Fedor's Manager Requests Drug Testing for Heavyweight Semi-Finals
by Nick Thomas on Jan 19, 2011 12:52 PM EST
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Vadim Finkelstein talks to Sports.ru: (roughly translated by Google)
"The only thing I said and will say, Fedor - is clean. He trains in the mountains, to improve endurance, and from the eight fighters, they have already caught two for doping - Josh Barnett and Antonio Silva. And surely someone else uses it, while they insist that it is all the same, to have equal strength."
"We have never shied away from a particular battle, I just want for his fighter to be professional opponent, "not a chemist." Today doping can significantly add speed and endurance. We just want all parties to the Grand Prix and potential rivals to play by the rules."
"Terms of the tournament are determined, the grid is painted. Although, if Fedor will be in the semi-finals, I plan to insist on a thorough verification of the opponent on drugs. You know, I experienced a lot of problems when there was a struggle with Josh Barnett, and do not want this situation again. I then had a lot of money to lose on advertising and a big problem with television. I want this time for everyone to know and be aware of the facts that they will test it very seriously."
Anton Gurevich has more from Vadim at Lowkick.com:
On Contract Negotiations with Showtime:
Ken Hershman and Showtime did a great job in bringing this tournament together. Our previous deal was only with Strikeforce, but now it's a triple deal between us, Strikeforce and Showtime. We had another deal coming up with Showtime, which is related to our M-1 Challenge shows in the US. We will be looking to promote 4 or 5 M-1 Challenge events on Showtime. The deal is not finalized yet, so it's still unofficial. However, I think that in something like two weeks we'll be ready to make an announcement.
On Fedor's Renewed Contract
We have a new contract, which now includes M-1, Strikeforce and Showtime. The contract is for three fights and another as an option. So as for today, the Grand-Prix deal makes the most sense for us. In an interview to Sports.ru Finkelstein adds the following: Fedor has an exit clause in his contract if he gets into a losing streak.
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And so it begins.
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by ChiCubs23 on Jan 19, 2011 10:03 AM EST via mobile reply actions 33 recs
Ha ha. Was going to type the exact same thing.
Not that I condone facism or any ism for that matter. Isms are in my opinion, not good. A person shouldn't believe in an ism, he should believe in himself.
I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me". Good point there, after all he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. Wouldn't change the fact I have to bum rides off of people.
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Dammit Finkle**** you bloody elbow cootie queen! You need to be taken out behind the shed, tied to a stake witch burning style and your hair cut, seriously it looks ridiculous. And when that’s all over we can put Fedor out of his misery
/end rant :)
by Kevin Jennison J. Zametov-St Pierre on Jan 19, 2011 10:20 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
+2
Was going to say the exact same thing
by karmaportrait on Jan 19, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
there really is nothing left to be said.
If it seems like everyone around you is an asshole, you are probably an asshole.
in fairness
to look at his body, fedor is not on drugs, and barnett is a big time user.
i know we don’t like this dude, but i’d give him the benefit of the doubt. for now.
This is always a stupid line of thinking
most of the people popped for PEDs you would never know by looking at their bodies.
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by Chris Barton on Jan 19, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
^^^This^^^
Is EXACTLY right…
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Jan 19, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
fedor has the same body type as baby fedor.
people need to stop using the eyeball test when it comes to roids, it isn’t very effective.
Cliff....
How do you explain David Ortiz on the Red Sox then? Caught doping but he is a chunky muddah funker
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And Bigfoot
And Barnett
And…
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Jan 19, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
Also Barnett
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Jan 19, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
Coker had all ready said that Barnett would be tested before and after each fight. How many of these guys are going to states they have licences in? Won’t they all have to give a sample any ways to get licensed? How do we know testing wasn’t already in the contacts? From what I have seen the fink is just regurgitating the terms of the contracts. Not some thing new.
"And surely someone else uses it"
I have no idea what Vadim means by this.
Fight Rankings - I don't know more about MMA than you, but I'll certainly pretend that I do.
This must be it.
Fight Rankings - I don't know more about MMA than you, but I'll certainly pretend that I do.
So, Vadim has no problem with Fedor fighting a verified steroid cheat in the first round, and possibly a three-time loser in the finals, but the only guy they seemed concerned with is the guy who has never pissed hot. Makes sense.
by Steve4192 on Jan 19, 2011 10:08 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
Let the ducking groundwork begin...
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Jan 19, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
What else floats in water?
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Jan 19, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Vadim
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Jan 19, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
not with concrete shoes!
"I'm from the Fox News school of media discourse," explained White. "If you tell people your version of the truth enough times, and yell while you do it, eventually they start to believe it. Remember when I saved MMA?"
Thus far
it is still him fitting people for them, not the other way around.
But as a pilot friend of mine puts it about that, err, line of work:
“great pay, lousy retirement plan…”
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Jan 19, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
This new learning amazes me, Sir Monte Fisto. Explain again how sheep’s bladders may be employed to prevent UFC counterprogramming.
by CaptnAmerca on Jan 19, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Glad to know I'm not the only Python nerd on BE.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Jan 19, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
This a rhetorical question?
They made a video game about Yakuzas. It’s called Yakuza. And it’s about Yakuza
I have tickets for the Feb 12th show...
and lets just say I’m really happy I’m seeing the first event of this tournament before it has a chance to go to hell.
The part of me that loves to see the naivety and ineptitude of Scott Coker railroad head first into failure is laughing out loud right now…
but the part of my what wants to see some good HW fights, at a time when the UFC’s division is banged up, is saddened.
Why hate Vadim Finkelstein? What's wrong with what he's saying?
We just want all parties to the Grand Prix and potential rivals to play by the rules.
Excuse my emotional, reactionary, fanatic output but Pettis will be the next UFC lightweight champion. Period.
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VEe is ANIMated!
Because he's a hypocrite and basically just trying to avoid Overeem
Remember, he was willing to fight Barnett with no extra testing. (a known user). However, they wanted olympic style testing to fight Overeem . (someone never caught using.) This shows that it is not about the steroids, but the fighter.
by Bob Loblaw TX on Jan 19, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
To be fair, Overeem is, like, STUPID BIG.
If it seems like everyone around you is an asshole, you are probably an asshole.
How much does he way?
Brock Lesner is 265 and he’s a thick dude. Overeem seems a lil taller than Lesner just more chisled from a fallen rock from Mt. olympus.
They made a video game about Yakuzas. It’s called Yakuza. And it’s about Yakuza
Overeem is 250 - 255
And he was 228 when he fought Werdum almost 5 years ago.
No matter how anyone looks at it, anyone who knows anything at all about training knows that there is nothing peculiar about gaining 25-30 pounds of lean mass over a 3+ year period after starting serious strength training.
Now, if he gained it over 4-6 months at his age, that is something that would be fairly unusual (but not impossible) without AAS, hGH or the like.
Having said all of this, is there any reason to think these fighters weren’t going to be tested anyway, like almost any other sanctioned MMA fight in the US?
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Jan 19, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
With the way Strikeforce appeared to be shopping around for commissions trying to find out where Barnett could fight I wouldn’t be so sure about that last question. It makes it look like to me they are making a point to avoid certain commissions. So I think there is reason to question whether Strikeforce is 100% committed to making sure fighters are properly tested. Not to mention Coker talking about Japan being a possible location for one of the tournament rounds.
Just BE.
Perhaps so, but
much like when Reem fought Rogers, I think SF steps up and insures everyone is tested even if they fight somewhere that doesn’t test everyone already.
I don’t know the details of their agreement, but surely the Showtime deal to televise M-1 events will provide sufficient leverage to deter any real posturing by M-1.
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Jan 19, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
cough *frank mir* cough
Just saying ..
MegaMir got fuckin ronnie coleman big in less than 6 months while training with Pudzowski(sp?)
"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."
by the-gentle-way on Jan 19, 2011 11:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly
And I am not familiar with his training habits, but if he was already doing heavy resistance training before, and at his age, I can’t say for sure he was using anything, but I can say I have never seen someone like that put on 25+ pounds of lean mass over 6 months without using, not even particularly close.
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Jan 19, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
Thats not exactly true
Look how lean the Mir who came in at UFC 100 was…then look at the Mir who came in aganst Kongo. A good portion of the weight he put on was just normal weight he would have ordinarily shed. I’m not saying there’s no way he was juicing…but it’s not as outlandish as it seems
by MemphisMike on Jan 19, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
ummmm yeah about that.....
He had ABS at well over 265. A fool I am not. Some muscles are made in the gym,some in the kitchen and some in the lab ;-).
By the way I liked MegaMir. It just is what it is bud.
