UFC 121 Preview: Cain Velasquez Says "I Have to Use My Quickness" Against Brock Lesnar
by Nick Thomas on Sep 6, 2010 11:29 PM EDT
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Saturday, October 23rd live on PPV from the Honda Center in Anaheim, CA:
Cain Velasquez (8-0) +145
Win Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira - TKO (Punches) UFC 110
Win Ben Rothwell - TKO (Punches) UFC 104
Win Cheick Kongo - Decision (Unanimous) UFC 99
Win Denis Stojnic - TKO (Punches) UFC FN 17
Brock Lesnar (5-1) -175
Win Shane Carwin - Submission (Arm-Triangle Choke) UFC 116
Win Frank Mir - TKO (Punches) UFC 100
Win Randy Couture - TKO (Punches) UFC 91
Win Heath Herring - Decision (Unanimous) UFC 87
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I can’t wait to see those two fight.
I’d also really like to see Cain fight Mir, JDS and Carwin. Hope to see those.
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The question is, how much quicker is he than Lesnar?
IMO, not very. Cain hasnt faced anyone i’d consider fast, matter of fact, I’d consider most of the slow (minus Kongo).
Cain’s best strategy is going to be to try to “Edgar” Lesnar. That’s easier said than done because Brock isn’t going to be passive like BJ was. Brock has bigger holes in his standup than BJ does and Cain is better than Frankie, so it’s possible.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 6, 2010 11:17 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
he’s going to be much faster than brock. imo, comparable to how much faster rashad was than rampage.
by Hendo_One-Shot on Sep 6, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
You're CRAZY if you think the speed difference is that great
CRAZY.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 7, 2010 4:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Straight-line speed I'm sure Lesnar is close, but Cain is much quicker with lateral movements, and has much better footwork to boot.
"It's not what you know, it's what you can prove."
Exactly.
Brock can move really fast in a straight line, but he doesn’t have quick head movement, lateral movement, hell even his arms move rather slow compared to Cain and JDS.
It’s one thing to look big and fast against a 46 yr old LHW or a plodding Mir, but Cain, JDS, and a non-gassed Carwin are a different story.
very well put
i honestly wouldn’t expect you to look at it so realistically but i’m glad you do.
i’m not sure who will win
lb for lb cain is a much better fighter
but he is giving up a lot of size
his stand up is much much much better than brocks and if he can edgar lesnar and stay out from underneath the monster i think he’ll break brock
but if brock can impose his will and use his size it’ll be all over for cain
i don’t know much about wrestling but i think cains wrestling pedigree should suffice
i just don’t know
but i’m certainly excited to see it
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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 6, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
i dont see how having the better stand up makes you the "much" better fighter
I wish Randy would mount me too...
welllllllllll
he’s got a better record
a higher take down percentage and a higher striking percentage than brock
Velasquez has outlanded his last five opponents 481-63 in total strikes, nearly an 8-1 ratio.
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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 7, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
if mma record striking and takedowns don’t make for a better lb for lb fighter than what does?
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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 7, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
caliber of opponents?
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by Earl Montclair on Sep 7, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
point taken
and i was waiting on someone to make it
as it’s the only valid point against my argument
however
randy was outweighed by 60 lbs
mir is over rated
herring was hand picked to lose…….he always loses to wrestlers (see jake o brian)
mir beat him
carwin has lactic acidosis
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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 7, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Dennis Stojnic – doesn’t belong in the UFC
Jake O’Brien – See Dennis Stojnic. Also is a LHW
Cheick Kongo – Always loses to wrestlers ( Also lost to Heath Herring who you already stated sucks)
Ben Rothwell – Meh.
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by Earl Montclair on Sep 7, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
We can attempt to discredit everyones wins over everyone
I gaurantee you picked Randy to beat Brock
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by Earl Montclair on Sep 7, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
i gurantee you're wrong
size is a big deal in mma
that’s why weight cutting is such an integral part of the sport
i try to always be realistic and not let my hate for brock outweigh logic
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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 7, 2010 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
you do better than most!
