Vitor Belfort Brings In Karate Master to Prepare for UFC 126 Bout Against Anderson Silva
by Anton Tabuena on Jan 13, 2011 9:00 AM EST
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Vitor Belfort, who about a year ago, earned his Karate Blue Belt from Vinicio Antony, believes that his Shotokan Karate skills will play a huge part on his UFC 126 title bout against Anderson Silva. Joining his camp is Jayme Sandall, the South American Karate champ, who is one of the top Shotokan practitioners in the world.
Sandall, who also helped Belfort train for Rich Franklin back at UFC 103, told Portal Vale Tudo (translated by Fighters Only), that they have been developing a specific strategy to defeat one of the most feared strikers in MMA:
"We’re going to do a strategic and technical work, develop a game plan to fight against Anderson. Master Vinício Antony developed a series of karate moves to create a specific strategy for this match,"
"Karate, once again, will come in to sharpen Vitor. He’s already up there with conditioning, standing and ground skills. Well trained. Now we’re going to add timing and distance as well as for attack and defense."
As we have all seen on his past fights, Anderson Silva is one of the best at controlling the distance and gauging the timing of his opponent. Vitor Belfort has been sharpening his Karate skills for the past few years, and plans to counteract just that. Will it be enough to dethrone the long time middleweight kingpin though? I guess we'll have to wait and see.
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I think he is saying what he learned from Steven Segal
Forget about all that wrestling stuff.
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by SheepleBuster on Jan 13, 2011 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
Vitor looks huge in that picture
Anyone knows his walk around weight?
"Common sense is not so common"
His biceps weigh 80 lbs. a piece.
It's official. Les Miles DOES NOT have a deal with the devil. He beat him Nov. 6th, 24-21.
You Aint gonna make it to 20-1 Rowdy Rod.
by DayGeaux on Jan 13, 2011 9:50 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
You need more elusive and Jesus or Shogun will get on top and break your eye again
Food goes in here
by Pandanus on Jan 13, 2011 9:05 AM EST reply actions 5 recs
Is this a recent picture? I would think Anderson wouldn’t like Lyoto helping his upcoming opponent.
It's official. Les Miles DOES NOT have a deal with the devil. He beat him Nov. 6th, 24-21.
You Aint gonna make it to 20-1 Rowdy Rod.
this is an underappreciated masterpiece of captioning
“You need more elusive and Jesus” ?!?
brilliant.
Glad to see Lyoto has a bottle of piss to help hydrate him.
"Everyone has a game plan, untell they get hit." -Mike Tyson
by mma is #1 on Jan 13, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I really think this could be it for Silva
He let Chael tag him and knock him down. Silva needs to come super motivated or he might come to regret it.
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Kinda hard to judge Anderson's striking on his last bout
since there was that injury (or “alleged” injury if you still won’t admit it happened), and his movement was definitely off on that fight.
by Anton Tabuena on Jan 13, 2011 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
well, he was getting tagged a bit by Maia too
And Maia is not exactly Floyd Mayweather. I am saying, Silva looks unmotivated or at times disinterested. He better shows up and take this seriously. He can’t play with Vitor like he did with Maia, Forrest, and Laites.
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by SheepleBuster on Jan 13, 2011 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
I think he played with Laites and Maia because he simply disregarded their striking ability. With Forrest he knew he could slip and move all day.
WOMAN: Do you see yourself as having any weaknesses?
SPUD: Oh... Yes, cos I'm a bit of a perfectionist actually. Yes, I am. See, for me it's got to be the best, or it's nothing at all. Like, if things get a bit dodgy, I just cannot be bothered. But hey, I'm getting good vibes about this interview thing today though man. Seems to me like it's going pretty well, eh?
I think Vitor said he wishes Silva would act like he did against Maia lol
"Common sense is not so common"
more like he was leaving his head, baiting Maia to finally open up.
Forrest was “played” with because he was simply outclassed on the feet. Maia and Leites were “played” with because neither guy wanted to engage on the feet… It’s a pretty safe bet that Vitor won’t be flopping to the ground every time Silva comes forward.
by Anton Tabuena on Jan 13, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
True that. I was pulling my hair out in the Leites match when he kept "presenting" on the ground.
