Shane Carwin Plans Return at UFC 131 in Vancouver
by Nick Thomas on Jan 10, 2011 4:25 PM EST
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UFC 131 is expected to take place June 11 at Rogers Arena in Vancouver. ... UFC 131 is in the final planning stages and UFC officials are working this week to finalize the show and venue.
No bouts are rumored for UFC 131, but a source told MMAjunkie.com that former heavyweight title-challenger Shane Carwin could be featured prominently on the card, which would mark his first fight since back surgery.
Shane Carwin (12-1)HT: MattParker117
Loss Brock Lesnar - Submission (Arm-Triangle Choke) UFC 116
Win Frank Mir - KO (Punches) UFC 111
Win Gabriel Gonzaga - TKO (Punches) UFC 96
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As of right now, Carwin is a heavy hitter with very good wrestling ability, but has a glaring weakness in his cardio. I would think that the plan for any of Carwin’s opponents going forward is to weather the early storm and wait until he gasses.
I won't jump off the bandwagon just because you lost.
This is some good news for UFC. Nog, Rothwell, or Kongo would make good opponents. Of course the other option is a fight with Dos Santos, but that would be rough coming back off an injury like he just had.
timing is tricky wit Nog and Rothwell
Kongo is a good option
Kongo is out the game
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 10, 2011 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
Hopefully it’s a legit fight, but the only guys I can see would be Big Nog or JDS. Kongo just drew with Browne and doesn’t deserve the fight. Neither does Rothwell. Carwin/JDS for an interim title would be cool, but it’s way too far off for that.
Despite UFC 115 being exciting, I hope this Vancouver event has a deeper card, maybe even a title fight. Guess there won’t be many Canadians on it though – they’re all booked for Toronto. They should move Rory MzcDonald’s fight back 2 weeks to this card.
Maybe they’ll bring back Big Timmeh to fight Shane?
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My Guess is
Either Cruz vs Faber or SIlva/Belfort vs Okami will headline
by MattParker117 on Jan 10, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
I really really REALLY hope they don't match Carwin up with Nog.
OHHHHH! OH MY GOODNESS DID YOU SEE THAT?! He ran up the wall like a ninja and landed a high kick! Unbelievable! I've never seen anything like that, it's like something out of a movie!
by lowellthehammer on Jan 10, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
Enough of building up your fighters by beating up Nog. He was a great fighter but he just doesn’t have it anymore.
Werdum beat Fedor, Dos Santos beat Werdum, Joaquim Ferreira beat Dos Santos. Therefore Ferreira is WAAAAY better than Fedor. Keep MMA math alive!
JDS V Carwin
Would be huge, but I do agree that’s still a long ways aways for JDS
How about...
Making his walk in a bit shorter so he doesn’t gas so quick?
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Schaub/Cro-Cop Winner?
Maybe? Although, if CC manages to get through Schaub, seeing him get crushed by Carwin would be brutal.
If it's Cro Cop, sure maybe
but Schaub and Carwin are team mates.
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by Chris Groves on Jan 10, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
90% of heavyweights
would have gassed after putting down a beating like Carwin did in the first round.
Carwin has had the surgery, improved his diet and surely done some other things to increase his cardio…and I don’t think there are too many people that would survive a barrage like that anyway…so I’d say he’ll be ok.
Also, I like how in a matter of weeks, the entire lower part of the heavyweight division gets matched up against one another and Nelson and Carwin both have returns scheduled. Can we stop all of the ‘UFC Heavyweight division is dead/frozen/shallow’ talk now?
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by Chris Groves on Jan 10, 2011 4:46 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
The title’s still on the shelf again. I think that’s the crux of the frozen part of the argument.
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And I get that
But a few weeks ago the story was ‘Velasquez is out, Lesnar doesn’t know if he wants to fight, JDS and Mir need opponents, Nelson is in contract limbo, Carwin is recovering from surgery, Nog is recovering from surgery, and even lower guys like Russow and Rothwell are recovering from injuries etc etc etc’
Well, since then, Nelson’s contract stuff was cleared up, and he is Mir’s next opponent, Carwin has a return date, and Russow was even matched up. The top of the heap, the title, is still locked up, but movement is definitely under way in the division.
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by Chris Groves on Jan 10, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
Of those names
only Carwin really matters at all in the scope of the division. Nelson/Mir is a battle of gatekeepers, Nog looks to be shot, and nobody else is worth talking about. Cain is still out, Lesnar still doesn’t know if he wants to fight (and if/when he does it will surely be against lower end opposition), and JDS is still twiddling his thumbs.
OHHHHH! OH MY GOODNESS DID YOU SEE THAT?! He ran up the wall like a ninja and landed a high kick! Unbelievable! I've never seen anything like that, it's like something out of a movie!
by lowellthehammer on Jan 10, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
But Mir and Nog both still have a high ranking
So even if they are now just gatekeepers, they can be gatekeepers used to get other guys into the upper end of the rankings.
