Defending UFC's Choice of Brock Lesnar for The Ultimate Fighter Coach
by Luke Thomas on Jan 13, 2011 6:01 PM EST
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I was a guest on Steve Cofield's radio show on ESPN Las Vegas 1100 yesterday evening to discuss UFC heavyweight Brock Lesnar being selected as a coach for season 13 of Spike TV's "The Ultimate Fighter". More specifically, I was asked to respond to the idiocy from some hardcore fans about the selection.
Allow me to be blunt: you are an idiot if you think this is a bad move. There really is no other way to word it. It's a complete win for the UFC in every conceivable way. I outline some in the video, so watch it to get a broader sense of what's going on.
But let me expand on a couple of points. First, this idea that Lesnar doesn't have enough knowledge to be a coach with a lot to offer is the height of not understanding what this show is about. While the search for top talent via the show hasn't been completely called off, there isn't an active manhunt anymore. The show is about keeping the UFC brand on TV and the sport of MMA afloat. Guess what Lesnar does better than any fighter on the roster? Deliver the audience to make use of the platform. End of debate.
Second, the nimbleness of the UFC is being completely overlooked. Here we have an MMA organization with a champion sidelined for an entire year, a competitor making waves with their heavyweight division tournament and a reality show that needs a star because it can only deliver consistent if unimpressive ratings. And what do they do? Both recognize the need to quickly adapt to market forces and make the moves within their capacity.
The beauty of TUF is that while its primary function is to serve as a long commercial for the UFC, it's also a vehicle the organization has used to address sticky problems. When Kimbo Slice needed a venue to demonstrate his mettle before being greenlit for a PPV, the reality show was the perfect proving grounds. Now that the UFC needs to direct attention back to their heavyweights when Strikeforce is ready to shine, they've got the biggest star in the sport who just happens to be a heavyweight that has never done a reality show before actually doing a reality show. That is the very definition of "win".
TUF is not centrally about finding and grooming top talent. It's first about brand visibility and awareness and second about addressing important needs the company has to handle, be they in house resource issues or external competitive issues. Lesnar serving as a coach addresses all of them while also delivering what should be excellent television ratings - an important step towards keeping the sport consistently on TV.
There are other reasons this works. It obviously promotes what should be a hugely successful fight between Lesnar and Junior dos Santos down the line. It'll also make dos Santos more of a known commodity. But these are ancillary benefits to more central needs that Lesnar's placement fulfills.
How on earth can some of you complain? Could you be more clueless?
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Maybe people don’t think Lesnar deserves to fight for the number one contendership immediately after getting destroyed?
by frosnt1 on Jan 13, 2011 1:05 PM EST reply actions 7 recs
Dana knows Brock isnt going to be in MMA soon. Might as well get the last milk from the cash cow while he can. I dont blame him at all. Its smart. And hell, you never know Lesnar might win.
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by xFenixKnightx on Jan 13, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
hm...
Dana knows Brock isnt going to be in MMA soon
Are we still going by the debunked story that was published by Mr. Meltzer?
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by SheepleBuster on Jan 13, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
Why not?
He’s a former champ in a thin division.
Aww muffin :(
Who should be fighting JDS for the number 1 contender spot then? Shane Carwin coming off a loss, to you guessed it, Brock Lesnar? Frank Mir who has losses to both Lesnar and Carwin and is riding the huge wave of momentum from his thrilling victory over Crocop? Brendan Schaub with his big victories over… um… well…
Luke is right, you have to be completely clueless to bitch about this.
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by Worldisart on Jan 13, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions 18 recs
Agree
I think a more justified complaint would be the overall state of the UFC’s Heavyweight division. But as far as Dana White & Co’s ability to roll with the punches – you have to give them credit.
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well said
People just don’t realize. Nobody else really deserves a shot with half the people injured. Lesnar was the former champ. If JDS beats him, he’ll make Velasquez fight more intriguing, especially if he defends the takedowns.
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by SheepleBuster on Jan 13, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with most of the content of this post, but I think your tone is ridiculous.
It’s not clueless to wonder whether a guy coming off a terribly lopsided loss to the champion should be put in a position where he is very likely to be that same champion’s very next fight. As a pure matchmaking decision, Carwin is more appealing than Lesnar, since he has faced neither JDS nor Cain, and his only loss is to the exercise bike.
Now, I think that Brock for TUF is a coup for the UFC, and that he is the second-best potential match for JDS, so I’m fine with it, but your defensiveness about Brock is getting more than a little shrill.
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by Dave Strummer on Jan 13, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
This ^
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by ChicagoMarine on Jan 13, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe Brock will deserve it when he restructures JDS' face on the ground?