WOMAN: Do you see yourself as having any weaknesses?
SPUD: Oh... Yes, cos I'm a bit of a perfectionist actually. Yes, I am. See, for me it's got to be the best, or it's nothing at all. Like, if things get a bit dodgy, I just cannot be bothered. But hey, I'm getting good vibes about this interview thing today though man. Seems to me like it's going pretty well, eh?
Against Maia, he definitely wasn't baiting
Maia was moving forward and opening up for the whole second half of the fight while Silva just backpedaled and rarely struck back. That’s a weird definition of baiting/playing you have…
Against Leites I agree, but Silva actually lost rounds in that fight for his inactivity.
I don't know man
He did flop against Saku (he had broken hand tough) and Overeem (no exceuse).
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by dancingChicken on Jan 13, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
It’s so hard to tell whether Silva is slacking off in his less impressive performances or whether his skills simply work exceptionally well for a few opponents and poorly for others. You can really see why Forrest, Franklin, and Leben were easy targets for him; similarly, his dependence on counterstriking and reluctance to attack fighters on their back partially explains the Maia and Leites fights. Other things, however, point to motivational issues.
Anyway, this should be a good fight. It will be Silva’s first fight against a relatively quick fighter, which should automatically make it more competitive.
by Mint on Jan 13, 2011 9:39 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Agreed
If you just come straight at Silva, he will make you regret it. But if the other fighter doesn’t move forward, he has shown no urge to bring the fight to anybody unless he’s 100% sure they aren’t getting back up. That’s not his game.
Forrest, Rich Franklin and Chris Leben were tailor made to take a beating from Anderson Silva.
And James Irvin....
and Marquardt and Hendo.
Chael was different…he came in with his hands up and didn’t strike until he was in close which makes it more difficult to counterstrike.
Rampage and Shogun did the same thing against Machida…they came in with their hands high covering up until they got in close enough to strike. The worst strategy with guys like Machida and Anderson is to stand at distance and trade strikes and/or wade in chasing with strikes.
He was tagged by Chael because he had his hands low trying to defend the shot.
He was so defensive from a wrestling aspect that he dropped his striking defense.
He will not come into this fight with Belfort with the same gameplan. Expect Silva to open up.
by judonerd on Jan 13, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Indeed
People need to stop pretending that Chael out-struck Anderson. He had one good punch in the first. After the first punch surprised him, AS was letting Chael hit him in the face to taunt him. In the 4th round Anderson actually tried to strike Chael and dropped him with a standing back-elbow. Chael did a good job of mixing it up to keep AS guessing, but as soon as AS stopped fearing the TD and fought Chael’s stand up looked a whole lot worse.
When it was all said and done, Chael(who was on steroids) lost the fight and got beat up worse than AS did in the process.
"I'll rock your body with big nasty hooks!"
by TheFilt on Jan 13, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think Vitor is faster than Silva and probably much stronger
The big question to me is can Vitor handle the mind games of Silva?
The dancing and the mocking can have a major effect on Vitor since some fighters say Vitor is mentally weak!
"Common sense is not so common"
He does have a lot of Jesus lol
I think it goes back to when his sister disappeared, not sure though.
"Common sense is not so common"
He has the left hand of Jesus
http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Vitor-Belforts-left-hand-of-Jesus/117551678301425
Food goes in here
Apparently the career turnaround happened only after he got closure
That is, when said sister’s body was found. :(
Faster? Stronger?
Vitor may have more handspeed but no way are his kicks and his movements faster than Anderson. Much Stronger? Rich Franklin clinch knees of rape ring a bell?
by CaptainKneebar on Jan 13, 2011 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
Good point about the kicks
Vitor barely utilizes his kicks, his hands are faster with good accuracy (not as good as Silva’s)
And yes I believe stronger.
"Common sense is not so common"
Kicks are what is going to make a difference in the fight
Anderson is good at switching to orthodox and the perfect weapon against the type of striker like Vitor is a right high kick and right hand
Silva & Lyoto train together
So probably Silva is pretty familiar with Shotokan Karate. Bad idea IMO.
"Common sense is not so common"
they both wear the same pajamas, so in my mind same thing
by Str8_right on Jan 13, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Anderson's a true student of martial arts
He knows some Wing Chun Kung Fu and at least a little Aikido.
