UFC Fight for the Troops 2 Results: Melvin Guillard Blitzes Evan Dunham
by Nate Wilcox on Jan 23, 2011 1:19 AM EST
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Melvin Guillard established himself as a top contender in the UFC's stacked lightweight division by finishing Evan Dunham in the first round at UFC Fight for the Troops 2.
Dunham landed with a leg kick early but Guillard landed a hard right hand that drove Dunham to shoot for a single leg. While Dunham was down, Guillard landed some hard hammer fists before Dunham elevated his leg and took him down. Guillard tried to cage walk back to his feet for a while before succeeding. Back on the feet Guillard immediately hurt Dunham with a string of uppercuts. Then a 1-2 dropped Dunham. But the gritty Dunham shot in again, only to eat more right hands to the skull. Then a series of knees from the Thai plum finished Dunham.
Two lightweights on the contender track, Guillard and Dunham both had clear tracks to the title coming into the fight. Despite losing a deeply questionable decision to Sean Sherk at UFC 119, most viewed Dunham as undefeated in the UFC. Guillard went 3-0 in the UFC in 2010.
UFC Fight for the Troops 2 Awards - $30,000 each:
Fight of the Night - Yves Edwards vs. Cody McKenzie
Knockout of the Night - Melvin Guillard
Submission of the Night - Yves Edwards
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Give Melvin his shot!
This kid’s not kidding! He deserves to be on top. Evan Dunham is still a huge contender @ 155.
by itsmiguel on Jan 22, 2011 11:46 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Melvin really did look like a top ten UFC Lightweight in his win over Dunham. He got taken down, but didn’t freak out and got back to his feet, and his hand speed is fast. He was very accurate as well, and his footwork is good too. Guillard finally past the hurdle and really is a top UFC Lightweight now.
I won't jump off the bandwagon just because you lost.
by chrisbboy82 on Jan 23, 2011 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
He's definitely top 10 in the UFC
He might be in the world.
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by Neil Manich on Jan 23, 2011 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
Edgar and Maynard's Takedowns > Evan Dunahm's Takedowns
I think he deserves to be in the conversation, so maybe he should fight the loser of the rematch
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So what happens when your favorite fighter of all time scores a big win over a tough guy like Evan Dunham?
You celebrate like a mofo!!! Peace!
"I guess I'm 13-Maynard, and Maynard..."- Frankie Edgar
What a beautiful combo!
Evan never saw that punch coming!
by itsmiguel on Jan 22, 2011 11:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Question for someone more knowledgeable about striking
Guillard leaps off his back foot into that jab-straight combo (I thought that was not the ideal way) and doesn’t really seem to turn his hips into the right as much as he could. Am I just nitpicking?
I love me some Guillard—-I mean he threw that jab with bad intentions, just wondering.
Not afraid to nitpick
No, you’re right. he didn;t wait for his left foot to plant as he jabbed, so that’s why he couldn’t rotate into the right(but he still managed to get enough to put some pop into it). Throwing a jab like that is dangerous because of the momentum behind it and the fact that he had no way to stop or redirect if a counter is coming, so he could jump right into a fist and do nothing about it… but in this instance it worked out perfectly since dunham respected the jab and attempted to cover up instead of looking to slip and counter (I think mostly due to Guillard’s speed)
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Gotta love Guillard, it's taken a while to get to this point but he is in title discussion now
I think he needs one or two more big wins though before he gets a chance… Too bad the UFC already put Pettis against Guida because Showtime Vs The Young Assassin might be a really good fight or a rude awakening for Pettis.
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I agree. He needs to win at least 1 more, based on calendar alone.
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I’d like to see him against Jim Miller next. Winner of that would be very close to a title shot after Gray, G-Sot and Pettis.
That's an even better Idea since Miller is more deserving of a shot than Pettis IMO
I think Miller would be smart to go for a sub in that fight rather than trying to stand
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by Chris Hines on Jan 22, 2011 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
Awesome!! I have long been a Melvin fan.
