UFC 125 Results: Gray Maynard and Frankie Edgar Deserve a Rematch
by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 2, 2011 1:05 AM EST
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It looked like it was going to be over quick. Gray Maynard rocked Frankie Edgar in the first round of their lightweight title fight at UFC 125, leaving the champion on wobbly legs for most of the round's five minutes. Edgar took a horrible beating, eating punch after punch. If the referee had decided to stop the fight at certain points, it wouldn't have been the worst call ever. No champion has ever taken such an extended whooping in UFC history, not even Brock Lesnar in his UFC 116 battle with Shane Carwin.
And then it was like the first round never happened at all. Edgar was back to his old self as the second round began, moving well and landing regularly with a crisp right hand. What followed was one of the best fights in UFC history. We've seen lots of fights that featured fighters trading evenly, but rarely fights so evenly fought with such a high level of technique. These weren't winging overhand leads. Both men were putting punches together in combination, looking to wrestle, and even attempting and defending submissions.
This was what mixed martial arts is all about. This was art- a brutal artistry for certain, but art nonetheless. In the end, I didn't mind that the fight was scored a draw. I had it a draw on my own score card giving Maynard the first and third rounds (10-8 Round one) and Edgar rounds two, four, and five. It was as evenly fought as any bout I've seen. No one deserved to lose.
Unfortunately, we will all be losers because of the UFC's insistence on booking fights so far in advance. We just saw a championship fight end in a draw, not a boring fight that no one wants to see again, but an action packed extravaganza. Should Frankie Edgar really go from this to fighting the WEC's lame duck champion Anthony Pettis?
I like Pettis for his potential and think he has a bright future. But why should he be given a title shot when he's never beaten a legitimate top ten fighter? We don't need to see Edgar-Pettis. We need to see Edgar vs. Maynard III and we need to see it as soon as possible.
I implore you to write to Dana White on twitter and ask him to do the right thing. Pettis can wait until there is a true winner in this epic battle between Edgar and Maynard. I, for one, would like five more rounds of top notch action from the best fighters on the planet. Let the champion and his challenger settle the score first - then give Pettis his time in the spotlight. This is what the sport has been waiting for, our first chance at an epic trilogy, the kind that define legacies in boxing. Let's see it Dana.
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I say we take a lesson from the Bible
Tell em we’ll cut the belt in half. The one willing to give up the belt, rather than see it destroyed is the true champ.
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by some schmuck in texas on Jan 2, 2011 1:00 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
fixed
Tell em we’ll cut the belt in half. The one who uses their half to beat the other senseless is the true champ.
damn dude
what book of the bible is that?
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by some schmuck in texas on Jan 2, 2011 1:41 AM EST up reply actions
I don't
Maynard won but judges are biased towards Edgar. He lost the first fight to BJ too. Why should he get these decisions when he should be 1-2 in his last 3 fights?
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by SheepleBuster on Jan 2, 2011 1:05 AM EST up reply actions
you must really be delusional, seek help.
by kp82 on Jan 2, 2011 1:07 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
why?
Most experts I know scored the first BJ Edgar fight for BJ. I did too. I scored this one for Maynard. How is that being delusional?? Edgar should be 1-2 in his last three fights.
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by SheepleBuster on Jan 2, 2011 1:09 AM EST up reply actions
you know what I meant? Don't change the discussion and give me double talk
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by SheepleBuster on Jan 2, 2011 1:13 AM EST up reply actions
No I don’t know what you mean, most “experts” I “know” thought Edgar won both Penn fights and that the only really bad thing in the first one was the one judge giving every round to Edgar.
Snowden thought Penn won.
That’s just off hand.
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Just saying
Your statement about how the scores were viewed is just wrong. Now if you scored it for Edgar, whatever that’s fine. But plenty disagreed.
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Your statement about how the scores were viewed is just wrong.
So you are telling me that my statement that most of the experts I know thought Edgar won both but were upsed about Edgar getting every round? So you live in my brain and know exactly what I have and haven’t read? How can you know what experts opinions I have and haven’t seen? I didn’t say they all did, I can’t say that because I don’t know all the “experts”.
I'm saying you mis remembered
Or you read like one writer.
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Which I respect you enough to know that you read plenty
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I guess I could go back and dig for for all the post fight press but what I remember people being upset about wasn’t the win (it was a close fight) but the one judge that gave all the rounds to Edgar. I don’t remember there being all that much controversy about the fight nor do I remember most of the experts scoring it for Penn. Heck when have the so called internet “experts” agreed on anything?