"I'll rock your body with big nasty hooks!"
at the very least Yoshizo considers Anderson a "natural"
…at certain things he had to teach Lyoto.
Which is funny, you can almost hear Lyoto throwing his UFC belt down in the kitchen and running to his room like “nothing’s ever good enough for you, dad!”
I introduced Lyoto to daily training at an early age. Anderson was born like that, but Lyoto wasn’t. Therefore, it took a lot of studying, training and hard work to improve, while Anderson is naturally like that… I really like Anderson. He didn’t train Karate, but knew it instinctively. Standing switches, stances, how to use his waist, moving with purpose as he advances and backs away, dancing without getting hit.
by LBo on Jan 13, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Vitor by flying scissor heel hook!!!
WOMAN: Do you see yourself as having any weaknesses?
SPUD: Oh... Yes, cos I'm a bit of a perfectionist actually. Yes, I am. See, for me it's got to be the best, or it's nothing at all. Like, if things get a bit dodgy, I just cannot be bothered. But hey, I'm getting good vibes about this interview thing today though man. Seems to me like it's going pretty well, eh?
I think Silva has a higher fight IQ and more heart than Vitor. I’m not even sure he’ll bother to stand with him. Eventhough he can probably knock him out, he won’t take that kind of risk…I say Silva takes him down and submits him. Oh, and Vitor training karate is pretty dumb…since we saw what high level muay Thai can do to high level karate with Shogun vs Machida.
Are our bones not dust?
Is our Blood not Poison?
On my knees in the black light
Praying for Salvation, bitter Redemption
So throw your dice and cast your shadow
You may look away
But your children will not...
by ProfessorBLove on Jan 13, 2011 9:38 AM EST via mobile reply actions
You do know...
Vitor’s been a BJJ Black belt far longer than Silva and is an Absolute bronze medalist at ADCC? Silva’s not submitting him, even if he could take him down.
And oh yes, one karate stylist lost one of two fights to a muay Thai practitioner, therefore anyone with any karate in their style (and does it need to be pointed out that Vitor is hardly an orthodox karateka?) will invariably lose to any sort of MT fighter. Why do we bother having these fights, we can just compare fighting styles and sort it all out that way!
"With gold thou boughtest Gýmir's daughter,
and so gavest away thy sword:
but when Muspell's sons through the dark forest ride,
thou, unhappy, wilt not have wherewith to fight."
~ Lokasenna
Overeem...
…defies a lot of the normal rules of reality ;)
"With gold thou boughtest Gýmir's daughter,
and so gavest away thy sword:
but when Muspell's sons through the dark forest ride,
thou, unhappy, wilt not have wherewith to fight."
~ Lokasenna
Shogun's style is completely different from Silva's
Silva is first and foremost a counterstriker. He doesn’t have the ability/desire (or at least he hasn’t shown it in several years) to attack first like Shogun and Rampage did against Machida.
At the same time, of course, we don’t know how good Belfort is at this karate style. We saw shades of it against Franklin, but just a peek and that was ages ago.
It’s definitely premature to call Vitor’s karate training “pretty dumb”. It will undoubtedly work better than Vitor’s ultra aggressive, all-offense-no-defense style from way back.
Working distance is essential when dealing with a sharp counter striker, being able to move in and out, watch for feints etc.
Food goes in here
Absolutely
That’s why the more selectively explosive Belfort we last saw is the best version. It should be a competitive fight.
Lol timing and distance doesn’t mean shit when ur getting the shit kicked out of your body
Are our bones not dust?
Is our Blood not Poison?
On my knees in the black light
Praying for Salvation, bitter Redemption
So throw your dice and cast your shadow
You may look away
But your children will not...
by ProfessorBLove on Jan 13, 2011 9:41 AM EST via mobile reply actions
WTF do you think fighters use timing and distance for?
This is an early candidate for dumbest comment of the year…
by Mint on Jan 13, 2011 9:55 AM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Lol I didn’t mean that. I meant that I don’t think vitors few years of karate is going to be much help for Silvas 2 decades of muay Thai. I just think he would be better off working on other parts of his game to prepare for Silva. I’m ok with him working on his timing….but I really don’t think it’ll matter much in this fight.