"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."
by the-gentle-way on Jan 19, 2011 1:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Well I’m at work and googling “Shirtless Frank Mir” might not be the best idea…but I seem to remember him looking real strong, but softer than at UFC 100. Not that it matters to me, I’m not a big anti-steroids guy to begin with, plus I too liked MegaMir. If Mike Russow juiced though…well then life just ain’t worth living
Here's Mir's weigh-in pic
http://mmaaddicts.com/dann/ufc-111-st-pierre-hardy/frank-mir.jpg
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Jan 19, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
Let me preface this by saying
I am in no way saying that Mir used AAS’ or hGH, but when one does do an AAS cycle correctly for size and strength (meaning with an appropriate training and diet plan), to maximize gains there will generally be some excess fat and water weight at the end of the cycle, regardless of the precautions taken.
FWIW, iirc Mir actually had to cut to 265 for this one, although I believe he dropped the extra weight and mass pretty quickly after the loss…
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Jan 19, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
You missed this part?
You know, I experienced a lot of problems when there was a struggle with Josh Barnett, and do not want this situation again
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by Chris Barton on Jan 19, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
That's what he is saying
He wants them tested so it doesn’t happen again…
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by Chris Barton on Jan 19, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Of course
they have no issue facing proven cheaters who they are convinced Fedor can beat, perhaps its the no-proof-whatsoever Overeem who they fear to put him in there against…
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Jan 19, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
Because
if they fought in DREAM there would be no commission that would pop Josh and cost M1 a boatload of cash.
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by Chris Barton on Jan 19, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Because this has happened before. We know exactly what is going to happen. They are going to insist on the drug testing(for ‘certain’ people) Then Overeem will refuse unless everyone in sf is tested the same way as well, And for fun lets just say maybe one of them may piss hot(i’m looking at you Barnett!). The fact that they are saying they want it before the semi’s make it the biggest joke of all. They are fine fighting Silva without any testing?
Athletic commissions do drug screenings already, he is asking for “special screenings” to start at the semi-finals. He’s basically accusing Overeem of being on steroids before the first round of the tournament has even started without directly stating that. They apparently have no problem fighting Silva with no extra screening even though Silva is one of the one’s he calls out for failing past drug test. Why not ask for this screening in the first round too?
And surely someone else uses it, while they insist that it is all the same, to have equal strength."
The worst thing is that they do this knowing full well that Overeem will refuse. Well, he will refuse unless everyone on the entire card gets the same testing done. I definately agree that this is a clear exit strategy.
As for the first round, I believe they aren’t taking Bigfoot seriously enough. I really hope for a Silva upset this fight!
Yep it’s just a potential exit/re-negotiation strategy for them that Vadim is setting up. If he was really worried about drug testing then he would be worried about it in the first round where they actually fight someone who has tested positive not the semi-final round.
Semi/Quarters
Is it possible that he is referencing the good tesing in the semi-finals because the quarters are being held in NJ, but the semis they will very likely be shopping around to less stringent commissions so that Barnett can compete?
by Jay Bittner on Jan 19, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
They will have to commission shop for Barnett in the first round too. The semi-final round will be Fedor vs Werdum or Overeem and Vadim has called one of those two a “steroid bully” in the last year. It’s pretty blatant what he is after here.
Yes, they will in the first round too, but Fedor’s opponent in the first round will be held to the usual NJ commission testing. I read it as they want everyone being tested(and I agree, being that SF is pulling this BS commission shopping, which should not even be a viable option.). They have one guy popped 3 times now, and one guy who is obviously under alot of scrutiny for PEDs… Hey! Let’s take them somewhere with a lax commission and hide from the real ones! I agree with Vadim.
Oh I agree on the commission shopping thing too, it’s the waiting for the semi-finals that doesn’t make sense. I would want to see Barnett tested in the first round before he even got started into this. It doesn’t make sense to not ask for it from the very start.
I agree
But the semifinals is when Fedor may possibly be fighting in the pretty much commission-less environment. So I understand it as that’s their demands for his opponents, that they’re tested the same as if it were in NJ, LV, CA, etc. Silva will be in the quarters, so it’s a non-issue.
At this point
Should this occur, I think Fedor falls farther from relevance and is simply replaced by one of the reserves and everything goes on, with the obvious implication that M-1 has serious doubts about Fedor’s ability to beat Reem.
Had this happened pre-Werdum, they would have some leverage, but now, simply replace him with a reserve and more on…
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Jan 19, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
If M1 was really ducking the Reem, then they WOULD test each round
Why would they try to bother him with one drug test instead of two?
Well, maybe its because
testing =/= not fighting him, when there is ZERO reason to think he won’t pass it.
What they appear to be angling to do is to irritate him into going elsewhere (K-1) with their PBF approach to moving the goal posts via testing.
Its going to be Fedor and Nick Diaz with their unreasonable demands against Overeem and Mayhem…
Don’t be scared homie
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-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Jan 19, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Mayhem Miller would approve this message.
"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
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by the-gentle-way on Jan 19, 2011 1:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Where did you read that?
About the “special screenings”? I know it says this is a rough translation from google, have you seen more elsewhere?
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Jan 19, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Note: Vadim Finkelstein was asked about Olympic Drug Testing, but never used the term in his answer. In an interview to Sports.ru, Finkelstein says the main goal is to ensure a fair competition for Fedor, and not to push for some sort of specific testing.
So if he isn’t wanting “specific” testing beyond what athletic commissions already do why make a fuss about any of this at all?
Maybe
he is afraid Coker is going to put some of these fights in a “wild west commission” state.
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by Chris Barton on Jan 19, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
There has only been half the first round scheduled yet, Why would he specify the semi-final round instead of having the same for everyone for every round? The tournament hasn’t even started yet Vadim is specifically saying he wants this in the next round…. How is that not odd?
Oh jesus
Look at the statements. Translation engrish. We can’t analyze the nuances of his language here because we can’t even be sure what those truly mean or the context. You’re goofy and paranoid.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 19, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
Because that is all we have to go with for a discussion. Why are you getting bent out of shape about a discussion in a comments section? If you have a better translation then please feel free to provide it.
I've got more
I don’t need to know the context to know you don’t either, but matter fact ;
“Two out of eight fighters in the tournament previously failed a drug test. Obviously, I’m talking about Josh Barnett and Antonio Silva. We want fair competition for everyone, so that’s why I will ask the commission to perform a strict drug testing. Fedor is not using any kind of substance to enhance his performance, and will be ready for any kind of testing. So if the commission decides to follow our suggestion, we’ll be ready.”
Looks like he does reference his first round opponent anyway, which blows to fucking hell your "semi final only" line of thinking here.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 19, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
No the fact that he references his first round opponent and then references the second round for when the testing is supposed to be equal for everyone is my entire point. Why would he not want the same testing in the first round when they are actually facing a person who tested positive as opposed to the second round when neither opponent has ever tested positive for anything?
When did he imply he didn't want first round testing?
Obviously, I’m talking about Josh Barnett and Antonio Silva. We want fair competition for everyone, so that’s why I will ask the commission to perform a strict drug testing.
Dude…enough.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 19, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Terms of the tournament are determined, the grid is painted. Although, if Fedor will be in the semi-finals, I plan to insist on a thorough verification of the opponent on drugs.
Did you not see this part?
Obviously, I’m talking about Josh Barnett and Antonio Silva. We want fair competition for everyone, so that’s why I will ask the commission to perform a strict drug testing
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 19, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
You keep ducking the obvious...
IF it were actually Barnett and Bigfoot M-1 was concerned about, they would have pushed for whatever testing they are wanting to be for the first round, not the second.
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Jan 19, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
what the fuck....I don't even...
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 19, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
what the fuck….I don’t even…
Clearly, which is the point I (and others) are making about your argument here…
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Jan 19, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
NJ
Because the first round(the fedor half) is being held in a state with and actual viable athletic commission, not some po-dunk town in the midwest with no commission.
Is the other half of the first round being held somewhere like that? Because if Barnett is the issue then wouldn’t you want him tested like that from the very start?
Yes
From Coker’s standpoint. From M-1’s, they are only worried about the opponents in the ring with Fedor. His opponent in round 1 will be tested. So the next worry is the semi-finals.
Terms of the tournament are determined, the grid is painted. Although, if Fedor will be in the semi-finals, I plan to insist on a thorough verification of the opponent on drugs.
Look I can directly quote too, if he is worried about Barnett and Silva then why is he saying that he will ask for this if Fedor makes the semi-final round? Barnett and Silva will be fighting in the first round too, wouldn’t you want to make sure everyone was tested right from the very start?
Well
the round scheduled isn’t in a “wild west” commission.
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by Chris Barton on Jan 19, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
EXACTLY
Fedor’s fight is not, it’s in NJ. But the other half of the first round will be. And if Barnett wins, the semifinals will be too, according to Coker. So they want to make sure testing is done as it SHOULD be, not just thrown to the wayside having Barnett and Reem fighting only in wild west commissions.
