a broadcast reminds me of the best of old school boxing, which I think is the prototype for MMA to follow until it proves to break through.
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What I like about Pat and Mauro
Mauro will call the action then ask really good questions. Usually “What would you do in this situation, Pat?”
At which point Pat says how he subbed/KO’d or was subbed/KO’d by Fighter X. Or how he was cornering a fight when Fighter X used this technique on Fighter Z.
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by TheFilt on Jan 23, 2011 5:21 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Mauro needs to tone it down a notch and knock off the stupid puns
My fucking god….this.
I know he’s always done them but it seems like he cranked it up to 11 ever since his Pride days. Mauro playing it straight = some of the best PBP in the business.
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No, yes, AND NO! NO! NO!
Mauro is a shell of his former self. He’s lost all of his PRIDE.
Fire Gus "What's a screen?" Bradley.
by SSreporters on Jan 23, 2011 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
Mauro is absolutely dreadful to listen to now and sounds like he should be commentating for a pro wrestling event, not MMA. Let’s not get started on Frank Shamrock either.
by thievesdont on Jan 23, 2011 12:58 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He mentioned Challengers though
I don’t think Shamrock normally does those.
Fire Gus "What's a screen?" Bradley.
by SSreporters on Jan 23, 2011 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
frank shamrock is the worst announcer in the history of the universe
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 23, 2011 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
joe buck and phil simms disagree
a lifelong giants fan but i find simms’ work in the booth about as good as dave browns quarterback play was
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Joe Buck is getting better in sounding excited
But I hate his smarmy personality.
Fire Gus "What's a screen?" Bradley.
Phil Simms makes me want to hurt myself.
by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 23, 2011 1:02 AM EST up reply actions
This. Collinsworth always lets his bias shine through.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 23, 2011 1:02 AM EST up reply actions
ill call u collinsworth and raise tony kornheiser
"I have smoked weed with alot of UFC champions" - Joe Rogan
I think he was joking. I hope he was joking. The Sunday Night crew is by far the best announce team in football. Gruden is absolutely awful.
by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 23, 2011 1:03 AM EST up reply actions
Gruden is awful?
the hell? He’s the best MNF guy in years. Jesus do you remember Kornheiser? My lawd.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 23, 2011 1:04 AM EST up reply actions
No way
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by Charles Awad on Jan 23, 2011 1:05 AM EST up reply actions
dennis miller.....
"I have smoked weed with alot of UFC champions" - Joe Rogan
I don't hate Gruden
But saying he’s an upgrade over Kornheiser is like saying a Chrysler is an upgrade over a Geo Metro.
Fire Gus "What's a screen?" Bradley.
Kornheiser had to be corrected on atrocious idiocy every week
jaws had to bite his tongue constantly.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 23, 2011 1:07 AM EST up reply actions
i hate jaws cause he was an eagle
but he knows the damn game
"I have smoked weed with alot of UFC champions" - Joe Rogan
Gruden is aaawful...
THIS GUY (does whatever). THIS GUY (something else).
Gruden’s “This guy” thing has become a drinking game
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 23, 2011 1:08 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I am speechless at this Gruden hate
This guy is awesome at calling football.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 23, 2011 1:09 AM EST up reply actions
He’s good at pointing out things that are going to happen. He knows the game. His delivery is laughably bad though.
Still a Beer Monster.
http://www.instrength.com
I think it's awesome. I think he is a great announcer.
I am shocked at how divisive he is here. I really thought his work was great this year. Matter fact he made the games better and more exciting. This guy can call football.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 23, 2011 1:12 AM EST up reply actions
You guys related?
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by Charles Awad on Jan 23, 2011 1:12 AM EST up reply actions
I am considering banning you for this, as it is a clear sign you are incapable of coherent thought.
by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 23, 2011 1:13 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
You know you love me Jonathan.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 23, 2011 1:25 AM EST up reply actions
Wow, impressive to see someone that liked him. Seriously, most people I heard of thought the guy was a joke
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 23, 2011 1:13 AM EST up reply actions
He's really sticking with this, too
Pretty intense.
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by Charles Awad on Jan 23, 2011 1:14 AM EST up reply actions
Fingers firmly in ears here on this one.
Not even trying to hear this noise. THIS GUY can call football.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 23, 2011 1:27 AM EST up reply actions
OH
This guy! (Mind floods with terrible memories of Dice Clay stand-up).
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by Charles Awad on Jan 23, 2011 1:28 AM EST up reply actions
First time I've ever agreed with you on BE.
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Wow.
In which case : What’s it like being compulsively wrong so much then?
:P
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 23, 2011 8:26 AM EST up reply actions
You tell me, sir.
And then God created Saturn... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
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I wouldn't know.
my condolences on being a niners fan btw.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 23, 2011 8:32 AM EST up reply actions
Kiss the rings.
And then God created Saturn... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
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it's been almost 20 years since they've won
The bears have overall more NFL championships. When I am getting rear ended by dweebs who weren’t even alive the last time the niners won, I think we can start counting total NFL titles yo.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 23, 2011 8:37 AM EST up reply actions
I think you’re taking the topic a little too seriously. Don’t be like a Packers fan and hold onto irrelevant titles. You know they don’t matter. When it’s been most competitive, we’ve won more than you.
And for the record, I have published two articles to the effect of rooting for the Bears this weekend and in the Super Bowl.
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who is serious?
Maybe I should smatter more LOL’s in my post. Anyway, it’s hard to be serious when I’m getting hated on by a Niners fan and we’re about to wreck the Packers and do the shuffle once again.
BTW I think at the height of his powers, there was never a better QB than Steve Young, ever.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 23, 2011 8:46 AM EST up reply actions
Except … I’m not hating on you. This started with me agreeing with you.
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I know dude, I’m just playing around with you. Jeesh. You started by also implying I am always wrong. No SB appearances since the days of loaf sized cellphones takes all the fun out of a fan I guess. Again, my condolences.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 23, 2011 8:51 AM EST up reply actions
Nah, I implied I just have different opinions than you. An opinion can’t be wrong. You started with the insults, my friend.
And it’s hard to gauge you, really. You’re just “playing around” with me, yet you continue to insult my fandom … Like I said, I’m rooting for the Bears, but you’re doing an awful good job of changing that. :]
Just pointing out, more than anything, that I never implied anything negative about you.
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No one is insulting anyone dude.
Relax brother. I’ve only told you I am being playful with you a hand full of times. You’re like a Niner worshiping android who can’t gauge emotional context. That’s kind of unrealistic though, because the Niners won’t have any fans by the time those get invented. I hope the Bears win though even more now, cause now I’ll have some serious smack to answer for later.
Cheers!
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 23, 2011 9:07 AM EST up reply actions
I don't see how you'd have anything to answer for ...
… considering I am rooting for the damn Bears. >_>
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lol
ok mayne.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 23, 2011 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
Haha
He gets really weird in his bus interviews, too.
“Say guy, have you ever looked at a 100 dollar bill…. on WEED?”
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by Charles Awad on Jan 23, 2011 1:09 AM EST up reply actions
The MNF GOAT!
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 23, 2011 1:59 AM EST up reply actions
Gruden romanticizes everyone
He did it as a coach too.
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by Charles Awad on Jan 23, 2011 1:05 AM EST up reply actions
I love Gruden's commentary. He's epic.
His passion and wit coupled with his knowledge. He can do color and analysis at once.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 23, 2011 1:06 AM EST up reply actions
Shit no
I think he should get back in the coaching game, personally. Back to where he can have nine mediocre coaches in camp at once..
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by Charles Awad on Jan 23, 2011 1:07 AM EST up reply actions
He is scared to death of offending anyone. The Browns could be playing the Bengals and we’d be seeing TWO GREAT FOOTBALL TEAMS.
by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 23, 2011 1:07 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
There is no bad player in the NFL
“I USED TO FEAR THIS GUY EVERY TIME WE HAD TO PLAY HIM!”
Fire Gus "What's a screen?" Bradley.
This
I love the passion he conveys but goddamn if he doesn’t sound like a shill for every team in the league. I understanding the reasoning — he doesn’t want to piss off any potential future employers — but tone it down a bit, you know?
That said, the Sunday Night Football team is one of the best along with Greg Gumbel and Dan Dierdorf.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
I'm not sure it's a matter of future employers
Gruden has a storied history of romanticizing players, particularly as a coach. He thinks every player is the best of all time.
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by Charles Awad on Jan 23, 2011 1:30 AM EST up reply actions
i like moose johnston and the other guy hes with
the best football commentary, i rarely notice them and when i do its cause they said something that i was screaming at the tv
football commentary should be like a good offensive lineman they do their job when u dont notice them unless ur pointing out a sweet pancake
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Moose is great,
But Goose ruins that whole team.
by Mandmeisterx on Jan 23, 2011 2:35 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Gruden is always too busy eating popcorn.
And then God created Saturn... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
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Holy crap could you imagine Gruden calling MMA?
