Brandon Vera vs. Thiago Silva in the Works for UFC 125
by Nick Thomas on Sep 7, 2010 11:20 PM EDT
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According to mmajunkie.com:
A pair of light heavyweights looking to rebound from recent high-profile losses will likely meet in January in what could easily be viewed as a "must-win" for both contestants involved.
Sources close to the contest that the UFC is targeting a matchup between Thiago Silva and Brandon Vera at UFC 125 on Jan. 1, 2011, at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas.
Brandon "The Truth" Vera (11-5)
Loss Jon Jones - TKO (Elbows and Punches) UFC Versus 1
Loss Randy Couture - Decision (Unanimous) UFC 105 5:00
Win Krzysztof Soszynski - Decision (Unanimous) UFC 102
Win Michael Patt - TKO (Leg Kicks) UFC 96
Thiago Silva (14-2)
Loss Rashad Evans - Decision (Unanimous) UFC 108
Win Keith Jardine - TKO (Punches) UFC 102
Loss Lyoto Machida - KO (Punches) UFC 94
Win Antonio Mendes - Submission (Punches) UFC 84
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That’s a very good fight! If Thiago is healthy, he wins by mean face.
by Henrique on Sep 7, 2010 10:07 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
vera will get ko'ed in the 1st
i say it will look like a jardine type ko.vera is good but not ufc good anymore.vera will be out of the ufc right behind jardine
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easy warm up for silva.. i say after silav wins he needs the winner of hammer & tito or fight couture next
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You gotta be kidding me with the easy thing
Vera has the better technical striking, he’ll for sure have the edge in the wrestling department, plus I’m pretty sure he has the reach advantage. I see Vera outpointing Silva from a distance for all three rounds.
Josh Barnett is a thrice proven juicer with a pro wrestling mindset and a personality that would lead you to believe he's never had a romantic encounter that didn’t start with "you gotta pay me upfront."
Vera holds those 3 physical advantages in nearly all his fights. It hasn’t seemed to matter
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by eastcoastatlas on Sep 8, 2010 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Awesome.
Glad Thiago is getting a tune-up fight.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Sep 7, 2010 10:08 PM EDT reply actions
Is Vera that dead?
"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-
No, it’s meant more as black humor. Though if Vera’s timid, and Thiago brings his killer instinct…
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
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by Scott C. Broussard on Sep 7, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Way to shit on my Thiago Silva v. Bones Jones idea mere hours later after I blathered on and on about it.
Thanks a lot Nick Thomas!
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Yeah, because you are the very first person to suggest that, and today is the first time it was suggested.
by ufc4 on Sep 7, 2010 11:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Awww you thought I was serious! How adorable!
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by Earl Montclair on Sep 7, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Great fight between two guys who desperately need a victory...
also, two guys who are recovering from injuries – damaged back vs broken face. haha. :)
Very true but in my opinion it’s a must win for Vera ? He needs a Victory much more then Thiago does and I really don’t see him getting it hear ?
I know we keep hearing the rumor the only reason they have held onto Vera this long is for a future philippines show. But I have been hearing that same thing now for over 2+ years and still I don’t see any UFC show planned for downtown Manila anytime soon. I just can’t see the UFC paying Vera to keep going down the same career path that he has been going down for the last few years. Lossing agasint top to mid level competition and when he does get a W its only buy fighting a lower level outclassed opponent at 205 and still Brandon fights a safe tentative fight which turns out to be one bore fest decision win.
Doing enuff just to win agasint lower level competition at 205 is not something Zuffa likes paying out $80,000 to $100,000 a fight for over long periods of time. I would not be one bit surprised at all if he gets a green slip with his check if he drops this fight ?
I think youre being a touch hard on Brandon here
Vera:
-once crushed Frank Mir
-Gave Randy Couture the fight of his life and arguably beat him
-can beat any mid level fighter at LHW and HW on any given night
Am I saying he’s top 5? No, but he’s an elite level fighter nonetheless and he’s earned his place in the UFC imo.
Though I agree he will be cut if he drops this one (and I bet Scott Coker is right there to pick him up for a Hendo or Mousasi fight).
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by hobbie on Sep 8, 2010 12:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Thiago "MURDER FACE MURDER FACE MURDER FACE" Silva
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by Damon O. on Sep 7, 2010 10:12 PM EDT reply actions 14 recs
Nice to see this gif again today. Easily one of my favorites.
