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Oxygen4Energy President Says Canned Oxygen Could Have Helped Shane Carwin Against Brock Lesnar

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"If you allow (pure) oxygen for both fighters in between rounds they’re going to be fresher and the fights are going to be more exciting."

"Oxygen is not going to affect a skill level, it refreshes them. It helps them control lactic acid, that’s the biggest thing. For example, the Shane Carwin fight. He just blew himself out. It could’ve helped him (against Brock Lesnar). He could’ve been able to recover in the second round. He wouldn’t have been so fatigued."

"It’ll be interesting to see how each sport handles it. The NFL allows each player to use oxygen on the sidelines no problem, one of the biggest sport organizations in the world."
-- Craig Inaba, owner of Oxygen4Energy talks about the use of portable canned oxygen in mixed martial arts.

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I am against it.

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by BadB on Sep 7, 2010 6:59 PM EDT reply actions  

agreed..next they will say

“why not give them steroids to help equal things out, i mean brock inst skilled hes just bigger”

get out of my town

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by gxc on Sep 7, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, too much a slippery slope to go down

having a “gas tank” is as much of fighter prep, as is such things as sparring and mat work that the fighters use to get ready for a fight.

hopefully, this stays a “no go” for any athletic commission/ fight organization

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by Captain Fubar on Sep 7, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Banning oxygen?

Now just think about that for a second.

When some wild-eyed, eight-foot-tall maniac grabs your neck, taps the back of your favorite head up against the barroom wall, and he looks you crooked in the eye and he asks you if ya paid your dues, you just stare that big sucker right back in the eye, and you remember what ol' Jack Burton always says at a time like that: "Have ya paid your dues, Jack?" "Yessir, the check is in the mail." - Jack Burton

by donkeypunch on Sep 7, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

so does

that mean BJ would have an advantage?

by proflex on Sep 7, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ban oxygen dioxide too, just to be safe

Ricky Hatton came closer to beating Manny Pacquiao than Marquez did to beating Floyd.

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by The Lethal Haze on Sep 7, 2010 11:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Nah man

The major difference is that Steroids are seriously detrimental for your health

For men—shrinking of the testicles, reduced sperm count, infertility, baldness, development of breasts, increased risk for prostate cancer…

Individuals who abuse steroids can experience withdrawal symptoms when they stop taking AAS—these include mood swings, fatigue, restlessness, loss of appetite, insomnia, reduced sex drive, and steroid cravings, all of which may contribute to continued abuse. One of the most dangerous withdrawal symptoms is depression— when persistent, it can sometimes lead to suicide attempts…

Preclinical, clinical, and anecdotal reports suggest that steroids may contribute to psychiatric dysfunction. Research shows that abuse of anabolic steroids may lead to aggression and other adverse effects.1 For example, although many users report feeling good about themselves while on anabolic steroids, extreme mood swings can also occur, including manic-like symptoms that could lead to violence.2 Researchers have also observed that users may suffer from paranoid jealousy, extreme irritability, delusions, and impaired judgment stemming from feelings of invincibility.

All negative health affects. Canned oxygen, however, doesn’t have any noted adverse health effects. The whole thought process behind banning things like AAS’s and the like are that they would force the hand of athletes unwilling to put their health at risk. This just provides a fast, convenient way to help guys refresh themselves a bit. And as the article says, the NFL doesn’t ban it, and they are notorious for stringent PED regulation.

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by ElliotMatheny on Sep 7, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reports “suggest” this and researchers “observed” this, theres never been any conclusive research done on steroids.

by stinkinburrows on Sep 8, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Steroids do however wreck your immune system. At least, that’s what Dr House tells me.

by KJ Gould on Sep 8, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh please...

How about some facts before these kneejerk reactions? O2 cans will do nothing in a fight.

by Mint on Sep 8, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe just for the HWs :p

everyone else… NO!

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by Orcus on Sep 7, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

hheerree we go..........

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by gxc on Sep 7, 2010 7:00 PM EDT reply actions  

i sat what the hell,,, they do it in football

maybe we can see more exciting fights because they wont be so gassed … but then again some people might not train as hard. and it wouldnt be fair to the other guy, so nevermind what i just said… i am against it … i think…..lol

by #1 piggy on Sep 7, 2010 7:00 PM EDT reply actions  

In football its different

They are on the sidelines for minutes at a time. Yes, oxygen can help over the span of minutes, but 60 seconds? No. Your body is built to extract the maximum oxygen out of the air as possible. If you are healthy, canned oxygen doesn’t do shit but make you THINK you are more refreshed and you relax your muscles and breathe better.

