UFC Sues Justin.TV

if anything this will force them (zuffa) to innovate the ways they distibute content hopefully they don’t blow a ton of cash on this

I’m surprised it took this long, frankly.

why not offer a free, low-quality internet stream with some advertisement?

i haven’t been able to find a decent stream of a UFC event on either of these sites that didn’t go down after like 30 seconds in over a year. that being said, it doesn’t matter to me, because I work to support my desires. what a concept, i know.

if you want to watch UFC: manage your fucking money better, or go to school to get a better job, or sell drugs, or turn tricks, or go to your local Hooters or BWW and pay maybe 5$ cover tops and buy two beers. seriously, how poor are you guys?

ruh roh

and they are right to do so. But if streams get shut down, people are either going to find other ones, or not watch.

Me? Imma find another stream. A legal one, of course.

I want them to succeed. Just imagine if all of those people who watched streams of the PPV events paid, or even grouped up with 3 other piraters and paid?

More money for the UFC is good for the fighters and for the sport overall.

I pay for every card that I see and it pisses me off that there are thousands of people out there that watch the cards for free online streamed by some prick.

ha IF they shutdown justin.tv, many more will pop up after. remember when napster got shutdown? ya that really stopped pirating music, NOT

A waste of money and resources if you ask me – piracy has and always will exist, this battle is futile.

But I buy nearly every event anyway. My couch and flat screen in HD > some grainy ass choppy feed that will cut out before the main event.

Since Zuffa broadcasts there product for free all over Europe, I dont see how they can stop ppl in the US from viewing it online. Blocking the flow of public information is impossible today is it not?

No one watches streams on Justin TV anymore because there are much much better sites for quality streaming anyway.

You can’t stop the internet, so yes it’s illegal and yes I’m going to hell but for every site like Justin that gets hit like this another 10 pop up.

don’t stream events live, if I can’t see it I can’t see it.

But I do occasionally go into work monday and find the replay somewhere online =)

Sorry Dana.

Didnt the UFC for awhile talk to the media about not only hard numbers for PPV buys, but saying that those numbers dont include the number of people that watched in each household? And they meant in a positive way.

Regardless, I dont see much of a difference between showing a stream on the internet versus buying the PPV and letting 100 friends come over and watch for free.

I understand the UFC’s position, but like a poster above says…I dont wish to gamble with money. The way the music world and the movie world has fallen in terms of quality (america has really lowered their standards in pop culture)…I dont buy unless I enjoy it for sure. If someone clearly put no effort into a movie they made, why do they deserve any money?

Fighting is a bit of a different beast, but sometimes I cannot afford it…and when I cant afford it, I either watch it via stream, or I watch it at a friend’s for free. Either way, I didnt pay for it. If money is Zuffa’s main concern, I guess theyre shit outta luck.

Any asshole who bitches about this is a fool, plain and simple. If everyone just watched the streams for free instead of pay, how long do you think the UFC would last? Zuffa has every right to press charges and I think they should. If we want to keep enjoying MMA and seeing the best fighters in the Octagon, we have to pay. A true fan wouldn’t bitch about a few bones, if you can’t afford the PPV, go to a damn buffalo wild wings and order some fries and water, you douche.

When discussing piracy, using music, film, video games in comparison to a live event is not apples to apples. There are obvious differences. Similarites yes, but not a perfect cut and dry comparison even if you are for or against non-sanctioned use of the material in question.

Also, it seems funny to me that people in the thread debate piracy and how it relates tongue bottom line for the UFC, but nobody mentions the fact that some fighters get an additional cut based on the number of ppv buys. I know this is usually reserved for the top stars but I am sure some others are incentivized based on buys one way or another. No matter how you feel about what fighters should be paid in relation to what the promoter makes is a topic for another day, but fewer ppv buys also hurts the fighter’s pocket books too in multiple ways.

I pay for UFC on PPV — the good ones — in HD because I’m not going risk missing action if a stream drops.

If peeps want to stream — let them, they know the risks. Life goes on.

Tongue=to.

Damn phone

This has to be because they think they’ll find something juicy in discovery, right? Ostensibly, Justin.TV is acting in accordance with the DMCA, so what’s the issue?

UFC must be thinking that they’ll find a smoking gun internal memo about encouraging infringement.

There are so many comments that I want to crush here that I’ll just drop my own at the end of 227+.

Being a part of our society is growing a culture of doing the right thing to influence our kids, our friends our family etc. I guess as I’ve grown into adulthood I have realized how important it is to do the right thing.

You can walk into WalMart and jack an apple and yeah it doesnt put a dent in their business but what does that say about you as a person?

Well, its late, I’m going to go download some free porn.

Justin.TV was not started as a place to distribute content illegally.
If a murder is committed on my lawn I shouldn’t be to blame because I “provided the forum for illegal activities”.

You have to go after the criminals, not the legitimate businesses.

 I order every UFC event on PPV, but there’s always one thing that pisses me off as a customer: Why is it that even after I’ve paid to watch, I’m milked again when I want to watch the unaired prelims? I think it’s a little ridiculous that even though you’ve paid, you have to cough up another two bucks for each prelim, unless you’ve purchased the event online. There’s a reason someone is buying it on their TV rather than their computer. Usually people do it out of convenience. So let me get this straight: I have to sign up for a membership through UFC.com, login to UFC.com, order the event 24 hours in advance, buy the audio/video cables that are required to hook up a computer to a TV, watch the PPV, and then wait until the next day. Then at a certain time, they will finally grant me the privilege to access the fights for seven days, and seven days only. The prelims should always be on free TV, or they should be incorporated into the PPV. Since you have to go online to watch the prelims, the UFC creates a climate where paying customers feel slighted and tempted to steal the prelims. The vast majority of UFC customers watch the events by PPV. So there has to be a large percentage of loyal, UFC customers out there that buy events, yet feel justified in stealing the prelims. Unfortunately, I’m sure ZUFFA has a stance that these people are just as guilty as someone who steals the entire event. You don’t punish the largest chunk of your customer base.

Also if people continue to stream events on Justin tv, they will probably either get caught or just send his message to zuffa

It’s fucking amazing how many of you defend streaming this because it’s too expensive, or it costs the fighters too much to watch it. If 80,000 stream an event, that’s $4m worth of content that has been stolen. Whether you hate Zuffa or not, they are spending millions per event to put the fights on. Maybe nobody out of the 80k would have bought, but they had absolutely no right to stream it when the product sells for $50.

People seem to rationalize stealing from a big, faceless company, but the same people don’t care that it hurts the fighter’s bottom line too if they get an incentive based on the number of ppv buys.

That being said, most of us – I’d wager damn near all of us – have illegally downloaded a song or movie or tv show now and then. I’ve done it in the past, it is what it is, but I don’t go around justifying how it’s not stealing. It is. There’s no grey area on this.

Since UFC is claiming tens of thousands of people are illegally watching UFC events on websites that stream them live, they should see this as an opportunity to make money. The demand is obviously there, why not make it an option for people to buy a ppv stream for who knows $15 or $20 so these people can watch it online legally? The US economy these days isn’t doing so well, many people unemployed and a $50 price tag to watch a UFC ppv event can be steep for some people. May be lower it to watch it online legally is a better alternative than spending legal money going after streaming websites like JTV and others.

My “communist Russia” rant was a joke (obviously?), and I figured we just got caught up in Shah’s mess.