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by SheepleBuster on Jan 13, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
Remember those 5 guys that were talked about?
Turns out that there are six of them, and they all rec’d frost.
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by Drunken cutman on Jan 13, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
So… from a coaching point of view, he’s going to be worse than Rampage was? Or Shamrock?
If he brings in his coaches and his training partners, does it really matter if Lesnar himself can coach?
I just want to see Erik Paulson brought in and featured coaching on TV
But then I’m a geek.
by KJ Gould on Jan 13, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Yeah buddy!
Although his voice might just put you to sleep. He sounds like Ben Stein in a perpetual bad mood.
When Rashad Evans was coaching on there did anyone think it wasn’t actually assistant coach Greg Jackson doing the heavy lifting when it came to training the guys? Not all fighters are coaches, that’s why they allow them to bring a small army of assistant coaches with them. From a coaching view it’s pretty irrelevant until you see what assistant coaches they bring in with them.
Yes, again. The “coach” is not doing the actual bulk of the coaching more often than not
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 13, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 13, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
Why would anybody be against this? We get to see Lesnar on TV looking awkward. And then we get to see him do more disco dancing against JDS! I love it!
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What makes you thinkk JDS can stop Lesnar’s takedown?
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jan 13, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
The fact a 44 yr old man could, as well as a guy with no back to back victories since 2005 that also got wrestlkedfucked by O Brien.
and even still even if Brock does get the takedown it doesnt equate a win. Everybody needs to get out of that mentality.
Randy Couture is just some random 44 year old man now?
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by Richard Wade on Jan 13, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
If Brock takes JDS down, and JDS can’t get back up, Brock will win. We have no evidence that JDS can effectively implement wrestling in a fight. JDS also lightly gassed against Nelson when he was soundly beating Big Country. Not good signs.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jan 13, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
I do like a post that ends with:
could you be more clueless?
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by Dave Strummer on Jan 13, 2011 1:08 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
Only thing wrong with the piece...
… However, it does get kinda redundant to repeat the points made in this piece over and over again, yet to the response of “he got destroyed by Cain”.
I don’t think anyone disputes that he loss and in a poor fashion, but when looking at the entire picture you can’t consider Lesnar to start from “GO!” can you? And, with even less sure fire talent in the division, is there anyone that “clearly” deserves a shot?
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by ChicagoMarine on Jan 13, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
Strikeforce Heavies > 10 weeks of a socially inept gorilla frowning.
by Reedy on Jan 13, 2011 1:09 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
thats just like, your hardcore opinion, man.
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by Bonedoctor on Jan 13, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sport legitimacy vs business
The people complaining about this move are more than likely prioritizing the legitimacy of contendership for the belt over sport entertainment business decisions. And as fans, that is wholly within their right to complain and let their dissatisfaction be heard. That’s not to say those same people don’t understand the business implications and why its the right move from that perspective, but they don’t have to make it their primary concern.
Personally, I’ve been completely onboard with the marketing and business angle that you enumerated, but the fan in me certainly feels Lesnar hasn’t earned a title shot eliminator.
"The people complaining about this move are more than likely prioritizing the legitimacy of contendership for the belt over sport entertainment business decisions."
Which means they don’t understand where the sport is today and what’s required to move it forward. There’s obviously tipping points where entertainment considerations go too far, but this is so far from that edge of the cliff scenario it’s not even worth discussing.
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by Luke Thomas on Jan 13, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
There is always a variable tipping points in situations such as these, and in this particular instance, I do think the business concerns outweigh the contendership issue. Now, if instead of Brock it was Kimbo Slice, the scale would certainly be tipped in the opposite direction for me.
My only complaint
I dislike the show. It is the strongest vestige of WWE in the UFC. Pure show, little in the way in sport. And the fact that we get stuck watching 2nd rate fighters because they appeared on that show makes it worse.
A big hit with Brock means there is even less of a chance of it dying or at least being revamped.
by John Nash on Jan 13, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I don’t like the show myself, I can’t believe I managed to watch the whole Kimbo season(while on my pc, tv in the backround, but still). Its like Real World or Jersey Shore but with fighters. If they just showed the training and fights it would be great, but watching grown men act like there in high school at the house is painful.
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Is there a reason you feel the need to talk down to fans who disagree with you?
You are supposed to be a professional and yet you call everyone who disagrees with you an idiot. I can understand the business aspect of the game and still not like the decision reached. Sure this will be profitable. You get the biggest cash cow the UFC has on tv every week. Financially it will be great. For the fans watching that care about the fights, not so much.