People laughed at me when I called for Melvin to fight the loser of Edgar / Penn 2, but either guy would make for an awesome fight now.
Beast!!
I could see giving Guillard the loser of the Frankie/Maynard rematch
There is starting to be a log jam at 155 with Gray, Guillard, Sot and Pettis (Guida maybe if he beats Pettis) I’m not sure who you give to the winner of Maynard/Frankie, I know they say it will be Pettis if he beats Guida but I think Guillard, G-sot and maybe even Miller deserve it more.
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by Chris Hines on Jan 22, 2011 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
So, Guillard certainly deserves it and Miller only maybe does? Miller is still quite a bit in front of Guillard in the division. He is on a four fight streak that includes a guy out of the UFC, a guy barely in the UFC, and a split decision against a mid-level Stephens. Adding Dunham, a guy who himself hasn’t faced the stiffest competition to earn his ranking, does not a top-5 fighter make.
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With the logjam that exists in the LW division
It makes more sense to match up your contender prospects to narrow down the field whereas in HW, for instance, it is in the UFC interest to make sure prospects don’t bump each other off (see Cain and JDS never fighting before title shots)
So LW has Gray, GSot, Pettis, Miller, fringe Guillard and Guida and Florian
Gray is getting the rematch. Pettis and Guida are facing off. I think it only makes sense that Guillard fights Miller or Florian while GSot, who is getting a bit of a gimme fight with Siver, fight Florian.
I've always liked Melvin
And he was out of his mind in this fight. I honestly believe he has every tool he needs to be champ, and with Jackson’s camp on his side, there is no reason why he can’t be champ at some point.
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A win like this should put to rest about Jackson's camp making fighters into point fighters
What can anyone really say? This was just Guillard brutalizing one of the hottest up-and-comers in Dunham. There was no game plan of point fighting here.
I won't jump off the bandwagon just because you lost.
by chrisbboy82 on Jan 23, 2011 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
That will never happen
Greg Jackson = boring
Despite the incredible evidence against it, that meme will go on a long time before it dies
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There are so many finishers on Jackson's roster,
it’s ridiculous that meme has any legs.
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by Dave Strummer on Jan 23, 2011 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
It seems like to me that the two top fighters who train under/with Jackson, GSP and Rashad Evans, are the evidence that some MMA fans use against Greg Jackson’s gameplans about not finishing opponents or point fighting, which is just ridiculous. Those two fight only the top of their respective divisions, and some MMA fans think that their opponents who are all top ten or even top five are easy to finish.
I won't jump off the bandwagon just because you lost.
by chrisbboy82 on Jan 23, 2011 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
Don’t get why more people didn’t pick guillard. I know it’s easy to say this now, but it was clear guillard was very capable or knocking out dunham,
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by Hendo_One-Shot on Jan 22, 2011 11:56 PM EST reply actions
It was clear that Dunham was very capable of submitting Guillard.
Downplaying Dunham’s chances in hindsight isn’t fair to either fighter.
OHHHHH! OH MY GOODNESS DID YOU SEE THAT?! He ran up the wall like a ninja and landed a high kick! Unbelievable! I've never seen anything like that, it's like something out of a movie!
by lowellthehammer on Jan 22, 2011 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
not really… He put on clear display his takedown defense and ability to get up from the bottom. not trying to sound pompous but the fight went exactly how I thought it would…struggle for takedown, takedown, wall walk, knockout. this line should have been even at best.
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by Hendo_One-Shot on Jan 22, 2011 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
Mir picture is fitting.
OHHHHH! OH MY GOODNESS DID YOU SEE THAT?! He ran up the wall like a ninja and landed a high kick! Unbelievable! I've never seen anything like that, it's like something out of a movie!
by lowellthehammer on Jan 23, 2011 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
Joke all you want : / All I’m saying is the line should have been closer. I picked guillard with as much confidence as I’ve had in quite a while.
