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The Shine Fights Tournament Getting Increasingly Screwed Up, Fighters May Be Suspended, Aurelio vs Aoki Endangered

Well this event won't be happening in the Patriot Center in Fairfax, VA. Will it happen at all?

MMA Rising reports:

MMARising.com has confirmed that all fighters on this Friday's Shine Fights card in Newkirk, Oklahoma will face ineligibility suspensions for taking part in an unsanctioned event. The suspensions, expected to last between 60 and 90 days, are enforceable by all member states in the Association of Boxing Commissions (ABC).

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As first reported yesterday, the Oklahoma State Athletic Commission will have zero involvement with the planned Shine Fights event. No commission representatives will be present and the OSAC will not handle traditional duties such as ensuring that each individual fighter is insured by the promotion and that required medical staff are on-hand. Shine Fights will model its show after an Oklahoma-based promotion known as C3 Fights, which runs unsanctioned events throughout the year. Fighters on C3 Fights events face the same ineligibility suspensions that Shine Fights competitors will.

Additionally, the OSAC will have no control over fighters receiving payment. In January, 5150 Combat held an event at the SpiritBank Event Center in Tulsa, Oklahoma. The promotion was unable to pay the fighters who competed on the card and, following months of delays and promises, the promoters fled the country. Fortunately, the OSAC had required 5150 to put up a $50,000 bond in the event that fighters could not be paid in a timely manner. The bond was subsequently cashed and fighters received most or all of their fight purses.

MMA Fighting has more from Joe Miller, director of the Oklahoma State Athletic Commission:

"I have some major concerns with it," Miller told MMAFighting.com. "There are probably 15 or 20 events conducted a year in Oklahoma without a commission present. My number one concern is the health and safety of the fighters. There have been events where the fighters were not paid and there was no one there to ensure that they get paid. But my major concern is the health of the fighters. I know of situations where a fighter was knocked out, knocked unconcious, and allowed to fight five days later. The problem I have with that is if a fighter is knocked out, it's mandated under our rules and the Association of Boxing Commissions rules that they take a certain amount of time off. Thirty or 45 or 60 days is normal because if a fighter is knocked out there's a possibility that he has a subdural hematoma -- bleeding on the brain -- and there's the possibility that if he gets hit again there could be serious medical problems."

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"In Oklahoma we have a large number of tribal trust lands," Miller said. "The state of Oklahoma has absolutely no authority to regulate on those particular pieces of land. In boxing it's a little different because federal law mandates that boxing be regulated by a commission, but mixed martial arts has no such law."

Miller said his only recourse is not to license any fighter who participates in unsanctioned MMA fights for 60 days.

And MMA Weekly reports that Shine is possibly going to prevent Marcus Aureliio from facing Shinya Aoki at DREAM.16. They quote Shine COO Jason Chambers:

"I can confirm that we do have an exclusive deal with Marcus Aurelio. I want to be fair with our agreement; I want our fighters to be fair. Our agreements are exclusive, within that there is language that speaks to giving permission to fight in other organizations. So a fighter can fight somewhere else, as long as we give that approval," Chambers said.

"I can confirm that I have not given any approval for Marcus Aurelio to fight in Dream."

The prior lack of approval from Shine Fights doesn't totally rule out that Aurelio could still travel and fight in Japan on Sept. 25, but from the information available at this point, that's going to fall on the shoulders of Aurelio to make the decision.

"There's definitely a possibility Marcus Aurelio fights in Dream," Chambers stated. "If you see him fight Sept. 10 in our pay-per-view, those chances are greatly improved."    

Anyone who thinks it's easy to promote MMA should really examine this case study and MMA fighters once again learn that they have to be very careful who they do business with. As Fight Opinion pointed out, Marcus Aurelio is in a very tough spot as both Shine and DREAM have had bad publicity recently involving claims that fighters have gone unpaid. 

UPDATE: Sherdog reports:

The Virginia Professional Boxing and Wrestling Program's decision to deny Shine Fights a promoter's license last Friday was based on the promotion's inability to provide mandatory documents, including evidence of a surety bond to cover fighters' purses, said Mary Broz-Vaughan, director of communications for the Dept. of Professional and Occupational Regulation. 
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In Virginia, Broz-Vaughan said the regulatory body worked diligently with the Florida-based promotion up until last Thursday to approve its licensure, even allotting the promotion an extension past the 30-day deadline organizations have to hand in all necessary documentation.