See Space Jam and Michael Jordan’s magic “juice”

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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 7, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Football players

are out there for a lot longer then anyone in MMA, well except for punters, kickers and most of special teams, but still.

by proflex on Sep 7, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually

They’re not. There is only about 11 minutes of action in an average football game.

by Charger567 on Sep 7, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

And that includes offense and defense

It makes me laugh to see some guy on oxygen after running 50 yards.

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by ChillMike on Sep 7, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

No it couldn't have

Canned oxygen is a placebo.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 7, 2010 7:00 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Apparently it being a placebo is WHY Nevada and Texas don't mind

Both Sherry Wulkin (NJSACB’s chief ringside physician) and a Dr. Jorge Guerrero (ringside physician in Texas) discounted its effectiveness… though Guerrero said that the Oxygen4Energy president’s suggestion of between-rounds would NOT be allowed.

by Chortles on Sep 7, 2010 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you

We need someone to write an article on this and link to it with every article concerning this matter. There was a great quantitative post buried in the comments of the Lawal/Noons O2 cheating article.

It matters for free driving because you have to hold your breath, and a deep breath can hold more oxygen than your whole blood supply. In MMA, both fighters breathe. It does nothing but maybe give a psychological boost to the weak minded.

by Mint on Sep 8, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, what do you know...

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by Geno Mrosko on Sep 7, 2010 7:07 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm sure Shane will be ecstatic that a cure has been found.

GSP is an alien sent here to humiliate our men and mate with our women

by MMA_Messiah on Sep 7, 2010 7:11 PM EDT reply actions  

AND

ecstatic that he is now the poster boy for GASSING.

by judonerd on Sep 7, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve always been of the opinion that Carwin only gassed because he went apeshit on Brock for like 3 straight minutes, with 90% of his punches being blocked. If a world class 10k runner tried to beat Michael Johnson’s record in the first lap, he’d gas too.

If he and Jackson say that he can fight for 5 rounds, I believe them. He just has to avoid fighting like a moron next time.

by Mint on Sep 8, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, no, no.

Cheating is cheating.

Why not let someone else throw the punches, as well?

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by Keren on Sep 7, 2010 7:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, because that's the argument here.

Did you come up with that gem on your own?

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by Geno Mrosko on Sep 7, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

College has helped me a lot for sure

but i pointed out a logical fallacy in keren’s post. its fair game.

by destructivist on Sep 7, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

what did you contribute to the discussion yourself? Nothing. thanks.

by destructivist on Sep 7, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok the combination is 1.....2....3....4...5...

That’s the same combination as my luggage!

by Body Triangle on Sep 7, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

spaceballs reference for the win.

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by Nightwhistler on Sep 7, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Win.

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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 7, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whycome when I slammed a can of oxygen at the bar last weekend, I performed a flying scissor heel hook on a bouncer?

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by Blackout612 on Sep 7, 2010 7:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Cool ad bro

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by Neil Manich on Sep 7, 2010 7:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Who cares

Let ‘em use it. Couldn’t be that much of an advantage, if it even is one.

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by donkeypunch on Sep 7, 2010 7:18 PM EDT reply actions  

I didnt think so many people would cry about canned O2, then again this is an MMA website....

I agree w/donkeypunch. When you’ve got guys that are 270+ lbs it definitely becomes useful. I just think to satisfy the requirements of the crybabies, legislators & fighters it should be thoroughly tested before it gets a big “OK” stamp from the comissions.

by destructivist on Sep 7, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, it definately is NOT useful.

by Mint on Sep 8, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's nothing potentially threatening or dangerous about using canned oxygen.

And if both guys get it, its not like one has an unfair advantage. If you trained cardio better than the other guy, you’re still going to be fresher if both of you use the oxygen.

And ultimately, canned oxygen is not going to get Shane through a 5 round fight. He just gasses in 2 and 1/2 rounds instead of 1.

by sBruce24 on Sep 7, 2010 7:22 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

if someone is smoking a cigarette in the audience, there is a huge threat.

 but since smoking is banned everywhere, that shouldnt become an issue.

If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?

by whardiek on Sep 7, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not really

Canned oxygen isn’t flammable or combustible. It’s one of those. IIRC

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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 7, 2010 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

More like 0.80001 rounds instead of 0.8

Stop being so gullible for this scam artist’s product.

by Mint on Sep 8, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

My buddy just graduated with a Respiratory Therapy degree and I asked him about the canned oxygen. He looked for some research but only found a study on football players taking oxygen. The study showed they got no real benefit from it except for a placebo effect. He wouldn’t say much beyond that.

