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Can Strikeforce Compete with the UFC's Media Machine?

Strikeforce's open-mindedness to smaller media outlets just one of the ways in which they've been able to compete with the UFC. (Photo by Christian Petersen/Getty Images)

In any professional sport, public relations, marketing, and the use of mass media all have significant roles in helping an organization create new fans, keep loyal fans, and inform the consumers of their product to the happenings around their niche in the sports world. The NFL not only has their own campaigns to progress the sport of football domestically and internationally, but each team organization under its umbrella works hard to interact with fans. The same can be said for Major League Baseball, the National Basketball Association, NASCAR, and Major League Soccer. 

Mixed martial arts works under a very different structure as promotions work in direct competition with one another without sitting under one giant umbrella. They are their own islands in a vast ocean, and the UFC could be likened to a large continent in that ocean with more resources than any other island. Both Strikeforce and the UFC compete to attract the birds to the most appealing pond within their tropical paradise, but as most fans know -- The UFC normally wins that war decisively.

But perhaps we're looking at this media war from the wrong angle. After all, stacking up the enormous capital that the UFC has at their disposal with Strikeforce's budget isn't a fair fight, but both media campaigns fight on the same battlefield. The major differences are in the television deals that both promotions have created.

Strikeforce's major outlet is Showtime with the possibility of future shows on CBS and a pay-per-view model in 2011. The UFC is featured on two cable stations, Spike TV and Versus, and one network channel in ION TV. They literally have 24/7 advertising via Spike TV at all hours of the day and night and the potential for Versus to become a prominent sports channel in the future via the Comcast/NBC merger. All of those stations are free or on an extended digital plan that most cable users buy. If that wasn't enough, the UFC's pay-per-view model successfully fills their coffers full of money consistently every year.

With that said, the media looks at the ratings in respect to their reach with viewers. Some outlets have proclaimed the end of Strikeforce with one glance at their viewership on any given event, but the fact of the matter is that these promotions aren't on a level playing field. Despite battling for the same demographic in the same areas of our consumer lives, Strikeforce isn't unrealistically eying 1.5 million viewers as a reasonable goal for their next Challengers card. They know better.

Some would say that this is a war that can never be won by Strikeforce, but this isn't a conventional war with battleships and marine recon teams. They don't need to win the war. All they need to do is hang around and steadily become more aware in the eyes of casual mixed martial arts fans. The goal here is to make a considerable profit, and while that may not actually translate to revenue on the level of the UFC -- it won't take as much revenue for Strikeforce to deem themselves a huge success in any given fiscal year.

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Surprisingly, Strikeforce has done a great job in using the media to get their brand out there. Sure, the UFC is overwhelming and in-your-face at all times, but think hard about what Strikeforce does well. First and foremost, they've been able to garner nearly the same interest from media outlets as UFC events. They might not get the attention of the small city newspapers that the UFC garners or the respect of major outlets like ESPN regularly, but the same major players in the mixed martial arts community that we know, i.e. BloodyElbow.com, Sherdog, MMAFighting.com, HDNet, etc. all cover Strikeforce's events with as much news, analysis, and updates as an UFC event.

Why? Why would outlets that are obviously affiliated or "in bed" with the UFC cover Strikeforce equally? Because this is a business, after all, and the fighters that Strikeforce has attracted do have fans who are interested, even if it is a smaller number. Interestingly enough, some of the most well-known websites in mixed martial arts are banned from UFC events, but Strikeforce's policy is much more grassroots in that many smaller outlets are allowed to attend events and flood the market with original content and interviews. Exposure. Strikeforce gets more bang for their events with this open door to the media, and it costs them very little to nothing at all. 

I suppose Strikeforce's best asset is their ability to sign talent that the UFC has been unable to sign. Fighters like Fedor Emelianenko and Alistair Overeem are good examples, but I wouldn't fault the UFC on staying away from co-promoting with M-1 Global. The UFC's own wish to push it's own brand hurts them a bit in this instance, although in the long run -- it probably doesn't matter. For Strikeforce, it does help them not only gain Fedor's services, but gain access to M-1's stable of progressing talent. But Strikeforce's more open contracts in allowing their fighters to compete overseas and in other promotions has been regularly brought up by their own fighters as a major perk, and the UFC won't ever allow that to happen. 

Ultimately, this allows them to gain fighters that you would normally associate with a major promotion like the UFC, and that directly affects interest in the promotion. The buzz around the Strikeforce heavyweight grand prix can lend credence to that idea. 

Can Strikeforce compete with the UFC's media machine? Yes, they can, and they have been for a long time. The competition isn't on the level that most fans see as competitive, but in reality -- Strikeforce has a number of ways in which it has turned the tables on the UFC. It may not matter when we stack the promotions' ratings up against one another on a graph, but Strikeforce has some intriguing ways in which it grabs attention. Will it be enough in the long run to help Strikeforce sustain itself? 2011 will be a year in which we find out.

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I like the moves SF has been doing lately. They’ve done some great shows, updated their logo, ramped up production and announced this sick as fuck Tourney. War MMA!

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by xFenixKnightx on Jan 11, 2011 3:37 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

what’s the new logo? The old one sucked

Mcloviiiiin!!

by Disco1Stu on Jan 11, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

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by TylerTreese on Jan 11, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

def better, the other logo looked like a clothing brand

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by Disco1Stu on Jan 11, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s interesting because this logo was created by a clothing brand and the old one wasn’t. It took a while for this logo to grow on me but I really do like it better than the old one now.

by fitefan on Jan 11, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Sick as fuck?

What does that even mean? That doesn’t sound like a good thing.

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by Worldisart on Jan 11, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Lets have some fun this tournaments sick

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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 11, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

At least he didn’t say.. off the hizzy.

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by Leland Roling on Jan 11, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

This tournament is ebola, yo.

by smoogy2 on Jan 11, 2011 9:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Simply put…No. They can’t compete on many levels given their inept PR department. The lack of local advertising for shows and lack of furthering their brand name is killing their chances at long term success.

by mjw2e on Jan 11, 2011 3:39 PM EST reply actions  

No. He is not allowed.

Not today crazy I have a headache.

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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 11, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I read the article…again…and I still disagree with the OP. An attendance seemingly of less than 2k for a SF Challengers-Nashville card where the only time (outside of online blogs) I heard anything about the show was week of proves my point that they can’t compete. Can they survive? Seems as though they can. Compete? No.

by mjw2e on Jan 11, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

You still didn’t read the article.

