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The Ultimate Fighter 12 - The First Five Minutes

Josh Koscheck will take on Georges St-Pierre for the UFC welterweight title this December, but first they must square off on September 15 at 10PM/9c to lead a group of lightweight hopefuls into battle for the chance to win a six-figure contract.
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Anyone excited for this at all?

"You should work for 15 minutes to knock your opponent out, submit him, or improve your position to give yourself the best chance of doing either." - Dan Hardy

by Day Man on Sep 8, 2010 12:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh yes

Considering that one of the fighters, Pablo Garza, teaches kickboxing at the university I attend.

by Emoney on Sep 8, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m looking forward to seeing the Alaskan kid with the funky guillotine.

He’s like Givanildo ‘The Arm Collector’ Santana but with guillotines instead of armbars.

http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Cody-McKenzie-22173

by Steve4192 on Sep 8, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

8 – 10 wins by guillotine!!!!!!!!!

I'm from Canada, and they think I'm slow eh!

by Simboy on Sep 8, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

very

between kos’s douchey attitude and gsp’s complete butchering of the english language this season is sure to produce some good laughs hilarious sound bytes

there are some good fighters on this season and i think the fights will be top notch

and to top it all off kos is going to smash gsp when it’s all over
(go ahead and disagree, i’m one of the few who thinks it’ll happen, but i’m wrong alot)

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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 8, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm also one of those few

Honestly I think I’m the only person who can’t stand a single thing about gsp.

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by We All Hate Caleb on Sep 8, 2010 12:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

How does it feel?

To be so lonely on this message board?

I'm from Canada, and they think I'm slow eh!

by Simboy on Sep 8, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can’t stand him either. We’re not alone.

Got the Summer hatin on me cus I'm hotter than the sun. Got the Spring hatin on me cus I ain't never sprung. Winter hatin on me cus I'm colder than ya'll; and I will never I will never I will never Fall.

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by Patrick Tenney on Sep 8, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Put me on that list. We are few in number, but together we are strong.

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by DayGeaux on Sep 8, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s too nice, too handsome, and too good at what he does. If he runs for president I’ll be positive he’s the anti-Christ.

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by DayGeaux on Sep 8, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

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French Canadian at that

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by Thats It For you! on Sep 8, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

President Georges

Da Prime Minista cant andle my riddum.

"I trained with Steven Seagal."

by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 8, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

VP

Georges Laraque

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by Thats It For you! on Sep 8, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Minister of Defense

"I trained with Steven Seagal."

by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 8, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

for you Canucks

*defence

"I trained with Steven Seagal."

by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 8, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like GSP, but I’m not so invested in him that I don’t enjoy watching the fanboy meltdowns when he loses. Ditto for Baby Jay, Fedro and their loony fans.

I never root against those guys, but I always giggle a little bit when they lose, just because of the massive entertainment that ensues online.

by Steve4192 on Sep 8, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

You and me both...

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." -Arthur Schopenhauer

Haters are gonna hate and bitches are gonna bitch...

by BigDNotDallas on Sep 8, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

HE NEVER WILL LOSE

by AHutch on Sep 8, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looks like GSP is trying not to crack up during the fucking Dana speech.

by Rufford on Sep 8, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

You're not

I don’t “dislike” him, but there’s nothing I like about him. He’s not compelling to me. I respect the hell out of his skills,

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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 8, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

but i’m wrong alot

That happens to the best of us when you try to load a bowl while typing…

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." -Arthur Schopenhauer

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by BigDNotDallas on Sep 8, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rookie. I hit a bong outside during hurricane Katrina.

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by DayGeaux on Sep 8, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha!

More likely mostly retired in my case…

But can you load it during that?

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by BigDNotDallas on Sep 8, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Depends on the stickyness

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by DayGeaux on Sep 8, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

whoa whoa whoa

calm down there skip
i have much respect for gsp for speaking english or at least attempting it

however to deny that his accent and mispronunciation of english words is humorous is silly.
how many times have we all heard the “i am not impressed by your per-FOR-mance” sound byte? we’ve all heard it alot and we didn’t hear it alot because it was a profound thing to say. we’ve heard it alot because the way he said it was funny.
i can speak totally decent french but i’m sure gsp would get a kick out of my butchering of the language even tho he could understand me. and i would fully expect him to get a chuckle out of it.

kinda like when wandy said something to the effect of how he couldn’t wait to fuck chuck. (meant to say fight chuck hopefully)

gotta be able to laugh about stuff bro

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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 8, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

His accent

is not that funny anymore tho. I guess everyone has different levels of humor

by Papercut Elbow on Sep 8, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

it has gotten better

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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 8, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Quebece'rs

Are assholes when you speak poor french to them

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by Thats It For you! on Sep 8, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Quebec'rs

Speak poor French.
Flame shield, activated..

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by spectaa on Sep 8, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Hahaha!