"He sucks weiner! He sucks weiner!" - II SMASH II
by Earl Montclair on Sep 7, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I just rewatched the UFC best of 2007 and there is a segment where Eddie Bravo talks about how Houston Alexander was going to be top 3 in the world @ 205. Thanks for making Eddie looks silly, Thiago.
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by Earl Montclair on Sep 7, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s the weed talking.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Sep 7, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
It goddamn better be. Even then that was such a silly thing to say
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by Earl Montclair on Sep 7, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
notice how cut he looks there?
and how flabby he looked recently?
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 7, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
The back injury perhaps?
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by Earl Montclair on Sep 7, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
ah.
:D good point!
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by Earl Montclair on Sep 7, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
YES
Where’s the gif?
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 7, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Mad potential....
For an epic standing fight. Buth Vera has burned me on potential so many times and Silva’s injury has burned himself on potential.
Its like 8 matt serras working a regular job
"Tons of blacks and their big black wrists"-Luke Thomas
I think Vera might take this
His striking is tighter, his wrestling is steady. Thiago has a good chance that his aggression will overwhelm Vera, but I just feel like Vera might be able to keep him off guard.
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I'm banking on Fishbob showing up
Not Brandon Vera. Fishbob wilts under pressure like lettuce in a hot car.
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I just hate Fishbob so much
"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-
Thiago gets hit a lot, but usually has the power to compensate for it.
Vera has a good chin and is more technical with his strikes.
That being said, I’ve always said that Thiago is a good opponent to force Vera not to be tentative.. Should be a good fight.
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 7, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the tentative Brandon Vera is here to stay….Unless Jon Jones lit a fire under his ass.
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by Earl Montclair on Sep 7, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
he could be tentative,
but Thiago’s style won’t allow him to fight like he did against K-Sos the entire 3 rounds.
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 7, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
and yet Jon Jones is the reason he looks like a middle school cafeteria lady in this picture.
by MrTechnique420 on Sep 8, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Just typed on here like five minutes ago...
… that Silva deserves a tune-up fight, and here it is. 1st or 2nd round TKO.
And then God created Saturn... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
Twitter me and what not.
Vera... Jan 1st, 2011 will take Keith's place.
by Lil_Machete on Sep 7, 2010 10:29 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
lets be honest though.
watch all of thiago’s fights in the UFC. probably the most violent GnP besides jones @ 205
by destructivist on Sep 8, 2010 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Vera's going to get his ass kicked.
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 7, 2010 10:49 PM EDT reply actions
That seems to get said quite often in “Brandon Vera to face X at UFC X” threads.
by ufc4 on Sep 7, 2010 11:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
More like a "must fight hard" fight for both of them.
I don’t think anyone gets cut if they bring it. But I have a bad feeling Vera will fail to pull the trigger yet again.
I believe in Brandon Vera.
Fuck all y’alls who don’t. Leg kick clinic for a round and a half, some throws from the clinch, and finally ending it by clinch knees to gnp late in the second.
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I stopped believing in Vera after Keith Jardine
The Reese Andy borefest was one foot out the door.
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
To be fair
a lot of people thought that he beat Couture. After that fight I thought, maybe he still has something to offer and then Bones broke his face.
Fact of the matter is Couture (boringly) controlled him against the fence for much of the fight
And when he had the chance to finish Couture on the body kick he couldn’t do it. Vera had a lousy gameplan and I thought Couture won it 29-28.
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
Upon multiple viewings, I scored it FUCK THIS FIGHT!
It’s very similar to my scorecard for Cantwell vs. Stann III. Pardon me for seeing two guys locked in a cage and expecting something resembling a fight to break out. If it were ultimate hugging championship or ultimate circling championship then yeah, Couture and Stann won the match in those respective promotions. But neither of them deserved a win and both should have gotten warnings/yellow card equivalents for doing everything they could to prevent a fight.
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Couture/Vera really put a damper on an entertaining card
Seriously, the UK fans have gotten 3 sub-standard main events in a row (Bisping/Leben, Sanchez/Stevenson, Couture/Vera). I know Sanchez/Stevenson got FOTN but that was an absolute joke.
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
Couture beat Vera.
