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Josh Barnett Talks Steroids, Strikeforce Tournament

The babyface of PED use in MMA. Photo via MMA Junkie

Josh Barnett, former UFC champion and Pride Fighting star, hasn't fought in the U.S. since failing a drug test in 2009. That was his third time to be popped for steroids by an athletic commission testing regime. 

He remains unrepentant and denies having cheated, but he does think other fighters are up to no good as he told Ariel Helwani:

"I think everybody is doing whatever they can to get an edge on their opponent, no matter what, be it taking anything whether it's illegal or legal," Barnett said. "Is it working? I don't really know. I don't think so. I wouldn't know (a percentage of fighters using PEDs) and even if I did I wouldn't say even if I did. ... I'm a big proponent of 'What happens in the locker room stays in the locker room.' I'm no snitch. But I fought when there wasn't regulatory bodies, and I fought guys who were way jacked to the gills (on steroids). I never cared - I just fought them anyways. I don't care what pill you take or what shot or what new supplement or what diet you do. There's only so much of anything that can really ever help you, and the rest of it is whether you've got it or you don't."

Barnett also responded to critics who say that his half of the Strikeforce tournament bracket, which features Andrei Arlovski, Sergei Kharitonov, Brett Rogers and Barnett is weak:

"Ain't none of these guys gonna roll over for me," Barnett said. "A guy like Kharitonov or Arlovski, Brett Rogers - none of those people are going to let me past them, for sure. I don't know if they want it as bad as I do, but I know that they want it as bad as however they do. They want to be the champion. So I'm going to expect everybody to show up and fight me with the best them that they've ever been, because they want it bad enough."

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There’s only so much of anything that can really ever help you, and the rest of it is whether you’ve got it or you don’t."

I’ve heard a number of baseball players state that drugs really don’t help you hit a fast ball.

Excuse my emotional, reactionary, fanatic output but Pettis will be the next UFC lightweight champion. Period.
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by VeeisAnimated on Jan 11, 2011 10:01 AM EST reply actions  

Gold.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jan 11, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

they also help you get the energy and muscles needed to play a162 games in one summer.

by Phildo on Jan 11, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm no so sure about roids giving you more energy...

And a baseball season starts in Spring and ends in Fall (where i come from anyway)

If an injury has to be done to a man, it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared. - Niccolo Machiavelli

by Brewtality55 on Jan 11, 2011 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

steroids help your muscles recover faster so you can work out more or compete more, they don’t just make your muscles bigger.

by Phildo on Jan 11, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Somewhat surprisingly to me,

they actual increase muscle size significantly, even without any training.

"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee

by The American Ronin on Jan 11, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

That is true, but pure hitters like Bonds

go from hitting doubles and shots that die at the warning track to hitting upper deck monsters…

They just increase strength (and power if properly trained for), underlying skill is unaffected.

"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee

by The American Ronin on Jan 11, 2011 10:37 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Eh

Roids can seemingly quicken your bat speed without lengthening your swing AKA you have more time to react to the pitch, which obviously is enormous for hitting the ball.

Of course no one mentions that players have been jacked up on greenies for decades, which is going to allow you to read the ball faster, which gives you more time to react to the pitch…

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jan 11, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

The resulting increasing bat speed is probably the biggest part of the reason that guys who use go from career doubles guys to HR hitters.

"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee

by The American Ronin on Jan 11, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I hear that athletes use steroids more for injuries than anything else.

I won't jump off the bandwagon just because you lost.

by chrisbboy82 on Jan 11, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

In my experience, a lot of guys who would never use them as performance enhancers per se are more open to using them to help recover from injury. The additional size and/or strength is more a side effect for them than anything else.

Having said that, there are many of those who also wind up as longer term users once they see the benefits.

The other groups who frequently turn to them are the mid-tier and lower-tier guys looking for a way to move up, particularly among those who believe that “everyone else is doing it.”

Think about it – you are a guy, living your dream as a linebacker. You have floated team to team as a back-up and special teams guy. You see and hear about many of the starters for various teams doing it, but it just feels too much like cheating.

Then you get an injury that leads to muscle atrophy and you get put on IR, knowing full well your career and your dreams may be coming to an end. You have been rehabbing diligently but you are a little older now and it takes longer to heal.

You finally ask the assistant S & C guy who has been working with you if he knows any way to improve or speed up your recovery. After a brief and veiled conversation, the guy trusts you and gives you the number of a friend who can “show you some other things that might help.”

I can’t speak for everyone, but having seen similar scenarios play out on the other side, were I the athlete in that situation I can’t say I wouldn’t do the exact same thing.

"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee

by The American Ronin on Jan 11, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Public Opinion

I think a lot of guys also say they use due to injury because it looks better in the eye of the public. For some reason people feel its less like cheating if its to get healthy rather than to better their performance. Thus, users come out and say it was to help recover from injury so it does not look as bad.

by schm1583 on Jan 11, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Among those caught, absolutely, regardless of truth or lack thereof...