“THIS GUY! Mauricio Shogun Rua! THIS GUY IS A TRUE MIXED. MARTIAL. ARTIST. He really loves the sport and THIS GUY IS A FIGHTER!”
Fire Gus "What's a screen?" Bradley.
His coach told us he is a REALLY GRITTY MARTIAL ARTIST. He Just comes to BANG.
by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 23, 2011 1:05 AM EST up reply actions
“I’m gonna call him THE SHERIFF because he enforces THE LAW IN THIS CAGE!”
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Fire Gus "What's a screen?" Bradley.
FOOTWORK!
I hate Jaws. He’s so terribly contrived, it’s completely unpalatable.
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by Charles Awad on Jan 23, 2011 1:08 AM EST up reply actions
We need the MMA equivalent of "New York Football Giants"
They baseball New York Giants left decades ago. Drop that shite now.
Fire Gus "What's a screen?" Bradley.
when I first glanced at this
I read, “I’ve hated jews ever since…”
Totally changed the context.
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I was just typing the same thing. I was getting ready to ban...
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 23, 2011 1:29 AM EST up reply actions
That's hilarious
I can see a convo about this now
“Why did you get banned”
“Hated on a football commentator…..”
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Wow. I never realized that’s what it said. I was actually in Europe last spring, went to Auschwitz, and haven’t said a darn thing about that since. It’s so sobering. I’d never say a Jew joke, and would definitely love it if that got bans, which it rightfully should.
Yeah, it clearly says Jaws. I was just hitting “z” to get through new comments and as that one zoomed by it looked totally wrong and I had to scroll up really fast to make sure I wasn’t about to ban.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 23, 2011 1:32 AM EST up reply actions
I've done a tour of Auschwitz/Berkinau with a survivor.
Never been so overwhelmed before in my life. This isn’t the place to discuss it, but I’m right with you.
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-Randall Munroe
It was absurdly powerful.
Our guide, now friend of mine, told us about when he met Mengle and refused to look him in the eye because the guard advised him that was safer. Later he lit a candle by the gas chambers for his father who he never was reunited with.
It’s easy to write off the atrocities of the past as history, but knowing a person who is still alive and lived through it is just about the most sobering experience a person can have.
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Yeah. You can hear all you want about an event, but being there and seeing and touching things changes you. Our tour guide in Berlin lived in West Berlin and his wife and child lived in East Berlin, they were split from the age of 20 until… whatever, you do the math, but talking to him, and touching the wall was definitely a moment where I grew so much appreciation for the society I’m privileged to live in.
And considering Jaworski is a Polish name
That makes the context even more convincing.
Fire Gus "What's a screen?" Bradley.
Wow. I feel like a horrible person right now. I regret that. And still really dislike… Rod. Rod Jaworski. That seems like a safe bet. Or the guy that works on MNF that doesn’t do play by play and isn’t Gruden.
Mike Tirico
He’s the guy who had some serious sexual harassment problems in the early ’90s. Deadspin unleashed it.
Fire Gus "What's a screen?" Bradley.
Mike does a good job
Kind of bland though, but you need him to counter balance the Gruden-Jaws goofball factor.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 23, 2011 1:36 AM EST up reply actions
Is that legitimate? I never knew that, that’s insane. Just Wikipedia’d it. "Wikipedia is the best thing ever. Anyone in the world, can write anything they want about any subject. So you know you are getting the best possible information." – Michael Scott
I don't speak for Brent
but you’re totally redeemed with The Office quote
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by T.C. Engel on Jan 23, 2011 1:38 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd for that
I may cry when he leaves the show this season
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yeah, I heard the same
Its safe to say that without Playboy we wouldn't have MMA as we know it today. - Jonathan Snowden
It's legit.
http://deadspin.com/191242/here-are-those-tirico-stories-we-hinted-at-last-week
In another story, one female producer — who had been to dinner with Tirico and his fiancee — was startled to receive an email from him saying that he wanted to sleep with her. Later, when the staff went to a bar after a late night covering the NCAA tournament, Tirico approached her and said, “I wish I was single. If I were, I’d throw you on the table right here and fuck your brains out.” After she tried to excuse him as drunk, he persisted: “I know you want to screw me. So let’s leave.” Later, he followed her on the highway and tried to get her to pull over, unsuccessfully.
Fire Gus "What's a screen?" Bradley.
I would like Gruden more
if he didn’t love every single player in the league. Emphatically.
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by Cory Braiterman on Jan 23, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Gotta go with Theismann
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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 23, 2011 1:57 AM EST up reply actions
Where's the love for Teddy Atlas?
still my favorite color man in combat sports.
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by Dave Strummer on Jan 23, 2011 1:07 AM EST up reply actions
barely tolerable
God dude when he has his heart set on bashing someone in a fight he is calling, nothing can sway him. You would have thought David Lemieux lost that fight on ESPN he won in the second round via KO. The overdone mafia like boxing-trainer accent doesn’t do any favors for me either.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 23, 2011 2:04 AM EST up reply actions
Teddy is so knowledgable about the sport
and he is incredible at identifying what fighters are doing wrong, and what adjustments they should be making. I didn’t see the Lemieux fight, but I’ve definitely seen Teddy call good fights that didn’t go according to script.
The accent I guess is an acquired taste, but I like it. I have long wished Teddy would announce every boxing match I watch.
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by Dave Strummer on Jan 23, 2011 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
I am severely hot and cold with him
He does have an extremely high boxing IQ. But man, his bias sometimes RUINS fights.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 23, 2011 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
LOL, SF team better?
Well since anyone who reads this site knows how anti Zuffa you are and you you do articles blasting them and the Best Announce Team in MMA following around the SF team so its not a surprise to hear you say that, the problem is its just not true and everyone knows it, do a poll, do it, poll this site, sherdog, mmajunkie and you’ll see, UFC team is the best in the business and it wont even be close.
So this is what I love, of course on this site you will pieces like this, hit pieces against Zuffa, but when mmafighting did a hit piece on the SF announce team, Pat M for his awful work on the last card, you see people saying why are they attacking Pat M and SF, why arent they calling out the flaws for the UFC team, so when you attack SF people say well thats unfair cause your not calling out the UFC for their flaws, but the fact is that piece was simply pointing out the flaws in that one broadcast, so with this your pointing out something in this broadcast but notice you dont see anyone saying well what about SF and Pat M.
Thats the hypocrisy, you bash SF and they call you a Zuffa zombie on UFC payroll and say well UFC does this, and UFC does that and what about UFC, but if you bash the UFC you dont see well what about SF, well you thought Rogan did this so what about Pat M, you only see that when someone attacks SF. You get pieces on this site calling the writer a Zuffa employee.
What a joke.
Frankly yes Rogan wasnt great during that Barry fight, but watch that third round he was calling action early for Beltran, other then that I think he was fine, and even with their flaws, they are still 100 x better then any other broadcast team.
LOL at this guy thinking Mauro and Pat M are the best team? Oh god. I mean I’ve read this site for a long time even without an account and everyone knows Snowdens reputation for being anti Zuffa and when its fair its fine, but its laughable calling SF team the best and dont even get me started with teh HBO boxing team, this guy thinks Lampley and Merchant are good?
Bam, bam, bam, another one from Manny, bam BAM BAM, I mean manny needs to jump outisde the ring and nut in Lampleys mouth, he would love it, thats how much he rides Manny’s dick. and Merchant, if you can honestly sit their and say you understand the shit he says, he goes off on this pointless ramblings, and Max, oh god.
I like Rogan Goldberg is an annoying robot
I swear he has buttons in his back with sound bites to say.
Still they are better than that mess called the Strikeforce Booth Pat is good an all but Shamrock and Mauro not so much.
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Goldberg sucks a robot could do his job easy in fact he may be a robot.
You just preprogram a bunch of dumb chatter then insert sponsors and newest video games or movies coming out.
by Papercut Elbow on Jan 23, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
Stephan Bonnar.
He could use the work, especially given that sweet gig he lost in the UFC/WEC merger.
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by McKinley B. Noble on Jan 23, 2011 12:50 AM EST via mobile reply actions
WTF
what’d I say?
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by Cory Braiterman on Jan 23, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
Really?
The last time I watched him on MMA Live he was like a deer in the headlights.
Root for the home team jack ass
I think i’ll always be baffled by what you choose to focus on in most of your post fight pieces.
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by Goonisis on Jan 23, 2011 12:51 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
This is exactly like what Rogan did with Rua - Machida 1
But if you listened to it with your eyes closed, you would have pictured a massacre.
Not only did he largely ignore Machida’s shots, but Rua got credit from Joe even when his strikes missed or were ineffective, while at the same time when Machida was blasting him he was getting no love (or even recognition) from Rogan…
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by The American Ronin on Jan 23, 2011 12:51 AM EST reply actions 5 recs
I was live for that one, but I’ll look at it. I’ll bet you are right.
by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 23, 2011 12:52 AM EST up reply actions
To listen to Rogan it sounded like a very one-sided fight, but to watch it with the sound off (which I have done a few times) it was truly a very even fight overall that could have realistically been judged for either guy with little room for complaint.