Nobody knows
Which is probably WHY Fedor’s camp is concerned. They don’t want to fight a previously caught juicer in a non-tested jurisdiction, and I find it hard to blame them.
God helps us all if Barnett wins his side of the bracket during the SF Azerbaijan and barge-in-the-ocean cards.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 19, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
They don’t want to fight a previously caught juicer in a non-tested jurisdiction, and I find it hard to blame them.
No joke. It must seem crazy to them. "Hey we know we have proven cheaters in this tourny and you might fight them. In order to fight them we’ll need to shop to shady commissions. That’s cool right?
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by Chris Barton on Jan 19, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
Honestly
Including Barnett in this thing could turn out to be what sinks it. I severely doubt Fedor/Barnett taking place somewhere like Alabama just to satisfy Josh’s commission issues. The guy already juiced once before you were scheduled to fight – now Coker expects M-1 to do Barnett favors?
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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 19, 2011 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
If it does come down to Fedor and Barnett I think they might do it anyway. They were willing to fight him in Japan. I have a feeling M1 has zero fear of Josh.
Then again, after a loss shit changes.
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by Chris Barton on Jan 19, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
There is no God
And I’d love for the tourney to play out as scheduled.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 19, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
we agree on two things here
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 19, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
And I’d love for the tourney to play out as scheduled.
I think that’s what gets me when people come after me for hating on this thing. These discussions come from the standpoint of “I hope this doesn’t screw up the tournament” not “I hope the tournament fails”. By goodness I just want to see the fights and all this other crap threatens that.
Which is probably WHY Fedor’s camp is concerned.
If Vadim was concerned about that then he wouldn’t of said this:
Terms of the tournament are determined, the grid is painted. Although, if Fedor will be in the semi-finals, I plan to insist on a thorough verification of the opponent on drugs.He would of wanted Barnett tested from the very start. Why only worry about testing Barnett in the semi-finals, he needs to be tested before he even starts this.
That way, you can still get a win or two and then not fight the juiced guy that won the other side of the bracket.
We’ll see. If you don’t see this as a possible obstacle, I admire your tunnel vision.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 19, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
Well the leading sites for Barnett’s first fight are Chicago and Toronto. Which one do you guys want to piss of by telling them they are a bunch of backward fucks? BTW neither one is actually in the west.
First fucking city that licenses Barnett gets shit talked
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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 19, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
It is possible
That Fink is simply speaking out to spur SF to announce uniform testing, regardless of commission or lack thereof.
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by The American Ronin on Jan 19, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
What?
Where at any point did I claim to know where the fights would be scheduled? The only place that has actually been mentioned by name by Coker(specifically for the semi-finals if I recall) as far as I know is Japan… where there are no commissions. What he HAS said is that he will shop around to commissions that will license Barnett, which means avoiding places like NJ, NV, CA, etc. where the commissions actually do test appropriately. Don’t put words in my mouth, I never once claimed to know where the fights are occurring.
I just know I’ll be at the Feb 12th ones live!
There is always the possibility that he is bringing this up because Strikeforce has discussed the possibility of doing the semi-finals in Japan where there is no commission.
shhh
gets in the way of their evil russian narrative
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 19, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
Sure that’s always a possibility but lets be real that’s a long shot and it doesn’t change anything about the fact that the actual commission shopping issue with Barnett is for his first round fight. Half the first round hasn’t even been scheduled yet.
To me it seems apparent that Vadim’s testing jabs at Overeem are really jabs at Boon. Those too really dislike each other, I don’t think M-1 will skip out on even a fight with Overeem in the semi-finals – they need to get on ppv too bad and Fedor is no longer the “Last Emperor” who they can hold out for better deals. But that doesn’t mean he can’t do some gamesmanship first with Golden Glory.
by John Nash on Jan 19, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Exactly 100% you win the internet discussion prize. This is directed directly at Overeem and Golden Glory. I doubt Vadim gives a crap about making sure that everyone is tested equally he just wants to sock it to Boon and Overeem if they meet in the semi-finals.
I got six gigs of these
the trade off in IRL self esteem may not be worth it though.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 19, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
Me too
The Internet doesn’t have any.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 19, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe
Fedor is now saying he’s not going to go against a guy that hasn’t been tested.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 19, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
Same place Brock said he was going to do Wrestlemania
Wait, we never got a direct quote on that? We all had to infer and go off of context clues?
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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 19, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
So you admit he didn’t say that. As a writer shouldn’t you at least try to be above just spouting shit?
Does the preface "Maybe" mean anything to you?
It’s speculation, based on Vadim’s words.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 19, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
because he has to look like he deserves a paycheck… he is the leonard ellerbie of mma.
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by MattParker117 on Jan 19, 2011 10:26 AM EST reply actions 5 recs
ahhh of course
Who knew this was coming… next we have overeem beating werdum but wanting to take time off (k1 or dream) before fedor…. Oh this is such fun yay SF
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On the surface, I agree with this.
2 out of the 8 participants have been caught using steroids in the past. It makes sense to test them again, and if you’re already testing a quarter of the participants, why not just test the others too?
Of course, this is all coming from The Fink, so it might just be M-1’s exit strategy.
Athletic commissions already do drug testing, he’s wanting something more comprehensive but only starting in the semi-final round……… Being that Vadim called Overeem a steroid bully last year and started a big firestorm it’s hard to not imagine what he is trying to get at here.
Semis
This could be due to his quarter final bout being held in NJ, whereas they are shopping around potential quarters to any random not-stringent commission that will let Barnett fight.
by Jay Bittner on Jan 19, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
Barnett is still fighting in the first round too, Even if him and Fedor win out they wouldn’t face each other until the finals. Do you think Vadim is saying that he is ok with Barnett not being stringently tested for the opening round before fighting Brett Rogers but demands him be stringently tested for the semi-final round before he would face Arlovski or Kharitonov?
You don’t even know what the context is or what he exactly says. Cut ze crap.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 19, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
I am going by the context of what has been said. If you have any more context then please fill free to provide it, if not then you can cut out your own crap or actually discuss what is going on here. Why would Vadim want everyone in the tournament tested “equally” but only starting in the semi-final round?
I don’t even know if he means semi-final round as we understand it. This was translated by fucking google.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 19, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
So provide a better translation then. It’s a discussion in the comments section, all we have to go by is the article (and every single site is posting the same translation of this). We can discuss what we are given or we can sit on our hands and ignore it, I myself don’t find any entertainment in not talking about subjects but you can feel free if you like.
Talking about it rationally
and breaking down the evil motives implied by a dubious translation completely removed from context aint the same thang doggie.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 19, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
the context is missing
My inability to provide it doesn’t make your conspiracy theory any more valid.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 19, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
There is no conspiracy theory, I am going by what we are given. You on the other hand are ranging out into conspiracy area here. I am talking about it rationally and I am even directly quoting statements from it (how was “if Fedor makes it to the semi-final round I plan on asking for this” confusingly translated?). You counter with the old “there is nothing to see here defense” without providing any proof at all that there isn’t anything to see here. Where is the logical discussion in that?
I provide proof he wants all the cheaters tested
It’s cool, ignore it. Whatev. This is maddening.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 19, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
All the “cheaters” won’t be tested if they wait till the second round, including Bigfoot. Is he ok that Barnett may not be testing in the first but then wants it done in the semi’s?
I would post a quote that disproves this but
I coulda sworn I posted it about 50 times already.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 19, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
Posting the same BS over and over
doesn’t make it any more right the last time than it was the first time.
Maybe try to forget all of these comments and simply follow the link to read the entire article to better understand what’s what…
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by The American Ronin on Jan 19, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
You guys love the hell outta each other don’t you? This back and forth is entertaining.
Always leave em laughin
by Bobillarious on Jan 19, 2011 2:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
We do this on occasion...
none of us gets butt-hurt over it (except Mint), so its all good.
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by The American Ronin on Jan 19, 2011 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
I h8 you
u fuckin h8rs better watch it b4 i pop a glock n make a brain slushy.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 19, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
Porn would be very boring if everyone agreed.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 19, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
wow
how bad do we all hate Vadim? seriously, Vadim Finkelstein is the bane of my mma exsistence. He always ruins EVERYTHING. i hate him, i really really hate him.
by Rocejize on Jan 19, 2011 10:43 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
The thing is
I really have no problem with this as long as it’s not JUST the semi-finals.
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I would have no issue with
having consistent testing at all stages and regardless of AC involved, but there is almost no
chance that Olympic-style testing gets implemented here.