The point is that Strikeforce simply needs to hang around and steadily gain viewership. If they can do that, they are “competing” in a sense that they are, at the very least, getting eyes on their product and turning a profit.

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by Leland Roling on Jan 11, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I assure you that I’m not trying to argue…but I definitely fall into the category you refer to here…

“The competition isn’t on the level that most fans see as competitive,…”

Can you compete w/o being competitive? Simply being content being the #2 and maybe turning some level of profit isn’t competition to me. I look at it another way…PPV is being considered by Strikeforce not as a way to expand their name or compete w/ the UFC…but a necessity to survive given their needs to improve their bottom line.

by mjw2e on Jan 11, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Can you compete w/o being competitive?

Yes, you can. If you are actually trying to gain some sort of market share or overlapping market share, i.e. viewers watching both promotions, you are still competing for eyes.

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by Leland Roling on Jan 11, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

kind of a silly question
Can you compete w/o being competitive?

If you couldn’t, the NBA would have 20 teams and James Toney would have never competed in the UFC.

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by TheFilt on Jan 11, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Grow the market rather than just try to get a bigger slice of the existing market.

by fitefan on Jan 11, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I blame the 10 point must system.

by fitefan on Jan 11, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

McDonalds is totally LnPing the King.

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by Dave Strummer on Jan 11, 2011 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Not no mo

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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 11, 2011 6:19 PM EST up reply actions  

King of New York...

transformed into the “KING”. And Caruso was a red head.

by Crazynutts on Jan 11, 2011 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

They most likely will not be able to ever reach a point of being neck and neck with the UFC. I just don’t see it happening without a large dramatic event that would collapse the UFC.

But with that said media will not ignore smaller promotions simply because they aren’t the UFC, MMA outside of the UFC from Strikeforce down all have exciting wars, slick submissions and flashy KO’s. But I don’t think another organization will be able to steal the North American spotlight from the UFC.

by OptimusPiss on Jan 11, 2011 3:44 PM EST reply actions  

They most likely will not be able to ever reach a point of being neck and neck with the UFC. I just don’t see it happening without a large dramatic event that would collapse the UFC.

Well, I’m not suggesting that. I’m suggesting that all they need to do is hang around and consistently gain viewership of casual fans.

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by Leland Roling on Jan 11, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly, the narrative is hijacked

where the measure of “success” in this “war” is a “victory” over the UFC. The measure of success is merely if Strikeforce’s numbers are in the black.

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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 11, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Exactly.

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by Leland Roling on Jan 11, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

This is why I took such issue with Strikeforce's 2010 being deemed a failure

for an MMA company to survive in the UFC’s sights alone is a minor success. To turn a profit is a resounding success. Because every goal wasn’t met in 2010 or they ran into some hiccups hardly quantified a “failure”. Relativism.

For some reason the measuring stick of Strikeforce is “be like the UFC” or “do better than the UFC” or “be equal to the UFC”. Those are both irrational and impossible goals. Strikeforce is a different type of player.

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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 11, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

In all fairness

We don’t have access to their books. Are they turning a profit? Probably, but I don’t know.

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by Neil Manich on Jan 11, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, then we agree. I am just suggesting that an organization outside of North America would be the next competitor with the UFC.

by OptimusPiss on Jan 11, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I suppose you’re right in that it isn’t direct competition to "take" viewers away. They simply want to gain those viewers.

There isn’t a rivalry at all in my mind, just two competitors trying to grab a share. Strikeforce needs the UFC. The UFC helps them in helping along the popularity of the sport.

Good comment, rec’d.

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by Leland Roling on Jan 11, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I do what I can

I’ve been cooking up a fanpost on the false dichotomy and the nature of the rivalry as it really exists, and then how it exists with fans on the internet.

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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 11, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

They aren't competing against each other for viewers

but they are competing for talent. The idea that any other promotion can compete for top level talent threatens the UFC’s branding as the elite, premier league. They don’t care how many viewers they each get on the same night, they care about roster quality.

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by pdl on Jan 11, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

And on that level, Strikeforce is doing a good job. They just signed Gian Villante, one of the best LHW talents out there, and he’ll be featured on our prospect report very soon.

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by Leland Roling on Jan 11, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree wholeheartedly.

You’ll remember how much I mentioned that Strikeforce has more ranked fighters on their broadcast than the UFC did during the TUF 12 finale, which was the only time they’ve gone head to head. The viewership numbers aren’t a meaningful point of comparison, but the quality of product and athlete are. And while Strikeforce doesn’t have guys who could replace GSP on a UFC broadcast, they have a plenty of fighters better than Igor Pokrajac and Jonothan Brookins. I’m sure Dana and Joe Silva would love to have Robbie Lawler fight Jacare as a co-main instead of Struve vs. McCorkle.

Also, Lawler vs. Marquardt would be an awesome co-main or fight night headliner. Put that on Versus with Nick Diaz vs. Condit supporting it, you’ve got a great fight card. Again… competition for talent.

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by pdl on Jan 11, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Diaz vs BJ Penn or GSP

That shit promoted right would be a big time PPV.

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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 11, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

This is true.

What pissed off the UFC was Strikeforce’s acquisition of Fedor. The last lineal title still eludes the UFC and while some vehemently disagree, this truly burns Dana.

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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 11, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

You continually saying shit doesn’t make it true.

Guillotine.

by iiowyn on Jan 11, 2011 8:35 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Not only does the UFC want to be branded as the elite, premier league, but their business model is predicated on enormous returns with little expense which can only be accomplished if no one else is capable of driving up the cost of that elite, premiere talent.

by John Nash on Jan 11, 2011 7:16 PM EST up reply actions  

There will always be a need for a second major league show with the way the UFC does business. A lot of this supposed rivalry is a product of overzealous fans and too much free computer time. Strikeforce doesn’t want to hurt the UFC. They just want to stage high level fights and fill arenas.