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by Hendo_One-Shot on Jan 23, 2011 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
Well.
I think it was because he was so lax in his previous fight. He was playing cat and mouse with the guy.
by RJshock 305 on Jan 22, 2011 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
Florian makes the most sense for Melvin next. Dunham/Lentz maybe?
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Pfft
Sot/Melvin is far more interesting
OHHHHH! OH MY GOODNESS DID YOU SEE THAT?! He ran up the wall like a ninja and landed a high kick! Unbelievable! I've never seen anything like that, it's like something out of a movie!
by lowellthehammer on Jan 23, 2011 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but he’s facing Siver for no reason.
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by Neil Manich on Jan 23, 2011 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
and why the fuck is miller fighting shalarous?
that makes no sense to me
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NAW.
SOT will get next shot if he beats siver
by RJshock 305 on Jan 23, 2011 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
Which is entirely nonsensical, but whatever.
OHHHHH! OH MY GOODNESS DID YOU SEE THAT?! He ran up the wall like a ninja and landed a high kick! Unbelievable! I've never seen anything like that, it's like something out of a movie!
by lowellthehammer on Jan 23, 2011 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
Well, that is what I think.
I dont see anyone else out their who deserves it yet. Melvin needs one more big name as well as Guida.
by RJshock 305 on Jan 23, 2011 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
Miller definitely deserves one, a weird matchup with Shalorus notwithstanding.
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Who has he fought?
How many Top Ten has he fought though?
by RJshock 305 on Jan 23, 2011 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
This is true, he hasn’t beaten a top 10 opponent. But neither has Guillard or Sotiropolous.
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Well.
Not trying to sound like a smart ass, but was Dunnam a top ten during this fight? Hell Maybe top five.
by RJshock 305 on Jan 23, 2011 12:26 AM EST up reply actions
Dam.
That loss to Sherk dropped him to 12! Hmm, then I say have Melvin fight Miller! How does that sound?
by RJshock 305 on Jan 23, 2011 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
Miller has to fight Shalorus. It would be a cool fight though, if Melvin’s willing to wait a bit.
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Hmm well does Sherk have a dancing partner. Last I checked he doesnt have one. Also according to Sherdog Dunnam was #10 in the ranking. If Melvin fights and beats Sherk, he would have taken out the number 10 and 9.
by RJshock 305 on Jan 23, 2011 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
Well, we’re not on Sherdog. : ) Dunham’s number 12 on the BE consensus rankings. Sherk would definitely be an interesting fight too, but he says he’s having recurring issues with old injuries and isn’t looking to fight again until the summer or fall.
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Hmm.
I cant think oh a good match for him then? Not many people open to fight that are Top Ten. Unless Florian gets healthy.
by RJshock 305 on Jan 23, 2011 12:41 AM EST up reply actions
Ya, I think it worksout. Florian is a big name opponent. Also If Florian wins it would propel him up the ranks a bit.
by RJshock 305 on Jan 23, 2011 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
where is florian in the rankings currently?
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Well I cant say for certain, but im almost positive he is top ten, i think around 7
by RJshock 305 on Jan 23, 2011 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
thanks
there’s been a lot of action in LW. I wasn’t sure how far his status would drop after his loss to Gray. He needs a win of a top opponent to stay relevant when he returns.
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YOU KNOW WHAT.
Dana needs to throw a GOD DAMN TOURNAMENT! After Edgar Maynard 3 he needs to throws one. Their wont be a good case for the next contender unless he does one.
by RJshock 305 on Jan 23, 2011 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
The problem isn't that there isn't a good case for a contender
Its that there a very good cases to be made for several contenders. Either way, a tourney sounds great
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It solves two problems.
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2. We decide who gets the next shot.
3. Because fans want to see it.
by RJshock 305 on Jan 23, 2011 12:56 AM EST up reply actions
Sherdog is but one component of the far superior USAT/SBN Consensus MMA Rankings.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 23, 2011 1:21 AM EST up reply actions
How is that nonsensical?