I was talking about those not caught.

"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee

by The American Ronin on Jan 11, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, you didn't do roids Josh?

Neither did this mutant…

Honest.

It takes a big man to cry. But it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man crying.

by Jaspawokki on Jan 11, 2011 10:05 AM EST reply actions  

aww Fedor looks so cute in this GIF =P

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by TylerTreese on Jan 11, 2011 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't be fooled

He beats the fuck out of bears for shits and giggles.

It takes a big man to cry. But it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man crying.

by Jaspawokki on Jan 11, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Just looks like a dad

who’s 12 year old is playing around like he is threatening him…

"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee

by The American Ronin on Jan 11, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Did Fedor ….. smile?

by fitefan on Jan 11, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

someone told hin

"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."

by the-gentle-way on Jan 11, 2011 4:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

great idea to plan a ppv

when this guy is one of the potential finalists in the tournament.

what could possibly go wrong?

by woooburn on Jan 11, 2011 10:08 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah, most steroid jokes are pretty terrible. But this was great, well done.

"Caol Uno was like Mutoh. He developed into a star overseas and then returned to his home country a much bigger deal. Dokonjonosuke Mishima is like Kobashi because they both do moonsaults. Don Frye is like Stan Hansen because they are both fat dumb rednecks with mustaches." - Jonathan Snowden

by RagingNoodles on Jan 11, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

hahahaha.

"In this fight, Anderson showed he was human," Nogueira said. "He showed he could be weak. But he showed he is a fighter and he brings something from his heart. It was beautiful."

by Broke Lesnar on Jan 11, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

well played, indeed

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by Snatchl on Jan 11, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

http://mixedmartialartsblogger.wordpress.com/

by Cory Braiterman on Jan 11, 2011 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

What are the odds

That these comments play out without a single positive thing said about Barnett?

by Kungfucious on Jan 11, 2011 10:21 AM EST reply actions  

FWIW, I think he wins his bracket

Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac?
George Carlin

by Snatchl on Jan 11, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

If he was good at steroids he wouldn’t have popped 3 times.

by fitefan on Jan 11, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

lol

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by Cory Braiterman on Jan 11, 2011 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

ah hell...i'll go ahead

i’ve stated before that i’m a longtime barnett fan and i’m glad he’s with strikeforce so i can watch his fights. i think he belongs on the top 10. i’ve told several friends that are only acquainted with MMA through UFC that Josh (Fedor and Overeem too) are the best heavyweights that they’ve never heard of.

is he a roider? yeah…and do i care? yeah a little, but i’m of the belief that a very high percentage of these guys are using PEDs and simply haven’t been caught.

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by capt1911 on Jan 11, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

i’m of the belief that a very high percentage of these guys are using PEDs and simply haven’t been caught.

I share that belief. I would guess that well in excess of 60% of the guys in combat and other high contact sports (i.e. football (American)) use or have used PEDs at some point, even if only to aid in recovery.

"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee

by The American Ronin on Jan 11, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

And personally...

…I don’t really care if they ARE using PEDs. If this is the Overeem or Brock Lesnar or Bigfoot Silva we get to see when they’re on the stuff, then the clean versions aren’t even worth my time.

by Sucker-Lite on Jan 11, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

man that's a questionable attitude

given the possible health consequences to them and their opponents.

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by Nate Wilcox on Jan 11, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

This can potentially open up that whole other can of worms… Has there been anything conclusive discovered regarding the health effects of steroids? Or does it all come down to use VS abuse still?

by Kungfucious on Jan 11, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

It is considered unethical to do studies on the performance enhancement effects,

but there is ample literature on the overall effects of AAS (Anabolic Androgenic Steroids) and, when dosed as intended, there is little if any evidence of a significant likelihood of health consequences.

The problems come with the abuse, the stacking, the use of black market (and thus of unknown quality or quantity) drugs and the like.

"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee

by The American Ronin on Jan 11, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought so

This is one of those arguments which will continue to re-emerge without any clear solution, I think. Much like a few choice political hot-button issues.

by Kungfucious on Jan 11, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

To be honest I loved his fight

(maybe multiple? dunno I only saw one) with Big Nog. That fight opened my eyes to grappling watching two giant guys moving way faster/fluider than I imagined could be done, trying to rip each other’s ankles/knees/elbows clean off.

by hardlyworking on Jan 11, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

yup

"The only freakshow's the one in my pants"
-James Toney

by chasethegoose on Jan 11, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I love me some josh and his love handles.

by Moots on Jan 11, 2011 10:23 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

On a more positive note.

I think it should be almost a given that Josh Barnett is heading to the finals. I can’t see how Rogers, Kharitonov, or Arlovski have a legitimate chance at defeating Barnett. As sad as this is to say, Barnett would outstrike Arlovski at this point, and he could outgrapple any one on that side of the brackets. I’m pretty excited to see Barnett fight whoever emerges from Overeem/Fedor/Werdum in the finals. It’ll be awesome.