It seems to me that there’s only so much oxygen you can pull into the blood at one time.

by Rufford on Sep 7, 2010 7:22 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Exactly.

1. You’re not going to get any noticeable increase in stored oxygen by boosting from a normal 97% to 99%.

2. Breathing during the fight is where the vast majority of oxygen comes from, and absolutely dwarfs the oxygen you have stored in the blood entering each round.

3. Oxygen is not the limiting factor in fatigue anyway because everyone knows how to breathe. It’s conditioning of the nervous system, muscles, and cardiovascular system (heart, lungs, capillaries, etc).

by Mint on Sep 8, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

They should also be forbidden from drinking water because it refreshes them and is a slippery slope toward steroids

See what I did there?

Oxygen is natural, its what we breathe and is a perfectly acceptable way of enhancing a fight.

by cyke on Sep 7, 2010 7:24 PM EDT reply actions  

True but isn’t training your cardio also part of this sport?

by Rufford on Sep 7, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

o2 is not a substitute for cardio, just an enchancer.

by cyke on Sep 7, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not even an enhancer

As everyone is saying, it’s a placebo.

by Mint on Sep 8, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

As I’ve said, it should be manditory for heavyweight fights. Who gives a shit? Plus, I’d rather the better fighter not lose because of conditioning

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by Austin Martin on Sep 7, 2010 7:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Wasn’t Carwin looking for a cure to his problem? Someone tweet him this please. lol

by slblair on Sep 7, 2010 7:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Well steriods don't affect the skill level either...

I hope we don’t see fighters sucking on cans of oxygen between rounds. Being able to pace yourself in a fight and have really good cardio is part of the fight game.

by J_Maddux on Sep 7, 2010 8:01 PM EDT reply actions  

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by rovert on Sep 7, 2010 8:11 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

How much did Oxygen4Energy pay for this advertorial?

by smoogy2 on Sep 7, 2010 8:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Canned Oxygen?

Last I checked it was called conditioning, and the HW division needs it badly. Im very much against Canned Oxygen in between rounds, conditioning is part of the game get use to it.

Shit whats next? Stunt doubles for deeper rounds?

by crewshal on Sep 7, 2010 8:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Stunt doubles for deeper rounds?

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by woomikee on Sep 8, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

If it recovered him say 10%

Carwin would still be about 200% too gassed to even throw a half decent punch, let alone top a takedown.

by Trysdor on Sep 7, 2010 8:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Oxygen at the altitudes where people fight MMA...

is a placebo. Oxygen at flying altitude (~20k and up) actually has a positive physiological effect on the body.

by Cocytus on Sep 7, 2010 8:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Yep

That’s why they deploy oxygen masks

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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 7, 2010 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

What would have helped Carwin

would have been the strategy of making Brock stand and trade.

by MicahC on Sep 7, 2010 8:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Carwin probably wouldn't have gassed....

Had he not cycled off the roids.

Mr self-righteous still hasn’t acknowledged anything. It sucks cycling off of performance enhancing drugs, your body just doesn’t want to perform.

It’s a hard lesson to learn Mr. Carwin.

by frizzkills on Sep 7, 2010 9:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Straight from their very own FAQ

http://www.oxygen4energy.com/oxygen-for-sports.html

Is using recreational oxygen safe?
Yes. All research indicates that oxygen toxicity only occurs after breathing virtually pure oxygen for hours at a time. Recreational canned oxygen typically has less than 2 minutes of continuous flow oxygen per can, is not delivered in pure form and is administered in short bursts. There is no research indicating that short bursts of oxygen can be detrimental to your health. In addition, our cans do not have airtight delivery systems, so even though their may be 90-95% oxygen in the cans, that’s not even close to what you are getting in your lungs.

So what’s the fucking point again? Am I missing something?

by zY on Sep 7, 2010 9:20 PM EDT reply actions  

They are saying you aren't getting PURE oxygent to your lungs

due to their non-airtight dispersion.

Which is basically the reason someone would use it.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 7, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you guys need some canned oxygen I have some empty soda cans I’ll sell you for half the price of this stuff.

by ufc4 on Sep 8, 2010 12:41 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

This is bullshit. Part of fighting is working your way through fatigue. I think thats part of what makes the warrior.