He was promised a shot if he beat Lauzon, and was given Siver to keep busy.
And then God created Saturn... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
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So is beating Stevenson/Pellegrino/Lauzon really worthy of a title shot? Honestly. Pretend it’s not GSot we’re talking about. He’s just another guy with three wins over solid gatekeepers – he needs to fight one of the other contenders instead of being given a ‘stay busy’ fight that adds nothing to his resume.
OHHHHH! OH MY GOODNESS DID YOU SEE THAT?! He ran up the wall like a ninja and landed a high kick! Unbelievable! I've never seen anything like that, it's like something out of a movie!
by lowellthehammer on Jan 23, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
The definition of a gatekeeper is someone u beat to get to the top of the division. As u said, G-Sot has beaten 3!
How about we just have no title contenders? I mean, if u give a guy enough fights eventually he will lose. G-Sot is 6-0 and will be 7-0 with a win over Siver. Not only that, he is an interesting new challenge to a belt holder who will have possibly fought 2 people in the past 2 years. What does a guy have to do to be “worthy”?
I'd prefer for him to fight one of the guys at the top instead of a ton of guys in the middle/bottom.
Your username makes it clear I won’t convince you though.
GSot should’ve gotten a Jim Miller level fighter around the time he fought Lauzon or even Pellegrino. The UFC has him on the slow track for whatever reason and they’re to blame for him not having a resume befitting a title shot, not me. If he would’ve fought an upper level fighter by now, just one guy, I’d be fine with him getting a title shot. Lauzon and Siver do nothing for me though.
OHHHHH! OH MY GOODNESS DID YOU SEE THAT?! He ran up the wall like a ninja and landed a high kick! Unbelievable! I've never seen anything like that, it's like something out of a movie!
by lowellthehammer on Jan 23, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
Gives Dunham a win AND gives them a reson to cut Lentz?
Sounds like DFW’s wet dream.
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I still want to see Guillard vs. Gomi
Solid striking battle….maybe.
Dunham is not quite there yet. This isn’t the first time he’s been dropped in the stand-up battle and Guillard has way more power than Escudero. Brutal KO.
Fire Gus "What's a screen?" Bradley.
IDK.
With the way Gomi throws those Jabs of his, I see Melvin coming with an Overhand and BOOM, GOMI is OUT. The fireball kid EXTINGUISHED.
by RJshock 305 on Jan 23, 2011 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
I'm just thinking of Gomi-Florian
And how Kenny ate Gomi up standing with a nice stiff jab. Guillard throws harder, faster punches than Kenny. I think he’d maim Gomi.
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by Dave Strummer on Jan 23, 2011 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
Melvin has all the potential in the world
Just don’t stick your head out anymore, Melvin, and you can be champ.
BOOSH
Wow, two bonuses for Yves?
The Thugjitsu master did well tonight
evan dunhams 29?
why did i think he was way younger
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i was thinking this loss wasnt a huge deal
since he’d be around for probably 8-10 more years
now i’m thinking otherwise, it could be a bigger deal
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Wow
That was the best Melvin I’ve ever seen, and I can’t help but figure it’s partly due to his return to Jackson and Winklejon. He needs to fight either Sotoropolis if he beats Siver, or Kenny Florian I thought was a good idea.
by theworldismine on Jan 23, 2011 12:15 AM EST reply actions
It just shows you what UFC hype is. It's hype
Todd Duffee… too much hype (some people took him to beat Overeem).
Tyson Griffin …. no need to explain this ….
Evan Dunham 0-2 in his last 2 fights
Machida .. Joe Rogan is having nightmare’s about that “era”
The next to go down will be Cain at the ends of JDS. You can take that to the bank.
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Duffee for sure…but Tyson Griffin is a very good fighter that’s lost some razor-thin decisions. They guy is a quality LW. Even Dana said that Dunham won the Sherk fight and he won’t hold bad judging against him. And Machida’s still a top 5 LHW. There’s no reason to believe that Dunham is going to fall apart or anything, he just got lit up by an elite striker. It happens.