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by The American Ronin on Jan 23, 2011 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
I was also live for that one, front row.
I called it a clear Shogun win. Watching later, I was a bit shocked by the commentary, even though I held to my scoring. That’s the problem with a fan in the booth like Rogan, he’s as stunned as we are.
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When I watched on PPV, I think I said 49 46 Shogun, and then watched with the sound off and I think had it… 48 47 Shogun? Much much closer when you aren’t being fed a stream of bias.
I don't it was biased
I just think Rogan was overly excited at what he was seeing. This was, afterall, meant to be the Machida-era. If you want to see serious biased commentary, watch Shogun vs Coleman II. Rogan was virtually cornering Coleman.
i did watch it with sound off( the bar had the sound down and the music up)
And I thought beltran was gonna get the nod. I am glad Barry won, because he totally won the “fight” but I thought beltran might have out pointed him. Judges seem to love the wall and stall almost as much as take Downs That lead to nothing.
And You are so right about the shogun machida fight.
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by the-gentle-way on Jan 23, 2011 1:04 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yep, Machida literally rocks Shogun at one point but all Rogan saw there was a knee to the body
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 23, 2011 12:52 AM EST up reply actions
I thought the same thing
Machida would land a knee and Rogan would say Shogun lands another kick.
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Exactly what I came to say
Silence if Machida landed a combo, but if Shogun glanced one on the exit he “won the exchange” – every time for 25 mins
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I agree with you, but I still think the fault lies far more with Goldberg not just calling the action. Joe just starts adding his take, and tries to point out things that are less obvious to casual fans, such as the fact that leg kicks can end fights, or directly lead to a finish. If he thinks a fighter is less known to the average fan, he talks them up more, trying to describe their game, etc…It’s too much sometimes because no one else (Goldie I’m looking at you here) is just cleanly describing the action. So Joe just ends up taking over, being of the excitable sort, and the color, the expectations, just take over the broadcast. I’d like Joe teamed with an experienced fighter. Randy, or even Stephen Bonnar would be worth a shot. They’d rein Joe in and add personal experience to the broadcast. Goldie can interview celebs around the Octagon and hock the goods in short segments.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jan 23, 2011 2:15 AM EST up reply actions
I disagree.
I think that while Goldberg and his supervisors need to seriously reevaluate his role in the booth, Goldberg should in no way be used to excuse Rogan’s own shortcomings. Frankly, for as often as Rogan calls for improvement in the world of MMA, he ought to become a part of the solution.
Rogan has, as mentioned before, demonstrated an almost inexcusable bias in calling and analyzing certain fights. Barry and Machida, as mentioned before, but also in the DHK/Parisyan fight—Parisyan kicked Kim in the face while they were on the ground, and Rogan tried to downplay the severity of the foul, claiming that what was an obvious infraction of the rules shouldn’t be taken too seriously since it was “more of a shove than a kick,” or something like that. That kind of behavior not only warps the viewers’ impression of the fight, it’s also incredibly disrespectful to the fighter getting short shrift in the cage.
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I hear you. Joe does get nutty about certain fighters, certain techniques. I guess that’s why I just want less of him. He shouldn’t be the driving force behind the broadcast, but with Goldie there, he might as well be flying solo. But with that said, Joe does a great job, particularly of breaking down the ground game for the viewing audience, talking about training, cutting weight, etc., he knows his stuff, and conveys it well. A lot of what bothers people about Joe is that they just don’t like him, or that he’s talking to people who don’t regularly train a martial art, and who aren’t nearly as obsessed and knowledgeable as the average BE reader. I think he just needs a stronger, authoritative personality with him to balance things out.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Jan 23, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
I’d also add that it’s pretty hard to see him as biased toward Shogun in the first Shogun/Machida fight. He’s a big fan of both fighters. The problem is that Joe’s job as the color/analyst is to mention the less obvious facets of a fight as it unfolds, and to unpack the ground game to the less knowledgeable viewership. Casual fans had no idea how good Shogun was, and often don’t realize how effective leg kicks are. So Joe is just doing his job, mentioning the finer points and the background of the lesser known fighter. Goldie just isn’t a strong enough, confident enough caller of the action, and so Joe just takes over, and the whole broadcast sounds biased. If Goldie was mentioning the big knees Lyoto was burying in Shogun’s abdomen, the fact that Shogun gets rocked by a straight punch and lunges reflexively for the first takedown attempt, Joe wouldn’t look like a complete Shogun homer. Instead, the entire broadcast falls on Rogan far too often. I’m not arguing that Joe is perfect, simply that the lack of a strong “play-caller” leads to Joe doing and saying more than his purpose there should require. I think if Joe had that, or a fighter of stature like Couture, he wouldn’t walk all over the broadcast. It’s more a matter of a clueless, blind captain trying to steer the ship through the storm, until the salty old first mate boots his dumbass out of the way to right the broadcast.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Jan 23, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, all true. I guess that’s why it’s so frustrating to me. I’ve heard Rogan do a better job, but sometimes, especially lately, he seems to be on auto-pilot or something. A more stable, productive partner in the booth might go a long way to fix things. I don’t understand why Goldie doesn’t do a better job, though. The guy has been part of the UFC for like, 10 years and from what I understand he even trains.
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I don’t understand it either. I think he’s just so deferential to Joe it screws them up. I like Goldie, seems like a nice guy, but he does train in Muay Thai I believe, and yet, rarely has much to offer. Too weak a personality to compete with the Joe Rogan gonzology. I’d love to see them add in a guest fighter to offer some counterpoint.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Jan 23, 2011 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
I agree that Rogan ignored Beltran's offense for little a while
But he was mostly right, Beltran at most won one round, and barely. And by the end of the fight he was proven right. Beltran’s leg was destroyed as he collapsed under the abuse of those kicks. Joey Beltran showed the effects of the kicks early on in the contest and as soon as they landed. Beltran made that fight closer than it should have been. Joe has had much worse performances. No issues with him tonight at all.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 23, 2011 12:52 AM EST reply actions 5 recs
You could see the effects of those kicks immediately following the first round. They were fine tonight.
by thievesdont on Jan 23, 2011 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
You could sure see it as Beltran plowed forward and outboxed Barry. Time after time. Met with silence.
by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 23, 2011 12:55 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
“Beltran is landing some good shots here”
by thievesdont on Jan 23, 2011 12:56 AM EST up reply actions
They were also very critical of Barry for not pushing forward. Come on now.
by thievesdont on Jan 23, 2011 12:56 AM EST up reply actions
Rogan said Beltran was dominating the inside striking didn’t he?
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 23, 2011 12:56 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Also, you have to wonder if that is incompetence or if Zuffa sometimes wants them to paint a fight in a certain way. Joe talks up fights in the Countdown-Specials all the time. I think he will have similar duties when calling the action as well sometimes.
To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.
I agree. I watched the fight again and I think the commentary was quite accurate. Sure, Beltran connected with some flurries in the early rounds, but there is no doubt that Barry’s leg kicks were by and large the most effective strikes in the entire fight.
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by circuitbreaker on Jan 23, 2011 4:37 AM EST up reply actions
Very true
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 23, 2011 8:28 AM EST up reply actions
This didn’t seem to bother me all that much tonight but I’m not going to disagree with you. They need to go to a three man booth.
Kenny Florian!
I love when he takes the mic. I also liked when Couture did it for a while. Maybe Machida can retire him and he can go to the booth.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 23, 2011 1:37 AM EST up reply actions
stop with the hate on rogan and goldie
you have to remember when it comes to the broadcasters no one is even close to the UFC’s. Rogan was really off his game tonight because he really felt very viably uncomfortable with the whole idea of the fight night. Rogan (being an intelligent man) is very anti war and his feelings on it effected his performance….i dont know if u saw but when Goldie was reading the letter from the military guy Joe had a hard time being professorial. Rogan is the perfect man for the job so stop being stereotypical MMA fans and being fickle about everthing
Rogan is fine but Goldberg is awful and drags Rogan down.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 23, 2011 1:09 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Goldie is a reliable company man.
But man, he’s awful.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 23, 2011 1:10 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This
I think if Rogan was able to hang back and do his color commentary with another analyst he would seem much stronger. But when he has to deal with stuff like “after the first strike isn’t everything a counter?” and try not to call Goldie an idiot – his performance suffers.
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by Chris Hall on Jan 23, 2011 1:11 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
he is stunned by your comment

I was one of the authors of the Port Huron Statement.
by Grappo on Jan 23, 2011 9:15 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The fight in question replay is about to play again right now on Spike.
Let’s all regrade Joe’s performance while we debate the issue here.
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ur hitting ur stride with these
i agree with just about everything the beltran barry fight was bad on alot of levels and the commentary was certainly one of them
but rogan and goldie are the best, but like being the valedictorian of the special ed class, does it really count?
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Rogan bugged me by continuing to say Barry beat "Doug Evensen"
It’s Dan Evensen!! DAN!!!!