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by Earl Montclair on Sep 7, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
The only person I liked better than Lesnar was Carwin
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by Earl Montclair on Sep 7, 2010 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I've only been in one
Scared shitless is an understatement…
"Tons of blacks and their big black wrists"-Luke Thomas
but yeah
you’re right
we can discredit anyones wins
it’s all subjective
that’s why i said i just dunno
but to deny cains skills far outweigh brocks just seems silly based on the numbers
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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 7, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
however
mma math never works
so numbers while helpful are also useless when it all comes down to fight night
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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 7, 2010 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Brock has one advantage Cain does not.
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by Earl Montclair on Sep 7, 2010 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
haha
truth
and rec
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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 7, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Cain has better stand up for sure. He has not, however, ought anyone who is a TD threat against him. He will not be able to open up on his feet like he has in every other fight.
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by Earl Montclair on Sep 7, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
this is very true
however that’s where his speed will hopefully come into play
like i said i just dunno
brock’s only real MAJOR advantage is size though on paper
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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 7, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, it’s all about size. This is why Bob Sapp was so dominant of course.
Lesnar is also monstrously strong and incredibly fast and agile for his size. There are very few athletes on the planet his size who also have his athleticism in any sport. Maybe Velasquez has better wrestling on a technical level, and he definitely has better stand-up, but Lesnar is a very high-caliber wrestling in his own right and he hits like a truck. The question is whether Velasquez’s superior technical ability is enough to overcome not only what he is giving up in size, but also in strength and KO power.
Lesnar's not that athletic compared to NBA or NFL guys.
He’s not even that strong, in terms of bench press.
In MMA Lesnar’s at the top in terms of big athletes, I think Overeem may be close in terms of overall athletic ability.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 7, 2010 6:22 AM EDT up reply actions
way to talk out of your ass
Have you seen his combine results? He’s not exactly at the bottom of the heap.
His combine numbers shortly after he was caught in Louisville with HGH? Yeah, seen those. Also, Brock doesn't look like he did 5 years ago. Even then, his numbers were comparable to most NFL DE's, and worse than most starters.
The hyperbole surrounding Lesnar’s athletic ability is amazing.
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I'm not saying he was monstrous
But he wasn’t a slouch either. He’s as athletic as a decent player his size in the NFL. He’s not a bad athlete at all.
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Right, but Chromium said there are very few athletes on the planet with that size, strength, speed combo, and Farnsworth said he's not that athletic compared to NBA or NFL guys.
Which is true. He’s middle of the road for a pro athlete. You’re correct that he wasn’t bottom of the heap at the combine, but you’re incorrect in saying he was talking out of his ass. Especially now post WWE diet and post illness I guarantee Brock has lost a couple steps.
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Mario Williams, considered an athletic specimen, even for the NFL
NFL Combine Stats: 40-yard dash – 4.66, 225 bench press – 35 reps, vertical jump – 40.5"
Brock Lesnar ran a 4.65 40, had a vertical jump of 35 inches, a standing long jump of 10 feet, and was able to bench 225 lbs at 30 reps.
I’d say those are pretty fucking comparable especially with Lesnar’s motorcycle injury just weeks before.
C’mon be real
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 7, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
If you're using false numbers off of message boards to exagerrate his athleticism, then yes, he's close to Mario Williams.
Lesnar ran a 4.75, which is a big difference. To contrast, there were over 10 D-lineman in this years combine that ran a sub 4.72. Not sure about the rest of the stats, but if one’s embellished, I wouldn’t be surprised if they all were.
Let me restate so my position is clear…Lesnar is absolutely a great athlete. Lesnar is absolutely not some type of freak of nature that’s never been seen as he’s made out to be. For NFL players with comparable size he is middle of the road.
And you’re arguing that he never used PED’s, but put up those numbers just after getting in a serious motorcycle accident just weeks before?
C’mon be real.
"It's not what you know, it's what you can prove."
1. His arrest in Louisville was YEARS before his NFL combine test. That happened BEFORE his WWE career.
2. We don’t what was in the package he was arrested for. We know what is wasn’t (steroids), but the it was never confirmed what it was. Lesnar’s people claimed it was supplements. The Louisville DA claimed it was a ‘hormone-like substance’, which could have been androstenedione just as easily as it could have been HGH. Claiming it was definitely HGH is disingenuous.
The pills were a type of growth hormone, so you're right, I shouldn't have said HGH. I'll leave it at GH, either way some type of PED.