We now have two coaches that are hws coaching a bunch of wws. Can they get in the cage and work with the fighters productively? Oh wait, I forgot, that doesn’t matter. Ratings!!
We won’t even get interesting banter between the coaches, because they have no history. Is JDS’s english good enough for him to have any conversation with Brock, or will we have Ed Soares on every week to translate? I know JDS is working hard to learn english and I respect him for that, I just don’t know if he speaks enough for this role.
I am just concerned that we are going to end up with the most watched season of TUF being one of the absolute worst, and that is not good for the sport. But I disagree with Luke, so I guess I’m an idiot. Peace.
Dana White has called people FAR worse
So has that guy from hell’s Kitchen but I don’t watch that show
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Very true
But I don’t come to read my MMA news to be insulted by Mr. Thomas. I thought the point of sites like these was to have an open exchange of ideas. I expect to hear garbage from trolls, I just figured a professional journalist would be above that. But I guess I didn’t get the memo where the word of Luke Thomas is now the gospel of MMA. His tone just reeked of arroagnce and I didn’t care for it.
I don’t have a problem having a different opinion than someone else, but I’m not a fan of one person on a soapbox promoting their opinion as fact and insulting anyone who disagrees. Personally, I wish we could have had Frankie and Gray as the coaches, buts thats just my opinion.
by Josh Hall on Jan 13, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
To be fair
Your main concerns seem to be that this season could “suck” because Brock and JDS won’t be able to have a conversation and that the coaches are to big to get in the cage to work with the guys.
Both of those thoughts are pretty silly.
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by Chris Barton on Jan 13, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
I feel like TUF contestants this season are getting the short end of the stick
Just my opinion though. I don’t see the fighters on this season developing very much, which makes it a waste to me. Maybe I just wacth the show for the wrong reasons. I watch it for the up and coming fighters first, and this is not the reason for the show’s existence anymore.
I don’t find it silly that 14 guys may come on TUF and not learn much if anything. What is Brock gonna teach them? He can’t teach his attributes to the fighters, because they are god given. I don’t even know how much wrestling he can teach them, because he is 100 pounds bigger than his team members will be. Is JDS gonna bring the Nogs with him to train his team? I really hope so but I doubt it.
In writing this, I think I understand why this bothers me. I am more concerned with the contestants than the UFC marketing plan. That’s just me, but I don’t think I am an idiot for my opinion, despite what the author of this article may think.
I don’t think you’re an idiot, for whatever that’s worth. I think you’re a little ignorant as to how TUF works, though.
The head coaches are very rarely the people who give the guys training. It’s their support staff that does that work. For instance, Kos didn’t do a lot of work with his team but Camarillo and the other guys from AKA sure did. These guys bring some of the best coaches in the world with them, for that very reason.
Regardless, Brock can’t do any worse than Quinton or Ken did.
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by Chris Barton on Jan 13, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
I am really not anti Brock, if i came off that way it wasn't intended
And I am aware of how TUF coaching works. If JDS brings along the Nog brothers, that is great. I don’t know if that is going to happen though. Brock doesn’t really come from a top training camp, and I don’t know what great coaches he has to bring with him. I agree he won’t do any worse than Rampage or Shamrock.
I’m fine with the Lesnar/JDS fight for # 1 contender. I just would rather them not be TUF coaches right now. I would loved to have seen Edgar/Maynard as the coaches leading into their 3rd fight, and that would be better for the contestants on the show. But money talks, and the UFC is a business. I am simply looking at the situtation as a fan. I understand why this is good for the UFC, but it doesn’t mean I have to like it.
I don’t think you’re sounding anti Brock.
I still don’t understand how this is worse for the contestants. Brock comes from his own training camp with some very top guys he has hired. We’ll never know who is bringing who, but that’s true no matter who is coaching. If Brock brings his regular staff his team will be WELL coached.
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by Chris Barton on Jan 13, 2011 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think
The people complaining about “legitimacy of contendership for the belt” are very rational. Brock was a long standing title holder. It’s pretty standard for those types to get right back into title contention like this.
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by Chris Barton on Jan 13, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
Don't tell them that
Most of those complaining think Brock is a complete scrub unfit to compete with anyone but the lowest of fighters on the UFC’s pecking order.
Those people are also idiots.
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by Worldisart on Jan 13, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Word
You’re really snarking it up today, and I’d hate to upset your chi, but this is different than just “a long standing title holder” coming back into contention after one fight. Brock was in no way competitive with Cain, and now he’s being rushed to a rematch for dollar bills. There’s no reason to think that he’s going to do better, and beating JDS isn’t going to change that.