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Broz-Vaughan said the promotion also failed to provide evidence that it had procured a surety bond, a requirement of the state to ensure the fighters' purses, the payment of officials and the minimum gate fee tax is covered prior to the event.

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The Virginia Professional Boxing and Wrestling Program’s decision to deny Shine Fights a promoter’s license last Friday was based on the promotion’s inability to provide mandatory documents, including evidence of a surety bond to cover fighters’ purses, said Mary Broz-Vaughan, director of communications for the Dept. of Professional and Occupational Regulation.

Shine was either late or unable to provide complete medical records and test results, as well as fighters’ professional records, said Broz-Vaughan.

by Nick Thomas on Sep 7, 2010 1:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow, no kidding

On the UG there was a Q&A thread where Chambers claimed to have had the money in an escrow account sixty days ago.

The whole thing is worth a read; Chambers is either a liar or completely incompetent, neither of which particularly bodes well for anyone fighting under the Shine banner.

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by ihateemo on Sep 7, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

that's the SAME thing...

that he said when the last event was canceled.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 7, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also on that UG thread on page 3

Shine matchmaker Santino DeFranco said the Aurelio contract is non-exclusive.

As of yesterday, the last we spoke with his manager regarding him, he was still fighting Dennis Bermudez first round. We have a non exclusive contract with Marcus, however, he needs prior written approval from us to take any fights outside of Shine Fights. At this time, no such approval has been granted for him to participate in the Dream card later in the month.

The result is the same, meaning Aurelio needs permission, but they really should understand whether they have exclusive or non-exclusive deals.

by mma_critic on Sep 7, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

He said a lot of nice words when he guested Jordan Breem last week. Breen even complemented his retoric skills, which means something coming from Breen.

Also, things are a bit shady.

by Sventsh on Sep 7, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

You going to the red bulls game saturday?

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by Matthew Roth on Sep 7, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

na

going to the next one though,against Real Salt Lake. you? also holler at me if you ever need some graphics or romos for the blog. dave.schapiro@gmail.com

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by DamnSevern on Sep 7, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah, I'm moving after this weekend. I'll be in Texas but at the Dallas game.

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by Matthew Roth on Sep 7, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah the Red Bulls/FC Dallas game

But I’m going to try and make it to a couple of cowboys games.

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by Matthew Roth on Sep 7, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

good luck with the move

are you still going to run the blog?

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by DamnSevern on Sep 7, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I’m still gonna run the blog…been super busy with finishing everything up here that I haven’t really done much with the blog. Have pieces in the pipeline for Bouna and Dane. Just no time to finish them up.

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by Matthew Roth on Sep 7, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

word lookin forward to reading them

Henry didn’t look so good last game..email me so I have your contact info

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by DamnSevern on Sep 7, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hah

I think “Shite” probably sums it up better.

Get rid of the ramp!

by ihateemo on Sep 7, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is America

and we don’t know what you’re talkin’ about!

by Brent Ducharme on Sep 7, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love America

And the fact I can say “shite” in corporate meetings and nobody knows what the dude with the funny accent is saying. See also: gobshite.

Get rid of the ramp!

by ihateemo on Sep 7, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lock, Stock and Two Smoke Barrels and Snatch should have taken that fun away for you. Maybe you’re in business with people of poor taste.

by Rufford on Sep 7, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is going up on Fightlinker.

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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 7, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know the focus of the NC event was the Don King/Mayorga issue

But the reason the event did’t take place was because they didn’t have a bond to secure fighter purses. This is the second time this has happened in the same number of events and the second time that Shine has accused the AC of being incompetent. What does an exclusive deal with a bullshit organization really mean? Fucking disgraceful.

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by Matthew Roth on Sep 7, 2010 1:06 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

This promotion is a complete disaster

Let the countdown to this promotion folding begin.

by KAN0 on Sep 7, 2010 1:06 PM EDT reply actions  

not to mention, an 8-man 1-night tournament should not be happening in modern day MMA. all it’s going to do is get guys more injured and beat up than necessary.

screw shine.

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by GregS123 on Sep 7, 2010 1:09 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

THANK YOU!!!

This isn’t the dark ages of MMA. Fighter safety should be held to the highest of standards and any form of one night tournaments don’t meet that standard.

Just BE.

by mattman73 on Sep 7, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

this.