The first sentance is true, and the UFC knows this as well, but the last bit is probably not how the UFC sees it. SF just wanting to stage high level fights and fill arenas is a part of UFC’s business. Companies want to control the whole pie, not just a piece of it. At the end of the day, they’re both working for the same pool of fighters, and SF nabbing certain fighters like Overeem definitely hurts the UFC. Just look at how the narrative has shifted from the UFC having the best HW division to SF potentially overcomming it in the next few months? The UFC is probably happy to conede a piece of the pie to SF, so long as they can somehow control the size and growth of that piece of pie. These two companies need each other, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the UFC sees this as more of a rivalry than they let on.

by pud333 on Jan 11, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

The UFC sees it as an intense rivalry and it's quite obvious even in White's body language

and any American competitor(IE any “major” show) as a direct threat to their livelihood. They can’t have another company promoting PPV’s, as that would directly impact the buys they get, even if held on different days. There are a finite number of PPV buys out there, as the WWE has learned with the rise of the UFC. Can’t order the Rashad fight this week, my money is wrapped up in the Mousasi/Fedor Card last week.

They’re also worried about a free product taking off. Free is a lot easier of a sell than PPV. The UFC’s business model kind of forces their hand. But I believe this is also why the UFC hasn’t tried to counter a major Strikeforce event in a while with a counter promotion. I don’t think they’ve held a live event during a CBS show. Just replays if I recall correctly. They can’t risk free events on a PPV Saturday.

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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 11, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

So many times Dana gets asked the same questions

about any promotion that pops up. Anytime a player outside of the UFC makes a move that could challenge the UFC in even the slightest way, White is repeatedly asked the same ridiculous questions. The Media likes a battle, and every time a promotion pops up and does something of any significance they promote it as a “competition”. Hyperbole, and conjecture are direct results (at least in regard to fans), always culminating in an “answer” to the UFC, by means of a promotion, or simply a fighter, i.e. Overeem being the best HW in the world, by way of beating Brett Rogers, and winning the K1 Grand Prix, or Affliction being a legitimate threat to the UFC after one PPV. It’s all cyclical, and it’s somewhat instigated.

This isn’t to say that Dana wouldn’t target these companies otherwise, because he is a key component in running a business with visions of HUGE growth in a short period of time. But to blame it simply on Zuffa/Dana is ridiculous. You cannot expect to make comparisons, and such serious claims without getting a response from the most powerful man in MMA. You also can’t expect to compete for the same Market share, and fighters, and expect it to be a non-issue.

"In this fight, Anderson showed he was human," Nogueira said. "He showed he could be weak. But he showed he is a fighter and he brings something from his heart. It was beautiful."

by Broke Lesnar on Jan 11, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

What are you countering exactly?

I don’t really get what you’re response is in response to.

The media bugging him about Fedor isn’t why he obsesses. Dana takes it personally. He feels like any and all other MMA promotions are riding his coattails. He wants to be king of the mountain. I aint mad at him. I’d be Dana if I were in his shoes. There is no “blame”. His personal feelings aside, this is just business.

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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 11, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

What I'm saying is that the media/fans cannot suggest that Dana white is unfairly targetting other promotions

while simultaneously propping up every upstart, or ambitious promotion as some kind of a competitor to the UFC (regarding ratings, fighters, rankings, etc)

I wasn’t disagreeing with everything you said, rather giving an opinion on the role the media plays in a lot of his direct responses/quotes about other promotions. And if the media didn’t give a rats ass about Fedor or Overeem, or SF, or Affliction, I doubt Dana would care. He didn’t want Fedor just cuz he was the best. He wanted Fedor cuz people thought he was the best, and the media said so. The media shapes a lot of these storylines, because in such a young sport sites such as BE, Sherdog shape the views of casuals learning about MMA, just as other fans do in debates/discussions across the interwebs. Brock was the baddest man in the planet/ Alistair is on roids, Copromotion benefits/cons, SF vs. UFC, etc.

As far as the marketshare, everyone knows even the slightest bit of competition is taken seriously by the UFC, and it shouldn’t be a surprise, or a talking point used to make Dana white seem evil, and Zuffa seem like a bully. As you said, business is business.

"In this fight, Anderson showed he was human," Nogueira said. "He showed he could be weak. But he showed he is a fighter and he brings something from his heart. It was beautiful."

by Broke Lesnar on Jan 11, 2011 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea I agree with you then

I really don’t know if the UFC’s paranoia isn’t justified based on their business model. The PPV business is anything but static. Really awesome free fights can and probably will damage their PPV income.

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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 11, 2011 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Except they're putting on the most free fights for Casuals...

at least in regard to exposure. The CBS deal was extremely important to growth of SF. If they can somehow get back on (via live fights, or syndicated programming) they’d have a more realistic way of developing casual interest, and even then it would likely take more than one card every quarter to increase casual interest by enough of a margin to be viable on PPV a few times a year, and/or hurt the Zuffa business model in any significant way.

 Realistically speaking I think Dana’s anger comes more from narratives in MMA being shaped by anyone other than himself. I think that’s more of a feasible threat than loss of ratings/money at the current time. The perception that guys like Fedor, Werdum, and Overeem are top of the heap in the division isn’t one he shares (in the public eye), and is what enables them to make paydays outside of the UFC,even if its in promotions that aren’t signifcant threats to the UFC in most measurable ways (StrikeForce). Not being able to cash in on Overeem, Fedor, Nick Diaz etc. is worse than the benefits SF actually gain from signing the guys.

"In this fight, Anderson showed he was human," Nogueira said. "He showed he could be weak. But he showed he is a fighter and he brings something from his heart. It was beautiful."

by Broke Lesnar on Jan 11, 2011 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that’s more of a feasible threat than loss of ratings/money at the current time.

Maybe not today, what about tomorrow?

My statement was more of a long term prognosis. PPV isn’t static or stable at all looking at it’s history. Allowing SF to gain a foothold now could mean in 2 or 3 years(or significantly less time even) monthly free fights on an outlet like an FX or TBS or some network comparable to Spike, or if the network shows were a big success, even there. That could potentially be devastating to the UFC.

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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 11, 2011 6:47 PM EST up reply actions  

My response initially was more specific to Dana’s approach to dealing with competition in the media, and more of a current outlook on things. Things could definitely change.

If it were to happen it isn’t as if UFC has no options available to them, but of course a few years down the line it could be a potential issue if SF is on free tv, and has made enough money to create or sign more stars, and still has the best HW…. but then again, they were on CBS with the number one HW in the world and weren’t able to capitalize on what was actually a successful event. They can ill afford to make the same mistakes that have seen them basically make no significant headway regarding brand recognition, or even star power amongst fighters.

"In this fight, Anderson showed he was human," Nogueira said. "He showed he could be weak. But he showed he is a fighter and he brings something from his heart. It was beautiful."

by Broke Lesnar on Jan 11, 2011 8:01 PM EST up reply actions  

The difference is that the UFC used to target companies that were doing every thing they could to stay out of the UFC’s way. That is quite different from what we have now. SF has fired a shot across the bow of the UFC here and I think you will see a different reaction when the UFC responds.