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by mma.ly on Jan 2, 2011 1:17 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Cut the self righteous schtick
If you can’t see how that fight could be scored a draw than you should probably stop watching.
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by Worldisart on Jan 2, 2011 1:09 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't want to see how the fight "could" be scored
I want it to be scored the right way.
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by SheepleBuster on Jan 2, 2011 1:10 AM EST up reply actions
It's not an absolute science
There isn’t always one right answer and one wrong answer. I get what your deal is. Talk as loudly and as often as possible but your self righteous crap is just silly.
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by Worldisart on Jan 2, 2011 1:12 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
me and you sir, we are never ever going to agree on anything :)
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by SheepleBuster on Jan 2, 2011 1:14 AM EST up reply actions
With the 'right way' being whatever you think, right?
Why do we even have judges? Someone should declare you the King of MMA judging and all decisions should come down to what you think after the fights.
OHHHHH! OH MY GOODNESS DID YOU SEE THAT?! He ran up the wall like a ninja and landed a high kick! Unbelievable! I've never seen anything like that, it's like something out of a movie!
by lowellthehammer on Jan 2, 2011 1:14 AM EST up reply actions
Dude
Me and you, we got some kind of psychic connection going on tonight.
Tell it like it is brother.
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Preach on!
OHHHHH! OH MY GOODNESS DID YOU SEE THAT?! He ran up the wall like a ninja and landed a high kick! Unbelievable! I've never seen anything like that, it's like something out of a movie!
by lowellthehammer on Jan 2, 2011 1:21 AM EST up reply actions
Then why do you keep scoring it wrong?
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haha. Good one
I am tired to really continue this tonight :) It’s already done. Not worth arguing about now I guess
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by SheepleBuster on Jan 2, 2011 1:16 AM EST up reply actions
The judges are biased?
Because a good majority of the people on this board seem to think it was a draw.
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not biased towards the person
but his style rather. Frankie’s style
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by SheepleBuster on Jan 2, 2011 1:11 AM EST up reply actions
Then explain why
The majority of people on this board seem to think the draw was a good decision
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i dont know that people were saying that it was a good decision
but they were saying it was either Maynard winning or a draw. So given the two options, the judges picked one that most people on this site agree with. It would have been the same reaction had Maynard got the nod for the decision.
And im not mad at all about the decision but i understand what sheeple is saying, Edgar always stays busy, that style looks good for judging because it can be deceiving. People have less of a problem for a judge scoring the fight for the one who is “out-working” the other, or looks to be doing.
by xMMAxTYSONxMMA on Jan 2, 2011 1:18 AM EST up reply actions
Edgar getting
a 50-45 score in the first BJ fight and a 48-46 in this fight shows that judges favor Frankie, right there.
a 48-47 score for Edgar can be argued but not 48-46, or 50-45 for that matter.
by xMMAxTYSONxMMA on Jan 2, 2011 1:21 AM EST up reply actions
agreed 100%
I wish I had my boxing fan uncle over to see this, mma made some lifelong fans after that fight, without a doubt. The fight showcased all aspects of mma and it showcased them well.
This is what the sport has been waiting for, our first chance at an epic trilogy, the kind that define legacies in boxing.
My sentiments exactly. I applaud you sir.
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ummmm
rampage wanderlei anyone? all those fights where way better than tonights
I disagree. I think Rampage Ko’ed in the ropes is an iconic image, but this was an amazing fight. Only been a handful better ever.
by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 2, 2011 1:07 AM EST up reply actions
2 beatdowns and a blow-out? The buildup may have been epic but those were far from epic fights.
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wasn't two beatdowns
rampage was quite competitive in those first two fights before getting koed.
Shhhh
you’re not supposed to acknowledge those parts of the fights.
I don't want to say he's dirty, but Forrest Griffin looks like directly after a workout his crotch might resemble a cajun swamp.
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Those fights were ruined
by the first two being biased towards Wanderlei (quick restarts when Rampage got takedowns) and the third coming far too late for Wandy to be competitive.
OHHHHH! OH MY GOODNESS DID YOU SEE THAT?! He ran up the wall like a ninja and landed a high kick! Unbelievable! I've never seen anything like that, it's like something out of a movie!
by lowellthehammer on Jan 2, 2011 1:15 AM EST up reply actions
how bout no
Frankie showed he was the better fighter tonight, gray catching that one lucky shot in the first is the only reason he didn’t lose tonight.