Are our bones not dust?
Is our Blood not Poison?
On my knees in the black light
Praying for Salvation, bitter Redemption
So throw your dice and cast your shadow
You may look away
But your children will not...
by ProfessorBLove on Jan 13, 2011 10:33 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I obviously don’t know as much about the intricacies of striking as you, but I don’t see many holes Vitor is going to be able to exploit in Silvas striking. He’d have been better off working on his wrestling since that’s the biggest hole in Silvas game.
Are our bones not dust?
Is our Blood not Poison?
On my knees in the black light
Praying for Salvation, bitter Redemption
So throw your dice and cast your shadow
You may look away
But your children will not...
by ProfessorBLove on Jan 13, 2011 10:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
He may well do that
Distance and timing can be very useful in working shots. If vitor can work his wrestling in combination with his boxing he can get the title. He may not be as good a wrestler as Chael, but he’s a better striker and grappler
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by sitnam90 on Jan 13, 2011 3:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Striking defense doesn’t mean shit when you’re getting punched in the face.
Armbar escapes don’t mean shit when you’re getting armbarred.
Sprawling doesn’t mean shit when you’re getting taken down
I love this guy.
Food goes in here
by Pandanus on Jan 13, 2011 9:58 AM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Lol I didn’t say that brother. For example…there’s no amount of sprawling that was going to keep Sonnen from putting Silva on his back, so he worked on his BJJ to threaten Sonnen from the bottom.
Are our bones not dust?
Is our Blood not Poison?
On my knees in the black light
Praying for Salvation, bitter Redemption
So throw your dice and cast your shadow
You may look away
But your children will not...
by ProfessorBLove on Jan 13, 2011 10:38 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
well yeah there is certainly an amount of sprawling that would prevent him from being put on his back
you know, that’s the point really
by Body Triangle on Jan 13, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
Lol I’m not doing a good job of conveying my thoughts. Sonnen is such a high level wrestler that no amount of practice was going to keep Silva off his back. Sonnen has been wrestling at an elite level almost his whole life, Silva will never be as good a wrestler as him.
Are our bones not dust?
Is our Blood not Poison?
On my knees in the black light
Praying for Salvation, bitter Redemption
So throw your dice and cast your shadow
You may look away
But your children will not...
by ProfessorBLove on Jan 13, 2011 11:23 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I get your point
but I don’t agree.
Lately, more and more non-wrestlers are showing that they can stuff a high level wrestlers TD attempts. Fejao vs Lawal, Pettis vs Roller. There have been quite a few others recently, I’m just drawing a blank.
As for AS, he may never be much of a wrestler, but I don’t think he really tries.
"I'll rock your body with big nasty hooks!"
How would you like to be some random business guy
who’s a blue belt at that dojo?
Hmmmm, let’s see. Who are you sparring today? How about the new guy, Vitor.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
Lol, it would be really great to have an opportunity to spar Vitor
by mmablitzkrieg on Jan 13, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
Oh it'd be fantastic
But you’d be saying a silent prayer about his control.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Jan 13, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
lmao
I never thought about That. That’s hilarious.
I would remind vitor that " thou shall not kill" before every session.
"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."
by the-gentle-way on Jan 13, 2011 10:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 4 recs
Lmao
Are our bones not dust?
Is our Blood not Poison?
On my knees in the black light
Praying for Salvation, bitter Redemption
So throw your dice and cast your shadow
You may look away
But your children will not...
by ProfessorBLove on Jan 13, 2011 10:48 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
...and hope he didn't have a fight with his wife that day
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Jan 13, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Vitor by way of lack of heart
Andy will make Vitor quit, just you watch
by Str8_right on Jan 13, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think this is one of the more likely outcomes.
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by The Darkness on Jan 13, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
thats just crazy talk
anderson took a bit of time to put franklin away, vitor took 3 punches. 3! this isn’t a normal guy the champ is fighting, he is in there with a putbull. Id love to see him try to pull that shit he pulled on forest.. “go ahead vitor hit me” I hope he gets KO’d in a creepy dirt nap matt lindland fashion.
by suavemilagro on Jan 13, 2011 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
This REEKS of MMAth. Fedor beat Hong Man Choi in 1:54. Tim Sylvia only lasted 36 seconds! Therefore, HMC is 3 times better than Tim!