I notice that since SF announced their tournament every one with a pulse and an eating disorder in the UFC suddenly has has a fight. Tell me competition isn’t good.

by fitefan on Jan 11, 2011 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

conjecture...

Brock was never for certain gone. Carwin had an injury before the SF tourney was announced. Roy had contract problems that were already in the process of being resolved. People only assumed that these things were long term problems, but outside of Cain’s injury, apparently they were wrong.

"In this fight, Anderson showed he was human," Nogueira said. "He showed he could be weak. But he showed he is a fighter and he brings something from his heart. It was beautiful."

by Broke Lesnar on Jan 11, 2011 7:54 PM EST up reply actions  

nope.

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by Bonedoctor on Jan 11, 2011 3:50 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks for the enlightening analysis.

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by Leland Roling on Jan 11, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

A few things...

As far as casual fans go, I rarely hear any mention of Strikeforce outside of BE and other MMA websites. Also, I wouldn’t say that SF gets the same amount of coverage as the UFC even on MMA websites. Right now the internet is ablaze regarding this tournament, but UFC still seems to dominate news on a regular basis, and has for a while, just based on the sheer amount of events that they put on, the number of top fighters they have, and the ratings they get.

I don’t understand why fans/writers have to allude to the differences in the promotion when it comes to advantages of the UFC, and how the playing field isn’t the same for SF so the expectations shouldn’t be so high, whilst still trying to compare the two promotions. It seems to me that it defeats the purpose completely.

Do i think they can compete? Nah, not really, for a lot of reasons. But I also think the goal should to be to coexist, and piggyback the success of the UFC, whilst establishing some kind of brand recognition. Competition really isn’t what SF wants, nor should it be.

"In this fight, Anderson showed he was human," Nogueira said. "He showed he could be weak. But he showed he is a fighter and he brings something from his heart. It was beautiful."

by Broke Lesnar on Jan 11, 2011 3:51 PM EST reply actions  

I think you are right in that they dominate the news, but that’s mainly because the UFC is synonymous with MMA. In terms of actual media members and coverage from reputable outlets, Strikeforce gets nearly the same exposure. Obviously, the intangibles of other media that Strikeforce doesn’t gain like small newspapers, indirect media sources that promote fighters, etc. plays in the UFC’s favor. Obviously, number of events the UFC puts on helps them immensely.

Do i think they can compete? Nah, not really, for a lot of reasons. But I also think the goal should to be to coexist, and piggyback the success of the UFC, whilst establishing some kind of brand recognition. Competition really isn’t what SF wants, nor should it be.

That’s essentially what my view was:

Some would say that this is a war that can never be won by Strikeforce, but this isn’t a conventional war with battleships and marine recon teams. They don’t need to win the war. All they need to do is hang around and steadily become more aware in the eyes of casual mixed martial arts fans. The goal here is to make a considerable profit, and while that may not actually translate to revenue on the level of the UFC — it won’t take as much revenue for Strikeforce to deem themselves a huge success in any given fiscal year.

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by Leland Roling on Jan 11, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Let's say worse case scenario...

SF can’t get back on CBS. How do they get those casual fans attention? I remember seeing Affliction advertising in a lot of places I would have never thought possible. Also I think Affliction spent a very good chunk of change on advertising. SF seems to be a little more frugal with their cash.

Also did you see the numbers for this past Challengers Event? They were pretty low considering it was a free preview weekend on Showtime.

by Crazynutts on Jan 11, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I think using the Challengers cards is a bit over the top. The problem with Strikeforce’s Challengers series is that it’s under the same model as their main cards, stuck in a limited viewership model. UFC doesn’t have that problem. They have Spike TV.

But to your other point, I think Strikeforce would need to pick away at the market and hope to steadily gain some eyes via media relations, promoting the fighters in more creative ways, and signing solid talent early before the UFC can snatch them up.

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by Leland Roling on Jan 11, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly, crawl before they walk

affliction burst out of the gate in a full sprint.

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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 11, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

This. Remember Zuffa went out and got a loan for 400 million dollars to kick start things and was able to do that because of the Fertitas could back stop it. Coker doesn’t have $400 million though his partner might. Strikeforce has had to grow in a responsible manner. But now they don’t have $400M they need to pay back.

by fitefan on Jan 11, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Zuffa needed the loan,

as the entire MMA sphere was completely different. Promoting MMA NOW, vs. when Zuffa bought the UFC is apples and oranges.

I do think however that SF has the best chance of any promotion to survive outside of the UFC, but that isn’t saying much, as each previous promotion basically ran itself into the ground. They’ve got Zuffa’s model to learn from, and they also have various failures to learn from, to avoid history repeating itself.

They SHOULD be able to survive, but they’ve seemed to waste a bit of energy and time which has resulted in ratings stagnation, and also lack of home-grown star power/potential. In any case, they’ve made it this far, have put together a tourney that apparently has made the hardcore fanbase forgive and forget previous mistakes, and may once again have the #1 RANKED HW. This has the potential to end a lot of different ways, and it will be up to Coker to make SF a viable product for free, and for pay.

"In this fight, Anderson showed he was human," Nogueira said. "He showed he could be weak. But he showed he is a fighter and he brings something from his heart. It was beautiful."

by Broke Lesnar on Jan 11, 2011 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Copying the Zuffa model will get you killed. No one else is in the position to promote the way they do. I disagree that they have a huge dearth of home grown talent. They’ve got a good crop up and coming. They’re progressing at the right pace in the right way.

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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 11, 2011 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not talking the pace, or the growth of prospects...

but instead the lack of exposure, or excitement for fighters that could easily be more popular, or at the very least, known. Del Rosario, Cormier, Beerbohm, Rockhold, etc. I’m of the opinion that these are missed opportunities with good prospects, who have probably been seen by literally their base audience, and few others (casuals).

Also, I’m not saying they should follow Zuffa’s model; They do however have a successful track record to learn from, with successes and failures. It can’t hurt to understand what they do right, and what has been the cause of their successes. Especially when they plan on running a PPV (this has apparently been in their plans), and when they start to compete for the best fighters in the world, and their salaries.