I would much rather see pettis fight edgar than a rematch
by C.A.M. on Jan 2, 2011 1:04 AM EST reply actions 6 recs
96 of which....
were a result of the first, its not like he picked him apart during that first round, he hurt him with one shot and that teed off while frankie was recovering
97 of which he couldn't finish him
the 10-8 score was deserved. but he couldn’t seal the deal with those weak arms. so the draw stands, on to the next opponent
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The next opponent being Gray Maynard
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that was definitely not a lucky shot.
Gray caught Frankie several times jumping out throughout the fight, that one obviously being the best shot
How are you related to Frankie?
Brother? Cousin? What?
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how can you watch the absolutely beating he put on frankie
and boil it down to “one lucky shot”. madness.
because thats what it was
Frankie showed throughout the later rounds his boxing is superior, Im sure the fight metric report will show frankie outstriking him the last 4 rounds
yeah, but i don't think that's what people are taking issue with.
“catching that one lucky shot in the first” is a gross exaggeration, irregardless of what happened the rest of the fight.
"irregardless"
Lol
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No insult intended
It just makes me giggle. My apologies.
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by spudsucker on Jan 2, 2011 1:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
it just shows that disagreeing with snowden, no matter how wrong u are earns u recs
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I don't think it's that this time around
Just people wanting to bag on Maynard when he showed a new dimension to his game.
Accustomed to mediocrity.
Too many MMA fans have no clue what they're watching.
How is Gray catching Edgar about a billion times with a left hook lucky? I had never noticed Frankie’s tendency to leave his right hanging low before this fight, but Gray obviously had and made him pay for it again and again. Calling that shot lucky is absolutely idiotic.
OHHHHH! OH MY GOODNESS DID YOU SEE THAT?! He ran up the wall like a ninja and landed a high kick! Unbelievable! I've never seen anything like that, it's like something out of a movie!
by lowellthehammer on Jan 2, 2011 1:17 AM EST up reply actions
come on
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Yeah, Gray got really lucky
He was trying to pick some lint off Frankie’s shoulder and actually punched him in the face really hard.
by Tedd Welch on Jan 2, 2011 1:22 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Naw, but they lowered the greening level from 5 to 3 recs years ago when there wasn’t this much traffic. Now anyone can get greened. Hell, even I got green’d once.
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by asa on Jan 2, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
How rare!
Surprisingly satisfied with one of your post-fight pieces, Mr. Snowden! Agreed almost across the board. Good stuff.
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by The so-called Beautiful on Jan 2, 2011 1:06 AM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
That is a good point. Carwin was fading by the end though and Frankie got caught almost immediately!
by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 2, 2011 1:07 AM EST up reply actions
It all depends on the PPV numbers for Dana and the Fertittas.
I suspect things will be left up in the air until they see the buy rate for this one.
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Assuming the title fight would headline
I doubt Pettis/Edgar would sell more than Maynard/Edgar 3
No one knows who Pettis is or has watched him fight. More people saw this PPV than probably ever watched Pettis. Just think about that for a second. If they’re delusional enough to believe that they can sell more PPVs off of some highlights of Pettis doing flying kicks than a rematch of an all time classic, they’re in trouble.
by VirtualBalboa on Jan 2, 2011 1:10 AM EST up reply actions
I'm sure a lot of casuals at least saw the superkick
Via internets or ESPN.
But lightweights DO NOT SELL so why risk a disaster when you can just do the rematch?
Accustomed to mediocrity.
Maybe they did, but crazy highlights like that never made anyone watch the WEC before and I doubt it alone was gonna make Pettis any more of a star than it would get the general public to start watching high school basketball on their regional sports networks because of a wild dunk or half court shot.
by VirtualBalboa on Jan 2, 2011 1:14 AM EST up reply actions
Wasn't really thinking about Pettis.
The more intriguing angle is Jose Aldo. Since Grispi just got abused, what else is really left for Aldo at 145? There were already steady calls for him to move up to LW after his last fight.
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by a tommy point on Jan 2, 2011 1:25 AM EST up reply actions
Give it 6 months. Obviously the division is bereft of talent. Only the hardiest of promotion loving drones can ignore that after watching Brown and Grispi get beat up. The UFC money will draw the real talent there and you’ll get a challenger.
by VirtualBalboa on Jan 2, 2011 1:30 AM EST up reply actions
But the whole thing going into this was all the talk about how much this fight wasn’t going to sell because it was going to be a “boring main event.” So that really shouldn’t apply In this case, the reaction to the fight is going to be a much better indication of what people want to see, not the buyrate.
by Jessica Rabbit on Jan 2, 2011 1:12 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Agree. The third fight would have positive vibes and public sentiment behind it. Would do better numbers than this.
by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 2, 2011 1:13 AM EST up reply actions
Snowden....