Don’t be scared homie…
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by The American Ronin on Jan 19, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Wait
I feel like I am missing something. Where did he ask for Olympic-style testing here?
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by Chris Barton on Jan 19, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
I concur
Athletic commissions do drug screenings already, he is asking for "special screenings" to start at the semi-finals.
who me posted this above, and I asked where he heard that because unless I missed something I don’t see anything more than a request for testing in general.
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by The American Ronin on Jan 19, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
Why would you request stringent testing if athletic commission testing was ok with you? I just used the term “special” to mean that he is wanting more than what is going to happen anyway.
Because maybe he was answered a question
and the memory of the Affliction nonsense is fresh. You’re overly suspicious.
I want this time for everyone to know and be aware of the facts that they will test it very seriously."
He doesn’t seem unsatisfied.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 19, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
So he wants everyone to have extra time to know about it by waiting till the second round of the tournament even though half the first round hasn’t even been scheduled yet and there have been no fights at all so far? Yea that makes a lot of sense.
what? You're making no sense.
None.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 19, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
How am I making no sense? He said semi-final round but they are facing a man who has actually tested positive before in the first round. What’s the point of all of what he is saying here if he is ok with athletic commission testing?
Do you know what he was asked or why he said this?
Do you know anything of the context? Do you not realize he also mentioned testing specifically with Antonio Silva?
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 19, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
Terms of the tournament are determined, the grid is painted. Although, if Fedor will be in the semi-finals, I plan to insist on a thorough verification of the opponent on drugs.
he specifically said “If Fedor makes it to the semi-final round” why would he say that if Bigfoot Silva was part of his problem? If Fedor wins Bigfoot won’t be in the semi-final round.
You're trolling
I’d imagine it’s a translation or context error. It’s the most logical conclusion.
OR
He is suspicious of Overeem’s 50 extra pounds of muscle. Either are reasonable.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 19, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Dude
You don’t get to claim, “context error” when it’s clear Vadim is saying something that contradicts your point. Well… you do GET to say it, it just isn’t rational.
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by Chris Barton on Jan 19, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
He’s been doing this for a while, if he doen’t have a counterpoint then I am just trolling apparently. I don’t get why he gets so upset about internet discussion to start with, I think perhaps he thinks he can win at the internet.
It’s a discussion in the comments section, it’s not trolling if I am making valid points directly quoting the presented information.
Naw,
you’re ignoring the two most logical answers and attributing motives that make NO SENSE to people. He wants first round testing. He said so.
Obviously, I’m talking about Josh Barnett and Antonio Silva. We want fair competition for everyone, so that’s why I will ask the commission to perform a strict drug testing
Again, he said so. Saying he wants testing only in the semis makes no sense. You are either missing something or trolling. There is no other explanation.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 19, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
Or
you’re making up some random “reading between the lines” about him wanting first round testing without actually saying it.
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by Chris Barton on Jan 19, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
Vadim says he wants testing in the first round though
So wait, who is making a point that is contradicted?
Obviously, I’m talking about Josh Barnett and Antonio Silva. We want fair competition for everyone, so that’s why I will ask the commission to perform a strict drug testing
We also could explain this as “hey everyone knows Overeem is a roid fiend and we want to ensure he is clean”
All of that makes more sense than “ohhhhhh semi final means hes going to renegotiate and blow up the tournanment, russians are evil”
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 19, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
In that quote
He never even implies he wants first round drug testing. In fact, in the same interview, he explicitly says he wants it to start in the later round.
I am not talking about his motivations for it. I’m talking about what it actually is.
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by Chris Barton on Jan 19, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
My point is we don't know what that statement really means
It doesn’t make sense. He says he is specifically talking about Silva and then mentions testing. Ok if that means he isn’t specifically talking about Silva and testing then….
what? Dude…what? What? Dude?
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 19, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
We do know what it means
He mentioned Silva because he is also a known cheater. If Silva makes it to the second round he would be expected to be tested as well.
What he says makes sense when you don’t read some extra stuff into it.
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by Chris Barton on Jan 19, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
Fedor is evil.
Vadim has ulterior motives. I’ve been convinced. Whatever. Fedor’s manager specifically mentions testing and his first round opponent, all people focus on is something else that doesn’t fit the context and is probably a mistranslation.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 19, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
You're crazy
Again, I am not talking about his intentions at all. Fedor isn’t evil. I have no inkling of Vadims intentions.
I do know you’re reading extra words into what Vadim said to support your opinion. Which is extra silly because they way you’re manipulating his words makes what he is saying contradictory by your own admission.
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by Chris Barton on Jan 19, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
……
Wow dude.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 19, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
The Silva/1st round argument
He doesn’t bring up the 1st round because Silva WILL be tested in the 1st round. It’s in NJ, so being handled by an actual athletic commission. The issues come in if Barnett wins in round 1 and they go have the 2nd round somewhere wacky(Japan has been discussed, and none of the decent commissions will host it with Barnett involved.).
Exactly
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by Chris Barton on Jan 19, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
Barnett hasn’t even been scheduled for the first round, heck the whole thing about commission shopping was about getting Barnett a license for his first round fight.
Exactly
I think Vadim has issues with some of these guys possibly going the entire tournament without being tested(could theoretically happen if the finals were Reem/Barnett.). Fedor will be tested, so Vadim wants anyone that faces him tested, regardless of where it is.
Vadim has an issue with his potential semi-final round opponent. There is a real history between him and Golden Glory. In my opinion it’s not so much about insuring that everyone is tested as it is at him wanting Overeem tested before that potential fight.
True
There definitely is. I’ve read some of the pretty crazy(and poorly translated, lol) interviews between Vadim and Golden Glory guys talking about each other. There are definite issues there. Either way, as long as he is just asking for normal commission testing, I don’t see much of an issue. Think it’s being blown up some.
He is suspicious of Overeem’s 50 extra pounds of muscle. Either are reasonable
Sorry guy, but he was at 228 before he started bulking up, and he put on 25-30 pounds over a 3+ year period which in no way implies anything about PEDs.
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by The American Ronin on Jan 19, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
You're arguing there is no reason to be suspicious of Overeem and PEDs?
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 19, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
You’re arguing there is no reason to be suspicious of Overeem and PEDs?
Absolutely no more so than any other fighter.
Overeem’s weight along the years:
5/05/06 (vs. Werdum) – 228 pounds.
6/15/08 (vs. Tae Hyun Lee) – 239.4 pounds.
9/23/08 (vs. Cro Cop) – 241.8 pounds.
10/25/09 (vs. Thompson) – 253 pounds.
5/15/10 (vs. Rogers) – 253 pounds.
While obviously I can’t prove something didn’t happen, there is NOTHING remotely unusual with achieving this progression naturally, just as there would be nothing unusual about going from 228 to 253 in under 6 months on a good AAS cycle with the sort of heavy lifting he does.
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by The American Ronin on Jan 19, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
Most of the universe is suspicious of Reem. M-1 has every right to be concerned. I am shocked/disturbed at anyone who isn’t.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 19, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
I am shocked/disturbed at anyone who isn’t.
And as a now-private SC Coach, I am still occasionally shocked and often disturbed by the accusations and implications of those who imagine they can tell whether someone uses AAS’ or hGH based on appearances alone.
I work every day with guys who use every variety of PED and with guys who don’t, and I am all too well aware of the sort of accusations that get thrown at people based on nothing more than what a lay person imagines an AAS user must look like.
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by The American Ronin on Jan 19, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
I wonder why people think M1 doesn’t have the most honest of intentions.
It’s not like they ever had a fighter come to the US in a co-promoted show, who didn’t “look like he was on steroids,” test positive, then go back and fight in M1 cards in Russia while still suspended in the US. They clearly are just looking out for the integrity of the sport at all times.
Oh this is most likely aimed directly at Overeem. Here’s Vadim’s statement from last year that caused so much flack:
What about the current Strikeforce Heavyweight Champion Alistair Overeem?
- I personally think that Alistair Overeem did not reach the desired level to challenge Fedor. He beat a lot of no-name opponents in Mixed Martial Arts. Overeem defeated Paul Buentello and then disappeared from the United States for more than two years, which is simply ridiculous. He has nothing to offer for Fedor Emelianenko, except being a steroid bully. Also, pay attention that Werdum beat Overeem when they were fighting in Pride, four years ago.
Don’t you think that the fight against Werdum should be for the Strikeforce title? Maybe Overeem should vacate his title, if he did not defend it for more than two years?
- We do not fight for the Strikeforce Heavyweight Title. Strikeforce are our partner, and any titles whether it is UFC, Strikeforce, WAMMA, Dream… they are just medals. Fedor is above these things. We are interested in the level of our opponent and his popularity among the audience.
So, it means that you will not demand the fight against Alistair Overeem?