We was signed with the WWE at the time as well. Also, it’s pretty clear that he was much more defined when he was in the WWE. He obviously does more cardio work now to train for fighting, than he did to train for the WWE. Unless he’s some sort of anomoly, people don’t gain body fat percentage when they do more cardio. There’s plenty of antectotal evidence coupled with his arrest to lead anyone who’s not being an apologist to see that he used PED’s. What does it matter regarding his UFC career? Nothing as far as I’m concerned. I was just saying that he’s not the same guy that he was when he was in the combine. Helen Keller can see that.
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No, the pills were a PRO-Hormone
Available OTC and not a PED. They were perfectly legal. The ONLY people that say i was a GH are you, some “detective” (off the record to Smoking gun) and Lesnar haters. Lesnar’s attorney released what the product actually was back when this took place.
This is just more Anti-Lesnar propaganda taken as fact.
As for why he is fatter, it’s simple knowledge. In the WWF, they don’t have bodies for athletic performance. They have body built to LOOK good. So he cut all the fat and built muscles to LOOK good. In a real sport, you don’t n eed to LOOK good, you need to FUNCTION good. So he lost excess muscle and built muscle in the right place. It happens with tons of athletes who come into MMA who grew up lifting wrong. Otherwise you look like Phil Baroni or Bobby lashley.
There’s no “ancedotal evidence”. Do you know what that means? Show me one piece. All the haters have is one false arrest and that he worked in the WWF. Oh he MUST’VE used steroids. Nigga please. If you think he used PEDs, cool, that’s your prerogative. Don’t go spewing false bullshit to do it. You have no evidence, not even “anecdotal evidence” or circumstantial evidence.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 7, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok, if you're so certain, source? Where is the information about the exact substance. Actually, the only people that say it wasn't growth hormone are you, Lesnar's attorney(shocker) and Lesnar apologists.
As for the body type…Then why when he was just starting the NFL was he more athletic than he is now? I can understand losing muscle, but losing muscle does not = gaining fat or losing definition. You don’t start doing intense cardio circuits and gain flab. I’ve never known someone to GAIN FAT to function better in athletic competition.
Yes, I know damn well what anectdotal evidence means, but apparently you do not. It speaks to a claim that is believed to be true through unsubstantiated evidence. Like, “I believe Lesnar used PED’s because he was arrested with growth hormone. They initially thought it was steroids, but found out they were growth hormone, or as his attorney calls them, ‘Some vitamin-type thing’. He was also much more defined and had less fat. Now that he works out more often, he has managed to gain fat.” That’s anecdotal evidence.
And is it really such an absurd assumption that a guy working for a company that promotes use of PED’s(implicitly at least) and has the lowest body fat percentage of his life uses PED’s? He’s good friends with Kurt Angle who just got popped with a truckload of HGH like a year ago. I’m not your “nigga”, don’t say that shit to me.
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I don’t know what it was, but I can say with 100% certainty that it was NOT hGH
hGH (actually rhGH or Somatropin) only comes as an injectable liquid that rapidly breaks down if not refrigerated. There are no pill forms of this drug (which, aside from that taken from cadavers is the only form of hGH)
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by BigDNotDallas on Sep 8, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
No he wasn't caught in Louisville with HGH
Stop making shit up. First of all, that arrest happen years before 2004. Second of all, it wasn’t HGH at all, it was a pro-hormone which is PERFECTLY legal unlike HGH. Third, and most importantly, he had been in a motorcycle accident a couple weeks before putting up those numbers and tore up his groin and hamstring.
And his combine numbers were better than number one draft pick DE Mario Williams.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 7, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
So your saying on one hand that he didn't use PED's, and on the other hand that with a torn groin and hamstring he was able to put up those numbers.
Classic
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This is why I said what I said about the guy
He is absolutely freakishly athletic. I’ve seen what the guy can do as far back as his college wrestling days (granted I mean I saw the tapes after he became famous but still) and no one should be moving like that at that size. I reitterate: there are very few athletes on the planet his size who also have his athleticism in any sport.
don't ever bring up bob sapp in a serious mma conversation
size is a big deal
if it wasn’t then weight cutting wouldn’t be such a big part of the sport
there are exceptions where fighters use speed to negate size difference
but over all yes size is a big deal
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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 7, 2010 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Those are deceiving stats to say the least.