"In this fight, Anderson showed he was human," Nogueira said. "He showed he could be weak. But he showed he is a fighter and he brings something from his heart. It was beautiful."

by Broke Lesnar on Jan 11, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

but instead the lack of exposure, or excitement for fighters that could easily be more popular, or at the very least, known. Del Rosario, Cormier, Beerbohm, Rockhold, et

Hey I am with you on this. They’re not developing these up and coming guys profile as good as they should be. While we’re on the subject, I also think the UFC could do a better job of raising the profile of certain fighters. Most people barely realized the tear Jim Miller has been on until his last fight.

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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 11, 2011 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree, but Jim has been on main cards of UFC events which reach a pretty big audience.

Now it’s time to put the promotion behind him, as he nears his title shot. With the amount of fighters the UFC have they still are able to push narratives, and create decent fight-lines, and setup multiple contenders. While these guys get fights usually one or two guys emerge as the clear contender, and does his part (in the octagon, and out) to promote himself. This isn’t to say the machine is perfect, but even right now Miller has to contend with Pettis, Maynard, Sotiropolus for the title shot. Even Guida has a chance to earn a title shot, because of his exposure to the UFC audience.

SF has a much smaller pool of talent, with guys that are definitely available to help their efforts in the long term. They put on exciting cards, but when they got on CBS they should have had some understanding of the Time Frame which they had to develop or sign stars. They have Fedor, Overeem, Nick Diaz, and Hendo, but haven’t been able to develop anyone else to lead the way. They do have good fighters on their roster, but that just doesn’t seem like it will be enough in the landscape of MMA as it is.

"In this fight, Anderson showed he was human," Nogueira said. "He showed he could be weak. But he showed he is a fighter and he brings something from his heart. It was beautiful."

by Broke Lesnar on Jan 11, 2011 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the lack of exposure shows quite a bit when people talk about Strikeforce having a lot of good prospects. Del Rosario has been fighting longer than Ryan Bader and is still considered a prospect.

Guillotine.

by iiowyn on Jan 11, 2011 8:46 PM EST up reply actions  

If memory serves me right the majority of that loan wasn’t to kick start anything but to pay some $300 million out to the owners so they could take their profits out in advance in case the whole thing ended up being a fad. Smart.

by John Nash on Jan 11, 2011 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

If you remember it, I believe you

considering you’re one of the better posters in the community. I don’t know much regarding most of their business, just that obviously the climate was obviously different when they decided to buy the UFC, making the situation more high risk/high reward than the ones upstart promotions face today.

"In this fight, Anderson showed he was human," Nogueira said. "He showed he could be weak. But he showed he is a fighter and he brings something from his heart. It was beautiful."

by Broke Lesnar on Jan 11, 2011 8:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you

And I must say you are perhaps my favorite of the many Lesnar’s here.

But I didn’t trust myself so I had to check and I’m pleased to report I was close:

Proceeds of the term loan were used to pay a one-time special dividend to Zuffa’s owners, the Fertitta brothers (90 percent) and Dana White (10 percent), and to refinance the company’s existing debt. The amount of debt Zuffa refinanced and the amount it paid out in dividends can only be speculated.
The loan was originally $275 but was upped to $325 when they decided to buy Pride and their previous debt was thought to be around $40-50 million. Then in 2009 they took out a $100 million loan and paid out $75 million in dividend payments. So $300 million sounds about right.

by John Nash on Jan 11, 2011 8:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Strikeforce has a syndicated show coming in the spring. That will be a big step in the right direction.

by fitefan on Jan 11, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I think SF has the best chance to stay afloat.

With all the other organizations that didn’t make it, I firmly believe SF is doing a way better job than they did. SF still isn’t without it’s fair share of problems. But I think they are learning as they continue to progress.

If all goes as planned with the tournament it will be interesting to see how the MMA landscape has changed come 2012. I believe SF will set loftier goals for the upcoming year.

by Crazynutts on Jan 11, 2011 3:58 PM EST reply actions  

This is the first place where a major media push was mandatory for SF and they need to show thy are up to the challenge. Dana has said that the count down show cost 1.5 million to do so a challengers show was never going to cover that. The tournament is a whole different beast.

by fitefan on Jan 11, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Competition really isn’t what SF wants, nor should it be.

This is the truth of the issue, but always seems lost in the shuffle.

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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 11, 2011 3:58 PM EST reply actions  

Strikeforce does a good job of offering things the UFC isn't interested in

It’s willing to copromote which isn’t in the UFC’s business plan for obvious reasons, and because of it has put on some great fights you wouldn’t otherwise be able to see stateside. Such as bringing Jacare over, Mousasi, Aoki, Fedor, Zaromskis, and now Kawajiri. The pay off isn’t as big as landing a huge Japanese star like the UFC just did by signing Kid or Gomi, but it also costs less. Plus Strikeforce is more willing to put on superfights which don’t fit the UFC model like Diaz/Shamrock. It’s little things like this that Strikeforce is doing to carve a niche in the MMA landscape thatmakes them worth following and that the UFC can never offer. Will they ever overcome the UFC? No, and that’s obviously not their goal. But they can put on interesting fights worth watching.

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by Neil Manich on Jan 11, 2011 3:59 PM EST reply actions  

And they can steadily gain viewership and turn a profit, which is ultimately the goal here. Obviously, the assumption that we are all talking about Strikeforce “competing” with the UFC, i.e. overcoming them, is absurd to believe. Hanging around isn’t.

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by Leland Roling on Jan 11, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

This type of rationality in the Strikeforce/UFC debate is truly refreshing. Good stuff.

It seems the internet rivalry is so heated that even defending SF as a valid promotion gets misinterpreted as “UFC hater”

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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 11, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Since the College Football National Championship was last night

I figured this would be a good analogy:

The UFC is Auburn, a long, big time college football powerhouse from the best BCS conference.

Strikeforce is TCU. A smaller, non-BCS school that can be competitive from time to time, but at the end of the day, is always going to be on the outside looking in.

by Matt D on Jan 11, 2011 4:04 PM EST reply actions  

TCU is moving to an AQ conference and beat a BCS school

and Auburn hadn’t won a title in like 60 years.

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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 11, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

TCU is moving to an AQ conference and beat a BCS school

which is why I put above

non-BCS school that can be competitive from time to time

and yes, TCU is moving to a BCS conference, but to keep the subject on MMA, Strikeforce does not have this luxury.

Also, just because Strikeforce will probably never become the giant the UFC is, it doesn’t mean they can’t be successful and competitive like non-bcs schools like Boise St and TCU

by Matt D on Jan 11, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

That has been my point in this thread

I just thought the analogy wasn’t that applicable. It’s all good.