- Exactly. We are more interested in fighting Josh Barnett, who is currently disqualified until September. When he returns from his suspension and if he tests clean, we might consider fighting him.
http://www.lowkick.com/Strikeforce/Finkelstein-Alistair-Overeem-is-a-steroid-bully-6785
So last year Overeem was a steroid bully but they still wanted to fight Josh Barnett. Vadim and Golden Glory have a history.
Vadim and Golden Glory have a history.
I think this has a LOT to do with it.
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by Chris Barton on Jan 19, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
Vadim and Golden Glory have a history.
Made the same point in a reply to you above a few minutes ago.
And were rewarded for it :D
That really is what I took from this, Vadim doesn’t give a rats ass about the “integrity of the sport” but he’s all for taking jabs at Bas Boon when given the opportunity.
what annoys me
truthfully of course they should test but these guys have too much power… too much of this is geared toward negotiating and M1 power grabs. In the ufc i think ed soures is just as annoying but since in reality he wont stop the fight, Ed is just backround noise (for example he wasn’t happy with fighting Chael but just said his piece and moved on)
And with that
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I am gonna be real with you ...
Big foot is gonna win against Fedor. I Just feel it. I really like Fedor but I just got this feeling Fedor is gonna get caught mounted and pounded out.
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by the-gentle-way on Jan 19, 2011 11:05 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
So I guess Josh Gross wasn’t full of it when he said they were asking for this before for overeem.
If this is going to be done, it should be done for everyone, for the whole tournament, but it’s clear this is not an issue of caring about people being drug free, it’s about trying to avoid overeem.
This fits in with SF going out of their way to test everyone on their own when Overeem fought Rogers but then they couldn’t even be bothered to ask Texas to do the drug testing for them when they had an event there with 2 title fights.
I’m shocked Overeem doesn’t realize this and just tell them to fuck off.
If he is clean, he probably wouldn't care, so long as
it is done to everyone, at all stages of the tourney.
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by The American Ronin on Jan 19, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
that isn’t necessarily true.
I don’t want to get on a political rant here, but that’s like saying the same thing as, “who cares if they tap your phones, as long as you aren’t talking about committing any crimes.”
He is being singled out above and beyond what the athletic commissions require, and harder than several other people who have already tested positive, clean or not he doesn’t have to roll over and take that.
I would ordinarily agree with you about this,
but I think Overeem has his sights set on bigger prizes than just this HW GP, and as a result would be willing to endure more this time just so everyone will STFU about it.
Particularly if he and Fedor both win their first fights, and neither guy is injured. In that circumstance I expect he will do anything he can reasonably do for the chance to finally wreck (in his mind) Fedor.
As for the phone line comment, its like I tell everyone close to me – don’t say anything on a phone or online that you wouldn’t care if it were on the front page of the Chronicle (Houston paper) because we are CONSTANTLY surveilled, just generally by computers rather than humans (until you start talking about the wrong things).
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by The American Ronin on Jan 19, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
"And surely someone else uses it"?
Did he really say that? It becomes so painfully obvious that they are SCARED of Overeem.
The whole fucking M1 ship is sinking and Finkle is just snapping a ball and chain to Fedor’s leg.
Sounds like they’re getting ready to duck Overeem…
by ET Son on Jan 19, 2011 10:51 AM EST via mobile reply actions
The most compelling evidence of being clean ...
is whether or not one “trains in the mountains.”
by Moper on Jan 19, 2011 10:56 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
Yes, but Rocky trained in the Russian mountains in Rocky IV and we all know that Sly’s been using.
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This explains why he has no problems fighting Silva with no testing...
…Bigfoot fucking lives in the mountains.
by Axl_Pabst on Jan 19, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I'm OK with this..
As long as they drug test Vadim too!
So he won't require testing against someone who has been popped
But will require it against someone who has never tested positive.
Oh and the issues Vadim is talking about with Barnett came from him testing positive for PEDs. You know, from a DRUG TEST.
by Rob Young on Jan 19, 2011 11:01 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Also, the commissions DO drug test, whether Vadim requires it or not. Overeem was tested when he fought Rogers and passed. If M-1 is allowed to supersede the commission with their demands it will set an ugly precedent.
by Rob Young on Jan 19, 2011 11:06 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
they already did that when they tested Overeem in St. Louis. MO doesn’t drug test everyone, so SF went and tested everyone on their own. Texas will drug test as many people as you want if you ask and pay, SF didn’t ask for anyone to be tested at the Houston card, even though there were 2 title fights.
If you think M1 didn’t have anything to do with that I have a bridge to sell you.
So yeah... Like I said before, don't be surprised if there won't be a HW tourney.
At least not how it is drawn up anyways. I suppose there is a reason they are having four reserve bouts.
The odds say at least one of the three will happen:
- M-1renegotiating a contract.
- Overeem taking fights in Japan
- Barnett failing a drug test
I mean it is annoying that its the dreaded Fedor's management..
But this is just good practice. This should have been put in place by Coker. We shit all over the Japan organizations for not drug testing but then get angry with the institution of drug testing for a heavyweight tourney with multiple participants who have failed in the past. Don’t let the dislike of Fedor’s management taint a good idea
So if athletic commission drug testing isn’t good enough for Vadim why only call for this “special testing” in the semi-final round?
What special testing?
I’m not getting that from what he is saying, just that he wants to ensure that proper testing is done. Now, you may be right in that Vadim will go that rout if they have to fight Overeem but I don’t think we know enough to jump on that hatewagon just yet.
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by Chris Barton on Jan 19, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
So Vadim is ok with standard athletic commission testing that is going to happen regardless? If he is ok with that then why is he bitching now? He is obviously wanting something beyond that.
we don't know if he is even bitching or the context
translation and the questions that lead to those answers are issues here.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 19, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t need to know the context to know you don’t either, but matter fact ;
"Two out of eight fighters in the tournament previously failed a drug test. Obviously, I’m talking about Josh Barnett and Antonio Silva. We want fair competition for everyone, so that’s why I will ask the commission to perform a strict drug testing. Fedor is not using any kind of substance to enhance his performance, and will be ready for any kind of testing. So if the commission decides to follow our suggestion, we’ll be ready."
Looks like he does reference his first round opponent anyway, which blows to fucking hell your “semi final only” line of thinking here.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 19, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
Terms of the tournament are determined, the grid is painted. Although, if Fedor will be in the semi-finals, I plan to insist on a thorough verification of the opponent on drugs.
Why would he mention Silva and then specifically make a point about if Fedor makes it to the semi-final round he will want this?
Who knows
The translation doesn’t seem to make sense. You can’t speculate on this. Dubious translation that directly conflicts the contexts of the entirety of his statements and logic overall.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 19, 2011 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
It might not happen regardless
depending on which commission they fight under. He just wants to make sure the commission tests every participant, which is fair.
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by Chris Barton on Jan 19, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
So why only start that in the semi-final round? Wouldn’t you want that started in the very first round?
Yes
That seems fishy to me too. However, I am thinking (hoping ) that it has to do with Vadim knowing that the NJAC isn’t crappy so he feels it’s a non issue there.
It really should be the same, consistent, testing for all fighters during every round of the thing.
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by Chris Barton on Jan 19, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
The issue is that half the first round (including Barnett) isn’t even scheduled at all yet. There is no reason to not want this from the start, particularly if he thinks NJAC will do a good job. Wouldn’t he want where ever the second half of the first round to be scheduled to be at that same standard?
Sure
However there are so many reasons he may not have brought up the second half of the first round I don’t think it could make a productive discussion.
I mean really, he might have a good idea where it’s being held. We don’t know.
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by Chris Barton on Jan 19, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
No we don’t but of course it’s going to be suspicious with him specifically saying that he wants this “if Fedor makes it to the semi-finals” considering his past statements about Overeem.
I agree
It’s suspicious. That said, if he isn’t asking for anything extra (so far he isn’t) and he wants all fighters tested the same (so far he is) I don’t have a problem with it.
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by Chris Barton on Jan 19, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
I hope this proves true...
I guess we will find out eventually…
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by The American Ronin on Jan 19, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Where did you hear/read anything
about any “special testing”?
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by The American Ronin on Jan 19, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
So Vadim is ok with standard athletic commission testing that is going to happen regardless? If he is ok with that then why is he bitching now? He is obviously wanting something beyond that.
we don’t know if he is even bitching or the context
translation and the questions that lead to those answers are issues here.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 19, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
The way you can tell that this tournament is truly awesome. Is by how desperate the UFC fans are to try and tear if down.
