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SOTO > OSIPCZAK > RIDDLE > SOTO
KOSCHECK > DALEY > KAMPMANN > THIAGO > KOSCHECK

Would you look at that. Georges St-Pierre is the best welterweight in the UFC.

There are a couple of interesting things going on under the hood since the last iteration. GSP loses both the first Josh Koscheck and first Matt Serra fights from our system (we only look at a three year window), though nothing really changes on the surface. St-Pierre already had a path to Serra through Matt Hughes, and he still has a path to Koscheck through Thiago Alves.

We did, however, pick up an interesting loop between Koscheck, Paul Daley, Martin Kampmann, and Paulo Thiago. As a result, Daley and Kampmann emerge unblemished on the graph; Thiago is stonewalled by Jon Fitch; and Koscheck is left with direct paths to four middling welterweights.

Assuming St-Pierre gets by Koscheck (and tons of opportunities open up if he doesn't), the UFC is backed into a weird spot. Dana White promised the winner of Fitch/Alves a title shot only to renege his offer almost immediately following the fight. It seems like it would open up the door for either Kampmann or Jake Shields, who meet at UFC 121.

The optimist in me, however, wants to believe the following scenario. Kampmann and Shields fight in October. GSP and Koscheck fight in December. Anderson Silva is rumored to fight Chael Sonnen again in late February/early March. If GSP and Silva get by their opponents, they face each other in a superfight headlining the big July show. Fitch fights the winner of Kampmann/Shields for a welterweight title shot (or for the title if GSP vacates) in April or May.

A look at the relevant, upcoming welterweight fights after the break.

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Matt Serra vs. Chris Lytle @ UFC 119 - This is a rematch of the Ultimate Fighter 4 finals. Serra won a split decision over Lytle. I scored the fight for "Lights Out," but whatever. I expect a more entertaining fight than their first go-round, which featured both fighters being tentative with a title shot on the line.

Dan Hardy vs. Carlos Condit @ UFC 120 - Dan Hardy looked absolutely impotent in his title fight with GSP. Rory MacDonald beat up Condit for close to ten minutes before Condit turned this around and earned a stoppage with less than 10 seconds remaining.

John Hathaway vs. Mike Pyle @ UFC 120 - This fight only garners interest because Hathaway put a drubbing on Diego Sanchez. A win probably gets him the winner of Hardy/Condit.

Jake Shields vs. Martin Kampmann @ UFC 121 - This will be Kampmann's second time welcoming a hyped new face into the UFC. Shields enters the UFC as the former EliteXC welterweight champ and the former Strikeforce middleweight champ. Does the winner get a title shot?

Diego Sanchez vs. Paulo Thiago @ UFC 121 - Paulo Thiago has taken one of the most impressive paths since entering the UFC: Koscheck, Fitch, Volkmann, Swick, Kampmann, and now Sanchez. Diego's back to Jackson's after losses to B.J. Penn and John Hathaway, and the realization that he's nowhere near a title shot.

Georges St-Pierre vs. Josh Koscheck @ UFC 124 - I hope you're excited for this fight because you're about to get three months of hype for it.

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GSP lost the first Matt Hughes fight not Koscheck fight.....

Just saying……..

I'm from Canada, and they think I'm slow eh!

by Simboy on Sep 8, 2010 6:02 PM EDT reply actions  

?

what am I missing?

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by Kid Nate on Sep 8, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

the second sentence, technically the first in the first paragraph.

by proflex on Sep 8, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I meant from the system. I’ll clarify in the post.

by Mike Fagan on Sep 8, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks

I'm from Canada, and they think I'm slow eh!

by Simboy on Sep 8, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really wish I was smart enough to grasp these

I really, REALLY want to love them but it seems to just go over my head.

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by Chris Barton on Sep 8, 2010 6:30 PM EDT reply actions  

You’re probably overthinking it. What don’t you understand?

by Mike Fagan on Sep 8, 2010 6:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

what do the different colors signify?

by luckydevil713 on Sep 8, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Green is the top of a path. Blue is the bottom. Yellow is anything in the middle. It’s for clarity.

by Mike Fagan on Sep 8, 2010 8:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

unrelated

Just saw Lesnar’s facebook update. Seems like Lesnar vs. Velasquez will have a UFC Primetime. Nice.

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by Rod Mapada on Sep 8, 2010 6:31 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Yeah Dana confirmed that on some ESPN chat a few weeks ago

But awesome Brockosaurus confirmed it.

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by SSreporters on Sep 8, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t mean to be a dick, but I don’t understand how these charts help. According to your chart, Kampmann is above GSP? And his loss to Daley isn’t even factored in? Wha? And Joe Soto’s just floating around being green? I don’t even know what that means!

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by crazybones on Sep 8, 2010 7:17 PM EDT reply actions  

According to this chart GSP and Kampmann are even

And Kampmann’s loss to Daley is out because there was a loop. Kampmann lost to Daley, who lost to Kos, who lost to Thiago, who lost to Kampmann. Because of this loop all of those losses are ignored.

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by Neil Manich on Sep 8, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t say Gsp and Martin are equal necessarily. On phone though. More later.

by Mike Fagan on Sep 8, 2010 8:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Actually, I get it now

I was looking at these as rankings, which doesn’t make sense. But I see that it’s very useful for determining match-ups.

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by crazybones on Sep 9, 2010 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Im i the only one totally lost here?

I only recently started following MMA seriously but these make me feel like a retard

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by Udalango on Sep 8, 2010 8:20 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

hehehelp!

This seems like a really well thought out and potentially interesting, if not valuable “feature” but I venture it needs a descriptive intro.

by hooligun on Sep 8, 2010 8:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Search the archives. There’s an FAQ.

by Mike Fagan on Sep 9, 2010 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Here’s the link

Everyone is really overthinking this and wanting to attribute more meaning to it than they should.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 9, 2010 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

hehehelp!

Or maybe there is a guide that explains how it works?

I will always back the Englishman - from Hardy to Daley to Hathaway - because we are an island nation and I am an ex-pat living in California. Lee Murray comes from the same village as me. Where I live now Fabricio Werdum is a neighbor, as is Bruce Buffa. I am also a Diaz fan!

by hooligun on Sep 8, 2010 8:36 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I have a substantial amount of education and intellectually-demanding work experience. I also have no idea what the fuck these things mean.

by Subbevil on Sep 8, 2010 8:50 PM EDT reply actions  

If all you expect the chart to do is put some perspective on where fighters stand in the division then you wont be over/underwhelmed.

Dan Hardy vs. Carlos Condit @ UFC 120 – Dan Hardy looked absolutely impotent in his title fight with GSP. Rory MacDonald beat up Condit for close to ten minutes before Condit turned this around and earned a stoppage with less than 10 seconds remaining.

  Way to get he hype train rolling on this fight! Seriously though, this fight will be wholly off the chain. Truth is Condit looked just fine aginst Rory. He was taken down too frequently but he did well of his back and he wont have that problem against Hardy. However, I think Hardy will avoid Condit’s TD’s and win decisively on the feet.

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by Hardy's in your face on Sep 8, 2010 9:11 PM EDT reply actions  

DUDE!

This looks just like the circuit board on my computer! Except for Soto.

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by ceeb on Sep 8, 2010 11:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow great work

However, you forgot Kampmann’s victory over Thiago on your system

At least if i am reading it right! :o

by Magaca on Sep 9, 2010 3:11 AM EDT reply actions  

KOSCHECK > DALEY > KAMPMANN > THIAGO > KOSCHECK

That means there was a loop so those fights cancel each other out and are removed from the overall picture

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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 9, 2010 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

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