Fire Gus "What's a screen?" Bradley.
i think u mentioned this in the live blog
and who really cares, noone rememebers that guy anyway besides u
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It's still a poor lack of research
And a true test of my nerdyness to actually remember someone as obscure as Evensen.
Fire Gus "What's a screen?" Bradley.
And he called Ricardo Laborio instead of Ricardo Almeida on the prelims.
Slips like that, I can abide. You can fix that by letting him know and making him more conscious of it. Goldy’s ignorance is a different issue.
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Yeah, as Brown was in the fight and he had mentioned Liborio earlier. Boy, Brown is sure showing the form that made him a mediocre 155er.
by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 23, 2011 1:06 AM EST up reply actions
LOL
If you hate Joe Rogan, you despise MTB. I knew you’d be hating on him tonight aha.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 23, 2011 1:10 AM EST up reply actions
I really like Joe Rogan. I am indifferent to Brown.
by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 23, 2011 1:10 AM EST up reply actions
when he was letting his hands go he looked good
but i saw no sign of his strength and the way he just outmuscled guys in the WEC
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He looked awful throwing his hands. Are you kidding me? He threw nothing but knockout punches and whiffed time and again.
by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 23, 2011 1:11 AM EST up reply actions
in the first when he connected a few times he didnt look horrible
looked like he stunned yahya and had some power left
but i know im digging for positives here, MTB is deteriorating and could be gone shortly its rough since he was a favorite of mine
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Is there something behind this seemingly rapid downward spiral?
I mean, Brown looked awful in every way. He was sluggish and seemingly, physically diminished, sickly looking and rarely focused.
I can accept that he might have just been a big fish in a small pond, but he doesn’t seem to have the same intensity that characterized him one or two years ago.
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he's apparently had
a lot of personal issues to deal with. No clue if that’s the reasoning, but its certainly possible that it’s had an effect.
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by Cory Braiterman on Jan 23, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
But…isn’t throwing nothing but knockout-punches doing it Fedor-style? :)
To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.
I spelled Liborio wrong. Hard to fault Rogan in that context now.
Rogan makes mistakes like that, but I can generally find him acceptable. Sometimes he fucks up, but it’s rarely a detriment to a broadcast like Frank Mir, as you mentioned. By the way, I regularly reference the Torres Mizugaki fight as the worst commentary ever, as Mir’s bro love ruined a dramatic comeback in the later rounds. And I’m the [second] biggest Miguel fan you’ll ever find.
Goldberg though, holy shit. He’s just awful. I’d love to take Fagan’s “Sack Mike Goldberg” stance to another level. The dude is terrible. I’m not sure he’s significantly better than Gus Johnson honestly, and I mean that as the gravest of insults to Goldy rather than a justification of Gus’ awfulness in MMA. We get it. Dana White is on Twitter, Manswers is next LIVE ON SPIKE TV, and IT’S ALL OVER! It hasn’t changed any in the past 10 years beyond doing a mad-libs with Spike TV filling in the Proper Noun.
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In fairness all of those things sans the last one is probably cue card stuff
But we need someone else.
Fire Gus "What's a screen?" Bradley.
Goldy is great at reading a script.
Put him as the commentator in Dodgeball 2 next to Jason Bateman on ESPN 8 The Ocho and he’s golden. Make him the unquestionable play by play man who doesn’t even do play by play in the leading promotion of the sport I love, and there’s an issue.
Goldy is like the Bring the Pain intro. The sport has outgrown both, and the UFC needs to recognize when former staples are holding the brand back.
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by pdl on Jan 23, 2011 1:31 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I don't care.
Him being overrated means that Rani gets a bigger boost and more love from the UFC. As a huge Rani fan and supporter, I can live with that. Even if it is wrong. TEAM CONSTRICTOR!
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Yeah man
I was so excited for Rani.
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by Charles Awad on Jan 23, 2011 1:41 AM EST up reply actions
Jesus he made a slip up, I mean honestly I’d rather Rogan in the heat of things confuse Laborio for Almeida rather then listening to Pat M talk about how Tyron Woodley is the best athlete in M MA and is gonna be the best WW and shit. Thats just me, I’d rather a slip up then shit like that, thats just me though.
I agree with a lot of what you said here
Though, Barry clearly won the fight despite Rogan’s commentary, which isn’t always the case (blowing Belcher in his fight against Akiyama).
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Ok, the fight is starting on Spike right now. Go. Let's rewatch this shit now.
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I like Rogan, but I agree...
Beltran put together some great offense the entire fight and landed some great combinations.
Barry’s defense was nonexistent.
But you’re right, somebody listening on the radio would have thought it was a flawless 30-27 for Barry.
by GaryMario on Jan 23, 2011 1:03 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
I just ignore both of them at this point
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I think it's quite obvious that all UFC events would be better
By hiring Ian Darke.
GO GO USA! He already does boxing so MMA will be easy.
Fire Gus "What's a screen?" Bradley.
I was just about to ask
I like Rogan as the color commentator and rather see him stay in that spot, but who would want as the play-by-play guy. SSR just answered that.
And yes, Ian Darke would be awesome at MMA.
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Problem would be when Darke does the fights involving British people
Because he’ll have to get used to calling losses over and over and over again.
Fire Gus "What's a screen?" Bradley.
got it snowden
disagree with political correctness but this is the world we live in
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by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 23, 2011 1:20 AM EST up reply actions
ralphie mays bit on the subject is downright hilarious makes light of the situation very nicely
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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 23, 2011 2:00 AM EST up reply actions
Joe ; "joey beltran is SCORING in this round!"
“beltran digging to the body!”
Jonathan maybe you missed something watching it live.
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No, in fact half the staff noticed. The fact that you can pull out random bits of play by play is not really meaningful.
by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 23, 2011 1:20 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
They got with it later in the fight but it’s clear that they weren’t able to quickly make the shift to “this is what is really happening” and continually call the action
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 23, 2011 1:21 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
this
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 23, 2011 1:23 AM EST up reply actions
Just watched the entire fight again after reading this, and completely disagree.
I even paid extra close attention to the “flurry” in question – the one that supposedly shows definitively that Rogan and Goldberg were in the tank for Barry due to their supposed silence – and I just don’t see it (or hear it, for that matter).
If you’re actually trying to make a case those the few seconds of silence were 100% indicative of bias, then you’re a complete moron. There are moments all the time, in every fight, where a brief moment of silence passes – many times due to the two cutting their mics real quick to ask each other something, chat with someone else nearby, get production instructions, etc. etc. etc.. There’s no way to say for absolute certain if that was the case or not, but to automatically grasp at straws to use as ammo for your Rogan/Goldberg hate-launcher just comes across as completely ridiculous.
You might wanna go back and watch the broadcast again. There was PLENTY of praise and acknowledgement for Beltran’s strikes – but keep in mind, many of these “strikes” were thrown from wobbly legs. Which is never going to get the same sort of positive reaction as someone who is throwing those same punches from a dominate, sturdy position, simply because it ends up looking like desperation blows. Was there a little bit of Barry-bias there? Sure, he’s the more attractive story, he’s been more media-friendly than Beltran, etc. But by no stretch of the imagination was this as overblown as this awful post makes it out to be.
by Viewer 3 on Jan 23, 2011 1:25 AM EST up reply actions 19 recs
I agree with this
And I rec it.
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by Charles Awad on Jan 23, 2011 1:27 AM EST up reply actions
What's great about this
Is you’re saying it to the guy who’s been defending both rogan and goldie throughout the comments section. That’s a win for you, buddy.
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by Chris Hall on Jan 23, 2011 1:27 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Actually I wasn’t addressing it to whoever this unnamed person is that you’re talking about; by “this post” I meant this article, and I was just replying to this particular comment because it was in line with the point I was trying to make. Maybe I wasn’t clear enough on that but jeez, you don’t have to be so quick to throw out the “YOU WIN THE INTERNETZZ” nonsense.
the "unnamed person"
would be the comment you replied to.
And i believe it is the interWEBZ
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by Chris Hall on Jan 23, 2011 1:32 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I wouldn’t allow you to call someone else a moron here and I’m damn sure not going to let you say it to me. So tone it down.
by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 23, 2011 1:30 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What if he said you weren’t capable of coherent thought for liking Gruden. :P ya big meany.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 23, 2011 1:32 AM EST up reply actions
your hate for me is palpable
I’ll gladly be in the Rogan, MTB, Gruden club!
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 23, 2011 1:34 AM EST up reply actions
For the record...
his calling you a moron came with conditions. He said…
If you’re actually trying to make a case those the few seconds of silence were 100% indicative of bias, then you’re a complete moron.
He only thinks you’re a moron if you were trying to use those few seconds to draw \conclusions on how they called the entire fight. Since you think he called you a moron… we should conclude that that brief moment was your entire case?
That’s a quality if/then statement.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 23, 2011 2:01 AM EST up reply actions
We’re not playing that game here anymore. The quality of the conversation is going downhill and your style posting is a big part of it. It’s getting nipped.
by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 23, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
Can I half rec a post?