They sure do.

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by Drunken cutman on Sep 8, 2010 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

When people talk about super-sensitive GSP fans

This is what they’re talking about.

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by hobbie on Sep 8, 2010 3:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Honestly though, kos has just said he is going to make gsp stand with him…look at how that turned out last time?

I’m not even sure a lot of this fight will take place on the feet. GSP is a monster now.

by destructivist on Sep 9, 2010 3:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, too little fighting in TUF

Still psyched about this because of the coaches, and since the fights are gonna be good fun :)

by Magaca on Sep 8, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is the only one I've ever watched more than 30 minutes of,

But it would be much better with more training shots, less house BS…

Then again, I guess ratings would suck then…

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." -Arthur Schopenhauer

Haters are gonna hate and bitches are gonna bitch...

by BigDNotDallas on Sep 8, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not at all

Since GSP won’t reciprocate the trash talk it won’t be as entertaining as Rashad/Rampage and otherwise the show is fucking slow to get anywhere with fights and it’s just a wash/rinse/repeat of guys whining and making excuses for poor performances.

Ugh.

by menckenstein on Sep 8, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

The coaches should keep it interesting

But I thought that about Rampage too and just lost interest eventually. I’ll check it out and see how it goes.

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by CROOKS on Sep 8, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rampage was entertaining but he did the same thing every week.

Tiddies, get angry, rinse and repeat

by IRodC on Sep 8, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I excpect riddum, ape technique, anf GSP not being impressed AT ALL by the recruits.

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by spectaa on Sep 8, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

When are they going to kill this and move on?

The only thing I watch are the fights at the end, there’s nothing worth watching during the first 40 minutes.

This show has done nothing more than delay meaningful title fights.

by cyke on Sep 8, 2010 12:40 PM EDT reply actions  

True

Unless they do another comeback season (please oh please!)

by menckenstein on Sep 8, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Never going to happen.

The comeback season damn near killed the TUF franchise. Worst rated season EVER and took them six years and Kimbo Slice to finally get their ratings back up.

That just shows how far out of touch online ‘hardcore’ fans are with the casual TUF fan demographic that drives the sport.

by Steve4192 on Sep 8, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, no

I understand that. That doesn’t mean I wouldn’t like to see some deserving guys get another chance, though.

by Emoney on Sep 8, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know why

That was the most interesting season.

Shonie FUCKING Carter

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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 8, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

A normal TUF season has a bunch of young guys who are idiots and act like idiots.

And that’s good TV. The comeback season had solder guys who knew what their goals were on the show and worked toward them. They were already professional athletes.

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by Llewdor on Sep 8, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Like that fighter that tackled a wall and broke his neck.

by Henrique on Sep 8, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

that would be mikey burnett and has never fought again bc of it

by jks9202 on Sep 8, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

The show is still important to build new “name” fighters, and I don’t really mind TUF reality tv, it has gotten more and more about the training and fighters personal lives the past few seasons, and less about hijinx in the house.
It’s still one of the better rated shows on spike, and it works as an excellent build up to the GSP v Kos PPV. I wouldn’t expect TUF to go anywhere anytime soon.

Plus hey, free fights every week, hard to bitch about that.

by IWillPartyHard on Sep 8, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

hard to bitch about that.

Not around these parts…

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by BigDNotDallas on Sep 8, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who are some of the fighters I should be looking out for?

I am not familiar with this cast at all.

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by ChicagoMarine on Sep 8, 2010 12:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Nam Phan has the most exposure as far as professionally fighting in previous organizations.

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by Patrick Tenney on Sep 8, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cody McKenzie

11-0, nine consecutive wins by guillotine.

Supposedly he has a funky grip and setup for his guillotine that people aren’t used to seeing. Kind of Jason Von Flue with the shoulder choke. Doesn’t look like much of an athlete, but it should be fun to see him surprise a few guys with that guillotine.

by Steve4192 on Sep 8, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good stuff!

Just read up on him.

Says that he had a decision in his first amateur fight that was controversial and from then on— decided NEVER to let a match go there.

Looks good in the training videos online. Lotta buzz around him

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by ChicagoMarine on Sep 8, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

McKenzitine!

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by Llewdor on Sep 8, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Johnathan Brookings is my sleeper pick. I like the way he fights he is a gamer.

by J smooth 420 on Sep 8, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

This'll be fun to watch

I have this feeling that Kos’ team wins most of the fights and it’ll just add more fuel to the fire.

Plus, there are a lot of good lw’s this season. Should be good fights.

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by Keren on Sep 8, 2010 1:05 PM EDT reply actions  

I hope

Gsp will win this but I’m hoping it’s by counter ko. Kos hopefully gets over confident of his one weapon standing his overhand right and gsp hopefully knocks him out with a counter uppercut.

by Bloodsport on Sep 8, 2010 1:13 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

The only way this show is bearable now is by recording it, and applying fast forward liberally throughout the broadcast.