The way you can tell M-1 is being M-1
is by how transparent Vadim’s intentions are. The topic is M-1. Stick to it if you’re interested in a healhy debate.
by David Castillo on Jan 19, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
What are we debating. I already posted the quote where he said he isn’t asking for Olympic testing. Others have posted the quote where he said he is just asking the ACs to do testing which they do before issuing a licence. Every fighter has the right to retire at any time that is nothing new. I see absolutely nothing here with any evidence to back it up to show that M1 is trying to derail this tournament. But there are over 1000 posts claiming they are.
So Vadim is ok with standard athletic commission testing that is going to happen regardless? If he is ok with that then why is he bitching now? He is obviously wanting something beyond that.
Is by how desperate the UFC fans are to try and tear if down.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 19, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
It's a good idea
if it was applied from the start instead of being a swipe at Overeem. Fedor’s fighting a prior user to begin with but his management doesn’t care until the semi-finals?
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Should have been put in place by Coker?
The commission handles drug testing.
by Rob Young on Jan 19, 2011 11:09 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Commission
They don’t know where the semifinals will be held yet and it’s VERY likely in an area with a lax commission being that they are going to have to license Barnett. Bigfoot on the other hand will be in NJ.
by Jay Bittner on Jan 19, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
I said this about the 5 round thing and I’ll say it again, if this is a major issue, they should choose going to a place with a good commission and drug testing program over involving Barnett.
Barnett hasn’t beaten anyone relevant in years, if this tournament was announced with one of their hot prospects in the main field instead of Barnett no one would have blinked an eye.
Agree 100%
I completely agree Phildo. I normally can’t stand Vadim, but because of the commission choices being made by SF(purposely avoiding decent commissions is bad idea in general) for once, I actually agree with what I THINK Vadim is saying here.
Excellent point about Barnett.
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by The American Ronin on Jan 19, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
Referring to a previous article..
where BE questioned DW’s reasoning for not responding to the tournament? I believe it’s called ‘foresight’.
I hope Bigfoot stomps Fedor now.
They undoubtedly lost a lost of money with the Affliction cancelation
Doesn’t it make sense that they remove all barriers to potential monetary loss? I firmly believe this is more a business decision than a competitive decision. They fought in Japan and steroids were never brought up, but when money was lost in the US it begins to force the issue.
I agree with his management.
Wags
Agree
As do I, due specifically to the fact that SF is shopping around the semifinals(AND both Overeem and Barnett’s 1/4 final fights) in areas with commissions that don’t give a hell.
by Jay Bittner on Jan 19, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
The haters are out in full force today
I mean jeez, first they complained about M1 singling out Overeem, so now M1 is going after all semi-finalists.
They think not testing everyone is a sign of ducking Overeem, when in fact testing everyone before each round INCREASES the chance that Overeem will fail (at least in the eyes of everyone who thinks he abuses). That’s not a very smart ducking strategy.
And how can anyone fail to see the monetary implications? The Barnett failure really fucked M1 over, seemingly to the tune of millions according to the lawsuit. Nobody wants to promote and organize an event that won’t happen.
WTF?!?
when in fact testing everyone before each round INCREASES the chance that Overeem will fail (at least in the eyes of everyone who thinks he abuses). That’s not a very smart ducking strategy.
Overeem has never failed a test, and considering the time period he gained his mass over as well as the fact that there are multiple previously proven cheaters involved in the tourney, it makes little sense to single him out aside from fear…
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by The American Ronin on Jan 19, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
You don't get it
Why are people criticizing M1 for asking just the semifinalists to be tested? And why is this evidence of ducking?
If M1 wanted Overeem out – whether by failing a test or refusing to fight – they would ask for testing before each round.
I think they genuinely have financial concerns. The first round and its promotion is already under way, and once Fedor signed the extension nothing could be changed. Testing now can only hurt. Before the second round commences, they want to make sure everything is taken care of.
yea but this doesn't play into the evil russian angle
so shaddap. ruskys is da bad. stick with the narrative dood.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 19, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
Why are people criticizing M1 for asking just the semifinalists to be tested? And why is this evidence of ducking?
Oh, idk, maybe the whole “moving the goal posts thing”? If they were truly concerned for the financial reasons you imagine, why wouldn’t they insist on testing proven cheater Bigfoot before their fight? Or only before the finals, in the event 3x loser Barnett gets there? Best guess – because they are confident they can actually beat Bigfoot and/or Barnett.
They have spoken in fearful terms about Overeem while at the same time suggesting actual cheaters Barnett and/or Bigfoot for some time now, so this isn’t really surprising.
I guess they figure their best bet for winning is to have Reem wreck Werdum first like he will obviously do, then pester him into pursuing K-1 again or something with their continual idiocy.
Of course, all of our hand wringing may be for naught if it turns out that the only thing M-1 wanted was regular commission testing…
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by The American Ronin on Jan 19, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
This
Of course, all of our hand wringing may be for naught if it turns out that the only thing M-1 wanted was regular commission testing…
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 19, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
this idea of “special testing” has been floated in the comments here, but idk where that idea originally came from.
In the event the fights are scheduled where there is no commission testing, SF will have testing done on their own again, as they did when Overeem fought Rogers (where commission testing was random only).
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by The American Ronin on Jan 19, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
If they were truly concerned for the financial reasons you imagine, why wouldn’t they insist on testing proven cheater Bigfoot before their fight?Either because it’s too late since the GP and first round matchups were in motion long ago, or because that fight is being held in NJ, which AFAIK is a respectable commission. From what M1 has said, they plan to insist on testing by the commissions, which won’t necessarily happen outside the US.
People didn’t hate on Mayweather much because he made drug testing demands, they hated on him because he kept changing demands and kept backing out after Pacquiao agreed to them. Overeem agreed to out of commission testing for Strikeforce: Heavy Artillery. He’s going to have to come up with one hell of an excuse to avoid fighting Fedor on drug testing demands.
I fully expect Overeem to come out and say “I have no problem with drug testing,” diffusing all this nonsense.
The Barnett failure really fucked M1 over, seemingly to the tune of millions according to the lawsuit. Nobody wants to promote and organize an event that won’t happen.
True, but you already spoiled your own argument with this:
testing everyone before each round INCREASES the chance that Overeem will fail
That’s exactly what Vadim wants. As you say, testing everyone before each round increases the chance that Overeem will fail, increasing the failure of the tournament’s biggest money match, and losing M1 money.
Vadim stands to lose a lot of money if the Overeem fight doesn’t happen, but he stands to lose a lot more if Overeem kicks Fedor’s ass and Fedor’s stock plummets. Hence the comments about testing.
And so begins...
a bunch of unfair internet speculation that because Fedor’s management team simply voiced concerns about fighters passing tests that his management will do unnamed, unspeakable evils. Ugh.
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Although, if Fedor will be in the semi-finals, I plan to insist on a thorough verification of the opponent on drugs.
No one is speculating; the man has come out and said. Assuming the translation is correct, he just openly stated what they plan to do if Fedor moves to the finals.
And people are up in arms because this is definitely not the right way to go about it if all they want is to ensure that there is fair testing. Clearly the right thing to do would be to negotiate all of this behind closed doors instead of insulting multiple members of the HW tournament and implying that the tourny itself may be illegitimate.
You don’t do this to business partners… I guarantee you Scott Coker is unhappy about the way this was done.
The article here is missing his entire statement I just realized.
“Two out of eight fighters in the tournament previously failed a drug test. Obviously, I’m talking about Josh Barnett and Antonio Silva. We want fair competition for everyone, so that’s why I will ask the commission to perform a strict drug testing. Fedor is not using any kind of substance to enhance his performance, and will be ready for any kind of testing. So if the commission decides to follow our suggestion, we’ll be ready.”
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 19, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
Ha!
See, M-1 was on the level with th… Wait a minute, the only round they would possibly be concerned about Bigfoot being tested is the first one…
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by The American Ronin on Jan 19, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
If M-1 didn't already
have a history of continually trying to pull shit like this every damn time, maybe nothing would have been brought up about it.
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by The American Ronin on Jan 19, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Let's get one thing straight
No fight was ever cancelled due to drug demands. Overeem opted out because he changed his priorities and went after K1.
Drug testing was never a stumbling block. It’s just some nonsense that people latched onto and incorrectly compared to the Mayweather-Pacquaio fiasco.
Okay then
Maybe you are right, maybe M-1 just brings it up when there is talk of fighting Overeem and then the fight never materializes, so its true:
No fight was ever cancelled due to drug demands.
That is why Reem had to defend his title against a guy coming off a loss (Rogers) instead of Fedor…well, that and they wanted an easier fight in Werdum, perhaps hoping to build to a PPV with Overeem.
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by The American Ronin on Jan 19, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
They were building towards a PPV
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 19, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
Drug demands had nothing to do with Overeem not fighting Fedor in May. Coker never wanted that fight on Showtime.