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by attgnp on Sep 7, 2010 9:32 PM EDT reply actions  

oxygen and stamina

oxygen’s only going to help if the body has the ability to carry it into the red blood cells then into the muscles..if you train properly you build up buffers in the muscles which will neutralize lactic acid, or at least delay its muscle fatiguing effects. This is why a person can do maybe 20 pushups as a beginner, then if he trains by adding reps every so often he’ll eventually hit 100..or more! Oxygen will NOT help a fighter..you can prove it to yourself..keep taking deep breaths (hyperventilate) until you begin to feel a little lightheaded (your blood oxygen is a little too high at that point) and see if your endurance or recovery is any better..it won’t be. This is just a gimmick and under laboratory conditions has been shown many times to have NO positive benefits to athletes. Carwin should try working out next time.

by sonnyboy1 on Sep 7, 2010 9:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Doen’t that allow you to hold your breath longer? I may just be making that up.

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by El Webber on Sep 8, 2010 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah it does

i saw it on man v. wild so it must be true

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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 8, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

News flash

MMA fighters don’t hold their breath entering each round.

OTOH, if we were talking about the Ultimate Kabaddi Championship…

by Mint on Sep 8, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

So since Shane fucking Carwin gassed out we should allow canned oxygen?

This is the dumbest premise since the NFL changed the overtime rule to appease Brett Favre. Hopefully the AC’s aren’t as stupid as the NFL was.

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by Earl Montclair on Sep 7, 2010 9:35 PM EDT reply actions  

If it doesn’t give you an advantage, then there’s no reason to do it; if it gives you an advantage then it should be illegal. So, regardless of the merits of canned oxygen, I’d hope we can all agree that it shouldn’t be part of the sport.

Prayer, pre-fight rituals, and water are all great placebos that don’t require you to huff from a canister like a clown and don’t cause other people to accuse you of cheating.

by Jahbulon on Sep 7, 2010 9:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Now this does play into the thought stream that anything giving someone an advantage should be banned by the AC.

Now what happens if they hypothetically did allow it between rounds. Would everyone view that as a doorway to illicit substances? If it medically (so far) shows no signs of improving anything, would it truly be an unfair advantage then?

by destructivist on Sep 7, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

But Shane Carwin didn't gas

He had lactic acidosis. Pure oxygen wouldn’t help him.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 7, 2010 9:56 PM EDT reply actions  

You need a snortable placebo for that, something like crystallized saline.

by Jahbulon on Sep 7, 2010 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the problem is that they didn't check what in the canisters in sf

So theoretically it could’ve been anything. Otherwise I don’t really see a problem with it.

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by chasethegoose on Sep 7, 2010 10:34 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m very against one fighter having oxygen privleges over the other, but if both fighters are able to use canned oxygen in a hypothetical situation, the person with the better cardio would still come out of the round break fresher. I’m not super knowledgable about human biology, but I believe cardio is your bodies ability to hold more oxygen in the blood (VO2 Max?) and its ability to utilize said oxygen. If your cardio is defficient all the oxygen in the world won’t do you any good because your body is not adapted to utilize that much oxygen at once efficiently.

It’s similar to a steroid situation. All the juice in the world won’t do you any good if you don’t train, eat, and rest properly, or administer the steroids properly for that matter.

by Landoman722 on Sep 7, 2010 10:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Kenny Florian got Guida's blood on him.

He didn’t sleep for a week.

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by El Webber on Sep 8, 2010 12:24 AM EDT reply actions  

I think people are making way too much hoopla out of this oxygen can thing, but...

comparing it to drinking water between rounds is not a good fit. The reason fighters are allowed drink water between rounds is because if they’re well hydrated they reduce the chance of incuring brain trauma from a shot to the head. Oxygen is a safe way to make the fight faster, but so are any number of things, like letting people mix sugar in their water. Water, and the electrolytes to help distribute it within your body, are the only things you’re gonna ingest that will legit make the bout safer. If people gassing is a concern, what I might recommend instead is letting people have a 75 second break between rounds instead of 60 seconds. It would be uniform for everyone and would be more effective than an oxygen can.

by Chromium on Sep 8, 2010 12:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Plus they're not a mutant that can absorb moisture from the air

Water between rounds is the only way of taking water in. To take in air, they just need to breathe. Now, you could argue about the quality of the air in an arena with thousands of people breathing in and out, filling up the place with CO2, and whether the air conditioning and ventilation is sufficient but I don’t think that’s really the argument here.

by KJ Gould on Sep 8, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

This would be stupid.

If you have a gameplan based around making your opponent tired, and you are relatively good after two rounds and don’t need it, but your opponent uses it, that’s a round of work or so that’s negated.

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by James Brady on Sep 8, 2010 4:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Oxygen is alright… if you’re a pussy.

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by Balrog on Sep 8, 2010 6:11 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

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