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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 11, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Pride is the power house and the UFC is the little guy and they are always going to be looking in.

by fitefan on Jan 11, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I think a better football anology

might be the NFL vs. AFL “rivalry.” The NFL was fairly established, plus had the known talent and some money to spend. The AFL gambled on some name talent, like Namath, bit it was years before anyone even considered them competing with each other. Make no mistake though, there was a competition for viewers and ticket sales. I think it’s the same with UFC vs. Strikeforce. Yes, you can be a fan of both, but there’s a large number of paying viewers that won’t have the time or money to follow both, and that’s where the competition is. These are “birds” of a more limited means and attention.

by rzor on Jan 11, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Another valid comparision

I like your comparision of the AFL and NFL. When I think of the UFC and Strikeforce what more comes to my mind is the NFL vs the USFL, before Trump runined the USFL. The NFL was the clear number one, drawing the biggest ratings and the vast majority of the best players. However there was a place for the USFL. They drew some big players like Doug Flutie, Mike Rozier, Reggie White, Jim Kelly, and ironically Herschel Walker. With proper management I think there is certainly a place for Strikeforce. They offer fighters like Overeem a chance to compete both in the United States and in Japan. I also think their partnership with Showtime can be big for them. I would caution against their use of PPV however. It’s so hard to break into PPV and even the WWE can’t produce very solid numbers anymore.

by pcusick13 on Jan 11, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Short answer

No

It will be a long time before StrikeForce is in a position to compete with the UFC’s media machine.

If StrikeForce does decide to do a PPV event this year, the UFC will either counter it with one of their big PPV’s or a good free event.

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by Chris Groves on Jan 11, 2011 4:18 PM EST reply actions  

The UFC will not play chicken with Showtime PPVs.

Could backfire badly.

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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 11, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

If you remember back to last year when Coker was thinking of putting together a PPV with Fedor and Overeem berfore Werdum messed the whole thing up. Dana was talking about a free card with a PPV worthy head liner. When Werdum won and the PPV got scrapped the whole thing just faded into the back ground.

I think Zuffa planned to fire with all guns if SF got into PPV which they regard as their turf. Word on the street was that CBS had threatened to put a show on network opposite a UFC PPV if they didn’t back off on the counter programming. Whether that really happened or not I am not sure. But it is possible. CBS/Showtime can’t be seen to be getting their teeth kicked in endlessly with out fighting back.

Zuffa will not be interested in SF being in the PPV business at all. But I don’t know if they have the talent available right now to do any thing about it.

by fitefan on Jan 11, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Zuffa planned to fire with all guns if SF got into PPV which they regard as their turf. Word on the street was that CBS had threatened to put a show on network opposite a UFC PPV if they didn’t back off on the counter programming.

This is why SF has been left alone.

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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 11, 2011 8:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Uh, yeah they will

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by Chris Groves on Jan 11, 2011 6:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I was replying to Bieber

If you think that the UFC will allow StrikeForce to do a PPV and go unopposed without some sort of PPV or free event counterting it, you are wrong.

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by Chris Groves on Jan 11, 2011 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Possibly

The UFC usually attacks other major PPVs.

But Showtime is a major PPV player. It’s one thing to be like “The Showtime dude is a dick” and it’s another to counter promote them with a live card. They aint Bodog. HBO and Showtime always counter each other and steal each other’s buys and eyes. Does the UFC want to test those waters? Maybe they could force them out of the game early, or maybe they really piss Showtime off, causing Showtime to attack their events. Strikeforce is usually a free* product. Does the UFC want to risk their events going head to head with a free(on Showtime) card?

I’m not so sure.

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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 11, 2011 6:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Showtime PPV

is terrible. I don’t think anyone is scared of going toe to toe with them.

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by Chris Barton on Jan 11, 2011 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Is it a headache they want?

They probably can’t avoid this, but the UFC up till now has not countered SF with live events for a reason.

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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 11, 2011 8:07 PM EST up reply actions  

It's because it doesn't hurt the UFC.

Why waste time on something that is not in any way conflicting with your own plans. Well, at least up till now. The tournament has to be bothering the UFC a little bit.

by Crazynutts on Jan 11, 2011 8:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope more and more people realize this and take notice how selfish Zuffa really is…one side they say they dont care strikeforce is a minor league and that the’ll never gain the prestige the UFC has, yet on the other side when SF is doin something right, they get loose motions and start downplaying it and its fighters.

Its embarrassing Dana promotes himself the way he does. ANd i think its hurts the sport overall.

by Menime on Jan 11, 2011 4:22 PM EST reply actions  

why shouldn't they be selfish?

They’ve done most of the legwork getting MMA sanctioned, and somewhat popularized in the US. They are also a business, and the leader in their market. Selfishness would seem to me a prerequisite.

"In this fight, Anderson showed he was human," Nogueira said. "He showed he could be weak. But he showed he is a fighter and he brings something from his heart. It was beautiful."

by Broke Lesnar on Jan 11, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess that works from a capitalist point of view.

But what would be better was if the UFC did more to help the sport grow, not just its own pockets.

by Menime on Jan 11, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

if the sport growing means they're pockets shrink or their piece of the pie shrinks

hard to fault them.

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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 11, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

No other company has helped the sport grow in a measurable way in the US

beside the UFC.

"In this fight, Anderson showed he was human," Nogueira said. "He showed he could be weak. But he showed he is a fighter and he brings something from his heart. It was beautiful."

by Broke Lesnar on Jan 11, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

They’ve done most of the legwork getting MMA sanctioned

You mean like when Lorenzo voted against MMA in Nevada?

by fitefan on Jan 11, 2011 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

does that negate my statement?

or is it just a snarky remark intended to be funny, and earn recs among those who choose not to be objective in a conversation that involves UFC and SF?

"In this fight, Anderson showed he was human," Nogueira said. "He showed he could be weak. But he showed he is a fighter and he brings something from his heart. It was beautiful."

by Broke Lesnar on Jan 11, 2011 5:47 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

It’s meant to point out the fact that they aren’t the angels you paint them to be. Zuffa didn’t bring in the unified rules and a lot of what they have done was for their own good and some times at the expense of the sport. I think it is a little early for the knighthood,

by fitefan on Jan 11, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

nobody painted a black and white picture here.