….did you actually start this campaign? What is the #hashtag?? Please post it so people (who agree) can, you know, act in a trackable manner….
/if it’s already posted somewhere please ignore, I’ll find it…
by BrothersGottaAndyHug on Jan 2, 2011 1:42 AM EST up reply actions
Maynard is still undefeated and still the number 1 contender
To push him out of line is insane.
I thought the fight was a draw and one of the best main events of the last few years. I want to see it again.
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This is what the sport has been waiting for, our first chance at an epic trilogy, the kind that define legacies in boxing. Let’s see it Dana.
100% agree. This fight was an instant classic. There has to be a rematch, IMO. Strike while the iron is hot. Pettis and his ninja kicks can wait.
by pud333 on Jan 2, 2011 1:09 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
This fight goes immeadiately into my top 5 all time.
All the crybabies who bitched and moaned about this fight and decided not to watch can start kicking themselves now.
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No kidding. This just goes back to when they announced the Nick Diaz / Cyborg title fight at Strikeforce and how everyone was lubing themselves up over it, while some of the same people shit all over this title fight. I can’t wait to watch this one again.
Well I think this is a little different than that
I’m not one to immediately throw fights under the bus, but in this case it was just assanine. This was the right fight too book and it was a style clash that was likely to produce some excitement.
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Or instead of kicking themselves
they should superglue mittens onto their hands so they can’t come on MMA websites and type retarded shit any more.
OHHHHH! OH MY GOODNESS DID YOU SEE THAT?! He ran up the wall like a ninja and landed a high kick! Unbelievable! I've never seen anything like that, it's like something out of a movie!
by lowellthehammer on Jan 2, 2011 1:19 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I like this idea
I’m from Canada, we have lots of spare mittens we could dedicate to this purpose.
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I have plenty of spare superglue for no real reason.
Let’s get to it brudda.
OHHHHH! OH MY GOODNESS DID YOU SEE THAT?! He ran up the wall like a ninja and landed a high kick! Unbelievable! I've never seen anything like that, it's like something out of a movie!
by lowellthehammer on Jan 2, 2011 1:30 AM EST up reply actions
AWFUL idea!
Belts being held up by TUF is the devil
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by woomikee on Jan 2, 2011 1:11 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I thought they wanted to start filming like...now
but I admit to knowing little of TUF
If they started filming right now, we'd have the fight late summer.
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And if
the fight goes the same way? Another rematch? they deserve one for sure. If needed a 3rd and forth…but other fighters must get their chance and I see no reason to to unify the title asap.
Why did Frankie keep the belt?
He didn’t win, so he shouldn’t keep it.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jan 2, 2011 1:14 AM EST reply actions
But he didn't lose, so he should keep it.
What’s the alternative? Make it vacant?
Accustomed to mediocrity.
i like that option
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Sure.
Winner holds the belt – no winner, no beltholder, instant rematch.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jan 2, 2011 1:17 AM EST up reply actions
There's no logic to it.
My challenger did not take the belt away from me, therefore I should keep it.
Accustomed to mediocrity.
I think it depends on how you view succession of the belt.
I’m arguing that it’s like poker – once you bet money (the belt), it’s no longer yours. You have to win the pot (fight) to keep it. In case of a zero-sum prize, if there’s no winner, no one receives the prize (in poker, you can split the pot in a draw, so the analogy breaks down). You (and everyone, it seems) believes that it’s something that you have to lose, and if you don’t lose the fight, you should keep it by default. I don’t see the defending champ as having any special claim to the belt that would dictate his possession in the result of no clear winner.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jan 2, 2011 1:30 AM EST up reply actions
This isn’t poker though, it’s fighting, and the rule in fighting is that to be the man, you have to beat the man.
by Phildo on Jan 2, 2011 1:34 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
But Frankie didn’t beat Maynard (and vice versa).
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jan 2, 2011 1:40 AM EST up reply actions
This
Frankie wasn’t fighting for a title. He already had it.
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I’ve never thought of it like that. Maybe my thinking is wrong, but I’ve always considered the belt ownership neutral in the fight, with the winner walking away with it (see my poker analogy above).
How did the current rule come into being?
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jan 2, 2011 1:51 AM EST up reply actions
You’d rather have that Dana keeps the belt and there be no Lightweight champion? It would be a vacuum! A VACUUM.
He's the last person to win it
Therefore it’s his.
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You have to beat the champion
In the event of a tie, champion retains. Gray came close, but close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.