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 7, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I gave Couture round 1 and 3
Vera clearly winning round 2.
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
I always thought Vera got a little bit jobbed there
And nobody cared because everybody hates Vera and loves Couture.
"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-
I stopped caring because he stopped fighting
And is some tentative person who probably got scared once he faced real competition.
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
Brandon is too smart for the fight game
and if anything, he outthinks himself. He has all the technical ability and athleticism necessary. Taking some time off and reassessing how he fights will change everything. I don’t think we’ll see the “old” Brandon Vera or the so called “tentative” Brandon Vera. We’re going to see somebody who knows how to take their amazing skillset and make shit happen.
Believe it. Know it.
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stop saying this
And then God created Saturn... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
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I've said it twice on BE.
The third guy who I’d say it about is Miguel, who out-thought himself against Benavidez. Vera is a walking case study of it, Maia fell victim once or twice.
Be like Fonzie, man. Be cool. It’s a relevant point for a couple of guys.
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by pdl on Sep 8, 2010 3:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I meant to comment right after I posted that, but instead I went poop.
I meant to clarify that I didn’t mean any offense or nothing, it was just odd because I closed the other thread right after reading your comment and then z-scrolled straight to this one
Just an odd saying, I guess. The problem I see is how “smart” isn’t necessarily the right word, overplanning and over-thinking doesn’t really imply “smart,” but I do see what you mean.
or rather, the worst part about it, is that it can and will probably easily become one of those waaaaaaaaaaaaay overused and cliched phrases.
also I’m drunk. I love you
And then God created Saturn... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
Twitter me and what not.
I know all three guys.
They are all exceptionally smart, well spoken, intelligent people. That’s the common denominator I see. They are all a bit too “normal” to get locked in a cage and fight until another man is rendered incapable of continuing. Seriously, meet any of those guys outside of a fight and you wouldn’t believe what their career is.
I’m also a bit drunk. I love you too, man. I LOVE YOU! (sobbing)
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by pdl on Sep 8, 2010 4:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I can see that ...
and yeah, I know a fair bit of fighters and other athletes, and I can pick out who I think are the smart ones. I’m just afraid of yet another cliche we don’t need, you know? I can’t speak to these guys so I can’t say that they’re not smart, but at least in the case of Vera, I can see that without knowing him.
And then God created Saturn... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
Twitter me and what not.
Round 1: Couture got rocked early, but the judges thought he “won the round” with the only thing he did was fail to takedown Vera, and get one takedown that lasted for around 5 seconds.
Vera clearly won round 2. Giving it to couture would be just plain stupid(er?).
Round 3: Vera hurts randy and gets a takedown and FULLMOUNT….yet they still give it to Randy… If constantly failing on takedown attempts and getting one takedown (where you do nothing for 5 seconds) is enough to win the 1st round, why does a takedown + fullmount mean nothing?
It was incompetent judging, and everyone would be up in arms if Captain America was on the other side of the decision. Sure, Vera could’ve done more to finish the fight on the second, sure, he could’ve improved a lot of the stuff he did on that fight. Sure you can call him out for lacking that “killer instinct”, but he still won that bout…
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 8, 2010 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Anton
coming with thunder. Yeah, they jobbed Vera in that fight. Couture looked like shit. Really old and out of place. The crowd being in a fighters corner cannot ever be underestimated.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
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Two guys looked like shit that night
And one of them (Randy Couture) won a fight.
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 8, 2010 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Randy won a sporting competition.
It’s a HUGE stretch to say he won a fight that night, unless he fucked up some guy in a bar.
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by pdl on Sep 8, 2010 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I think you and I are the only Vera fans left.
Can’t wait to gloat over the non-believers. Wish Uber was still around…
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by pdl on Sep 8, 2010 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah, I always liked how he comedecally bashed fishbob every single chance he could get...
he left for Army/Marines? duty right? :(
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 8, 2010 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but CANADIAN army. Whatever the fuck that means.
(This is sarcasm. I got mad respect for Uber serving his country. Godspeed, Ubernoober.)
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by pdl on Sep 8, 2010 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions
hopefully he'll be back soon.
winning a sigbet against Subo would be kinda boring. :P
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 8, 2010 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Because the take down and full mount lasted for about ten seconds.
And the other two hundred and ninety seconds of the round, Couture controlled the action.