Overeem didn’t deserve to fight Fedor then. He didn’t have a top-20 win in 4 years before the Rogers win.
Besides, Werdum vs. Fedor was agreed up around Jan 2010 while Overeem was still in Japan (he fought K1 in April), and was originally planned for April 2010. You know Coker would have loved Overeem-Rogers to be at Strikeforce: Nashville, but he wasn’t available.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 19, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Overeem didn’t deserve to fight Fedor then. He didn’t have a top-20 win in 4 years before the Rogers win.
Oh come off it. “Deserves Fedor” is a bunch of horseshit.
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by Chris Barton on Jan 19, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Overeem was a LHW journeyman until seventeen minutes ago
No, he didn’t deserve Fedor. Not even close.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 19, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
Again, horseshit. Fedor wasn’t the Strikeforce champion so the word “deserves” shouldn’t even be a topic of conversation. That’s not even bringing up the laundry list of guys who Fedor fought who didn’t “deserve” it, as if “deserves” was ever a concern.
It’s fucking laughable.
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by Chris Barton on Jan 19, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Tim, Andrei, Josh, Werdum
all top ten guys, you’d have to look back to Japan to find a can. Overeem wasn’t sniffing the top ten and SF’s title was worth about as much as a dirty diaper. The bolded statement is fact.
If Fedor has KO’d Overeem before he established himself in K-1 or against Rogers, that win would be considered worthless and we all know this. He was not anything close to Ubereem. Look at things in context. Please bat.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 19, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
It doesn’t matter how far I have to go back, Fedor does have a history of fighting people who don’t “deserve” it.
It never applied until they needed a reason to not fight A.O., the org they CHOSE to fight fors champion.
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by Chris Barton on Jan 19, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It didn't matter until he came to America and had to play by American rules
IE – not fighting freakshows. He fought giants in Japan because they like watching that stuff. We don’t care about that shit here. Gotta look at the context brotha. This aint Tokyo homie.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 19, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
I think you’re the only person in the world that feels the way you do.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 19, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yo so Japanese don't like freakshows?
And Americans do?
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 19, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
That’s so far beyond the point. You argue, in back to back comments, that Overeem didn’t deserve to fight Fedor like Timmay or AA did, and then argue that Fedor fought a bunch of people that didn’t deserve it, which matters now but didn’t then. I suppose freak show fights are only cool if there is zero percent chance you’ll lose.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 19, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
If Fedor was still fighting in Pride
and Overeem had the same record, and the fight would resonate in Japan, he’d have fought him.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 19, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
This reads as
“Had M-1 and Fedor deigned to fight him, they’d have fought him.” I’m sick and tired of them being the fucking arbiter of who gets to fight Fedor and when.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 19, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
Fedor's manager isn't any different from other managers
except this drama plays out in public where as the UFC keeps that stuff under the lid mang. You know this.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 19, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well
The UFC occasionally just says “guess who the fuck YOU’RE going to fight” and no UFC fighter is a part owner of the UFC (like Fedor is with M-1). Also, remember when Koscheck ran his mouth about GSP doing roids? He got told to shut the fuck up in short order. Nobody’s saying that to the FInk right now.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 19, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
Actually
Overeem wasn’t sniffing the top ten and SF’s title was worth about as much as a dirty diaper.
Overeem ranged from #7 – #10 from Sept 2008 – Sept 2009 when he dropped due to inactivity before wrecking Rogers.
Simply put, Overeem is 9-0-1 over the last 3 years with 1 top-10 win and another top-10 destruction (Cro Cop) whereas Werdum prior to the Fedor fight was 4-1 with a win over Gonzaga and a KTFO loss to JDS, so its hard to make a “more worthy” argument for Werdum.
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by The American Ronin on Jan 19, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
*
Overeem wasn’t sniffing the top ten and SF’s title was worth about as much as a dirty diaper.
If Fedor has KO’d Overeem before he established himself in K-1 or against Rogers, that win would be considered worthless and we all know this.
The bolded statement is fact.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 19, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
Except its not...
The bolded statement is fact.
Actually, Overeem ranged from #7 – #10 from Sept 2008 – Sept 2009 when he dropped due to inactivity before wrecking Rogers.
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by The American Ronin on Jan 19, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
Sherdog or Sbnation?
Awful if he was ranked anywhere before Rogers, but at that time, he wasn’t top ten. So the point stands.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 19, 2011 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
Sherdog. Unfortunately the “Older” button on the SBNation HW rankings page still fails, as it has for many months.
For future fun, here is a link that contains many (most even), but not all of Sherdog’s rankings from 2001 through November 2010.
http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f2/rankings-broken-down-weight-class-2001-present-1204466/
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by The American Ronin on Jan 19, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
Overeem still wasn't a credible challenge at the time
Imagine what the subos of the world would have said about that win at the time. M-1’s momma didn’t raise no fool.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 19, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
You're right about that
If it was pre-Fedor signing with SF they probably would have ripped on them for accepting a fight with Overeem, but from the time he signed, and especially after he beat Rogers, Overeem/Fedor is the fight almost everyone has wanted to see.
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by The American Ronin on Jan 19, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
Drug demands had nothing to do with Overeem not fighting Fedor in May. Coker never wanted that fight on Showtime.
Everything else aside, considering Nashville happened in April, wouldn’t this have been intended to be on CBS all along?
Overeem didn’t deserve to fight Fedor then. He didn’t have a top-20 win in 4 years before the Rogers win.
He also utterly dominated a still semi-relevant (and #9) Cro Cop like no one ever had prior to the NC stoppage 6-7 minutes into it.
Of course, in addition to getting KTFO by unranked JDS and losing to Arlovski in the relevant 3 years prior period, Werdum’s only top-10 win was against Gonzaga who was still #5 just after being KTFO by Randy based on his ONE big win against Cro Cop…so of course M-1 saw him as far more “deserving” to fight Fedor rather than face the undefeated-since-permanently-moving-up to HW Overeem (who was 7-0-1 over the previous 3 years prior to fighting Rogers).
Much like Thiago Silva said Jon Jones didn’t “deserve” to face him, only to run and sign to fight Tim Boetsch instead…
You know Coker would have loved Overeem-Rogers to be at Strikeforce: Nashville, but he wasn’t available.
I can’t even take this nonsense seriously – Coker clearly wanted Overeem-Fedor at the time and only settled on Overeem-Rogers when it became clear that M-1 wanted a glorified tune-up fight against Werdum instead…
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by The American Ronin on Jan 19, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Don't bother
Mint has this sort of delusion about how the Fedor/Overeem stuff played out that he has been posting about forever now. You can’t change his mind, no matter what evidence you give him.
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by Chris Barton on Jan 19, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
M1NT
you’re trying too hard
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by DamnSevern on Jan 19, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Nick could have typed this article a month ago and just waited to publish. Sounds something along the lines of the special rules Gracie wanted to fight Sakuraba. If they want tests do them for EVERY fight. M1 and Fedor better wake up and realize his luster is gone and now they are not doing themselves any favors.
If any of this nonsense was happening in the UFC people would riot, Dana would hang and the anti UFC people would have 30000 fan posts up.
This shit right here is why Coker needs to go back to a regional promotion.
ADD THIS TO THE MAIN POST !
“Two out of eight fighters in the tournament previously failed a drug test. Obviously, I’m talking about Josh Barnett and Antonio Silva. We want fair competition for everyone, so that’s why I will ask the commission to perform a strict drug testing. Fedor is not using any kind of substance to enhance his performance, and will be ready for any kind of testing. So if the commission decides to follow our suggestion, we’ll be ready.”
The demands are on the commission, not the promoters or networks. Though I don’t know what this means if the commission doesn’t “follow the suggestion” or what that is.
I have confidence everything will go as planned.
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“So if the commission decides to follow our suggestion, we’ll be ready."
They are in NO position to attempt to impose demands on any Athletic Commision.
Though I don’t know what this means if the commission doesn’t "follow the suggestion" or what that is.
Translation: If the government regulatory agency that oversees MMA will make changes to make us happy, we are in, if not, Overeem will have to face a reserve fighter in the semi’s.
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by The American Ronin on Jan 19, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
They didn't say they would impose special demands per se
translation is a dangerous animal. We don’t know exactly what he said. Or even what context he was speaking in. Maybe a reporter asked him about doping. Jumping the gun here.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 19, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
They posted the odds on who could win the series of matches, now how about the odds on this not turning into a giant cluster?
Furthermore, what at the odds that when the cluster happens, I will somehow involve M1/fedor holding out, renegotiating, etc.?
by troutki on Jan 19, 2011 12:07 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Good thing
that Barnett has come clean and is re-licensed in SF’s home state of California. Otherwise they might be forced to hold events in more out of the way places that don’t have commissions and strict(er) regulations. Places like Japan or so.