No wait! Werdum beat Fedor in 1:09, but took 3 minutes longer to beat Brandon Vera! BRANDON VERA > FEDOR!!
Kimbo > Fedor
After all, it only took Ray 9 seconds to beat Timmy(almost 30 seconds less than Fedor) and Kimbo choked out Ray.
"I'll rock your body with big nasty hooks!"
you caught me
the point i was shooting for, is the speed and power of belfort… This is going to be an awesome fight, and i hope we have a new champ that night. And no if belfort wins his title should not be P4P #1, just middlewight champ. Ive got a good feeling about this one.
by suavemilagro on Jan 13, 2011 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
He's got as good of a chance as anyone else
Vitor is a good guy too. I wouldn’t mind seeing something good happen to him.
"I'll rock your body with big nasty hooks!"
not sure about the others,
but Belfort has been doing it for the past few years to compliment his boxing base.
by Anton Tabuena on Jan 13, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Couldn't hurt
BJ Penn is doing his thing with the Mayweathers’, whose style of boxing wouldn’t know how to handle a takedown from Kyle Maynard.
Steven Seagal keeps showing up at Black House to give Aikido for MMA demonstrations to Lyoto Machida and Anderson Silva.
Speaking of Anderson, he’s got a yellow belt in Capoeira.
Not all of the above mentioned martial arts have the strictest of uses in training camps or mma in general…but hey, couldn’t hurt.
...
It's official. Les Miles DOES NOT have a deal with the devil. He beat him Nov. 6th, 24-21.
You Aint gonna make it to 20-1 Rowdy Rod.
by DayGeaux on Jan 13, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
This pic.
Is so mack. Wish i had a picture of myself doing this.
Fighter, lover and all around awesome.
by Sebastiaan Tauran on Jan 13, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
I used to think Parkour was just for crazy Europeans that didn’t have cable and could never be used in MMA. And then I saw Anthony Pettis.
Texas A&M got beat so bad in the Cotton Bowl there was a 21 gun salute at the end of the 4th quarter.
Have you heard of a guy named Lyoto Machida?
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Jan 13, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
I love how when you read your post...
…then immediately read your signature, it’s as if Tatum is answering your question.
by black dragon on Jan 13, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
never saw that before
I need to start phrasing more comments in the form of questions.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Jan 13, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
What is the order of belts in this style of karate?
Is it like bjj where Blue comes after white? Are the next ones purple and brown?
BOOSH
In the old days the white belt was simply dyed to a new color. This repeated dying process dictates the type of belt color and the order of the colors!. The standard belt color system is white, yellow, green, brown, and black. In some Karate school and styles, the color order is white, yellow, orange, green, blue, brown, black.
Due to the dying process, it is practical to increasingly use darker colors. All of this came about shortly after the second world war, when Japan was a very poor country, and dying the belts to a new color was a cheap way to have a visible, simple and effective ranking system.
http://www.all-karate.com/125/history-of-karate-belt-colors
It's official. Les Miles DOES NOT have a deal with the devil. He beat him Nov. 6th, 24-21.
You Aint gonna make it to 20-1 Rowdy Rod.
by DayGeaux on Jan 13, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Internet fist bump!
Now Taekwondo is a different animal.
They have more belts. In order according to the American Taekwondo Association, white, orange, yellow, camo?!, green, purple, blue, brown, red, red\black, and black. Which means at least two of the Ninja Turtles were complete noobs? I can understand Michael Angelo, the surfing stoner, but Donatello? He was supposed to be the smart one. Shame shame.
It's official. Les Miles DOES NOT have a deal with the devil. He beat him Nov. 6th, 24-21.
You Aint gonna make it to 20-1 Rowdy Rod.
On a respect level or a training level? I know ziltch about TKD.
It's official. Les Miles DOES NOT have a deal with the devil. He beat him Nov. 6th, 24-21.
You Aint gonna make it to 20-1 Rowdy Rod.