Top 25 ranking penetration is what the UFC uses to monopolize the divisions. They have guys above and below heavyweights from other divisions, they mix and match the right guys and they end up getting more control of the top 25.
I’m sure it’s not their direct intent, but the way it works out, that is what ends up happening, and then they get to a point where they almost completely shut out a division. Look at welterweight, 21 of the top 25 are in the UFC, Diaz and Daley both have no way to get higher than spot 8 in the rankings, and Askren and Hieron are right next to eachother in the rankings. It’s a similar story at light heavyweight where they have 19 of the top 25.
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by Chris Groves on Jan 10, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
and u know, they have better wins at HW.
"In this fight, Anderson showed he was human," Nogueira said. "He showed he could be weak. But he showed he is a fighter and he brings something from his heart. It was beautiful."
by Broke Lesnar on Jan 10, 2011 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
Guys I'm not anti-UFC-ing it here
I love how the UFC dominates the competition…they just are least dominant in the heavyweight division, and they need to use their guys who are overrated like Mir to boost some of their hotter prospects.
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by Chris Groves on Jan 10, 2011 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
mir isnt overrated imo.
"In this fight, Anderson showed he was human," Nogueira said. "He showed he could be weak. But he showed he is a fighter and he brings something from his heart. It was beautiful."
by Broke Lesnar on Jan 10, 2011 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
Mir and Nog are overrated
Nog even more so than Mir IMO. Overeem would destroy either, and both Barnett and Bigfoot would likely finish either in 2011…
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by The American Ronin on Jan 11, 2011 2:42 AM EST up reply actions
At least Nelson, Mir, and Nog
have all been active lately, and have only lost against TOP fighters, while also getting some good wins. Nog losing to Cain, and Mir, Mir losing to Brock, and Carwin, and Nelson losing to JDS.
"In this fight, Anderson showed he was human," Nogueira said. "He showed he could be weak. But he showed he is a fighter and he brings something from his heart. It was beautiful."
by Broke Lesnar on Jan 10, 2011 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
Rec’d sir. I think Maynard/Edgar fight showed how easy someone can gas after throwing that many punches. Maynard slowed down in the second rd and he’s a more than 100lbs lighter than Carwin.
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13
Uh, Maynard was still fighting and moving for 4 more rounds
Carwin was DONE in the next round.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 10, 2011 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
Carwin’s 110 pounds bigger and threw 30 more punches in the relevant round. But your point does stand.
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Maynard also had to run around and catch Frankie
Brock laid in place, but yea
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 10, 2011 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
never said Maynard was done. He was gassed in the second but recovered. Carwin clearly did not and was much more gassed than Maynard was in comparison. But that’s also why I said Carwin is a 100lbs bigger since it affected him moreso. The concept still applies that no matter the size, you’ll gas yourself if you do what Carwin and Maynard did.
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13
For someone Carwins size it shouldn’t surprise anyone he gassed after a first round like that, He punched himself out simple as that. Everyone talks so much shit about it but simply put he tried to hard to knock out Brock.
I agree with you
Nobody could really throw like that and be ready for round two. Even Maynard had to recover after trying to finish Edgar. The real question is whether or not he can learn from that mistake.
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i think the other coach will be either lesner. or jds
I'd like that...
I like it when Jackson’s and Grudge dudes are the assistants. I just can’t see Lesnar or JDS though- for one, Lesnar is just too reclusive. Two, Lesnar can’t be an MMA coach! Maybe a wrestling coach, but he just doesn’t know enough about the game to teach. Would be good T.V. though. And while JDS would probably bring in some great Black House coaches and collaborators, the English would be an issue.
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*actually, now that I think about it, he actually does interview in English and can handle himself ok. Calling Lesnar “a truck without a driver” after the Cain fight was classic.
by John Danaher's Hair on Jan 10, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
I've heard some RUUUUMORS about the fall season of the ultimate fighter
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 10, 2011 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
Clarification, por favor...
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by The American Ronin on Jan 11, 2011 2:44 AM EST up reply actions
There were some interesting things said by Carwin on his Twitter yesterday...
1) He said that he agreed to a fight on May 28, but the UFC “decided to go in a different direction.” Who do you guys think that was against? Nelson?
2) He WOULD fight teammate Schaub as he “doesn’t fight with hate and punches {Schaub} in the face everyday for free.”.
3) He’s admitted to gassing in the Lesnar fight due to not letting anyone “take the reigns” on his S&C program and has since hired Joel Chaimberg. He will be planning to weigh 265 without cutting for fights, which is an idea that he adamantly opposed immediately after 116, saying he’s “weighed 280 since college.” I also like that he said that he’ll never lose because of something that he can control again, instead of blaming his performance on everything from Lactor, to adrenaline dumps. Good to see him taking responsibility.