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by Neil Manich on Jan 13, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Guys lose fights badly all the time but it doesn’t mean anything beyond the fact that they lost. Brock is the former champion and has wins over the other two top contenders in the division, just because he had a bad performance against Cain doesn’t change anything about that.
Fitch is clearly the second best WW in the UFC and has been for a long time. He hasn’t gotten a rematch for the same reason Lesnar shouldn’t.
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He hasn't gotten a rematch
because he doesn’t have the star power to pull it off. In addition, there are other credible challengers at WW due to its depth. Also, Fitch was never the title holder of his division.
Brock has star power and a shallow division.
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by Chris Barton on Jan 13, 2011 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
For me “Brock has star power” = Brock’s getting rushed. It’s not the end of the world, but it bothers me.
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When did John Fitch hold the world title belt before GSP won it? How many other number one contenders has Fitch beat? Fitch gets screwed over for a lot of reasons but it’s not even remotely the same as the issues in the heavyweight division.
For me belts are an arbitrary marketing gimmick but fair point.
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Anderson Silva’s dominance in the division isn’t even close to comparable to Brocks.
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two fights?
That’s not exactly a long time. He unified the interm and defended once. Its not like he is bj or gsp.
I think mir is more deserving personly. Or mir brock 3 ,winner fights dos santos for an interm title.
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by the-gentle-way on Jan 13, 2011 1:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The record for UFC heavyweight title defenses is 2, he was one win from being the longest standing UFC heavyweight champion ever.
Exactly
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by Chris Barton on Jan 13, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
Don't confuse him
Facts totally muddle up his argument!
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Wow.I didn’t realize that. I thought big tim held it much longer.
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by the-gentle-way on Jan 13, 2011 1:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Tim Sylvia had multiple title runs but none of them lasted more than two defenses. For that matter Fedor only defended the Pride heavyweight belt twice.
yea but he fought out side of pride some while champ right?
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by the-gentle-way on Jan 13, 2011 2:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Especially in a thin division. If you were the champion, and beat the number one contender following a loss of your belt, a title shot is warranted.
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by crinow on Jan 13, 2011 1:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
exactly
Its just annoying people cling to mma stars for other reasons besides skill and heart/ bushido. Kimbo,bob sapp, hong man choi and brock have all made a damn fine living off of looking far more dangerous than they actually are. I think people that don’t buy the brock hype are annoyed by that sort of thing. Brock is getting a title shot after being turned into a 275 lb ballerina in his last fight. not because He deserves it. Its because he scares people.
Or maybe I am just a clueless idiot, that never bought the hype.
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by the-gentle-way on Jan 13, 2011 1:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Really?
You think Brock falls into the same category as Kimbo, Sapp and Hong Man Choi? Really?!!
Wow, just wow….
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by Worldisart on Jan 13, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
sapp holds 2 wins over aerts,several old school tough guys and knock the shit out of Nog in his prime before getting subbed, choi holds a W over Semmy, Kimbo .... kimbo was stealing money.
Sapp,semmy,choi and brock have all done well in their careers because of their size. This shouldn’t be a news flash.
The reason people rally around them is they are built like mutants. They are scary looking dudes. That shit sells.
There is a reason the WWE didn’t offer Kole Konrad the same deal they offered brock. He doesn’t looks scary.
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by the-gentle-way on Jan 13, 2011 1:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Brock has done well in his career because he’s won fights and more importantly won titles against a very high level of competition.
To suggest that the only reason he’s popular is because he looks scary is so mind numbingly ignorant it makes me shake my head.
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by Worldisart on Jan 13, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Well there has never been anything you have ever said that I have agreed with so that makes sense.
Brock and sapp have drawn more eyes to mma than any other people on earth and ain’t because of the way they fight. Its because of how they look and act. bottom line. If they were complete cans their looks wouldn’t matter because you have to back it up to some degree. baddest man on earth? Nope. Biggest mma draw on earth. Absolutely!
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by the-gentle-way on Jan 13, 2011 2:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
I was going to reply, but this is just faulty logic.
I find it hard to do anything more than shaking my head and continue reading…
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by ChicagoMarine on Jan 13, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
how so?
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by the-gentle-way on Jan 13, 2011 3:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
and i am mostly speaking of casual fans.
Most people here no the deal. I know it makes biz sense to put him on the show but I just don’t think it should be against dos santos.
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by the-gentle-way on Jan 13, 2011 2:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
but who do you put JDS against?
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idk that shit is tricky....
Mir vs brock for tuf winner gets jds?