Wait a sec.
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by Cory Braiterman on Jan 19, 2011 12:08 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I think this plays out one of these ways...
-Bigfoot beats Fedor – problem solved
-Fedor beats Bigfoot but breaks his hand – Overeem fights a reserve guy.
-Fedor beats Bigfoot and Werdum, against all odds, beats Overeem or Overeem beats Werdum but is injured in doing so – issue solved.
-Fedor and Overeem win and are healthy, M-1 pulls this shit and Fedor is replaced by a reserve fighter – problem solved (albeit unsatisfactorily).
-Fedor and Overeem win and fight, winner advances and additional drug testing for next round becomes a non-issue since Overeem is no longer a potential Fedor foe – problem solved.
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by The American Ronin on Jan 19, 2011 12:25 PM EST reply actions
Only M-1 can be faulted for wanting the commissions to test guys with steroid pasts
OMG ZE FUCKIN RUSSIANZ!
Seriously. Shut up.
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I am surprised no one
has mentioned the exit clause for Fedor’s contract should he go on a “losing streak”. That is pretty telling. Why would they put that in there unless Fedor and management believed he was not the same fighter he once was? I am a huge Fedor fan but I am not liking his chances in this tournament (he looks much less muscular and a bit slower to me now). This little tidbit of info isnt exactly making me more confident in Fedor’s abilities.
I am hoping Fedor wins but he could easily lose to Silva at this stage in his career, let alone if he gets to the Reem.
Werdum beat Fedor, Dos Santos beat Werdum, Joaquim Ferreira beat Dos Santos. Therefore Ferreira is WAAAAY better than Fedor. Keep MMA math alive!
why wasn’t this all sorted out before the contract was signed?
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I assume it was
all he says here is the commissions need to and will test this seriously and we lost a boatload of cash last time. This is mostly a nonstory.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 19, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
I hope someone sees this cause I said this up top and nobody caught it
They made a video game about Yakuzas. It’s called Yakuza. And it’s about Yakuza
There's like....3 people commenting ont his article now......
They made a video game about Yakuzas. It’s called Yakuza. And it’s about Yakuza
My girlfriend is Russian
I’ll get her to translate this.
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You are more right than you know
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Chris’ girlfriend and all her friends are right on it.
by M.Sphinx on Jan 19, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Isn't she great!
That old and still jams on the laptop! I did kinda get trolled, though. The pic she sent looked MUCH younger. Still, with the dentures out she is MONEY.
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Thats gross but I can't help but laugh and appreciate your sense of humor
Unlike Hollywood……I’m talking to you Bruce Willis
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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 19, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
If Fedor makes the finals, Fink will insist Strikeforce build a stadium in Stary Oskol AND that Fedor’s opponent is sedated before the fight.
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by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Jan 19, 2011 1:41 PM EST reply actions
“We have never shied away from a particular battle”
Lol how can they even say this with a straight face. Fedor’s entire career has been nothing but carefully chosen fights that he was 99.9% sure he could win.
I’m glad now that his record was broken he is willing to take real fights though. You’re gonna get your ass whooped in this tourny Fedor.
We have commissions, Vadim
They handle that. Unless, of course, Coker decides to schedule every Barnett fight in a friendly jurisdiction, including the finals…
I do love how defensive some people are about their precious GP tournament.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 19, 2011 1:51 PM EST reply actions
I do love how defensive some people are about their precious GP tournament.
I think its more pent-up Fink hate than anything else, although this does sound like the scenario many suggested might happen…
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by The American Ronin on Jan 19, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
Hey I have tons of Fink hate
It’s part of the reason that, while I’m rooting for this thing to go off without a hitch, I’m not counting on it.
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Still Subo at Fightlinker.com
by Derek Suboticki on Jan 19, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
A few definitions of "Fink":
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/fink
fink (fngk) Slang
n.
A contemptible person.
intr.v. finked, fink·ing, finks
To withhold promised support or participation: They said they’d help us, but then finked out.
Well it looks like Fink is finking out on us again.
Don't forget
Luke: What was our best moment?
Nate: When I banned Subo?
Luke: That was a good one.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 19, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
It won't matter anyway...
…as long as Fedor keeps beating the shit out of M-1 fighters in the mountains and calls this “training.” The game will pass him by if he doesn’t update his training. Here are the quotes about the camp, if anyone’s interested:
Fedor Emelianenko Training for Bigfoot Silva
There’s nothing new about my training. I really enjoyed my camp up in the mountains, in Kislovodsk. My sparring partners were Maxim Grishin and Kiril Sidelnikov, our young guys. We trained really hard, and I hope we’ll see the results in my fight.
Fedor’s coach Vladimir Voronin: It was a great training camp, especially in Kislovodsk. Fedor successfully injured everyone. Broke somone’s ribs (Later in the press conference, Maxim Grishin thanked Fedor for broken ribs), busted someone’s face, so the work was good. In terms of technique, our base is the Universal martial art Sambo. There’s many techniques and still much to learn, so it’s all an ongoing learning process.
by John Danaher's Hair on Jan 19, 2011 1:53 PM EST reply actions
Some people have it and others don’t. You can have very talented fighters train at various elite MMA gyms and still lose fights, while others stick to the same gym and have success. Fedor’s loss to Werdum had nothing to do with not understanding MMA or submissions, it was a momentary lapse in judgment (combined with him bouncing off the cage).
So if the commission decides to follow our suggestion, we’ll be ready.
I read this as something above and beyond what commissions need to do.
If this is just a backup for minimum drug testing because they might have to go somewhere sketchy to license barnett, a better option is just ditching barnett and avoiding this whole discussion.
I can’t believe anyone would actually read this statement as normal testing that is done regularly.
Well
He did also say he wasn’t asking for some sort of specific testing.
Why I never joined a frat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-KNVrZaN8M
"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse
"A samurai would bite your cock off if you tried that shit on the battlefield." - Kid Nate
by Chris Barton on Jan 19, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
From CagePotato
On whether or not they are pushing for Olympic-style drug testing:
“Yes. But it’s not implemented by some commissions. We have never shied away from a particular battle, I just wanted for Fedor’s opponents to be professional fighters, not chemists. Today doping can significantly add speed and endurance. We just want to make sure that all competitors in the Grand Prix and, hence all of Fedor’s potential opponents to play by the rules.”
Bold added – it’s like they’re saying some places would be OK for Fedor to fight, but others wouldn’t.
Luke: What was our best moment?
Nate: When I banned Subo?
Luke: That was a good one.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
Contributor for CagesideSeats.com
Still Subo at Fightlinker.com
by Derek Suboticki on Jan 19, 2011 2:27 PM EST reply actions
I'm thinking none
Which adds to the intrigue here.
Luke: What was our best moment?
Nate: When I banned Subo?
Luke: That was a good one.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
Contributor for CagesideSeats.com
Still Subo at Fightlinker.com
by Derek Suboticki on Jan 19, 2011 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
Got part of it translated
It would appear to have some good shit.
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"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse
"A samurai would bite your cock off if you tried that shit on the battlefield." - Kid Nate
Don't just leave us hanging like that Bro...
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee
by The American Ronin on Jan 19, 2011 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
I'm waiting on the rest
So far nothing clarifying the points of contention discussed. Apparently there Vadim discusses how the UFC is trying to “fuck with” the GP.
Why I never joined a frat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-KNVrZaN8M
"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse
"A samurai would bite your cock off if you tried that shit on the battlefield." - Kid Nate
by Chris Barton on Jan 19, 2011 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
Got it...
this reads worse, to me, on the dicktucking on fighting Overeem.
Why I never joined a frat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-KNVrZaN8M
"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse
"A samurai would bite your cock off if you tried that shit on the battlefield." - Kid Nate
by Chris Barton on Jan 19, 2011 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
bummer
Big Fedor fan but these M1 pukes can go suck a dick. If Fedor chickens out of a possible Overeem fight I will consider him retired.
..!..
Fedor made his bones fighting in Japan, the Wild West of steroid use.
Barnett tested positive for steroids three times, ruined a promotion, and Fedor was still calling him out over Overeem
He is currently slated to fight a man who has actually tested positive for steroids.
None of this bothers him, and no additional steroid screening methods are deemed necessary. Only the semifinals.
Fedor is prepping his escape hatch and it’s so obvious that you’ll either see it instantly, or go to your grave denying it.
Coker is the worst goddamn businessman though. He pissed blood to get Fedor in the tournament, M-1 is going to be usurping Strikeforce on their own channel, and Fedor has the ability to break his contract if he starts losing.
Never close the comments for this article, because it’s only going to get better with age.
by it never gets better on Jan 20, 2011 5:16 AM EST reply actions
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