Taekwondo
Any martial art that promotes 10 year olds as black belts, is less martial and more art
by suavemilagro on Jan 13, 2011 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
I’m really looking forward to this fight. Vitor is probably a good enough wrestler to win a TD / top control based decision; if I were him and wanted to maximize my chances for wininng, I’d just focus on my wrestling. Nevertheless, I’m rooting for a stand up battle; I’ll be disappointed if this fight devolves into a sloppy wrestling match.
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I’ve thought about the possibility of Vitor implementing that strategy: during his time in Cage Rage he often employed a quite conservative takedown and GnP strategy, and if there ever was a good opponent to bring it back against it would be Anderson. Vitor’s takedowns are servicable and his top control is very solid, I think he can get Anderson down if he commits to closing the distance, but if he is banking on takedowns while being unwilling to engage we could see an ugly repeat of the Leites fight.
"With gold thou boughtest Gýmir's daughter,
and so gavest away thy sword:
but when Muspell's sons through the dark forest ride,
thou, unhappy, wilt not have wherewith to fight."
~ Lokasenna
Karate? The Dane Cook of martial arts?
No. ISIS agents use Krav Maga.
by LBo on Jan 13, 2011 12:27 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
TKD is the Dane Cook of martial arts.
Karate is super practical.
Seeing as the vast majority of people can’t even throw a good punch, let alone defend/take a strong round kick to the stomach.
"I'll rock your body with big nasty hooks!"
Right.
In Kyokushin, punching range is about 2 feet apart, hands down and punching at the chest. In Shotokan, punching range is bouncing around 10 feet apart, until you lunge in with a big ’ole chamber punch with your other hand down at your hip and either knock out or get knocked out.
I should have said, if you want to punch effectively, box.
Karate has it’s advantages…Kyokushin will make you a tough MFer and you’ll have awesome leg kicks. Shotokan (if you can find the rare 1% who train effectively) will make you comfortable at a distance that makes everyone else uncomfortable, and allow you to cover that distance extremely quickly. But neither is all that great for applying or defending punches to the face.
Striking
Forget the styles, learn the concepts and train the techniques. It doesn’t matter whether it’s from boxing, MT, Shotokan, or whatever. Take the best stuff from each and make it your own. If it works, use it.
by Flying Gogoplata on Jan 13, 2011 9:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
hehe i like ur stereotypes.
for the record as a karate practitioner (amongst other arts) if i dont want to get hit in the head i keep my hands up. dont know about the rest of u guys. nore do i bounce up and down. the purists might but not me lol.
Boxing is the best fist-to-head striking art, IMO.
Karate’s body punches are brutal. Its just about the set up.
I agree, kicks are more heavily emphasized, but it depends on the form. American Kenpo is extremely useful in real fight scenarios.
My point is really just that being able to execute and defend quick, powerful strikes puts you at an huge advantage over a non-trained opponent. Having the ability to kick someones lunch up is pretty fucking sweet.
"I'll rock your body with big nasty hooks!"
My point is really just that being able to execute and defend quick, powerful strikes puts you at an huge advantage over a non-trained opponent. Having the ability to kick someones lunch up is pretty fucking sweet.
That’s pretty true, yeah. Not unique to karate, but if you find a school that trains intelligently and realistically it’s all good.
I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt on this one. His stance looked very karate in the Franklin fight, and Rich Franklin could not put his hands on Vitor once. I do recall Franklin putting his hands on Silva several times during their fights. Vitor’s mental game is not so breakable as people tend to think. His sister was kidnapped and killed and it messed with his head for a while. Who wouldn’t be seriously screwed up by that? He’s got a renewed mind and a cleaner, more elusive, more deliberate style. With all the explosive speed and punching power he always had.
Been waiting for this fight for years.
"I do recall Franklin putting his hands on Silva several times during their fights. "
Anderson wants you to hit him. Just to see the light fade from your eyes as he stares back unaffected.
"I'll rock your body with big nasty hooks!"
Why do people hate on
Shotokan Karate anyways…great footwork and timing accurate striking…hit and not get hit…whats wrong with that??
There is exactly
ONE shotokan stylist in a major MMA league, let alone having any success. The vast, vast majority of Shotokan schools train in unrealistic, ineffective ways. The Machidas train differently, but they’re the exception, not the rule.
There's two :)
Chinzo is a badass. He might be in the UFC pretty soon.
"I'll rock your body with big nasty hooks!"