For instance, agree, except for the part where you bring insults into it. Whatever happened to constructive criticism on its own?
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This^
They took forever. That’s why I really think they need a retired fighter in there. A 3rd guy to give a new view or angle on things. I really think Goldy and Rogan have gotten so comfortable doing things on their own that they are in cruise control. It’s terrible. Where are you Randy?!!!
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by xFenixKnightx on Jan 23, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I noticed it too, but I think you went a little far in the story:
In the broadcast booth, Beltran’s offense was met with complete silence. Joe Rogan and Mike Goldberg literally said nothing.
There was a fair amount said by Rogan about Beltran’s offense…it just wasn’t nearly enough to be fair and balanced.
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by Tim Burke on Jan 23, 2011 1:22 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
this too
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 23, 2011 1:23 AM EST up reply actions
Don't get mad man.
I think there were some moments he ignored Beltran’s offense, especially early, but overall he called the fight accurately. Those kicks were crippling and I noticed the impact they had early as well. You make it out like he called it a clean sweep and ignored Joey, that just isn’t the case. IMO.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 23, 2011 1:23 AM EST up reply actions
It did make me laugh
When Goldberg said Pat Barry was one of the best heavyweight athletes in the UFC. His ubiquitous idiocy never cease to amaze me, the guy is an embarassment
by LtfcPete on Jan 23, 2011 1:20 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
Er .. I'll bite.
How is that not accurate?
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Because I could name a bunch of guys who would seem to be better "athletes"
but maybe I’d be wrong. Barry’s thighs are serious business/fucking gangster. Athletically though Lesnar, Schaub, Mitrione, JDS, Cain, Carwin and Nelson would all rank higher.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 23, 2011 8:31 AM EST up reply actions
Mitrione is arguable.
So top ten isn’t among the best heavyweight athletes? Top seven, or top six? Carwin is arguable too, honestly, and not just because he gassed in the Lesnar fight.
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Carwin was an all american in football and a college wrestling champ.
Meat is a former NFL player whose athleticism is the main reason why he is able to succeed at this level so early in the game. 4-0 in the UFC, and career. But there is a point in what you say anyway. I remember debating with someone very recently over Mark Hominick being a top MMA striker and while both opinions disagreed on where in the top 20 or so strikers he would rank in, we both felt he was there. At which point I asked isn’t being in the 20 best strikers in a sport with thousands of fighters and several hundred between Strikeforce and the UFC not worthy of being a top guy?
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 23, 2011 9:11 AM EST up reply actions
It really doesn't matter what people used to be.
Meat shows a lot of fat these days. Or rather, it’s off and on. Pat Barry most certainly is top seven going by your list, and at least top six and possibly top five from mine. To me, that’s one of the top athletes.
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Meat's appearance has nothing to do with how much of an athlete he is
I imagine he looked like that while playing to.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 23, 2011 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
Right, but he wasn't a great athlete by the NFL's standards.
It’s just arguable, like I said.
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No he wasn’t great by NFL standards, but being awful by NFL standards means elite when graded against the rest of the male population. There is kind of a reason a practice squad guy like Lesnar(I just know some Lesnerd is gonna have to weigh in on this) Meat or Schaub can waltz into MMA and run some shit at the UFC level.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 23, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
The worst thing Goldberg does
Is assume that “recovery” is the same as in a video game, where if you get knocked down and turtle up the assumption is “he’s recovered”.
I watched Bonnar/K-Sos II tonight and after K-Sos got decked with a knee he turtled up and ate punches but wasn’t out. Goldie says “has he recovered?” seconds before the fight is stopped.
He’s so clueless.
Fire Gus "What's a screen?" Bradley.
Goldberg seemed off all night. He stumbled though the opening monologue about the Fund and the Troops, he mispronounced fighter names (like Jabouin), and he seemed very unfocused at times.
Maybe it was the feet warmers.
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by Tim Burke on Jan 23, 2011 1:28 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
The botox in his forehead may be seeping into his frontal lobe
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by Charles Awad on Jan 23, 2011 1:29 AM EST up reply actions
He also trailed off completely after making an ambiguous comment about Yves
Said “He’s looking for his eighth straight”, and then just stopped talking.
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by Charles Awad on Jan 23, 2011 1:29 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Goldberg seemed off all night.
Isn’t that every card?
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by 49er16 on Jan 23, 2011 1:30 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
So basically a typical night for him
It must be the new goatee he’s sporting.
Fire Gus "What's a screen?" Bradley.
by SSreporters on Jan 23, 2011 1:31 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I did notice he did not say "30 seconds remains" like he normally (and incorrectly) does
But “30 seconds remain”.
Must have been told by an English teacher.
Fire Gus "What's a screen?" Bradley.
Personally, I don’t like Rogan much. He is definitely knowledgeable in the sport and can provide some good play-by-play, but I don’t like his relations to everything Eddie Bravo. Also, I don’t like hearing about how he has rolled with any accomplished grappler. Name dropping is no fun. But, Rogan does well, and Goldberg does tend to rape one’s ears with product placement at horrific times.
Think about it, though. We could always have Mike Kogan, Frank Trigg, and Frank Shamrock. Count your blessings.
by mountaineers101 on Jan 23, 2011 1:38 AM EST via mobile reply actions
don't even talk like that
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 23, 2011 1:38 AM EST up reply actions
Mike Kogan and Frank Trigg are exactly like old men. Bald, bitter, and painful to listen to.
by mountaineers101 on Jan 23, 2011 1:41 AM EST via mobile reply actions
No. No. No.
Mike Goldberg, charity or not, was the worst he’s EVER been. To the point that he actively was turning me off the show as a whole.
Every three seconds it felt like, often in the middle of exchanges or important moments, he’d shill. CONSTANTLY. Unending shilling. He was bludgeoning the viewer over the head with his monotone voice in a constant blitzkrieg attack. At one point I started screaming at my TV for him to shut up. I don’t ever remember doing that before.
I don’t give a flying crap what the purpose is. Who the benefit is for. Or what the intent is. I am not blind. They had that damn number on the entire show. And if I somehow missed that, the pacing of the show was like a turtle’s stride due to the constant references, videos, and talking heads. I don’t need Goldberg chastising or shilling every few seconds on top of that.
And on Rogan, he’s really getting on my nerves lately. I get that he’s a “Fan of the Sport” just like me, but every show now he feels the need to go after judges or refereeing. Like it’s his own personal quest. But in the main event, when Melvin threw a clearly illegal knee Rogan just brushed it off in a “Well, oh well” tone. The same Rogan who when a fight got stood up during an ineffectual kimura attempt nearly lost his mind in anger. Atleast be a little consistent in your hatred for those involved.
Yeah, Dunham was done at that point, it was just a matter of the means. It obviously wasn’t intentional.
I think it shows us something about Melvin unfortunately.
How does someone with 60 fights and no extensive Pride career throw illegal knees like that?
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 23, 2011 1:58 AM EST up reply actions
I think he committed to it just as Dunham was about to fall, and couldn’t really stop. I’m not sure that he was trying to intentionally fight dirty.
That is my point
I don’t think he was either, but how can you make those kinds of errors with that many fights? I’ve watched the fight once but it looked like he almost lost himself the fight because the knee right before the illegal one that was a hair away from being illegal itself. Dunham was “playing the game” as it were, and actually went to block a knee thrown while he was in the three point stance, and that is the only reason he didn’t land two illegal knees.
But the NC on Melvin’s record is there because of greasing, so he has a history of cheating.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 23, 2011 2:09 AM EST up reply actions
Oh, I thought you were arguing that he was intentionally throwing illegal knees.
And personally I think that the three point stance thing is complete crap, that rule needs to change to either both palms, a knee, something like that, because how much damage, or how risky a knee could be doesn’t change when you have one freaking finger touching the floor.
That being said, I’m not saying to break the rules. The rules are the rules, and you have to listen to them.
highfive
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 23, 2011 2:13 AM EST up reply actions
Nice. Haven't gotten a high five on BE before, I feel like I'm now officially in, and not part of Sherdog anymore.
jokes on you
haven’t washed my hands in weeks and the very mention of what I do with them is probably bannable. A regimen of preventative antibiotics is in your best interest.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 23, 2011 2:16 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Is this initiation?
Cause that’s the worst. I hate it when people do.. that.. and high five me. I’m already on antibiotics from people doing that to me on Sherdog. I need to learn not to go for high fives when I’m new on sites.
Using sherdog means you need anti-viral medication bro
outbreaks for life. Labeled forever. Dirty.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 23, 2011 2:20 AM EST up reply actions
We all have to start somewhere.
But I realize that it was a horrible somewhere, and I will wear that label until I can hopefully get a better one. And I definitely don’t have those meds. That sounds like some new age hipster crap.
If you like cold sores where the sun don't shine...
I used sherdog at one point too. It burns when I pee.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 23, 2011 2:22 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'll take a no on the cold sores, that sounds horrific.