Not only has Cain fought more then Brock, but there’s also the fact that Brock drops his opponents with one punch. Even in Cain’s most dominate striking performance he still hit Noguiera multiple times.
Also on the takedown one: When Brock Lesnar takes you down you stay down. Cain has had some difficulty keeping opponents down on the ground resulting in more takedowns per fight. Brock’s only had issues with Herring who is a natural scrambler (and it was his third pro fight) and Couture who is an exceptional MMA wrestler.
I’m not saying Cain can’t beat Brock, but I don’t think the striking game is as clear cut as you make it sound when you possess Brock’s natural punching power and Brock’s natural “cement brick” like head..
really
Also on the takedown one: When Brock Lesnar takes you down you stay down.
tell that to randy
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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 7, 2010 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh...
Reading isn’t your strong point?
“Brock’s only had issues with Herring who is a natural scrambler (and it was his third pro fight) and Couture who is an exceptional MMA wrestler.”
Not being able to out wrestle Randy Couture is not a weakness no matter how washed up you think Couture is.
no need to get snide
i was in the process of replying
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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 7, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
No need to get snide?
Do you even read BE comments?
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 7, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
you know i do bro
and i tend to think that the posters here are MUCH less snide than most mma sites i’ve frequented in the past
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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 7, 2010 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Herring who is a natural scrambler (and it was his third pro fight) and Couture who is an exceptional MMA wrestler
mother fuckin jake o brian controlled and beat herring with take downs
and randy was outweighed by 60lbs and still held his own against brock in the wrestling dept
brock also couldn’t take carwin down
till the “lactic acidosis” of course
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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 7, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Brock tried one takedown if I remember correctly on Carwin. It also succeeded. Then again, I could be forgetting due to the excitement.
Name one fighter, heavyweight, LHW, or otherwise that has out wrestled Randy Couture and you might have a point. Unless I’m making a huge critical error you won’t be able to name one.
Randy is probably the best “MMA Wrestler” ignoring any and all credentials in MMA history. And Brock wasn’t “controlled” or dominated. He won Round one and then knocked Randy out. That was not a bad performance.
he missed his first takedown before getting rocked
and then missed another one after getting rocked
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by Earl Montclair on Sep 7, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I admit it
I forgot about the one before. Kind of got lost in all the hoopla.
hoopla is a mofo
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by Earl Montclair on Sep 7, 2010 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
indeed
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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 7, 2010 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't make me post some pics up in this bitch about that first takedown
That was not a normal Lesnar takedown in the first
Lesnar clinches first (after getting hit) and then runs forward. Look at his grip, his placement and his legs and drive.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 7, 2010 4:35 AM EDT up reply actions
What's your point? That he didn't bullrush from the opposite end of the cage? That looked like a full-throttle attempt at a double leg that got stuffed that he was forced to move to the clinch.
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It doesn’t look like it got stuffed to me.
It looks like a successful takedown but Lesnar failed to maintain control.
The shot was stuffed and he got the takedown when he let it go and came up to the clinch.
"It's not what you know, it's what you can prove."
This obviously did not start off as a takedown attempt
It turned into one after he got tagged, much like Hendo did in round 2 against Anderson (although Hendo’s was more Anderson running into him IIRC).
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by BigDNotDallas on Sep 8, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
To me it looks like Lesnar bull rushing a double, switching to the clinch, Carwin having a overhook on Lesnar’s right arm followed by a half ass hip throw. Which would count as a Carwin TD if anything.
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by dancingChicken on Sep 7, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
It was actually a foot technique not hip, but still…
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by dancingChicken on Sep 7, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
The point is, it wasn't a normal takedown attempt
Do you know how takedowns work? You don’t just grab the waist and start running?
Brock grabbed Carwin’s waist to avoid getting hit and started running. You can call it a “takedown attempt”, but it’s not an indicator of him being able to stop Brock’s TDs. Look how high up on the body Lesnar is.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 7, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
This doesn't warrant a response that wouldn't violate site rules.
"It's not what you know, it's what you can prove."