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I wonder if Anthony Pettis could step aside, thus allowing us to see the rematch. Pettis could be rewarded for his loyalty by being given a good match on a big selling card with a nice tidy purse attached. If he beats a legitimate top ten opponent on a high ratings card then he can be next in line, if not, then he probably didn’t deserve the title shot anyway and could become a great learning curve for the young fighter.
amen
nothing left to say, that was perfect
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by Phildo on Jan 2, 2011 1:16 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
i'm down for a battle royale
but a 3 way dance works
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hes too busy being fucking ecstatic
what better way to top off a card that few really cared about by making controversy and an all around entertaining night of fights
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What we need to admit is.....
The ninja kick is what we are really supporting. If Pettis won a fairly uneventful decision we would care less about seeing him fight one of these guys. Since he did the ninja kick, we want the possibility of that happening again. LOL.
maynard should not have won
10-8 maynard obviously
10-9 edgar
10-9 edgar due to controlling stand up for 4 minutes and nearly getting the sub when maynard had a TD and did nothing with it
10-9edgar
last round could go either way but probably edgars
so it should have been 48-46 edgar but 47-47 isnt ridiculous
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@danawhite Please consider booking a third match between Maynard and Edgar before a Pettis fight. We need closure on this great battle first
by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 2, 2011 1:19 AM EST reply actions
A draw is the same thing as a title defense. Let’s move on to Edgar-Pettis, a much closer fight on paper than most people would have pegged it as a couple hours ago.
A draw isn’t a decisive outcome. Let’s settle this first and never again give a title shot to someone who has never beaten a top fighter in his weight class.
by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 2, 2011 1:24 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Edgar is the guy who looks like he’s progressed against elite competition. If anything, this fight looks far less competitive than it did 2 hours ago, unless you’re one of the people seriously deluded into thinking that Pettis winning the WEC title was as impressive as beating UFC lightweights.
What a sad choice.
by VirtualBalboa on Jan 2, 2011 1:26 AM EST up reply actions
Pettis is a much more skilled kickboxer than Maynard. He has the creativity to end the fight if he gets someone hurt that bad. He definitely wouldn’t throw 100 left hooks in a row, at least.
Dustin Poirer just took a huge dump on everybody’s FW rankings. Pettis is not nearly as far from the top at LW as some would put him.
Pettis hasn’t displayed that creativity against a single proven opponent. Not one.
And yeah, Poirier just took a dump on the FW rankings. So did Nunes. You’d think the lesson would be that the WEC wasn’t actually that talented, but apparently that obvious fact still eludes.
by VirtualBalboa on Jan 2, 2011 1:35 AM EST up reply actions
The lighter weight classes are just not established or organized enough
To decisively make a decent ranking.
Accustomed to mediocrity.
How do guys in a weight class beating other guys in the same weight class
prove that the division lacks talent?
I don't want to say he's dirty, but Forrest Griffin looks like directly after a workout his crotch might resemble a cajun swamp.
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i normally use twitter just to follow people, but i had to tweet Dana, Gray deserves a rematch
“@danawhite Gray deserves a rematch, Pettis is young he will get his shot, Edgar vs Maynard deserves it’s trilogy, please make it happen”
Thank god.
arielhelwani It seems like the general consensus within the organization is Pettis gets Edgar next.
How is this "Thank God?"
I really really don’t understand why Pettis needs to get a shot.
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by Neil Manich on Jan 2, 2011 1:22 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
aye, it sucks
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Only one solution to make everone happy:
Book an immediate rematch for Edgar/Maynard and put Pettis up against Guida. Guida should have a pretty good chance of beating him and with 4 wins he’ll be knocking on the top 10 and look like a worthy contender. And the Zuffa brass won’t complain because he’s probably the most marketable LW not named BJ they got.
by John Nash on Jan 2, 2011 1:25 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I was told by someone at Zuffa I was a “fucking idiot” for even suggesting they not give Pettis a shot. We need the power of Twitter on this!
by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 2, 2011 1:26 AM EST up reply actions
lol
Isn’t that the general consensus about you anyway?
Kidding
by TooLegitToQuit on Jan 2, 2011 1:27 AM EST up reply actions
Is that like the Power of Shazam
I agree with you but unfortunately I don’t tweet. Some of you guys will have to pick up the slack. I’ll do my part by sitting on the sideline and not screwing shit up.
by John Nash on Jan 2, 2011 1:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
No one will do it. That’s fine. We’ll see the power of the ESPN highlight, something 100’s of athletes are featured in every day and how well it helps a fight draw 6 months after the fact.
by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 2, 2011 1:33 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If SC can get them to stop Lesnar/Mir 3 by tweeting… wait they aren’t coaching TUF are they?