And that definitely was a laugh out loud post. But I am proud to say that I’ve gone over three months without posting on Sherdog.
I agree on the rules
but they are what they are.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 23, 2011 2:13 AM EST up reply actions
It’d be a real hard rule to change though. How would you really change the wording? To two hands? Because then people could just put two fingers down, and that wouldn’t change much. Actually, it could leave you open to punches, and when you block those, you’d be legally able to be kneed.. I like this idea.
Uh there is a terrible sentence in there
I’ve only watched it once, but it looked like he nearly landed an illegal knee before the last one, as Dunham was playing the game and went to block a knee thrown while he was in the three point stance. That’s less ridiculous
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 23, 2011 2:12 AM EST up reply actions
It wasn’t an illegal knee. Mentioning it was more than enough. Evan’s second knee was in the process of going down, and it was pretty much a tie with the impact. There is plenty to criticize without swinging and missing like you just did.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Jan 23, 2011 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
Honestly, the best announcer I have heard in a long time was that guy at Washington Combat and the UWC shows.
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You ever have sex with Luke Thomas?
Now he claimin’ that I bruised his esophagus….
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at one point did Goldie say something about a
Sniper and a Zombie? Cause I heard something like that and was like whhhaaaaaaattt?!?!
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They were quoting Barry's comments
He said something like that to MMA fighting.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 23, 2011 2:10 AM EST up reply actions
I disagree with the temerity of this entire article
Nothing against Snowden as a writer, but I think the premise of this entire article is way off base. Both fighters didn’t collapse at the end of the fight. There was plenty of indication from Rogan that Beltran landed some good shots. I think the case that the fight was “closely contested” is false. The only truth I really saw in this article happened at the end talking about rogan carrying Goldberg…that is absolute truth.
Barry won the fight decisively i thought.
um no!!!!!!!!
because you can point out specific examples that completely disprove the premise of this article doesn’t say much…or so I am told.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 23, 2011 2:19 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
One would almost think you had rehearsed UFC bashing before the even even took place.
by Dooda on Jan 23, 2011 2:20 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Not to mention Rogan basically said it’s ok to throw illegal strikes as long as your opponent is rocked. That threw me a bit when I heard that.
Meh
I don’t think that is what he was saying. I don’t know why people are up in arms over the knee. It’s not like it was done over and over intentionally or due to sloppiness. It was a glancing knee he was in the process of throwing as his opponent went down. Dunham was pretty much done, should they deduct a point after the fight? If that had happened in the middle of the fight as a single occurence, they would have warmed him at the least or deducted a point at the worst. Unless you were in the ring, you don’t know that he wasn’t warned far the fact. Deducting a point at that point was irrelevant.
I didn’t say anything about point deductions here. The fight was over pure and simple but the way Rogan basically said “Well he was basically out anyway why not throw that illegal strike?” was a little odd.
by AwkwardBoner on Jan 23, 2011 4:43 AM EST up reply actions
While it's hard to defend Rogan for his biases sometimes...
I don’t see how you can claim any team involving Mauro Renallo is better. I remember cringing last year when he was talking about whether Roger Gracie would be as effective without his gi (when everyone and their dog knows Roger is a god in Abu Dhabi which is all no-gi…) and then went on to claim Joey Villasenor could “steal” the fight away from Jacare when he was quite blatantly two rounds in the hole. Rogan is biased for sure but at least he knows what he’s talking about. Goldberg is like elevator music now – he’s just sort of, there – but Mauro is atrocious. Strike Force could do the world of good by just using Quadros and Miletich, actually.
Comparing Mauro with Rogan makes no sense. They don’t serve the same purpose in the booth. Mauro’s position is comparable to Goldberg’s, except that Mauro has, in this case, been a little more apt to actually address the action in the cage than Goldberg.
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by Rainer Lee on Jan 23, 2011 4:50 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Pretty good post Snowden.
I would like to see Goldie as a backstage or ringside interviewer as well as product pitch guy while Joe Rogan takes over the action and a good UFC veteran for analysis would be Randy Couture or Jens Pulver or someone who hasn’t done much commentating like Matt Serra maybe.
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by ADAMantium on Jan 23, 2011 3:48 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Matt Serra or Little Evil?
They’re both fighters I respect a lot, but are you trying to set MMA back ten years?
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 23, 2011 8:40 AM EST up reply actions
IT's funny how this is 300 comments already and most of them against the article
and Snowden has some legit gripes, yet MDS calls Miletich a “shill” (aka doing his job) and no one bats an eye.
Goldberg was terrible tonight. There was a point where he said something about the UFC HW division being so talented where i wanted to smack him.
Rogan’s clear favoritism gets QUITE annoying. There are certain fighters you almost have to mute. Seems like Pat Barry might be one of them.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 23, 2011 3:56 AM EST reply actions 5 recs
Barry, Shogun, and Parisyan for sure, though I guess the latter is pretty much a non-issue at this point.
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by Rainer Lee on Jan 23, 2011 4:47 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
IT’s funny how this is 300 comments already and most of them against the article
It looks pretty split actually.
by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 23, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah MDS calls Pat a shill and nobody goes after Pat being a shill, this site its about how MDS is a Zuffa employee and all that, doesnt dig into the legit gripes MDS had its just oh he attacked SF so he is a Zuffa zombie and that, and they say well yeah ok but UFC announcers do this, but when UFC does something you dont see yeah well SF announcers do this, you just see Snowden doing articles like this.
Where were the SNowden SF showing holes in their game with last show? Oh thats right, cause Snowden came out and did the articles about how SF team is the best in the business, so of course he couldnt come out and do a neg piece on SF announcers, its embarrassing really.
And your right, most of the responses are against the piece.
How about do a poll who has the better announce team.
Rec'd
This has been nagging at the back of my mind all night, Mr. Snowden, and I’m relieved that someone has brought it up. I was definitely a fan of Barry heading into tonight, expected him to win, and even had a little money on him, but after all was said and done, I thought he might have given away those first two rounds, and was shocked by Rogan’s blatant disregard for Beltran’s appreciable efforts.
Really, I think that Goldberg and Rogan have (had?) a lot of potential as a broadcast team. There was a time a couple years back when I thought they were doing a very good job, but they’ve just gotten so sloppy lately. I don’t know if they’re over worked, or just getting lazy, or what, but I think they need to take a step back and review their work—just like Rogan expects the referees and judges to do.
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by Rainer Lee on Jan 23, 2011 4:47 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Just watched the fight there. I didn’t hear any noticable bias for Barry.
p.s. How much weight has Yamasaki lost!
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by The Omaplatapus on Jan 23, 2011 5:27 AM EST reply actions
For UFC PPVs I suggest ordering it en espanol – you get to hear all the live audio (crowd reaction, walkout music, corners’ instructions…) without suffering through the biased, pandering, lopsided commentary (unless you speak Spanish, of course).
As for non-UFC commentators, a couple of boxing guys, Col. Bob Sheridan and Al Bernstein have done good work in MMA , albeit too briefly… I also agree with others that Pat Militech and Michael Shiavello do a very nice job and, I think, they’d probably make a very balanced, knowledgeable and strong MMA commentating duo.
yeah Rogan did hold out on some love for Beltran's punches
but to say it’s a structural thing with him is BS. Rogan is absolutely by far my favorite MMA analyst, and Goldberg is his perfect cheesy counterpart. Don’t fix what is not broken and give them a break.
Militech is ok too, but Trigg mumbles too much and Schiavello is a little too over the top for me.
..!..
Rogan>any other commentator (except bas)
If you disagree you are wrong
I love this idea Snowden
I’m very sick of Goldie ignoring the action and basically just being a pitchman. I know some of this is necessary so it would be nice to see Goldberg or someone else doing seperate promos that are shown in between rounds.
Let Rogan do pbp and give him a solid color partner, Couture or another retired fighter or trainer, and let them really concentrate on calling the action accurately i stead of just looking for openings to schill.
by Anton Chigurh on Jan 23, 2011 8:23 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
get rid of goldberg
Please! Rogan is good, but it is obvious he needs someone with SOME kind of knowledge about MMA in there with him to keep him in check and on track. Goldberg has no clue, and Snowden is right that he is not even keeping up with the action anymore.
Adding a 3rd may help some, but replacing Goldberg would be better.
I really like Rogan, but am starting to get annoyed with him. This would not happen if Goldie would or rather, could give him some support
by tkired on Jan 23, 2011 8:23 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Was Rogan a biased towards Berry’s stand-up? Yes.
Was it “an extremely close, evenly contested fight”? Absolutely not.
Both Rogan and Goldberg commented on the ‘box a brawler and brawl a boxer’ mentality that Beltran had, and both gave credit and acknowledge Beltran’s offensive attempts, but there wasn’t much to praise as far as that goes.
This article is complete crap..