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by the-gentle-way on Jan 13, 2011 2:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree that would make more sense for establishing a contender
But JDS probably can’t and I don’t imagine he wants to sit on the shelf that long.
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by the-gentle-way on Jan 13, 2011 2:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
my bad i meant hoost.
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by the-gentle-way on Jan 13, 2011 2:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Do you mean Semmy as in the greatest K1 fighter of the past decade?
B/c yeah, I think him and Sapp are about on the same level.
they arent. i used him as an example of a big scary guy. semmy is far more talented.
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by the-gentle-way on Jan 13, 2011 4:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Kimbo,bob sapp, hong man choi and brock
One of those things is not like the other, one of those things doesn’t belong
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by Chris Barton on Jan 13, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
two of them cry when hit hard ;-)
Guess which ones.
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by the-gentle-way on Jan 13, 2011 1:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Cro Cop broke Sapp's orbital bone with one punch
Totally not holding that against him
They made a video game about Yakuzas. It’s called Yakuza. And it’s about Yakuza
i think he cried from a gut shot.
Its been awhile since I watched it though.
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by the-gentle-way on Jan 13, 2011 2:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
the fan in me certainly feels Lesnar hasn’t earned a title shot eliminator.
Fair enough, but who has? Tossing aside the show for a second, the UFC has, or rather had, a pressing problem in the form of JDS, a healthy, young #1 HW contender facing the prospect of zero fights in 2011.
The UFC had to give him a fight, and the winner of that fight, for obvious reasons, had to become the #1 contender. So who in the UFC HW division has earned it? From a practical standpoint, it came down to Brock Lesnar (former champion, coming off a loss to the champ) Shane Carwin (former #1 contender, coming off a loss to Brock Lesnar) and Frank Mir (Former Champion, bady beaten by Lesnar and coming off one of the worst UFC main events in recent history).
Before you even factor in money, and viewer eyeballs, the Lesnar fight makes sense.
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by Dave Strummer on Jan 13, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
I totally see your point, and have made the same argument. The only other person who I think would be a legitimate replacement for Brock is Carwin. Mir is a bit of a stretch. He has, at least, won a fight (terrible as it may be) since his last loss.
I say Carwin, despite his loss (and near win) against Lesnar, because Lesnar lost emphatically to Cain. Between the two and if both could beat JDS, I think Carwin is the right choice here because, from my pov, Lesnar/Carwin are basically the same atm, except for Lesnar’s utter loss to Cain.
As I said somewhere uphtread
I agree that Carwin is the slightly better choice from a pure matchmaking perspective, but when you factor in the huge boost that Brock provides to TUF and the UFC brand, I think this fight makes sense.
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by Dave Strummer on Jan 13, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
Oh totally, I don’t reside in the hate camp for Lesnar coaching TUF and fighting a contender eliminator. Just explaining the thought process.
i am with you on the subject.
This is a fight brock could win and I don’t wanna see him fight Cain again for at least 1 year or so.
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by the-gentle-way on Jan 13, 2011 6:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
“The people complaining about this move are more than likely prioritizing the legitimacy of contendership for the belt over sport entertainment business decisions.”
Who else is a more ligitimate number two contender to Dos Santos being the number one contender currently? Brock is the former champion who just lost the belt, who else in the UFC heavyweight division has better contender credentials than that? Just because he lost badly in his last fight is irrelevant he is the former champion who has beat the other two potential contenders in the division (Carwin and Mir). Quite frankly from a pure sports standpoint putting anyone except Brock in there would of harmed the legitimacy of contendership. Lets face it the issue is that people don’t like Brock Lesnar as his bandwagon has crashed and burned but that shouldn’t have anything to do with the legitimacy of the sport either.
Which is why it shouldn’t be for number one contendership. Junior wins he gets a shot, not vice versa. Which I guess is possible considering they didn’t put an interim belt on te table.
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Huh? Do you think Dos Santos would get the title shot if he lost to Brock? Would the former champion not deserve the title shot if he beat the current number one contender?
No
Brock would not deserve a title shot if he won. That’s my stance, and I really don’t think it’s that outlandish. Unless he beats Dos Santos in a way that implies improvement, he shouldn’t get a title shot after one win.
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Then who should? In terms of the actual sport who cares about him showing the improvement fans think he should show? Damn near every fighter has areas where they are weak at but that doesn’t stop them from climbing rankings and fighting for titles. Who in the UFC heavyweight division deserves a title shot more than Dos Santos and Lesnar? Lesnar has beat the two of the last three number one contenders (Mir and Carwin, guys Dos Santos has never even fought). Who else in the UFC would deserve the shot if Lesnar beats Dos Santos? You got to put someone in there to fight Cain when he comes back, if Lesnar beats Dos Santos(giving him a win over 3 of the last 4 number one contenders) then who else would you go with?