"Caol Uno was like Mutoh. He developed into a star overseas and then returned to his home country a much bigger deal. Dokonjonosuke Mishima is like Kobashi because they both do moonsaults. Don Frye is like Stan Hansen because they are both fat dumb rednecks with mustaches." - Jonathan Snowden

by RagingNoodles on Jan 11, 2011 10:28 AM EST reply actions  

However it all plays out,

I’d like to see Barnett fight Werdum at some point while they are still prime…

"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee

by The American Ronin on Jan 11, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

In fact, with Nelson and Brock in limbo and Cain is injured, Strikeforce has a much more compelling scene in the HW division. I’m looking forward to the tournament, and any future combination of fights among these guys.

Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac?
George Carlin

by Snatchl on Jan 11, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree...

Especially after saying he’d…what was the actual quote?

Something like, I’d beat that motherfucker?

It was an interview about Barnett’s opinion on Werdum tapping out Fedor.

by jcbrewer on Jan 13, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Why's everyone so sour on Sergei?

Just because he hasn’t been visible in the industry the past couple years doesn’t mean he’s lost it. The guy has beaten both Overeem and Werdum and only two of his fights have made it out of the first round. He has 8 TKOs and 8 subs. he’s seemingly well rounded. He might surprise some people this tournament. I definitely wouldn’t be surprised if he beat Arlovski.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tYO9Y_0BpE

by Sucker-Lite on Jan 11, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Because

Monson just owned him not long ago.

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by Chris Barton on Jan 11, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

he wrecked his back and there's no indication

that he’s recovered anywhere near full strength and flexibility.

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by Nate Wilcox on Jan 11, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I suppose that’s why they actually have to fight the fights.

by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 11, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

This is the comment that I didn’t think had the balls to show up to this party. Welcome

by Kungfucious on Jan 11, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah me too

I love the catch wrestling although I’ve ever been entirely satisfied by Barnett’s application of it in MMA. Sakuraba remains the most exciting catch stylist in mma history.

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by Nate Wilcox on Jan 11, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

I declared Barnett/Nog I my favorite grappling-heavy fight the first time I saw it.

Haven’t seen a fight since to challenge that, not even Newton/Saku (although it’s close).

OHHHHH! OH MY GOODNESS DID YOU SEE THAT?! He ran up the wall like a ninja and landed a high kick! Unbelievable! I've never seen anything like that, it's like something out of a movie!

by lowellthehammer on Jan 11, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

nice to see some

Nice shit said about Josh for once. He’s taking a shit pile of heat on this site over the last 2 yrs. When he finally gets in the cage in the US hopefully all the haters will be silenced. I still consider him a top 5 hvw. Hard to backup w his lackluster competition, but if all goes well, he’ll prove his worth over the next year. The guy fought 8 times in 14 months back in the day, and despite the lovehandles, he’s in great cardio shape.

"Catch Wrestlers don't look for opportunities, we create them" - Josh Barnett

by Submit24 on Jan 11, 2011 11:09 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Even if it has to happen after the tourney,

I really want to see Barnett fight Werdum…

"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
-Mark Twain
"If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying..."
-Bruce Lee

by The American Ronin on Jan 11, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Barnett has got technically better as a grappler in the last couple of years

He tried to be too clever with Yvel attempting to pin his arm and go for a Japanese Mount but he didn’t have his weight down on him properly. Since then though he did win a few grappling tournaments, including his division in the No Gi Worlds in 2009 (?).

He’s still too much of a liability to promote in North American MMA though. In all the cases of positive steroid tests in sports where contamination or even sabotage are claimed, there was always very little in the way of evidence to support this and it’s a shaky argument to start with.

by KJ Gould on Jan 11, 2011 11:12 AM EST reply actions  

If anyone is eligible for TRT, it's a guy who's nickname is Babyface, right?

Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac?
George Carlin

by Snatchl on Jan 11, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

whats funny is the same people saying Sonnen is innocent

Are the same people That are damning Josh.

"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."

by the-gentle-way on Jan 11, 2011 12:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I see Barnett winning the “contenders bracket”.

Said this before I want to see Fedor v Barnett in the final. Hell its only like 6 years too late.

by Cpt Mason on Jan 11, 2011 11:31 AM EST reply actions  

Are you suggesting...

That this might mean he’s using the latest, least detectable, most powerful juice?

by Arca MMA on Jan 11, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm a bit surprised they're taking the risk of putting Barnett in this tournament.

I mean, what happens if he wins his side of the bracket and then pisses hot? With him on that side, and M-1 potentially messing things up by “renegotiating” yet again once Fedor gets past Silva, Coker could have a clusterfuck on his hands.

by pud333 on Jan 11, 2011 3:28 PM EST reply actions  

Also, I know they have other backup matches, but man, would it suck if that went down.

by pud333 on Jan 11, 2011 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

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