Theres nothing else to say really, as im typing this im watching the Barry Beltran fight again and Rogan’s commentary is not biased what so ever and both himself and Goldberg on a few occasions complemented Beltran on his toughness and when he landed a good flurry of punches or the odd kick Rogan infact was commentating on it. Snowden once again has got it wrong. Be quiet and enjoy the fights, its a lot better having Rogan and Goldberg than listening to an Aussie shout GOOD NIGHT IRENE & THE BIG KABOSH every single god damn fight!
"Rogan’s commentary is not biased what so ever"
This is simply not true. A very large portion of what Rogan said during the fight was complementing Pat Barry. "The story of the fight is Pat Barry’s kickboxing" was the icing on the cake. He said little to nothing about Beltran landing combos on Barry’s unprotected head.
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by Damon O. on Jan 23, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ok but the story of the fight
WAS actually Barry’s kickboxing so why is that biased commentary. Barry destroyed Beltran with Leg kicks and landed numerous head kicks and his hands looked good. So Joe Rogan stating what actually was going on is a bad thing?? Everyone watching the fight was thinking the same thing, Barry was going to win because his Kickboxing was far superior. this kind of stuff really annoys me why do fans have to nit pick about everything. Enjoy the fights thats what its all about its about two guys in a cage competing, not about how some people may believe Joe Roagn and Mike Goldberg are bad commentators. if they were so bad the UFC would have replaced them by now. they are there for a reason, they are the best.
by MooreUNITED on Jan 23, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
Negative
His poor kickboxing was the real story of the fight. Joe’s swooning over missed head kicks painted a picture of Pat putting a kickboxing clinic against Beltran, which was far from the what went down. Yes, Pat did land some nasty leg kicks and a few head kicks but that’s all. He had no significant combos and when he wasn’t trying to swat punches away like CroCop he was blocking them with his face. We don’t need to enjoy every fight, because every fight isn’t enjoyable. And lastly,
if they were so bad the UFC would have replaced them by now. they are there for a reason, they are the best.
You’re way off the mark with this statement.
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by Damon O. on Jan 23, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Ok genius..
So his Kickboxing was poor. What are you talking about, you do realise Pat Barry won the fight…?? he completely decimated Beltrans leg and nearly Ko’d him on a number of occasions with headkicks. Whats Rogan going to say, OH WOW Barry just landed another devastatingly Terribly executed leg kick that nearly just finished this fight. I cant believe these leg kicks Barry is landing, they are awful hes not even hurting Beltran, His Kickboxing is so Mediocre. Barry clearly won the fight and was never is danger of losing at any stage. And if you don’t enjoy watching these fights because you don’t find them all enjoyable don’t watch them then, change the channel and don’t listen to the so called biased commentary and then you won’t have to come on here and talk crap!
Chill buddy
Did he murder Beltran’s lead leg? Yes, he did. But he was not showing off the divisions most amazing kickboxing. Don’t get me wrong, Barry is incredibly talented but he’s also very tentative. Throwing 1 strike at a time is not a good representation of his Kickboxing pedigree and it’s certainly not K-1 level striking like Rogan called it last night. Also, it would behoove you to calm down a bit when you respond to people on here. No need to get heated over discussion.
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The problem with Rogan
is that, like Goldberg (who is basically an ad bot), he has these prepackaged narratives for every fight. So when a “world class kickboxer” fights a “brawler”, and the brawler actually wins some exchanges, the truth Rogan gleans from that is not that the brawler is simply more effective, but that it’s only a matter of time before the man with the superior technique counters properly. Rogan is trying to sell the audience on effective technique, so when Beltran actually starts beating Barry standing, then something must be wrong with what Barry is not doing rather than what Beltran is doing: it’s harder to quantify a negative hence what begins to sound like just straight shilling.
It’s not just Rogan. It’s a problem with all commentary. MMA announcers are so used to broad descriptions (wrestler, striker, etc), commentary becomes less nuanced. As for Goldberg, he’s actually devolving into a literal soundboard of advertisement and exclamations. His body literally does not need to be there.
Anyway, I didn’t think this fight in particular was worth the criticism. As said above, Rogan was at his worst in the Machida/Rua fight, but it gets lost in the criticism of the decision and Machida appearing human at the time.
by David Castillo on Jan 23, 2011 8:56 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
Also
I didn’t think Beltran was especially sloppy. He’s no Marco Barrera, but he did a good job of closing the distance with flurries when Barry seemed intent in kicking more than punching early on. And he throws competent short punches. Just saying.
by David Castillo on Jan 23, 2011 8:58 AM EST up reply actions
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by Damon O. on Jan 23, 2011 9:45 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
The fight professor, Joe, Bas
And Andrés Cantor! Goaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaal!
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 23, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
That Thai commentator is otherworldly.
He needs a separate feed that you can switch to midfight to listen to his badass ramblings for no fucking reason.
u cannot be more bias in commentary than frank mir
by Rampage01 on Jan 23, 2011 10:19 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Totally agree with the article.
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by Ephemeral Artery on Jan 23, 2011 10:49 AM EST reply actions
Keep in mind the tech difficulties
You’re in an ‘arena’ that’s likely not well-suited to a live combat sports broadcast, you have to watch almost comedically tragic videos of soldiers with major brain injuries right before you have to celebrate dudes punching each other in the head. It wasn’t just Rogan and Goldy, Bruce Buffer and the broadcast crew in general seemed a bit off.
by Trust Doesn't Rust on Jan 23, 2011 11:02 AM EST reply actions
I agree on the commentating being bad(Goldie).
Just wasn’t feeling it last night. At one point I yelled at my TV “Shut the fuck up” when Goldie was shilling something. It wasn’t about the troops. Goldie was also cutting off Rogan at certain points. I have no problems with Goldie being replaced. I used to be alright with him but last night he turned into Mauro for me.
As for the bias in the fight I didn’t see it too much of it. I thought most of Beltran’s offense was lackluster. Nothing was behind it. I definitely saw the beginning stages of Beltran’s leg faltering just like Rogan. I think it was easy to miss for some people that weren’t looking for it. But it was there. You could see a grimace here or a slightly different way he would put it back down after being kicked.
Then dont listen to SF team if you dont want to hear shilling.
Atleast Rogan acknowledges outside fighters, he mentions Aoki and other top fighters, go listen to Pat M on the last SF, his bias against the UFC he flat out pretends they dont exist, he will have you believe that Tyron woodley is a top WW and is the best athlete in teh world, pretending UFC doesnt exist. Atleast ROgan will say striking in mm a isnt as good as K 1 or boxing and that guys like Reem and Aoki and others are great fighters etc.
Mauro name drops UFC fighters like he's on an audition for the UFC.
by Papercut Elbow on Jan 23, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
Mauro, not Pat M.
Pat pretends the UFC doesnt exist cause of his personal bias against UFC.
I dont like that, I dont care w hat your feelings are, dont treat me like a fool, dont sit their and say a SF WW is the best or this guy is the best athlete when its bullshit, I get you work for a company, and maybe thats why when the uFC guys at times do it it slips by me cause if Roan says GSP is the best WW in the world thats the truth, if Pat says Tyron is gonna be the best WW or is the best WW athlete or DIaz is the best WW its not the truth so you notice that,
I'm not a fan of it period.
It obviously has to be done. I just wish there was a better way to go about it. I have no problem with Joe. Goldberg has just been wearing thin on my patience. I keep expecting him to get better, well year after year I should have given up on that expectation.
Schiavello
Schiavello is the best. He will talk madness on a fighter DURING the fight if they arent living up to the spectacle..
Mike Goldberg said at the beginning of the show
UFC is the fastest growing sport
.
Not MMA. I mean, WTF, man?!!!!
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
You're surprised that a company man would promote his company?
The best thing the UFC has done for themselves is having the sport branded as “ultimate fighting” in the mind of the unwashed masses.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jan 23, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
So what are you saying? That it's ok?
It’s fucking lame man. And it’s fucking lame that I know everything Goldie is going to say and when he’s going to say it. He is a robot. He says the same tired ole bullshit in every single broadcast. He needs to take his ass to WWE. That’s why we will never have memorable quotes from him like down goes Frazier or anything like that. We get, And it is Alllllll over. and here we go. Virtually identical. Does he even study other guys like Lampley? Now of corse bang bang Lampley isn’t perfect but he is One Billion times better.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Jan 23, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
I don't like it either.
It’s just weird that you seem so surprised by it, considering how long you’ve been a fan. The UFC is a business, and the number one goal of any business is to protect their interests. For the UFC, it’s securing their hold on the top of the sport.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jan 23, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
Godly has been getting worse and worse and worse.
Watch his early stuff. Really really early stuff. He was actually decent. But then he got comfortable. It’s like he doesn’t even try. He’s so used to all the casuals telling him oh man you rock! Lol I really wish they would add Randy back and mix things up. Give a new view, angle or opinion on the ongoing action.
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by xFenixKnightx on Jan 23, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Man, exactly.
He used to actually be pretty decent, even as recently as a couple years ago. It’s a shame things have deteriorated so much.
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I hated Goldberg...
but have gotten used to him, the show needs him sadly. Joe Rogan might not always be the most fair and balanced commentor, he shows favoritism to fighters from time to time, but he is just a fan like us, and just like a fan, they can have slanted viewpoints.