It looked like he was trying to go for the clinch (either for an upper-body (Greco-Roman) takedown attempt or simply to close the distance or whatever), he got grazed with a punch and then went into an impromptu run-the-pipe takedown that partially succeeded. Carwin manages to move off a bit to the side to keep from getting from pinned against the fence, but doesn’t shake Lesnar entirely. It actually looks like good technique on the parts of both fighters, both of whom are going up against the physically strongest opponent that either has ever had.
randy couldn’t take vera down and had to resort to pushing him against the cage
and vera didn’t outweigh randy
however vera also wrestled with the olympic roman greco team but has shown little of that wrestling in mma
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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 7, 2010 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
He still out-wrestled Vera by pushing him against the cage and dirty boxing him. Boring as all hell, but he did it.
My point is saying Brock couldn’t out wrestle Couture isn’t a negative. No one has “out wrestled” Couture. You can keep up, sure, and do well, sure, but straight up taking Couture down and controlling him the entire fight? I can’t think of a single person.
naw it's never happened
well
josh barnett did pretty well in reversing couture controlling him on the ground and pounding him into submissin
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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 7, 2010 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
but
couture did control barnett on the ground for part of the fight as well
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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 7, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
How quickly people forget
the Randleman fight.
Ok, maybe not quickly forget, but Randleman outwrestled fthe fuck out of Randy for most of it.
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oh snap
good fuckin memory
the best i could come up with was barnett
you win
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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 7, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Not a great memory
I just rewatched the fight about a month and a half ago, honestly. I spend WAY too much time watching tape…
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well
spending way too much time comes in handy in the bloody elbow discussion boards apparently
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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 7, 2010 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I actually do it to stay on the ball for work.
Whenever there’s a question about a fight, I know the answer off the top of my head. If I don’t, I re-watch everything relevant immediately. You’d be surprised at how much knowing trivia and old fights can throw somebody off their game when they think they are the big dick in the room.
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by pdl on Sep 7, 2010 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions
"Amen, Brother."
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by Earl Montclair on Sep 7, 2010 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Say what you want about the guy (not here of course, this is not the appropriate place)
But he shot a man IN THE FACE and then the man he shot apologized!
Now that’s gangster.
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by Earl Montclair on Sep 7, 2010 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions
My penis used to be nicknamed "Dick Cheney"
Both for the obvious reason, but also because he’ll shoot you in the face if you’re not careful.
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by pdl on Sep 7, 2010 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions
To let pdl shoot you in the face?
you sick bastard, no wonder you’re so obsessed with sucking wieners.
Josh Barnett is a thrice proven juicer with a pro wrestling mindset and a personality that would lead you to believe he's never had a romantic encounter that didn’t start with "you gotta pay me upfront."
by Fake Emcee on Sep 7, 2010 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
It works,
he still hasn’t had one baby.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 7, 2010 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
My penis got a bad rap as Dr. Octagon
He has since converted to Islam and is now known as Maliq El Shaballz
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 7, 2010 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"Shaballz"
rec for making me get my David Letterman laugh on.
Josh Barnett is a thrice proven juicer with a pro wrestling mindset and a personality that would lead you to believe he's never had a romantic encounter that didn’t start with "you gotta pay me upfront."
For a second
I thought you were saying your dick was old, evil and dying of heart failure in the near future.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 7, 2010 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Not to take sides but
Bones tossed Vera like a child. It seems to me, he would fair better than Randy against Brock. Just saying that point out that Randy isn’t even the best LHW wrestler, let alone HW.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 7, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
BONES!!!
I have no idea what you’re talking about, but I saw Jon Jones’s name and feel obligated to jump on his nuts.
Jones vs. Velasquez is one of my dream fights.
"You hear people say, 'You're the greatest,' and all this stuff. It's BS. It's fake, it's all fake. You've just got to keep training as hard as you can. The only thing real is the fight, everything else is fake." - BJ Penn
Well, you seemed to have got the point.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 7, 2010 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions
you gave him a bonesgasm simply by saying his name.
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by Earl Montclair on Sep 7, 2010 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions
When I think about Bones
I touch myself.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 7, 2010 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Bones would toss Randy like a child as well
Lesnar was clearly unfamiliar with the Greco game, and almost looked too tenative, as if he was afraid Randy was expecting him to respond as he should and he would get tooled…
Fortunately, he got past that…
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by BigDNotDallas on Sep 8, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Greco wrestling is a whole different animal...
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by BigDNotDallas on Sep 8, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Stats don't matter.