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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 7, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

More – http://mmajunkie.com/news/20551/fridays-shine-fights-event-faces-possible-injunction-from-oklahoma-commission.mma

Oklahoma commission may seek an injunction to stop it from taking place.

“The commission has been 100 percent successful in getting unauthorized events shut down,” said Oklahoma State Athletic Commission Director Joe Miller.

by Nick Thomas on Sep 7, 2010 1:12 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

wait, didn’t he say there are 15-20 events per year conducted in OK with no commission present? how is that a 100% success rate of shutting down unauthorized events? or is he just not counting the ones that take place on Tribal lands?

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by eastcoastatlas on Sep 7, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s counting the ones they’ve tried to shut down. I guess they let a lot go because they’re on Indian land, but they’ve tried to (and succeeded in) shutting down ones that they thought were too shady or whatever. He didn’t really elaborate on how many that was though. He could be 1 for 1 for all we know.

Basically, no commision doesn’t always equal unauthorized, I guess.

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by Tim Burke on Sep 7, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well…they’re always unauthorized but as you said, it’s a matter of which ones they decide to go after and counting all of those.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 7, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can speak for some of them

He doesn’t mess with the C3 guys generally. They are run well, and have a history of paying up and covering most fighter expenses. They management and the OSAC don’t get along on personal matters, but generally coexist well professionally. I’m sure there are some nasty underground-ish fights going on too, but many of the unauthorized events are basically on the up-and-up.

by Hedonismbot on Sep 7, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uh, I’ve heard C3 does some sketchy things too, like spontaneously adding extension rounds and letting KO’d fighters come back the same night to get KO’d again.

by smoogy2 on Sep 7, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I haven’t heard of anyone coming back to get dropped again the same night, but I do know they let fighters who’ve been KOed come back within the same month. Not the smartest thing, but as a bottom-level promotion, they bend to the fighters a bit. Those guys will get in there every week if it gets them a paycheck.

by Hedonismbot on Sep 7, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone who thinks it’s easy to promote MMA should really examine this case study

you’re right, what suck is, anybody who’s smart knows it’s a dumb idea to try to get into it, so you’re left with get-rich-quick scumbags as alternatives to the UFC.

and why the hell is there no law mandiating that MMA events be sanctioned by an AC? that’s what step one should be.

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by eastcoastatlas on Sep 7, 2010 1:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Donald Trump is a scumbag who uses corrupt political connections to shield his personal income from scrutiny so he’s free to unscrupulously enter into toxic deal after toxic deal knowing that he can just get his shit restructured through bankruptcy

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by eastcoastatlas on Sep 7, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think it’s a “dumb idea” to get into MMA promotion for anyone that tries. I think it’s a dumb idea to not grow your promotion well and try to pull shit that is beyond where you’re at currently.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 7, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

dumb was the wrong word. “Not worth the hassle of doing it the right way” would be better

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by eastcoastatlas on Sep 7, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was going to say...

there’s money to be made in running an MMA promotion. It’s just a matter of using standard growth. Are you going to get as big as the UFC? No. But that doesn’t mean you can’t make some cash.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 7, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don’t understand why this is such a hard concept to grasp.

by Phildo on Sep 7, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because its a lot more difficult than people think. Really. Start naming some long running promotions that don’t run casinos. Now, start looking at what venues they do run and what kind of fighters they get. Exactly.

by VirtualBalboa on Sep 7, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t you live in Michigan? Greg Ahrens is the most successful MMA promoter in the state, and he’s a scumbag who will let anyone fight for him that passes a blood test. The money that is to be made will be made by promoters who don’t pay fighters.

by VirtualBalboa on Sep 7, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Michigan is in the fucking dark ages right now. I’m pretty bummed about that. …if only I had money to do it right.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 7, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude, the only people with the possibility of doing it right is Carlos Llamas because he has connections with Soaring Eagle. Unless you get a site fee from someone in MMA, you’re bound for failure as a small promotion. Only other way is to pay guys $50 a round (or nothing at all).

by VirtualBalboa on Sep 8, 2010 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Plenty of people make money running MMA shows. Problem is you’d never want to see them.

by VirtualBalboa on Sep 7, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lots of issues.

About Aurelio’s contract, anyone signing a “exclusive worldwide contract” with an organization that isn’t run by Zuffa is silly. If you want the ability to fight in other orgs, you need to get completely open contracts.