I don’t get why they’re so adamant about Pettis unless he’s already signed to coach TUF. And if selling ppvs is all they care about then Guida’s an even better option who is actually more deserving which shows you how sad it all really is.
by John Nash on Jan 2, 2011 1:46 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Snowden just revealed his UFC source: Dana White himself.
by smoogy2 on Jan 2, 2011 1:34 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Dana only curses about me to others…sponsorships story was not popular at the old Zuffa HQ.
by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 2, 2011 1:54 AM EST up reply actions
Doesn't make Pettis happy
But that’s ok. Kind of weird giving Clay a title fight after shot after what Kenny did to him so fresh in my memory as well.
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I’m not saying Clay really deserves a shot but it’s a consolation prize to Zuffa. They’ll have to love the idea of Guida earning a title match.
by John Nash on Jan 2, 2011 1:50 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ariel Helwani
Craig just said via Dana: Anthony Pettis will get the next lightweight title shot.
by xDieseLx on Jan 2, 2011 1:27 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Disappointing
But I guess if Pettis wins then we will see Edgar/Maynard III.
Accustomed to mediocrity.
I guess I feel bad for him...
Not really, though.
by TooLegitToQuit on Jan 2, 2011 1:28 AM EST up reply actions
I don't blame him
Has to win eight straight for a shot, fight ends in a draw, and now his boss apparently thinks a rematch is a dumb idea. That doesn’t make for a good day.
Much respect for coming out with a different style and nearly winning with it
But his inability to finish might have cost him. Shouldn’t have punched himself out but taken Edgar’s back while rocked and proceeded with the pounding.
Accustomed to mediocrity.
I don't think we can knock his finishing ability
He threw everything at Frankie in that first round and that the fight continues was more a testament to the set of stones Frankies walking around with rather than Gray’s seeming inability to finish.
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he left his heart out there and came back with a draw decision
and is getting royally fucked, bj got a rematch, machida got a rematch, but maynard doenst get a rematch? why not?
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by milk72 on Jan 2, 2011 1:34 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
You know why
because Dana wanted those guys to win.
OHHHHH! OH MY GOODNESS DID YOU SEE THAT?! He ran up the wall like a ninja and landed a high kick! Unbelievable! I've never seen anything like that, it's like something out of a movie!
by lowellthehammer on Jan 2, 2011 1:40 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not even a Maynard fan, and this is bullshit
Also, Rua got the rematch.
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at the very, very end of the broadcast...
…like the 2:58 mark, right before the legalese pops up, sure looked like Frankie may have been crying as well….can’t blame him, got his ass kicked royally in round 1, battled back to win 4 consecutive rounds in many books, all for a draw…..bitter pill to swallow….
by BrothersGottaAndyHug on Jan 2, 2011 1:50 AM EST up reply actions
I say give Gray an immediate fight with the Edgar Pettis winner
I had the fight even coming into round five and scored the final frame a draw. Anthony Pettis and Benson Henderson were also even coming into the last round. What was the difference? Pettis pulled off the most clutch move in MMA history to leave no doubt in the judges minds. Edgar and Maynard didn’t do that. As much as we need a rematch, the cluch showtime performance, which made ESPN’s top ten of the entire year, shouldn’t be penalized.
Let Gray fight the winner. Aussie George and Jim Miller can sort out who deserves a shot after all this.
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Instant Rematch or
Maynard agrees to wait for Edgar/Pettis to resolve.
I thought it kinda disrespectful but still poetic when Edgar dropped the belt after Dana gave it to him. DW didn’t even put it round his waist….
Round-by-round
Round 1: 10-8 Maynard
Round 2: 10-9 Edgar
Round 3: 10-9 Maynard
Round 4: 10-9 Edgar
Round 5: 10-9 Edgar
I can see this
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how did you give round 3 to maynard?
edgar controlled the stand up for 4 minutes then gray got a takedown. he did nothing wih the takedown and frankie had 2 sub attempts and nearly ended it if it wasnt for the bell.
fair enough if after getting the takedown if there was some gnp or even lnp (to make a case for the round) but there wasnt. the takedown put gray in a bad position if anything. i dont understand how you can give gray that round for a takedown
Fightmetric and plenty of MMA journalist gave round three to Maynard, it’s not that big of a stretch.
regardless of that do you honestly believe a takedown is better than a tight sub? then add on the fact that edgar was winning the stand up…
I didn’t think Edgar was really winning the stand up in the third so right off we have a real difference of opinion without the takedown coming into it. It was a real close round.