But in terms of significantly advancing the sport of MMA in the US, it is without a doubt the UFC. They’ve done their due diligence to get sanctioning wherever they market demanded them, and doing so they have reaped the rewards WHILE spreading the sport. You seem to be of the opinion that some gray areas change any of those things.

The entire popularity of the sport here is based off of the UFC explosion.

"In this fight, Anderson showed he was human," Nogueira said. "He showed he could be weak. But he showed he is a fighter and he brings something from his heart. It was beautiful."

by Broke Lesnar on Jan 11, 2011 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

UB
snarky remark

It’s a world gone mad…

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by Chris Barton on Jan 11, 2011 9:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree, they are a business, which means they should be selfish. I only find it offensive when fans attribute altruistic motives to their greedy actions. The same goes for Strikeforce.

by John Nash on Jan 11, 2011 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

To answer the question posed in the title . . .

Probably not. The thing about having the dominant position is that you can use that dominant position to quash rivals and the UFC has not been shy about using that position to quash potential rivals (or just buying them if they become too successful).

Right now, pretty much the only person who will tear down the UFC from it’s top spot as an MMA promotion is the UFC. Which I think is fairly likely. And if (when) that happens, Strikeforce might be the guys who pick up the pieces but it won’t be because they out-competed the UFC. It’ll be because the UFC did something wrong.

by Christopher Bradley on Jan 11, 2011 4:23 PM EST reply actions  

Is there a Deathmobile hidden in Strikeforce's cake?
Bluto: Hey! What’s all this laying around stuff? Why are you all still laying around here for?
Stork: What the hell are we supposed to do, ya moron? We’re all expelled. There’s nothing to fight for anymore.
D-Day: [to Bluto] Let it go. War’s over, man. Wormer dropped the big one.
Bluto: What? Over? Did you say “over”? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
Otter: [to Boon] Germans?
Boon: Forget it, he’s rolling.
Bluto: And it ain’t over now. ‘Cause when the goin’ gets tough…
[thinks hard of something to say]
Bluto: The tough get goin’! Who’s with me? Let’s go!
[Bluto runs out, alone; then returns]
Bluto: What the fuck happened to the Delta I used to know? Where’s the spirit? Where’s the guts, huh? This could be the greatest night of our lives, but you’re gonna let it be the worst. “Ooh, we’re afraid to go with you Bluto, we might get in trouble.” Well just kiss my ass from now on! Not me! I’m not gonna take this. Wormer, he’s a dead man! Marmalard, dead! Niedermeyer…
Otter: Dead! Bluto’s right. Psychotic… but absolutely right. We gotta take these bastards. Now we could do it with conventional weapons, but that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody’s part!
Bluto: We’re just the guys to do it.
D-Day: [stands up] Yeah, I agree. Let’s go get ‘em.
Boon: Let’s do it.
Bluto: [shouting] “Let’s do it”!
[all of the Deltas stand up and run out with Bluto]

by who me on Jan 11, 2011 4:28 PM EST reply actions  

kind of analagous to conventional vs guerilla warefare

Great post.

There always seems to be room for two at the top (coke/pepsi, McDonalds/BK, every corner where there’s two gas stations).

Thus, SF doesn’t have to beat UFC to claim the other spot at the top. They have lower overhead because they’re essentially drafting behind the UFC, which is breaking trail. As long as they’re good enough they’ll get sucked along.

I also think that the power of the blogosphere can’t be underestimated in Strikeforces viability. This is one media/dialog that the UFC can’t control. The heavyweight “tourney” perfectly illustrates this. If it were up to Dana we wouldn’t be talking about it.

But we are, son.

by Organ-Donor on Jan 11, 2011 4:36 PM EST reply actions  

Uhh, yes.

If you think about it in the context that Strikeforce doesn’t run at a breakneck pace and flood the market with events, the media does cover them as much when those events actually come along.

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by Leland Roling on Jan 11, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

NO, I said

check the tags. There are 2 and a bit of pages of articles for SF Challengers 13, and 6 and counting for the TUF 12 finale.

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by some schmuck in texas on Jan 11, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s the worst comparison ever.

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by Leland Roling on Jan 11, 2011 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

which two events do you think are more appropriate to compare?

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by some schmuck in texas on Jan 11, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

The coverage for the two isn't exactly the same but Roling has a good point over all

http://espn.go.com/mma/

Right now the cover stories are divided 2 ufc 2 strikeforce and one mmalive story. The headlines on the side are slightly tipped in the UFC’s favor but that isn’t always the case. Strikeforce gets coverage.

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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 11, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

oh yeah

SF get’s coverage out of proportion to it’s roster’s size and depth, and also out of proportion to it’s overall budget. But that’s far and away from being covered at the same pace per event.

I’d go and dig up coverage of Lesnar/Velasquez vs Emilianenko/Werdum (that seems pretty appropriate to me) for comparison, but I’ve got too much other shit to do.

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by some schmuck in texas on Jan 11, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Why? Lesnar is MMA's biggest star.

What would that prove?

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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 11, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

then we're back to my previous question

what is the appropriate comparison, one event to a similarly momentous event?

I figured the heavyweight torch passing in SF and the UFC was pretty similarly momentous.

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by some schmuck in texas on Jan 11, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think their coverage is exactly the same but relative it is very similar. No one gets close to the mainstream coverage as Strikeforce does. Not even close. Exactly the same? No. But we don’t need to nickpick the way Leland worded it.

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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 11, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

fair enough

I think the viral marketing pandemic* that is (or was, two years ago) Bellator needs to be addressed in this conversation, too. BFC is microbial* compared to SF and UFC, but used very savvy manipulation of the internet to turn a few nice highlights into an actual borderline major promotion.

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by some schmuck in texas on Jan 11, 2011 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Another sapect I think people miss is that not all of the “UFC” advertising is actually done by the UFC. Go near any of the MMA web sites on the week of a UFC PPV and you get bombarded by adds for the UFC event but a very large piece of those aren’t the UFC but are cable companies, especially Comcast. Why would they advertise a UFC event? Because they get a taste of the UFC PPV. If SF does a PPV we might start to see the cable companies help push it.