Right hand coffee, left hand cactus, right hand coffee left hand cactus, keep it straight...

by ReAnimator on Sep 8, 2010 1:23 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

sammi wouldnt make a bad ring girl now that I think of it….

by nastyem on Sep 8, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dana

I heard a rumor Dana wants ratings so bad the situation is guest ref. Snookie jwow and Cecil peoples are the judges.

by Bloodsport on Sep 8, 2010 1:31 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

Can't be any worse than

Yves reffing and Peoples + any 2 other judges selected at random…

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by BigDNotDallas on Sep 8, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you sure

That was not the twilight zone?

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by We All Hate Caleb on Sep 8, 2010 7:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

hahahah

I was thinking, “Why is Dana wearing a shirt with nice sweat stains in the pits”. Then i read the shirt in the next scene and realized it was Bruce Lee’s face hahahah.

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by ceeb on Sep 8, 2010 1:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Correction

Breuce Leeroy

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by Damon O. on Sep 8, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kiss my Converse!

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by DayGeaux on Sep 8, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

him and Dana need to co-ordinate better.

Can’t have both Dana wearing a Bruce Lee t-shirt and someone coming out with the Game of Death warmups

by Balrog on Sep 8, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does anyone else...

just DVR the show and then FFW to the fight every time?

by djfivenine on Sep 8, 2010 1:46 PM EDT reply actions  

No I download it thursday mornings and check all the possible drama in like 2 minutes hopping scenes and then watch the fight.

by IronMonkey13 on Sep 8, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

I’ll fast scan through to get the all-too-rare training segments, but I can’t take stupid reality tv drama bullshit…the fans seem to be people with no lives sitting around watching other people with pretend lives…

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by BigDNotDallas on Sep 8, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

TUF is the American Idol of sports reality TV

Season 5 is when the show peaked in terms of talent and now they’re just doing it because it garners ratings and fills up roster spots.

Griffin, Evans, Stevenson, Bisping, Diaz > Danzig, Sadollah, Escudero, Wilks.

Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.

by SSreporters on Sep 8, 2010 2:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Season 5 is when the show peaked in terms of talent

The worst part is, nobody watched that season because it came on the heels of the massive flop that was ‘TUF: The Comeback’. It’s a shame too, because season five really was fantastic.

by Steve4192 on Sep 8, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. Lauzon, Diaz, Gamburyan, Maynard, etc. were excellent.

Plus, we got to see BJ Penn fight on free TV.

Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.

by SSreporters on Sep 8, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

The thing that I’ll always remember is Diaz and Karo in the dressing room.

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by DayGeaux on Sep 8, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awe man I almost forgot about colonic Gabe

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by DayGeaux on Sep 8, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about Bader?

He’s not considered good talent?
And sadollah is in my top 10 fighters just because he seems like a chill guy and was on the first TUF season I really watched. I just wish he was a better fighter.

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by We All Hate Caleb on Sep 8, 2010 7:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Bader is the best one we’ve got since then, and yet I wasn’t expecting much from him.
Special mention to Philipe Nover, the next GSP/A.Silva or whatever.

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by spectaa on Sep 9, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lotta hate for GSP

Someone post a pic of him in a tight button up, I think that’ll change everyone’s mind

by Krimson on Sep 8, 2010 2:45 PM EDT reply actions  

dammit

I forgot it was only 5 mins

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by GOLDIGGAH on Sep 8, 2010 2:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Before the prelims when they’ve got everyone in a group, it always strikes me just how many of them have ridiculous haircuts. But after looking at Koscheck I realized that if you got enough MMA fighters together, regardless of where you got them from, a solid percentage of them would probably have ridiculous hair.

by Balrog on Sep 8, 2010 2:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Lmao

Can mma even have a badguy?
I mean was he hiding under the octagon with a chair?

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by We All Hate Caleb on Sep 8, 2010 7:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I feel bad for the guys that get put on Kos’s team.

“Do you want to be on a team with one of the best fighters on the planet with the best trainers from each individual disciplince, or do you want to be on Koscheck’s team?”

by Amsterdaam on Sep 8, 2010 5:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah seriously I really don’t think Koscheck will make a good coach. He is the guy that ignorantly thought GSP was a terrible wrestler and didn’t even touch it in training for a MMA match. BE PREPARED SON

by AHutch on Sep 8, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you guys are fucking nuts.

Kos’ team is the AKA braintrust that has produced a shitload of contenders. Mendes, Cook, & Camarillo will all be there.

Both coaching stuffs are fantastic.

by Steve4192 on Sep 8, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dana's neck is slowly disappearing.

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by Damon O. on Sep 8, 2010 8:06 PM EDT reply actions  

haha i just starred for 2 minutes at thiago beatin the shit out of kos..
never gets old.

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