I don’t know y you’d use them in a argument to see who’d win. We all know by now styles make fights. And anything can happen in the ring. Brock is gonna overpower Cain and it’s not like Brock is slow. His shot is a freaky fast and powerful for a guy his size. Brock wins in first round. Cain will not get out from under Brock. Brock remains champ until he meets the force that is JDS.
by Bloodsport on Sep 7, 2010 12:52 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i thought you were serious
until i saw the part about jds beating brock
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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 7, 2010 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Cain is going to walk into the cage
Stare into the eyes of the monster known as brock say.
“Really?”
Then jump over the cage i will then tell my grandchildren
“and he was never seen again.”
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by We All Hate Caleb on Sep 6, 2010 11:18 PM EDT reply actions
I think Cain is going to wax Brock more convincingly than most think. Literally the only advantage Brock has is size. Cain is a better fighter in every aspect.
And I don’t mean that Brock is bad. It’s just Cain is exceptional.
by zY on Sep 6, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
truth
without a doubt pound for pound (not talkin about any make believe “p4p” rankings) cain is a much better fighter
brocks size is a big deal though
that’s why weight classes were invented and why cutting weight is such an integral part of mma now days
i’m not gonna speculate
i hope brock gets made to look foolish
but i just dunno
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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 6, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree. With wrestling, I have seen Cain in MMA utilize a wider variety of takedowns than Lesnar, who has only used a power double leg (but it works for him, so I am not trying to say this as a slight to Lesnar). In the standup, Cain has looked very crisp against Nogueira whereas Lesnar hasn’t looked that good in his standup. The size factor though is definitely a difference maker. However, if Randy Couture was able to press Lesnar against the cage and even get a takedown on Lesnar, it is not impossible for Cain to get takedowns of Lesnar.
Gummi Bears look crisp against Nogueira.
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by Earl Montclair on Sep 7, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
That was clever.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 7, 2010 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
clever indeed
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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 7, 2010 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Cain is not a better wrestler than Brock Lensar
i mean…..BROCKLESNAR!!!!!!!!!
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by Earl Montclair on Sep 6, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Cain has more strength and striking power? Is there a huge gap between their wrestling ability? Also, when there’s a gap in size there’s also almost always an inverse gap in speed, and no such gap exists here. They’re about even. Cain is a very tough opponent for Brock, but Carwin is the only guy in the UFC who seemed to have a real antidote for Brock (his vastly superior boxing combined with the strongest punches in MMA), and he couldn’t quite get it done.
Completely agree
If Carwin trains properly to overcome his gassing/lactic acidosis issues, he may well take Lesnar.
Cain has a chance, if he can prolong the fight into the later rounds.
JDS has a puncher’s chance…
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by BigDNotDallas on Sep 8, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Outside of Carwin I didnt see anyone having a shot against Lesnar
Cain has a much better chance than JDS against Lesnar because of his wreslting and work ethic
"Tons of blacks and their big black wrists"-Luke Thomas
Carwin?
I have a feeling Carwin wont be getting his second chance for a while.
by Papercut Elbow on Sep 7, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I think we might see a HW Jiu Jitsu fight
Brock doesn’t really like getting hit and he seemed cat like on the ground in round 2. Cain seems able to hang with Brock in the wrestling game. It seems to me, we’re gonna see a lot of transitions and scrambles. I think whoever gets the best of those transitions, will win the fight.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 7, 2010 12:02 AM EDT reply actions
He was quick as hell on the ground at the end of round one
As soon as Shane tried to pass guard Brock immediately slid out, spun his hips and pinned Shane against the cage.
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by Earl Montclair on Sep 7, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
true
forgot about that tiny moment of success amidst the first beat down of his life.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 7, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
This "Brock doesn't like getting hit" nonsense
makes me sick. Brock doesn’t like getting hit BY SHANE CARWIN. Randy and Frank both caught him with a few decent shots and he was fine. Velasquez does not have the same one shot power at all.
by The so-called Beautiful on Sep 7, 2010 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know what’s worse: The drip drip jheri curl or the glitter.
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by Earl Montclair on Sep 7, 2010 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions
A couple of the 7 strikes Randy landed Brock took well
He took the Mir shots pretty good.
He cowered up though. To me that screams he’s not getting hit in practive. Now he knows he has a chin, he’s not gonna pull that bS.