It would actually make more sense for Mir if he gets by Nelson. On a little bit of a roll and he’s a fresh opponent.
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That’s why I said a bit. He’s also a fresh opponent.
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If he beats the #1 contender he absolutely deserves a title shot.
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by Chris Barton on Jan 13, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
Semtex walked in and blasted the number one contender in under a round. He then fought Dustin Hazelett.
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As his first UFC fight as a late replacement. It wasn’t a number one contenders fight once Swick pulled out.
It wasn’t a number one contenders fight
Exactly.
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And so Daily didn’t actually blast the number one contender he blasted a guy who was going to fight to be that before the other guy pulled out.
Kampmann is clearly better than Swick, but your point still stands. Velasquez is nine fights into his career and he has two (maybe three depending on what you think of Rothwell) big marquee wins. He’s already beaten Lesnar, let’s see what else he’s got.
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And wanting Cain to fight someone he hasn’t already fought is a perfectly fine idea, there is nothing wrong with that. Of course that is sort of taking away from the sport part of this and heading towards the entertainment side too, particularly if you are passing over a guy with victories against the other conteders to do so.
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It was Pauls first fight. This is Brocks first fight after losing a title he defended as much as any HW ever. It’s hardly an apt example.
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by Chris Barton on Jan 13, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
My point was that beating the number one contender doesn’t necessarily mean you get to fight for the title.
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That is totally true
But sometimes it does mean that, especially when the other guy is also a legit contender.
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by Chris Barton on Jan 13, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
Tell that to Jon Fitch...
…not the same situation, but it made it pretty clear how much value being #1 contender in the UFC is.
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Sacrifice.
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by Reedy on Jan 13, 2011 1:14 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
Sacrifice.
Working your way up through the circuit.
You realize he was a competitor before he signed for the UFC right?
what are you suggesting?
That he forgot all those things? They never happened?
There’s a statute of limitations on life experience?
lol a TEN YEAR statute?
by ruckus on Jan 13, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And professional wrestling is good money
But its not all easy work, especially for the viking recluse. He had to constantly be away from home, a thing he has expressed a dislike of, to work his job. A job in which injuries aren’t uncommon
Sounds like sacrifice to me
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by sitnam90 on Jan 13, 2011 1:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic. If you are, well played, because the points you mention as being “sacrifices” are anything but. The dude was making millions, setting himself and his family up for life, doing something that, while lame in most peoples’ eyes, beats the living s&*# out of the 9-to-6s most of us work.
Anyone can become rusty after a year layoff of anything. Imagine 10 years? And he’s not training just straight up wrestling anymore.
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by xFenixKnightx on Jan 13, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
And he’s not training just straight up wrestling anymore.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Jan 13, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
BTW
I have no problem with him coaching TUF.
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by xFenixKnightx on Jan 13, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
sorry, I'm a little confused
I was telling Reedy that Lesnar’s past experiences surely puts him in a position to convey lessons on Sacrifice or Working your way up through the circuit, probably even Team Spirit.
It goes without saying that he is too far removed from his amateur wrestling days to be the head wrestling coach for a team.
ask mir how relevant Brocks life long wrestling experience is.
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by the-gentle-way on Jan 13, 2011 2:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The show isnt about coaching
Even then, Brock has some mighty fine trainers he can bring to the table.
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by sitnam90 on Jan 13, 2011 1:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Why do you think this is even relevant?
You really think Brock is on the show to coach people? You really think all the other TUF headliners spent all of their time coaching people?
Brock has a very good camp and Matty Morgan and Rodrigo Comprido will teach the TUF’ers plenty.
and...
how to take a punch in the face
by MMA_Revolution on Jan 13, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Brock doesn't need to teach shit. It's not important.
Did you not read the article? All he has to do is show up.
Good thing he has coaches!
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by ChicagoMarine on Jan 13, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
I like Lesnar and Junior as coaches
I still can’t believe people thought it would be Stann And Silva. Silva I could see but Stann? Give me a break, the ufc is not that dumb
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I agree with the conclusion. Anyone who can find fault with this massive UFC comeback to the Strikeforce tournament, Lesnar can’t train anyone, he doesn’t deserve a contender match, he’s a dancer, etc etc….is just plain clueless.
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by stainlesssteel on Jan 13, 2011 1:22 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Allow me to be blunt: you are an idiot if you think this is a bad move. There really is no other way to word it. It’s a complete win for the UFC in every conceivable way.