The bond in VA is awful. this is the same reason why the fights in NC were canceled, it should have been #1 on the list of things to do for this card. It’s also bad because Chambers said in the Q&A thread on the ug last night that the money for fight purses were placed in an escrow account 60 days ago.

The suspensions are confusing, the way I read the mmafighting article is that they can’t actually suspend the fighters, but they can refuse to offer them a license for 60 days, and I don’t see how that would be an issue for a fighter with a license in another state unless they want to fight in Oklahoma within 60 days.

by Phildo on Sep 7, 2010 1:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Can you explain the Q&A on the UG? What happened?

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by Matthew Roth on Sep 7, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

he posted a thread, I asked what was being done to ensure the fighters would be paid since that was the issue last time, and since now there is no commission, and he said the money has been in escrow for 60 days (even though the fight wasn’t publicly announced 60 days ago). now the VA commission says that they couldn’t provide the bond for fight purses. He’s definitely been talking in circles about the stuff that happened with regards to the NC event, but this appears to be a flat out lie, about this card.

by Phildo on Sep 7, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

The beginning(?) of the end for Shine

Dana White better get a bigger tombstone and Chambers needs to go back to that martial arts TV show with the awkward, bald, mustachioed fellow.

by menckenstein on Sep 7, 2010 1:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Shine doesn’t even deserve to be on the tombstone. they were never really very much alive.

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by eastcoastatlas on Sep 7, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did anyone seriously expect this event to take place after they CHANGED STATES 10 DAYS BEFORE THE SHOW?

by Chris Nelson on Sep 7, 2010 1:43 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

I sure don't

And I’m glad I didn’t buy tickets while it was here in VA. I’d fight Jason Chambers for my Ticketmaster service charge cost.

by menckenstein on Sep 7, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

No but I think people expected a different reason

How can you blame an AC for being incompetent when it’s the second time in a row you haven’t secured a bond to cover event costs?

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by Matthew Roth on Sep 7, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn’t that happen to like UFC 5 or 6?

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by Neil Manich on Sep 7, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

UFC 12

Originally scheduled for New York, then Oregon, and finally had to settle for Dothan Alabama.

by Steve4192 on Sep 7, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I remember they had t-shirts made that said “Why is the UFC in Dothan? Because in NYC, they only let street gangs kick your ass.”

by Chris Nelson on Sep 7, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I will pay top dollar for one of those.

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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 7, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well that saves me a hell alot of a trouble in updating the fan post I made

I have a couple lingering questions about the the VAC, including-

-To what degree is the commissioner able to approve rules changes for events that are outside the commissions guidelines?

-Did Shine ever have a license approved to hold the event, and was it later revoked? Cause if not wouldn’t Shine and all parties involved be guilty of breaking a Virginia law?

§ 54.1-835. Other penalties.

A. It shall be a Class 1 misdemeanor for any person required to possess a license under subsection A of § 54.1-829 to engage in the promotion, arrangement or conduct of or participate in a boxing or wrestling event without first obtaining the appropriate license from the Department.

by Balrog on Sep 7, 2010 3:55 PM EDT reply actions  

I dont even want this to happen anymore.

In theory it was kind of nice to have fan matchmaking and such, but this is a disgrace. If you can’t even guarantee fighter wages you shouldn’t be in this business.

by destructivist on Sep 7, 2010 4:19 PM EDT reply actions  

What's the over/under of the event actually airing?

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by RobertGBP on Sep 7, 2010 5:00 PM EDT reply actions  

SHINE Fights

Now we all know the true this company is running along con on everyone.They try to blame Virginia for all this and they can’t cover the event bond.On Jordan Breen Chambers said everyone was paid and that the Va event will happen.Now there out in VA and run to OK to get around all these fees.This company is a joke,I knew weeks ago this event wasn’t happening.Don’t trust SHINE..

by TERRENCEFROMSOUTHEAST on Sep 7, 2010 6:19 PM EDT reply actions  

As a fan, I just want more MMA and I don’t care who puts it on.

/being indefensibly naive

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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 7, 2010 11:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Get your own house in order, Chambers.

Chambers is way out of line to even be talking about Aurelio in DREAM when the last Shine show didn’t even fucking happen and this one is barely maybe going to happen. What the hell kind of promotion would Aurelio be exclusive to? An exclusive contract with Shine?!? That’d make for a great living I’m sure. Soley existing on Shine never paying you. Chambers is a clown.

by MMAmadman on Sep 8, 2010 6:14 AM EDT reply actions  

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