/sarcasm
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 7, 2010 4:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Both Randy and Frank Caught Brock with a few shots
he leaned back Like Lyoto Fucking Machida, except without the uncanny balance and footwork/ striking set ups. He was able to use his freakish reach to return fire without either one of them able to capitalize on his going off balance. Cain may be able to take advantage of those bad habits.
So Brock doesn’t like getting hit… it’s true. He has some bad habbits that would make any boxing or Muay Thai coach cringe. Those habits are what people are referring to. Not as if he forgets how to fight and looks like a deer in headlights because a fist made contact with him.
Brock is going to beat Cain so bad it is going to double the expected capacity of the JDS war wagon.
lol @ war wagon
Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac?
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I didn't see Akiyama anywhere in this video.
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by Earl Montclair on Sep 7, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
What a corny video title.
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by Earl Montclair on Sep 7, 2010 12:40 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I was thinking the same thing
I will just shit if that title ends up in the UFC promo
"Tons of blacks and their big black wrists"-Luke Thomas
That shit has Goldy written all over it
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by Earl Montclair on Sep 7, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
He can only say that if he wins
and we all know that ain’t happenin
"Tons of blacks and their big black wrists"-Luke Thomas
During the entrance I bet he says
“Is Cain able? Or will Brock Lesnar remain the baddest man on the planet?”
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by Earl Montclair on Sep 7, 2010 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Ill sig bet you on it.
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by Earl Montclair on Sep 7, 2010 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Your rockin my sig right now good sir, and I like it like that
"Tons of blacks and their big black wrists"-Luke Thomas
Because I enjoy making the same points over and over
Brock’s MMA wrestling is ridiculously overrated. He has taken down who? Frank Mir? A gassed Carwin? And he failed to do ANYTHING on the ground to Couture, and had his takedowns stuffed repeatedly. Carwin, whose MMA wrestling is unproven, also stuffed Brock’s takedowns until he gassed.
Brock is very uncomfortable when he’s pressured. There is no heavyweight who puts on more pressure than Cain.
Cain Velasquez by TKO, round 4.
"You hear people say, 'You're the greatest,' and all this stuff. It's BS. It's fake, it's all fake. You've just got to keep training as hard as you can. The only thing real is the fight, everything else is fake." - BJ Penn
IF
it goes that far
then yeah i agree brock will fold
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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 7, 2010 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I have no idea how Brock can finish him, outside of a crazy punch. Brock hasn’t really shown damaging ground and pound, except against Mir, who SUCKS off his back.
"You hear people say, 'You're the greatest,' and all this stuff. It's BS. It's fake, it's all fake. You've just got to keep training as hard as you can. The only thing real is the fight, everything else is fake." - BJ Penn
except against Mir, who SUCKS off his back.
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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by Earl Montclair on Sep 7, 2010 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
To be fair
Mir sucks off his back after the 2 minute mark. That’s a very legitimate and defensible statement.
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-Randall Munroe
Other than the Sylvia thing, I can’t think of anything impressive Mir’s done off his back, to a decent fighter.
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TANKABBOTT!!!!!!
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by Earl Montclair on Sep 7, 2010 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
mir’s sub on tank was super sweet
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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 7, 2010 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions
the pete williams sub
was def. impressive and pretty
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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 7, 2010 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions
He also armbarred an ADCC champion off his back (Roberto Travern)
Mir is great off his back offensively, but his defensive guard is atrocious. He spends all his time sub hunting and completely forgets to protect his grille. If you can get control of his hips without getting subbed while doing it, you can smash him with little resistance. Just ask Ian Freeman & Marcio Cruz.
mir sucks off his back?
i don’t like lesnar
but if i’m not mistaken several of mir’s wins have come off his back
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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 7, 2010 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Against what kind of competition?
(if you said “shitty” competition, you’re right)
"You hear people say, 'You're the greatest,' and all this stuff. It's BS. It's fake, it's all fake. You've just got to keep training as hard as you can. The only thing real is the fight, everything else is fake." - BJ Penn
lesnar abbot sylvia pete williams
and there’s more
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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 7, 2010 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions
nah man
he was in the prone position when Carwin KO’d him.
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by Earl Montclair on Sep 7, 2010 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What was dan thinking?