Hilarious and completely true. Sometimes the best form of communication is a slap across the head. Well done, Luke.
by Matt D on Jan 13, 2011 1:22 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
the legitimacy argument is ridiculous
To claim that a Top 5 heavyweight fighting in a title contenders match is illegitimate is to completely and utterly misuse the word.
by ruckus on Jan 13, 2011 1:22 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Its good for business
Especially with this Stirkeforce Tourney…Dana’s playing chess with a weak HW division…cant blame him
The only issue I have is that I’m having a hard time grasping that this seems prmarily a business move. Bring in the guy that makes gangbusters and give him another reason to make more money. I (try) to watch TUF to see the up and comers. The rookies as they grow and get better and get filtered out and such. From my understanding that was the original reason BEHIND The Ultimate Fighter to begin with. Was to see who wanted to be a part of the UFC. Now it kinda seems like all the attention has switched to getting to know Dos Santos and people that want to see Brock Lesner.
They made a video game about Yakuzas. It’s called Yakuza. And it’s about Yakuza
The focus of the show was forced to switch from the true prospects to some less hopeful ones
Because of the rise of competitive promotions. When TUF 1 premiered there werent a lot of outlets for up and coming or journeyman fighters like forrest and diego, et al. Today, there are other promotions with competitive pay for fighters looking to make a name for themselves. Strikeforce Challengers and Bellator come to mind. It seems like it would be hard to convince a truly promising fighter like a Phil Davis or a Jon Jones that they have to put themselves through 6 weeks of “The House” when they can walk across the street and get a good contract.
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Is that why the “prospects” haven’t exactly been up to par? Note: I’ve been watching since US vs UK and I’ve seen clips of the previous seasons which seem a LOT BETTER than what I’ve been seeing now. I remember bits and pieces of TUF 1 having skimmed past Spike and so on. So you’re basically saying it’s not about the rookies anymore and to just get the name of the UFC out there and build on whatever drama the 2 coaches have?
They made a video game about Yakuzas. It’s called Yakuza. And it’s about Yakuza
When TUF 1 came out there was pretty much the UFC or going to Japan as choices for guys. You will never see prospects like earlier season now because there are just to many other opportunities for them. Who wants to live 6 weeks in a house on a reality show for the chance to win a fairly crappy UFC contract when they can just go out and sign a comparible Strikeforce or Bellator contract right now?
…it’s not about the rookies anymore and to just get the name of the UFC out there and build on whatever drama the 2 coaches have?
Exactly. And remember its never really been completely about the rookies either. TUF 1 was a build up for Randy v Chuck II a very big fight, that they wanted a lot of eyes to watch. And this has definitely been the major focus of the show from there on out.
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It’s always been about the coaches from the very start. There has only been one season ever where the coaches didn’t fight at the end. The up and coming guys on TUF this season will also benefit from this move as they will get more exposure and you know Brock will bring some top quality coaches with him (as will JDS). Everything about the show is still in tact with this decision, nothing has changed at all except that the TUF rookies aren’t of the quality they could get for the earliest of seasons.
Fair enough. Don't like it but it's business.
Guess we might see some Black House? The Noguiera Brothers? Who is Brock’s crew (like I’d know)?
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according to wikipedia the Deathclutch coaches are:
Marty Morgan, main wrestling and head coach
Erik Paulson, main submission wrestling and kick boxing coach
Rodrigo Medeiros, main BJJ coach, a multiple time world champion black belt
Peter Welch, main boxing coach
It’s more than just business it’s also the fight in heavyweight that makes the most sense and it gives the guys on the show a lot more attention than they would get if the coaches were some of the others being talked about.
Way to lay the dick down Luke
This move absolutely made sense and was by far the best possible scenario the UFC could’ve hoped to pull off.
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by II SMASH II on Jan 13, 2011 1:42 PM EST via mobile reply actions
This might well be the most watched season of TUF and yet people still complain? Brock has done more to grow this sport than people give him credit for. 50 years from now we will look back at Lesnar as an important part of MMA history. I thought hardcores would have a better appreciation for Brock considering the long history between Pro Wrestling and MMA anyway. Are these like pretend hardcores? We should be welcoming everyone into the sport who can help make it grow to a larger audience.
I don’t like this move because I hate Brock and prefer not to be reminded of his existence. But I agree that Dana didn’t have a lot of options given his current heavyweight roster, and that this will be very good for ratings and $$$. So if you consider Dana’s motivations, there wasn’t a more rational move he could have made.
Similarly, I think that based on the last year of fights, Brock deserves a heavyweight contender match as much as anyone available in the UFC. All the other potential TUF coaches have been defeated by Brock or JDS.