It would be nice to have a retired fighter give his/her oppinions from time to time in the booth but the thing is, 2 is a couple and three is a crowd.
i used to think the same thing about goldy “love him or hate him, the UFC needs him”. but over the past few months iv really seen how Rogan is the only person the UFC ‘needs’ in there. goldys timing and common sense seems to have up and left him. I agree that the ufc should keep him on as a backstage presence or the mike rowe-esque guy who does voice overs for every bit of advertising the ufc does. But as the the fans evolve and become more aware of whats going on in the ring,so too does the commentating and I dont think Goldie is making that transition.
bring in some guest speakers and have one other stable guy in there like Mauro. (this might sound dumb but I always though Helwani would take over nicely for Goldy, guys got a personality and knows his shit)
"its either going to be genius or its going to f***ing suck. Until I see the first cut I have no idea. But you know what? Neither does anybody else"
Rory 'The Waterboy' Macdonald
Thiago 'Pitbull' Alves
Yushin 'Thunder' Okami
Mauricio 'Shogun' Rua
Dominick Cruz
the thing is...
when you see Goldie being himself, like at the weigh’ins and fan Q and A stuff, he really seems a lot cooler dude. I think part of the problem is that they should allow Goldie to step outside of his role as just the pitch man and let him loosen up a bit. He really does have more knowledge of the sport than he leads on.
Maybe its me but I dont think it was bad at all, yes I think they focused more on Barry but I think thats cause he was winning the fight, I think Barry won the fight, I think they focused on Beltran when needed, yes Barry was more of the call but he was winning the fight imo, and they didnt ignore Beltran, they called it like they saw it.
I just want to know again, when mmafighting did a hit piece o n the SF announce team for the last broadcast and called out Pat M this site and people came out to defend SF and say well what about UFC, even though the piece wasnt about broadcasting as a whole it was one specific card, but this site does pieces and says oh what about UFC and mmafighting is Zuffa site and the writer is a Zuffa guy blah blah blah.
But when a piece comes out on UFC broadcast team you dont see oh well what about SF, what about this.
I mean its expected from Snowden, he’ll do a piece about mmafighting being zuffa employeed, he wont address the issues he will go after the piece, but when UFC does it he comes out and attacks them. If that doesnt show who he is then what will?
He does pieces about how SF team is the best, they could do the worst event in history and he would praise them. Thats why I cant take him serious or anything he writes, me I have my personal preferences, but when I come to a site and read articles I want the writer to not have bias, to be fair and balanced with everything, and you dont get that from Snowden.
Speaking for myself, I think Strikeforce has a lot of things to work on, including their broadcast team. I think what I objected to wasn’t that someone would criticize the SF team, but the way in which Miletich was criticized, particularly. I thought it was a little disrespectful and not especially on point.
Generally, I also understand holding the UFC to a higher standard than any other promotion. They themselves encourage as much when they say that they’re the best and biggest organization in the world. However, I don’t think SF should be given a free pass, either. It’s one thing to treat them as a still-developing promotion, and another to treat them like the “special” kid in class.
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- welterweight contender Josh Koscheck
And thats the thing, after that last SF show which had bad commentary from Pat M you didnt see a SNowden piece on a piece on this site about the SF team shows holes in their game, no you saw a piece attacking another site for attacking SF, never mentioning the actual complaints the mmafighting piece had, which were fair complaints. But you see it for the UFC though, not that I’m surprised.
This is your seventh post with the same basic idea. Get some new material.
by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 23, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
Its the truth though, look Jon I get why you do it, I mean I dont know you personally but your clearly anti Zuffa, its just common knowledge. Either your really this anti Zuffa and pro SF or you act this way cause you know these kinds of articles will bring you the most hits, and look on the front page of this site and tell me which article has the most comments, its this article, and why? Cause its a neg UFC article so thats gonna bring the pro SF, anti Zuffa fans to agree with you, the balanced mma fan who isnt bias and either thinks what you say is true or not true and then the Zuffa fan who will speak his piece, so your getting all of them and thats what you want, you want comments, views.
I would just like to read balanced shit, I get your ride SF so after the last SF event MDS article had truth to it but you would never do a piece like that against SF cause your the one calling them the best broadcast team which is laughable, I just think doing things like this for both orgs would give you more credibility, which you have none cause everything you do is a hit piece towards the UFC and pro SF. Even if your more SF fan then UFC being fair and balanced towards each org and pointing out the pluses and negs for each org would give you more credibility.
Anyway to be honest the only writer on this site that I think is good that actually does good work is Leland and his prospect pieces, no bias, no bullshit.
Its just funny the UFC does this great event for a great cause, tehy could have just wrote a check, instead they do all this for the troops and fans to raise money and that goes overlooked, instead its lets do Zuffa hit pieces and talk about the commentating.
20 bucks says on Sat when SF announcers try to pass Cyborg off as this great WW and shit we wont see anything neg from Snowden after the event, It will be all praises. Shit Mauro could fuck up everyones name, Pat could say Cyborg is better then GSP, make mistakes, the event could black out for half a title fight, and it would still be how SF is making great events, matchmaking and is the best org in mma. Laughable.
You say get new material? How about you get some new material instead of pro SF, anti Zuffa pieces?
Favoritism
Best example of Rogan’s favoritism? Watch GSP-Karo Parysian. By the start of the second round, it’s almost hilarious how lopsided and desperately hopeful Rogan’s commentating is. It betrays some wishful thinking. Parysian, established judoka and big favorite (clearly of Rogan’s) was getting handled and demolished by newcomer Georges St. Pierre, and you heard maybe 3 rather disappointed-sounding sentences about his performance over 3 rounds. It was alllll about Parysian, how amazing he was (as we’re seeing him onscreen getting smashed) and how he was going to pull off this deadly submission or that.
Worth a rewatch. Funny as hell, especially considering who GSP would be, and who Karo would be in 5 years.
I like Rogan’s commentating. He’s human, after all, has his focus points, has his favorite methods and styles. I believe they’d benefit enormously from bringing on a fighter though. Couture was excellent, I also liked Florian, and used to like Mir.
A lot of comments...
…I’ll read through them in a bit here but on first blush I agree with you. Goldberg is not a great play by play guy by any stretch and Rogan, while very good at identifying and describing the action on the ground, clearly does not have the knowledge to describe high level hand striking.
The other hand is that they have great chemistry together and the casual fans love them. Add to the fact that Rogan is a cool guy with great depth to his personality and it really has the UFC in a bit of a spot when it comes to this.
I think at this point the fights are so technical that you really need a team of three calling them. Someone who knows kickboxing, someone who knows the ground and someone who can tie it all together. Rogan is perfect as a ground expert and tie it together man. Goldberg needs to go. I can’t think of anyone else to bring in at this moment. Tough issue.
This is it. I think adding a fighter, even a rotating cast of them, from Florian, Bonnar, Couture, etc. would add a lot and tone Joe down. Goldie could just do what he does, which is just host the show.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jan 23, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
I’d like to see Matt fight Kongo. I think he can beat him, and Gonzaga as well.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jan 23, 2011 5:18 PM EST reply actions
They call for TV
Not for radio. True play-by-play announcers are indeed a rare breed these days. But though Beltran did land a lot of combos, Barry seemed to walk right through them, at the end acting as if they weren’t even happening. I can see your point that they aren’t mentioned more than a couple of moments in the second and third round, but ironically, I read your commentary before watching the fight, and felt that you were equally unbalanced in your criticism.
I got nothing of substance to add to the discussion but I do want to thank you for winning me $10. After seeing that MDS article criticizing Pat after the last Strikeforce show and seeing the comments here on BE about it I bet my buddy that after the next UFC event there was definitely going to be an article on BE criticizing the UFC’s announce team.
Just BE.
by mattman73 on Jan 23, 2011 5:47 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Goldbergs like a cartoon character
I like When there’s a lull in the action Goldie has to say one of his patented lines like he’s a ventriloquist dummy with a bad Minnesota accent
“these guys have a lot of respect for each other JOE”
“punches n bunches”
Hilarious
None of the crews are particularly good IMO, but the UFC’s is terrible. I don’t care what anyone says. The worst call of all time was Fitch/GSP – Rogan called the standup like Fitch was lighting up GSP and it was complete domination by Georges. There were points where he didn’t even bother to remark on combinations and jabs being landed, and all I can think is that they tried to make the fight look more competitive than the squash it was. Laughable stuff. If you don’t believe me, go sit through that again, particularly around rounds 2 and 3 when Fitch is being torn to shreds. You’d think GSP was in serious trouble and nearly getting stopped.
Goldberg is clearly worse than Gus, who at least would try on occasion to call the events in the ring (though he generally came across as a third wheel to Ranallo, who instinctively took lead). Goldberg hasn’t tried to call the action in the ring with any professionalism in years. Maybe ever, now that I think about it. Whomever said above that a soundboard could do as good a job isn’t kidding.

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