Similar a lot of the the other info you see isn’t the UFC doing some thing it is sports sites etc going out there and hunting down a story. The UFC may or may not help some one get in touch with a fighter. The more interest in an event the more sites and stories that sites and sports news is going to be motivated to do some thing for it.

by fitefan on Jan 11, 2011 4:36 PM EST reply actions  

Great article

I think its awesome that Strikeforce is getting more attention these days. The heavyweight tournament has a lot to do with that, which is awesome, but I’ve thinking for a while that SF puts out quality MMA. Their challengers series is great, their main cards have been entertaining, and they continue to sign and develop new talent. Also their whole rebranding campaign is going great, I love the new logo. I see no reason why MMA fans can’t appreciate both the UFC and Strikeforce for what they each bring to the table.

side note: I’m really effing exciting for this tourney to get rolling

by QuickJack on Jan 11, 2011 5:30 PM EST reply actions  

Now this gets a record.

And wasn’t this sensationalistic enough to get a comment from subo, logic, or a thousand Zuffa sucks commentators?

by John Nash on Jan 11, 2011 7:31 PM EST reply actions  

I am surprised too

I think my piece from yesterday served as a sponge for a lot of that.

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by Urijah Bieber on Jan 11, 2011 8:09 PM EST up reply actions  

my problem

okay here is my problem with some of the MMA outlets/experts/fans aka business experts/analysts
comparing UFC n Strikeforce:
1) UFC’s been around for around decade n Strikeforce is around for only 18-19 months, why would you want to compare n then write off a business who are that young and trying to establish themselves??? Like Coker said, 2010 was PHASE-1 of their business where they were just trying to hang around, trying to find new audiences, trying to grab eyeballs with news ( good or bad). UFC is ESTABLISHED business and they are A PROFITABLE business for years now. THEY have their loyal viewers and which will support them not matter what but Strikeforce, being the new guy relying on ppl who have neutral opinion and who love MMA rather than just one League. I knw you cant help it but compare but I think Compare Strikeforce with UFC is just insane considering STRIKEFORCE is young.

2) everyone knows where UFC’s revenue comes from, how rich they are and they just predict Doom n Gloom for Strikeforce not because Strikeforce is running into lose but because they dont know what Strikeforce’s revenue stream is..
these facts can be confirmed and provided by strikeforce’s Scott Coker→

a) they have 7 figure TV deal ( world wide in 80 countries, including eastern europe, asia,australia etc etc )
b) their sponosers like EA, Rockstar etc etc
c) their TV deal in US ( showtime/CBS)
d) their GATE collection ( which is their smallest part of revenue)
e) Merchandise etc..

most of the fans just look at strikeforce’s attendance and US tv viewership n think that’s it, Strikeforce is horrible n they r done but reality is STRIKEFORCE’s running cost is way less than UFC ( even if you consider hiring cost of FEDOR, OVEREEM)

their advertising and marketing costs are also way smaller than UFC
they dont have offices and personnel all around the world like UFC.

2) now coming to Strikeforce’s business model, every tom dick n herry thinks Scott is stupid to have relationship with M-1 n fighters that fight everywhr but in Strikeforce… these fans think they are smarter than the person running strikeforce and reality most of these fans r just online worriers.. but look at this business model closely:→

UFC has a business model which is not most traditional and its Zuffa has taken good bits frm Boxing and left out bad bits to make UFC what it is today.

but I think ( its just my opinion not analysis ) Strikeforce in the long run will be more successful. if you look at 2011 ( already) their HW champ although has fought only once in years is hailed by so many MMA fans as a legit MMA champ and may be mayb the most dangerous MMA fighter at the moment ..even considering he fought only once in years!!! why is that?? BECAUSE he has WON K-1 Grand Prix, becuase he is DREAM Champ!! that makes him LEGIT..n rightfully so. if he was in UFC, He wouldnt be allowed to fight in K-1 or Dream which means He’d would be just UFC CHAMP which is in my opinion is less impressive than being STrikeforce champ, Dream champ, K-1 champ. look at Brock, he lost n where is he? almost every one has written him OFF!! he is not more " the baddest man on the planet" n this title changes every month. But WIth Strikeforce, their HW champ is thought of as a BIG threat to any HW n imagine what if he WON this Grand Prix as well?? he’l become ( arguably) the best MMA HW. but if he wasnt fighting in K-1 or DREAM he would never achieve this kind of success n Strikeforce wouldnt have a CHAMP to boast of.

same with FEDOR, the guy is legend n can beat anybody but is with Strikeforce because of their business model. IMAGINE if he becomes Grand Prix cham + strikeforce CHAMP he will be BEST HW in the world again topping all UFC HWs..

Strikeforce is planning to host STRIKEFORCE vs DREAM in JAPAN.. what kind of exposure will it give them in ASIA?among hardcore MMA fans?

Strikeforce will always co-promote and will always have better talent look at the HWD already.. same will be for all the division in the future as STRIKEFORCE becomes bigger and better. you can already see the production changes, logo changes and many other changes for better in their business. they are plannin to do PPV, they have a solid TV deal. if that’s not GROWTH then what IS???

Strikeforce 18 months old baby is givin UFC a decade old hulk some competition IMAGINE if they are able to execute their plans successfully. I knw therez lot of Dilemma at the moment but it is Because STRIKEFORCE is thought of as SECOND tier PROMOTION or B grade PROMOTION not only by the fans but also fighters. BUT as THEY GROW, they become more popular they pay their Fighters MORE , they gonna get more respect and more legitimacy by everyone. I think they have already sorted out thier long term contract with M-1 GLOBAL and there will be no re-negotiations for good part of this contract, they have multi year contract with CBS/SHOWTIME, M-1 Global now.

all I can say.. I am impressed with STRIKEFORCE, for what they have achieve and for what they are doing. THEY had tough time, as any new business would when you already have a giant like UFC in the market who had monopolized the market and had all the media in their pocket. But with their december show n now ever improving challenger cards and now GRand Prix and co-promotion with DREAM and not to forget M-1 Global style inter-continent or international style challenge cards they will be introducing soon.. I think STRIKEFORCE is entering into full time battle with UFC. and they have achieved all this in just 20 months time… if that’s not impressive then I Dont knw what is…….

naysayrs been sayin frm day one that Strikeforce is gonna fold by end of this ( every year) year.. but actual scene is totally contrast….

by devilzowwn on Jan 11, 2011 9:06 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

apologies

english is not my first language so there are many spelling mistakes and grammatical mistakes… if you have read my comment and are annoyed I apologies.. lol … dont b mad.. just putting my opinion there.. may b I am wrong or partially right.. you can share your opinion on the facts/opinions that I have provided.. :) good day to everyone.

by devilzowwn on Jan 11, 2011 9:16 PM EST up reply actions  

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