There’s too much hype about hype.
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by Tim Burke on Jan 23, 2011 12:20 AM EST up reply actions 8 recs
What about JDS’s hype train? He’s got one impressive win, and all of the sudden he’s got the best striking of all HW’s?
one impressive win?
he beat:
werdum
crocop
gonzaga
Yvel
and if he beats Cain, he will have to beat Lesnar in the process. If JDS loses to Lesnar, I’ll agree with you
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by SheepleBuster on Jan 23, 2011 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
Translation:
There is no way that people I’m impressed with could be overhyped.
OHHHHH! OH MY GOODNESS DID YOU SEE THAT?! He ran up the wall like a ninja and landed a high kick! Unbelievable! I've never seen anything like that, it's like something out of a movie!
by lowellthehammer on Jan 23, 2011 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
so wait a second. You people come in here saying Overeem is a god of MMA
Who has he beaten in the past few years that counted?
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by SheepleBuster on Jan 23, 2011 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
Werdum is as one-dimension as any fighter I’ve seen. Cro Cop hasn’t been Cro Cop in a long time, :Yvel plain sucks and Gonzaga has been real hesitant in his striking ever since that Couture beatdown. Basically, the one good win on his resume is Big Country.
Sure, if he beats Lesnar, that’s a huge win. He’s still way overhyped at this very moment though.
eh
didn’t some of the analysts called Werdum the #1 after he beat Fedor? Now he is one dimensional?
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by SheepleBuster on Jan 23, 2011 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
Horrible standup. Only reason he beat Fedor was because Fedor was careless and way too confident in his scrambling abilities. Winning 20 something fights in a row will do that to a guy.
On the feet, Werdum is just plain bad. And the fact that he won against Big Foot Silva on the feet doesn’t mean anything, considering Big Foot was also beat by a LHW on the feet.
Nice try.
OHHHHH! OH MY GOODNESS DID YOU SEE THAT?! He ran up the wall like a ninja and landed a high kick! Unbelievable! I've never seen anything like that, it's like something out of a movie!
by lowellthehammer on Jan 23, 2011 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
Wow, you have a very strange view on things. “Horrible standup” is a huge stretch. And because Bigfoot got dropped by Kyle, he’s terrible too now? You’re big on hyperbole.
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If you get dropped by a LHW and beat on the feet by Werdum, you’re pretty much terrible, yes. The only damage he’ll do to Fedor in their upcoming fight is to Fedor’s right hand that he’ll break with his huge cranium.
o please
werdums a good fighter with some decent standup and a great ground game JDS is an excellent fighter and bigfoot is an above average figher with nice all around skills
bigfoot isnt great but he throws with power and has a blackbelt in judo and bjj, thats good enough to at least make u a borderline top 10 guy in the thin division
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people forget that Kyle also dropped Werdum. Didn't he?
Or am I just mixing things up
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by SheepleBuster on Jan 23, 2011 12:41 AM EST up reply actions
i think ur thinking about bigfoot
i dont remember kyle doing that
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by SheepleBuster on Jan 23, 2011 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
Kyle landed some good countershots, but didn’t drop him.
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Yup
Backed him up but my memory is not as good as it used to be :)
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by SheepleBuster on Jan 23, 2011 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
This is one of the most ignorant posts on MMA I've ever seen. Literally ever.
I’d elaborate, but my brain would collapse in the process. It would be like arguing jewish history with a holocaust denier.
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I still maintain my point that JDS’s standup skills are hugely overrated considering the only guy with good standup he’s beaten is Big Country. Everyone’s beating Cro Cop these days, Gonzaga hasn’t won in ages in the UFC and has been been shown the door, same with Yvel, etc.
And if he beats Lesnar, it certainly won’t tell us anything on his standup… we all know Lesnar pretty much sucks on the feet. Cain would be the first real test of his standup skills.