Everyone sees things differently, the point is that scoring the third for Maynard isn’t that big of a stretch, lots of people did including the people who generate the fight statistics(heck even Dana White called it that way).
i agree the 3rd was dificult to score. lets just say the stand up was even or very slightly in favour of either fighter it doesnt really matter, my opinion is that gray did nothing with the takedown whereas edgar attempted subs and nearly finished him. i just think the takedown isnt a round winner if you nearly get subbed because of it so i favour edgar for nearly finishing the fight rather than gray for a td
We don’t know if Edgar nearly finished the fight or not, that’s the problem with sub attempts that get cut off like that. Gray actually had two takedowns at the end of the round as Edgar got up and he put him back down, not sure how that would score but i would think that two completed takedowns would generally be seen as being worth more than two sub-attempts or at the very least they would negate each other.
Maynard easily...
Won the third.
Maynard is on crack if he thinks he won the fifth, though.
by Applejack McNeil on Jan 2, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
Christ
Another guy calling out Wanderlei Silva.
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What a brave American showing us the American way: look for a victim and the easy way out!
by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 2, 2011 1:38 AM EST up reply actions
It's time for another grassroots movement
We fans prevented Lesnar-Mir III, and I think we can give Gray the rematch he deserves.
I'm just a 16 year old kid who loves MMA.
by bcpjkell on Jan 2, 2011 1:40 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
well, if there was ever a reaseon to sign
well, if there was ever a reason to sign up for twitter….
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Great fucking fight
had it a draw, but leaning slightly towards Frankie.
I would love to see this ahead of Pettis v. Edgar, and I really hope it happens. One of the best fights I have ever seen.
am i the only one that is seeing the irony in this fight? almost no fan hype because Frankie and Maynard are “boring lay and pray/jab and run fighters.” and it’s one of the most highly contested and highly entertaining fights ever.
:)
So Dana White...
Is an asshole when he doesn’t give the winner of Fitch/Alves the title shot like he promised but he’ll be an awesome dude for not giving the winner of Henderson/Pettis the title shot like he promised?
Brain=Exploded
by Applejack McNeil on Jan 2, 2011 1:44 AM EST reply actions
who said not to give Petis a title shot, just that Maynard vs Edgar 2 needs to come first to get a definitive winner.
"Like he promised"...
Implies the NEXT title shot.
by Applejack McNeil on Jan 2, 2011 1:47 AM EST up reply actions
Which Dana has already said is going to happen tonight, Pettis is getting the shot. I assume you are just grouching on stuff Snowden has said but damn talking pot shots at Snowden something you could make a career out of.
So are you happy about Gray Maynard getting screwed by the situation?
I just think it's...
Funny that two similar, albeit admittedly different situations, are met with completely different reactions.
I would be a fucking idiot to not want to see Edgar/Maynard III.
by Applejack McNeil on Jan 2, 2011 1:55 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe Dana should stop announcing title fights before the fights are ready?
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Surely there’s a relevant difference between deciding not to award a promised title shot because you don’t like the winner, and delaying a promised title shot because an instant classic title fight ended with an nigh-unprecedented draw (only one other title fight has gone to a draw in UFC history, two if you count the old superfight title).
Makes sense to seek a definitive conclusion before moving on to the next challenger, no?
by JRN on Jan 2, 2011 1:51 AM EST up reply actions
Like I said...
Up above, I’m not really passionate about this either way, I’m just making giggles.
In two fight’s time, we’ll have a definitive conclusion between Edgar/Maynard/Pettis.
by Applejack McNeil on Jan 2, 2011 1:57 AM EST up reply actions
Posted on another thread but added one more sentence
I think the UFC does not want to back down on their promise to give the Bendo/Pettis winner the unification title shot and they also don’t want to devalue the WEC belt (although it should be devalued).
There should be a rubber match but I can see why they gave it to Pettis or else the UFC would be gunning for having every weight class have issues with who is getting a title shot. Don’t make promises you know you might not keep.
Accustomed to mediocrity.
See, I don't get that
They had no problem “devaluing” Condit’s belt.
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The same number of people were watching it when it died. Maybe the truth is that it wasn’t all that much ever?
by VirtualBalboa on Jan 2, 2011 1:53 AM EST up reply actions
No no no, you are crazy my friend.
Definitely not the same number of people were watching it when it died, not even close.
Epic Fail
by xMMAxTYSONxMMA on Jan 2, 2011 1:54 AM EST up reply actions
Have you checked the ratings?
Because he’s right. If the WEC was gaining traction it wouldn’t have been absorbed.