4) He’s making the obligatory, though potentially significant statements of being pain-free and the most passionate and focused since the Neil Wain fight.
This is his last chance to get it right at 36 and as a big fan I hope he can make another run.
by John Danaher's Hair on Jan 10, 2011 4:59 PM EST reply actions
Has he changed his “Vitamin” regime as well?
by MattParker117 on Jan 10, 2011 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
I saw the May 28th comment from him. I get the feeling it might be JDS
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13
The May 28th fight was taken away from him- if it was JDS, they matched JDS with someone else.
by John Danaher's Hair on Jan 10, 2011 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
So he finally admits the truth...he gassed
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 10, 2011 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
It took awhile...
but better late than never, huh?
by John Danaher's Hair on Jan 10, 2011 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
I have not heard most of that...
if true, its good to hear, and raises my level of respect for him…
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by The American Ronin on Jan 11, 2011 2:46 AM EST up reply actions
omg StrikeForce ZOMBIE!!!
"In this fight, Anderson showed he was human," Nogueira said. "He showed he could be weak. But he showed he is a fighter and he brings something from his heart. It was beautiful."
by Broke Lesnar on Jan 10, 2011 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
After talking shit about Vancouver last year Dana said he wasn’t coming back. Didn’t seem to take long for him to change his mind.
What did dana say?
I never heard about this
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by sitnam90 on Jan 10, 2011 6:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He said they couldn’t come back until the city toned down the antics when it came to insurance. The city made them put up a ridiculous amount for insurance in case a fighter got hurt because no one wanted to be held liable, and I think (but I’m not 100%) that it made it unprofitable to run here despite a 4 million + gate. The city has MAD issues when it comes to MMA. It’s all convoluted and dumb.
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That doens't sound like 'talking shit'
More like being rational. Same reason they won’t go to Hawaii: The taxes would make it simply unprofitable.
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Will Aldo be back in play here?
So many injured Champions. Cain, Shogun, Aldo and Cruz are all hurt.
Well, technically Shogun isn't any more
He’s coming back at 128.
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by Chris Groves on Jan 10, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
True.
All of them, plus Silva have been injured in the last few months though.
I am sure it makes scheduling a little tough.
I figured adding the WEC guys would help fill out these events with title matches, but both champs needing time off is killer.
Yeah
But just imagine, once they are all healthy, the chance that multiple champions get hurt/taken out of action at the same time is going to be pretty unlikely.
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by Chris Groves on Jan 10, 2011 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
Carwin retweeted someone's quote about wanting to see him against JDS or Lesnar at UFC 131
Makes me wonder if those are the names he is negotiating to fight against
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I'd watch a Carwin-Lesnar rematch.
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by dgonz on Jan 10, 2011 6:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's how RUUUUUUUUUUUUUMORS get starrrrrrted
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 10, 2011 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
I bet he’s a coach as well, with Lesnar being their preferred other. I really really want to see him fight Cain. That’s a fight that can go either way in my opinion, and both did similarly against Brock with the exception that Cain won by dominating punches and Shane lost by Submission. But other than that…
This isn't Strikeforce
Carwin just fought for the real title and lost, he needs to have atleast one fight till he fights for the title again.
Not saying that it's not a good idea
just that it shouldn’t be for the belt.
Thats why its for the INTERIM title, something Carwin is good at
He just best nelson, cain is out, brock…who the fuck knows, mir is booked w/ roy…so who else is there?
There is really no point
in having him crush someone just to check a box.
He’s 36, has a UFC-friendly contract, and would really only be challenged by Cain, JDS or Brock in the UFC…no reason to have to beat someone else first.
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by The American Ronin on Jan 11, 2011 2:49 AM EST up reply actions
I really didn't think they'd come back to Vancouver
after that clusterfuck with the insurance and the sanctioning body last time.
I figured they’d do Edmonton first (host of a terrific WEC event) just to make a point.
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Carwin isn't one of the rumored names for coach
There was mild consideration. Hearing scuttlebutt about the upcoming and fall seasons of TUF, but plans change.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jan 10, 2011 7:09 PM EST reply actions
OK I marked out
when Brock won and shat all over Carwin. But all that aside I would still like to see Carwin climb back up so we still get to see him against Cain. That fight would be batshit awesome anyway you slice it.
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Carwin is the real HW champ
He beat Lesnar worse than Cain ever dreamed of but had a ref that must have loved Brock in the WWE.
by DisposableHeroX on Jan 10, 2011 11:08 PM EST reply actions
Also
He would smash Cain. Cain is a smaller, weaker, doughy version of Carwin.
by DisposableHeroX on Jan 10, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
Brock subbed Carwin...GET OVER IT.
HE couldn’t finish him and the ref was right not to stop it. Cain would run circles around a slow and way less technical striker like Shane.
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Aside from them both dominating Lesnar,
and both being UFC HWs, they have little in common…
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