So yes, JDS is hugely overhyped at this very moment.
ok name a heavyweight in mma with better striking? other than potentially overeem
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Cool story.
Name five heavyweights with a better resume in the last 3 years than Junior. I’ll wait.
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Shouldn't even waste your time.
OHHHHH! OH MY GOODNESS DID YOU SEE THAT?! He ran up the wall like a ninja and landed a high kick! Unbelievable! I've never seen anything like that, it's like something out of a movie!
by lowellthehammer on Jan 23, 2011 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
I'm bored and drunk
and he done goof’d in his reply to me. Unless his point is that heavyweight sucks (which I agree with) then he’s either admitted he’s a troll or an idiot. Either way, I have a shitload of whiskey. Not sure if there’s a losing outcome for me here…
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by pdl on Jan 23, 2011 12:52 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
rec'd
cuz all of that is pretty awesome
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Where have I said his resume sucks or that there’s 5 HWs with better ones than his? All I’m saying is that his striking is vastly overrated considering his opposition. He’s never beat anyone with great standup, other than possibly Nelson, and even then, he’s not that great himself.
Who has the best striking in the division?
And don’t tell me Cain because he struggled to KO Ben Rothwell, beat up the awful in striking Brock Lesnar, and an over-the-hill Big Nog.
We can play this game all night.
Fire Gus "What's a screen?" Bradley.
by SSreporters on Jan 23, 2011 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
This is stupid
He’s beat all the guys they’ve put in front of him. He has beaten them all decisively. Anyone who 1) understands boxing and 2) has seen JDS fight, recognizes that he is extremely talented, especially for a HW.
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by Dave Strummer on Jan 23, 2011 1:03 AM EST up reply actions
He dismantled Werdum, Struve, Cro-Cop, Yvel, Gonzaga, and Nelson
Only one “can” in there and Yvel isn’t horrible, but he’s a dirty fighter.
You talk some crap sometimes.
Fire Gus "What's a screen?" Bradley.
by SSreporters on Jan 23, 2011 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
He’s got the best boxing is the general consensus, not striking overall.
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he's displayed the best mma striking in the division
when alistair fights and beats a wrestler or legit grappler in his current 255 lb form ill throw him ahead
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I think he’s the best striker, I don’t think he has the best striking overall. He does have the best boxing. If you seriously think at a technical level he is superior to overeem you are mistaking. I do think he is better able to apply what he has, and minimize other aspects of peoples games (like grappling) so it is fair to say he’s the best functional striker. That’s what I am referencing. Now whether I think that would come into play is a different story, your technical best aren’t necessarily your best in the actual ring.
So Dos Santos imho best boxer at HW. I think he’d beat Overeem, but not because his overall striking is better, I think he’s a smarter fighter and has a better chin.
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to break down what I am saying I mean in terms of overall offensive tools and what he could teach based on what he has shown. I’m taking speed and power out of the equation as I say this.
I do think he could stand with any hw and come out on top. I am just talking about the versatility of his striking when I say he’s now who I would consider the best.
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so wait...
bashing UFC hype… then hyping up a hyped-up UFC fighter.
wtf?
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by Cory Braiterman on Jan 23, 2011 1:46 AM EST up reply actions
I've never liked Melvin
Maybe it was his antics on TUF, or the Cocaine, or my intense dislike of anyone that has “Young” in their nickname. But even I can respect the performance that he put on tonight.
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Ummmmm anyone else here that his win was changed to NC due to illegal knees?
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Hope so. Even though Dunham was clearly on his way to being out of it, it’s that final illegal knee that put him out completely. An illegal move is an illegal move. Guillard shouldn’t get a W on his record if the final blow was an illegal one.
It wasn’t intentional and Dunham was fading like you stated. If Dunham was initially dropped with an illegal knee it’s different. The instant when he threw it and when it became illegal are pretty close. No reason that should be overturned by any worthwhile commission.