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Ok with ratings, what im saying
is not the same amount of people were watching it.
Like i said, my place, i would buy the pay per view, show it and there would be 10 to 20 viewers. By the end there would be hundreds. But still im only one buyer.
I was talking about the number of people seeing it. Don’t believe everything you read kiddo
by xMMAxTYSONxMMA on Jan 2, 2011 1:57 AM EST up reply actions
That made no sense at all. The WEC didn’t catch on. The level of fighter in the 155 class didn’t improve. It’s the same set of fighters and the idea that their belts are being unified is silly.
by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 2, 2011 1:59 AM EST up reply actions
Well they only had one WEC PPV so it might have been hard for you to see different numbers for their PPV events. Maybe you have a restaurant in the one place in the world that caught WEC fever. In the rest of the world the ratings are the ratings.
by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 2, 2011 2:02 AM EST up reply actions
Lol what?
Well than i must be in the wrong place or the right place, and it is catching on seeing that the UFC is finally making its way to seattle. Where im located.
by xMMAxTYSONxMMA on Jan 2, 2011 2:03 AM EST up reply actions
You DO realize that...
WEC =/= UFC, right?
My boss watches UFC every once in a while but has probably never even heard of WEC.
by Applejack McNeil on Jan 2, 2011 2:05 AM EST up reply actions
Can you read?
Do you know how to put things together?
Im not talking about the 155 division, im talking WEC as a whole. He said same number of people were watching it when it died. That right there my friend is wrong.
And if you don’t think the 155 division talent grew, you don’t know what talent is. It did “grow”.
by xMMAxTYSONxMMA on Jan 2, 2011 2:02 AM EST up reply actions
I understand that it might not have
“been all that much” but it definitely grew with fans. I own a restaurant and we play the fights.
I would see maybe 10 to 20 people there for WEC fights early on. By the time it died it would be jam packed, no seats, reservations needed for the WEC fights just like the UFC fights that we have.
by xMMAxTYSONxMMA on Jan 2, 2011 1:56 AM EST up reply actions
I said this last year
But if BJ Penn were still the champion I don’t think we have a unification belt.
Accustomed to mediocrity.
Are you kidding me?
I had no dog in this fight. I could care less who won it. But Frankie Edgar won this fight. Maynard was gassed by round 2 and brought nothing to the table for 4 rounds.
Whoever thinks Gray won this fight should watch the fight again. Frankie won this fight.
The ratings might not be so great for this one
But i’m pretty sure after people see the fight itself Maynard Edgar 3 will catch some serious ratings.. there was nothing to not like about the fight
THat's a ridiculous statement
EIther it’s a draw, or a Maynard victory. That’s it.
I'm glad I bought this fight
I only bought it for Gomi, but I was happy with the final results. Maynard/Edgar should never be disrespected for their styles again.
Here's a question
What if Edgar wins the next one? There could be a fourth fight, because they would then have one win a piece.
Pettis hasn't fought a legit top 10 guy?
Fuck, he hasn’t fought a legit top 25 guy. Ben Henderson has struggled greatly against other unranked fighters (Cerrone, Varner, Roller). Pettis is a unique and interesting talent, but you’re being too kind to his resume.
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You are correct. I think Pettis is a good prospect though.
by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 2, 2011 2:23 AM EST up reply actions
wtf
Bendo finished all the opponents you claim he struggled against? I know it is cool to shit on the WEC after the fact, but come the hell on good sir.
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by The Blackula on Jan 2, 2011 2:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
ufc 125 "resolution"
kinda ironic considering how at the end of the night we were left with absolutely nothing resolved. there were no answers and absolutely no resolution. these two lightweights are on a meteoric rise destined to be rivals like superman and lex luther or batman and the joker. of course we need an immediate rematch. of course pettis can wait.
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by Johnathan Willis on Jan 2, 2011 2:26 AM EST reply actions
Snowden STEALING gimmicks
I implore you to write to Dana White on twitter and ask him to do the right thing. Pettis can wait until there is a true winner in this epic battle between Edgar and Maynard. I, for one, would like five more rounds of top notch action from the best fighters on the planet. Let the champion and his challenger settle the score first – then give Pettis his time in the spotlight. This is what the sport has been waiting for, our first chance at an epic trilogy, the kind that define legacies in boxing. Let’s see it Dana.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 2, 2011 2:28 AM EST up reply actions
What? They say he told his boys Pettis then bolted.
by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 2, 2011 2:30 AM EST up reply actions
Nah, changed his mind
Edgar/Maynard III, then Pettis
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 2, 2011 2:31 AM EST up reply actions
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