Vera won the second round. That’s it.
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 8, 2010 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions
You see "controlled the action"
I see “failed every single takedown attempt”
when you have a stalemate, you get the the most effective and significant things that happened on each of the rounds… what are those? Rd1. Randy getting rocked — Rd2. Randy getting knocked down and almost finished and Rd3. Randy getting rocked, taken down, and mounted.
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 8, 2010 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Having your back against the cage with a guy leaning on you is not a stalemate.
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 8, 2010 2:48 AM EDT up reply actions
If a guy is trying to accomplish something and you're keeping him from doing it then yeah, it kinda is.
Josh Barnett is a thrice proven juicer with a pro wrestling mindset and a personality that would lead you to believe he's never had a romantic encounter that didn’t start with "you gotta pay me upfront."
no shit.
I don’t know why Subo doesn’t get this.
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 8, 2010 4:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't really see this as a must-win for either.
After all, one lost to a legend and the fastest rising star, and the other lost to the number 2 and 3 contender.
Vera should be dumped if he loses this. He's 3-5 in his last 8 UFC fights
And his 3 wins are against Mike Patt, Reese Andy, and K-Sos. Not exactly a deadly trio.
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
Losses to Jon Jones, Randy Couture, Keith Jardine… who else beat him?
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 7, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, at least that Werdum loss doesn’t look so bad now.
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 8, 2010 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
And to be fair the stoppage was bogus
But yeah Vera has been pathetic at 205 and pretty much all of his fights there have been boring (Bones fight the exception).
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
I did enjoy him beating on a bum (patt)
I do love me some leg kicks.
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 8, 2010 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Funny how the legend and rising star are damn near the two and three contenders now. Thiago has only lost to the very best, that’s why I have him here.
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 7, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Thiago has only lost to the very best, that’s why I have him here.
and has hardly faced any decent competition throughout his career… Jardine being his only quality win, in a fight where he was eating a ton of shots until Thiago landed a blow, and Jardine’s chin failed him again..
(yeah I know, Vera lost a razor thin decision to Jardine, but the point still stands. Thiago hasn’t fared well against the few tough dudes he fought, and has even had trouble with the lower tier fighters he’s faced).
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 8, 2010 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Also, he's not Filipino
And just so you know, Jardine beat Vera :-D
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 8, 2010 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah I know, Vera lost a razor thin decision to Jardine, but the point still stands.
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 8, 2010 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Except for that it kind of obliterates the point.
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 8, 2010 2:48 AM EDT up reply actions
TAKE NOTE MODS
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 8, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
vera needs a win but its not guna happen against silva
by Jamil Kushgotmyeyesasian Owens on Sep 8, 2010 12:08 AM EDT reply actions
I really like this fight. However, if Vera loses, he may get and probably will get cut from the UFC. Thiago Silva has shown that he will go for the kill, whereas Vera has been cautious and seems to have lost that killer instinct. On technical standup, Vera should win this, but Thiago really puts the pressure on his opponents.
I’ve got Vera here. This fights gonna look a lot more like Kampmann/Thiago than T.Silva/Jardine.
Not that I condone facism or any ism for that matter. Isms are in my opinion, not good. A person shouldn't believe in an ism, he should believe in himself.
I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me". Good point there, after all he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. Wouldn't change the fact I have to bum rides off of people.
thiago's gonna mash vera's face in
i still remember vera going on about how his gonna be a 2 time division champ, got a bit ahead of himself there.
Got to go with Vera. Unless he gets overwhelmed, he should easily outstrike Silva. Personally, I hope that Vera elbows and knees the shit out of Thiago, I can’t stand his thug shtick.
"...I don't want to save the World, I don't even want to save me. We're so boring that we don't event want to save ourselves...There's nothing left to say, we're so fucking boring. Let it die I say. Let there be a new beginning...It's awful. Goodnight"
I am not impressed by thiago silva. He has lost to all his top competition he has faced including rashad evans who beat the shit out of him and then when he had him hurt taunted him till he got his witts back and took him down….again. Vera has a wrestling base and nasty muy thai. Def. not impressed by the jones fight but hey Jones is gonna run through everyone. Vera did more damage in the Couture fight he just got controlled against the cage. If Vera controls the range and unleashes his kicks he will take this one. If it becomes a brawl Thiago will take it.
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