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Wow,
if they turned that fight into an NC (which would never happen) because of that final knee, then KJ Noon’s had a no contest with Jorge Gurgel as well. It was straight momentum, not intentional, aside from the fact the Evan was clearly out before that.
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by Dustin Luff on Jan 23, 2011 12:41 AM EST up reply actions
FFS he threw the knee before Dunham went to the ground
Is Melvin literally going to stop his hard momentum because of that?
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by SSreporters on Jan 23, 2011 12:39 AM EST up reply actions
I disagree. Guillard three 3 knees… the first one put him down, the 2nd one was when Dunham was trying to regain his balance by putting down a hand and lifted it up as he was getting the knee (very legal) resulting in Dunham landing on his ass, and the 3rd knee was Dunham was completely sitting. It might have been accidental, most certainly was, but still was totally illegal.
The 3rd knee landed when Dunham was sitting
Dunham was not sitting when he THREW it.
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by SSreporters on Jan 23, 2011 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
That is true
But I don’t see this being overturned when it was already clear that Dunham was out of that fight. Yamasaki almost cut it off 5-10 secs before
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Wasn’t Bones clearly winning the fight against Hammill long before his famous hellbows landed? Yet, he got DQ’d because Hammill couldn’t continue. How is this any different?
Because at no point was the fight close to being stopped when he landed the elbows
Yamasaki was ready to call it before the illegal knee.
Fire Gus "What's a screen?" Bradley.
he controlled where he was when he threw the elbow. Melvins strike landed illegally because of the movement in that moment. One was intentionally thrown illegally (while not malicious) the other happened due to circumstance.
But keep telling us why we are wrong Cecil.
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Okay
Even so, the 2nd knee put him out as he was keeling over and Yamasaki went in to stop the fight.
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by SSreporters on Jan 23, 2011 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
From a couple of your comments here
I’ve got to assume that you don’t actually watch these fights. The reason that the ref missed the illegal knee (which was in the flow of the action and not a DQ-worthy offense) was that he was already on his way in to stop the fight.
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by Dave Strummer on Jan 23, 2011 12:51 AM EST up reply actions
Was he? It looked like he was getting closer to be ready to stop the fight when the time came, but I’m not sure he would’ve stopped it if that last knee didn’t land. Dunham had just landed on his ass and trying to regain balance. I don’t know. Either way, no doubt Guillard would’ve won this fight either way. But you know, rules are rules, as we all learned with the Bones/Hammill fight.
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I heard that his win was now a NC due to illegal knee
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I picked Dunham
But I’ve always like Guillard, I picked him against Stephens(who I have nothing against, I loved his KO of Davis, who I also was kinda hoping would win)
But Guillard was just on fire tonight. I was one of the many that felt Dunham was robbed at 119.
Guillard is young, has a good win streak going, just destroyed a guy who is ranked in the top 12, is lightning fast and has serious knockout ability.
I think he has very legit star potential.
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I'm still pissed off from that fight
I really believe Stephens won. I’ve watched it over and can’t see what Melvin did to win besides move around alot.
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See, I didn't re-watch it
But the stick and move had me convinced Guillard was going to get a 29-28…I don’t recall any takedowns or the like to definitively secure Stephens any rounds(forgive me if I’ve forgotten) and the standup was close…with Guillard probably landing more.
But I didn’t re-watch it because I wasn’t all that impressed by it, so my memory might be hazy
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by Chris Groves on Jan 23, 2011 2:19 AM EST up reply actions
Thrilled to see Yves pocket an extra 60k. Love that guy.
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by FRANKIE on Jan 23, 2011 12:48 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I was happy Cody got some bonus too
Took some gigantic balls going in there with Yves, and he did pretty danm well all things considered.
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I really think that Hominick should have gotten that KO bonus. They should’ve split it or something. Roop looked like what would happen if I got in there against Hominick, even though I have half a foot and sixty pounds on him.
by T.C. Engel on Jan 23, 2011 1:20 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
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