Doesn't mean he can't fight
He just hasn’t put it all together.
In fairness, his win is a, awesome 1st rd KO via soccer kicks.
Didn’t know he fought last month(and lost). That blows. Lyoto was angling to get him in the UFC last year….. not so good.
"I'll rock your body with big nasty hooks!"
Watched his last fight
Looks like got kinda robbed.
He was winning the first round, in the last 20 seconds he got swept(kinda) Laiola took his back and also got in some good GnP from his guard before the bell.
Second round, Chinzo controlled everything. Laiola tried some wall and stall. Later in the round, Machida throws a kick which is caught, and he’s taken down. Chinzo ties him up, then they’re both stood up.
The third round was basically the same. It wasn’t a blowout, but Chinzo was definitely far more effective on the feet and at least equally so on the ground. Lailoa must have won due to ‘cage control’.
All in all, Chinzo showed some pretty solid grappling skill and the Machida Karate expertise you’d expect to see.
"I'll rock your body with big nasty hooks!"
I like Chinzo a lot
But, he’s not having the success Lyoto had (obviously) and he’s not in the big leagues. In any case, his effectiveness still boils it down to one Shotokan gym out of thousands across the world having produced any really good MMA fighters.
Its still Shotokan
But with a Machida twist for certain techniques…alot of people dont appreciate Karate or other traditional forms of martial arts because of the Kata’s you need to learn and perform for the fact that you cant really use those moves in real life combat…however they help your overall form and technique…anyways…i thought this thread was about Silva Vs Belfort? lol I got the spider via brutal knee TKO
I think Anderson will get him, but
I’ve got a three fight parlay with all dogs so I’ll be pulling for Vitor.
It's official. Les Miles DOES NOT have a deal with the devil. He beat him Nov. 6th, 24-21.
You Aint gonna make it to 20-1 Rowdy Rod.
i love that vitor wants to beat anderson on the feet because he believes in himself and of course jesus. Other fighters should take note of that because most fighters training for Anderson are specializing in wrestling, takingdown and pinning.
Vitor shows true fighter spirit and that’s what i love about mma. Sad because alot of fighters aren’t this way. They are your stereotypical metal mulisha tattooed meathead ready to kick ass and drink beer.
Vitor wants to win on his feet
because Anderson is vastly superior to him on the ground.
Its really his only choice.
"I'll rock your body with big nasty hooks!"
Vitor has been Black Belt in BJJ for a while.
Anderson isn’t better than Vitor on the ground.
Ehh...
He has shown he has serious problems with certain grapplers on the ground.
IMO Anderson has shown a lot more on the ground against better competition as well.
"I'll rock your body with big nasty hooks!"
But..
You don’t see Anderson shooting in for take downs his, BJJ is used when he gets taking down he doesn’t shoot in to take people down looking for a submission he submits guys who’s game depend on the grappling and fighting on the floor.
Exactly. Anderson submits really good grapplers who take him down.
Vitor doesn’t submit anyone. Not in 10 years, at least.
That, and Vitor has been beaten many times on the ground. He has only been submitted once, but he’s quit 4 or 5 times IMO.
When was the last time Anderson was TKO’d or even in danger of being TKO’d?
"I'll rock your body with big nasty hooks!"
Wait..he got his Karate blue belt a year ago?
Wouldn’t that make him a black belt or Grand Master by now?
Not necessarily...
Look at how it can take years for someone to black belt in BJJ.
bjj is the exception not the rule.
Everyone else gives their belts away. Bjj you spend years at each belt.
One of my favorite quotes about getting belts " Black belt is the belt you will be at the longest, enjoy the other belts and the time you spend at them. Once you are a black belt you will have the rest of your life to spend there." – Saulo Riberio
"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."
by the-gentle-way on Jan 14, 2011 12:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Nice quote
A friend of mine is probably the 3rd best BJJ player at our gym. He beats the brown belts and is just as good as the only 2 black belts who teach at the school.
He’s still a purple belt, even though he won the Pan Ams(purple belt, masters) last year. I think its cause he’s only been there 3 years. In some ways its not far, based on his dedication and skill you’d think he deserved at least a brown belt. But it makes perfect sense in the context of your quote.
"I'll rock your body with big nasty hooks!"
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