Having said that, I think that fans have a right to approach this from their own perspective, and according to their own motivations, rather than according to Dana White’s motivations. No one is obligated to care if the UFC makes money or if TUF gets good ratings. If you don’t care about either of those things, then a lot more possibilities open up. A person isn’t “clueless” if they think that Brock is bad for the sport, or that TUF is a stupid program, or that Dana should have just made this season for the bantamweights or featherweights, or that Dana should co-promote with SF and get Brock and JDS into their tournament, or whatever.
Guys who lack wrestling will want Brock as their coach,
and guys who lack stand-up will want JDS as their coach I guess. I worry about the language barrier, but I guess I don’t remember that being a big deal when Big Nog coached.
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by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Jan 13, 2011 2:14 PM EST reply actions
lmao
Nice.
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by the-gentle-way on Jan 13, 2011 2:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Guys who lack wrestling will want Brock as their coach,
Why? He’s a middling wrestling-for-MMA wrestler.
I get what Luke’s saying: this is a business and promotion win for the UFC. It’s a loss for the guys who are going to “train under” Brock. (Unless they spend most of their time under Morgan and Paulson, in which case it’s a total win.) But Luke is also right that TUF is no longer the forum for up-and-coming star prospects, so who cares who is coaching these guys who will wash out in a few months?
by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Jan 13, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
Unless they spend most of their time under Morgan and Paulson, in which case it’s a total win.
Yes and that is exactly how TUF works, the “coach” on the show brings in assistant coaches with them to do all the heavy training work while they mug for the tv and push their own fight. The coaching part of this is a team thing and I am sure Brock is going to bring his coaching team that he is comfortable with along with him.
People are butthurt
That Brock, a former champ yet flawed fighter and character can move the needle for being on a reality show…and that it stole a day’s worth of thunder from the SF HW tourney.
It seems to be in style to hate TUF but if SF had their own reality show, for some reason I think there would be some major hoovering of everyone on it.
Hardcore fans can be a sore bunch.
Everyone jumped at how awesome the SF tourney was going to be. But this was just the hardcores. And now some of these hardcore fans are all upset that Dana has swooped in and stole the media thunder with Brock on TUF. Dana just won the battle for casual fans with this. Hardcores will always be there, but the UFC is playing a broader game here. When TUF starts, people are going to be talking about Lesnar for weeks, and that that is a huge coup for Dana.
Also,
“Allow me to be blunt: you are an idiot if you think this is a bad move.”
This got a monster rec from me right off the bat.
Luke I was with you until
you started to rag on hockey. I am a fan of both sports, MMA and Hockey. As for the topic at hand its win/win for the UFC. Ratings as people tune in to see what Brock says and does. The man is nothing if not unpredictable. It raises awareness of JDS. No one really knows anything about JDS. This will make him more known and probably liked vs. the heel Brock. You have to know this guys is gonna go ape shit more than once with all those cameras around.
Hell the fight it self is win/win. Brock wins he gets his luster back as a bad ass. JDS wins he gains more fans and then more PPV buys when he fights Cain.
Personally quit whining and just watch and enjoy the next season of TUF. I know I will.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 13, 2011 3:50 PM EST reply actions
Lesnar/Mir III would've been great (and was actually what was hoped for by White until Cain got injured)
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 13, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
lol
What about your twitter campaign brother?
I always liked that fight. Brock is the cobra to Mir’s mongoose. Those guys should fight once a year every year lol.
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by the-gentle-way on Jan 13, 2011 6:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I really think the "you're an idiot if you don't champion the 'business above sport' mentality" argument is stupid
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 13, 2011 4:35 PM EST reply actions
Also to say, who said this was not a good business move for the UFC?
Or are you just arguing the point to argue it?
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 13, 2011 4:42 PM EST reply actions
Somehow
I never saw the pic of Luke Thomas in a suit. Mighty dashing sir, and a manly enough beard to go along with it. Your own pic or you borrow someone elses?
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by Cory Braiterman on Jan 13, 2011 6:15 PM EST reply actions
to the people
who say lesnar does’nt have the experience t teach these fighters a thing is ridiculous
you trying to tell me a guy who is a former world champ who defended his belt 2 times and beat 2 former champions has nothing to offer these young fighters?
lesnar is the bell cow
you hitch your wagon to your lead pony. last time i checked the ufc was in business to make money… its not some hardcore charity organization to bring mma to the people. This show will be a ratings bonanza.
bell cow
lead pony.
hardcore charity organization
bonanza
Holy metaphor overload, Batman!
by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Jan 13, 2011 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
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