He just crouched down next to the flattened unconscious Mir and watched Carwin punch him like 5 more times.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 7, 2010 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe The Tan One
just wanted to be absolutely sure Brock didn’t make room or Frank to have another hailmary kneebar up his ass when he removed that horseshoe months earlier
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by Earl Montclair on Sep 7, 2010 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions
*for
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by Earl Montclair on Sep 7, 2010 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Whats funny
after the fight Mir thanked him for giving him a chance to recover.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 7, 2010 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Mir was also woozy from getting the back of his head caved in, he could’ve thought Tan Dan was the Space Pope for all we know.
Josh Barnett is a thrice proven juicer with a pro wrestling mindset and a personality that would lead you to believe he's never had a romantic encounter that didn’t start with "you gotta pay me upfront."
Watching that gave me a fucking headache. That was one of the few times I actually got scared for a fighter.
"You hear people say, 'You're the greatest,' and all this stuff. It's BS. It's fake, it's all fake. You've just got to keep training as hard as you can. The only thing real is the fight, everything else is fake." - BJ Penn
He heard Mir was an organ donor
and was looking forward to getting that scalp transplant in case Carwin finished Mir off fatality style.
Josh Barnett is a thrice proven juicer with a pro wrestling mindset and a personality that would lead you to believe he's never had a romantic encounter that didn’t start with "you gotta pay me upfront."
by Fake Emcee on Sep 7, 2010 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Makes sense
It explains why he got so close and stared at Mir’s dome like it was an empty crack pipe.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 7, 2010 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions
More than half of those shots
Were clearly to the back of Mir’s head, including the one that turned the lights out…
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by BigDNotDallas on Sep 8, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
He has taken down who? Frank Mir? A gassed Carwin? And he failed to do ANYTHING on the ground to Couture, and had his takedowns stuffed repeatedly.
Sorry what? People spin the craziest stories about the Couture fight, Lesnar shot once pushed Randy against the cage and then picked him up and put him on his back. Randy did a good job of reversing position, but got tripped on his feet. In the 2nd Randy did stuff a takedown attempt (Lesnar gave up on it almost immediately though). What was impressive about the Couture fight was not Randy’s ability to stuff Lesnar’s takedown, it was the fact he was able to push Brock against the cage and actually control him to an extent.
I’m not saying Brock’s wrestling is unstoppable, and Cain could certainly implement the Couture gameplan much more effectively because of his size but it is in no way a foregone conclusion.
couture’s greco approach seemed to confuse lesnar a bit, but I don’t see cain doing that.
What I think will surprise everyone (especially Cain) is how fast Lesnar is for someone so huge…of course, can has a gas tank like few others, so…
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by BigDNotDallas on Sep 8, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
i still cant get over the fact
that the UFC didn’t go with JDS vs Cain as the contender bout.
Now, if Cain wins, there will be the standard immediate rematch, and then JDS get a shot.
..!..
Why eliminate a title contender?
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by Earl Montclair on Sep 7, 2010 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely right... Joe Silva 101
They wanna keep as many contender options as possible if Brock wins. If they had Cain vs JDS, and JDS lost (for example)… then he can’t have a title shot if Brock beats Cain.
If Brock wins decisively like he did against Herring, Couture, Mir, and (arguably) Carwin, then I don’t see an immediate rematch.
For sure...
I would only do the immediate rematch if it’s a fairly close decision, or debatable/debated like Frankie vs BJ. Or the challenger showed he has much pwnage (4.5 rounds of Chael Sonnen pwnage).
Carwin arguably showed some serious pwnage but only for 1 round, then flopped. I reckon if he beat hard on Lesnar for even 2 rounds before getting submitted, he might have earned a quick rematch (if not the immediate, then perhaps still in line w/o having to do another contender match)
Carwin only showed about 0.8 rounds of ownage.
The last minute of that round consisted of Lesnar escaping from the bottom, standing up, pinning Carwin against the fence, and hitting him with knees until the bell rang.
Oh man, niggas is in here WILIN
Brock Lesnar’s wrestling is now overrated. Hahahaha
/sarcasm
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I know that you’re black and all, but seriously how do you expect people to take you seriously as a writer when you’re posting BS like this? I don’t think its appropriate to use terms that like no matter WHO you are or what you look like, but you’ve been given writing privileges over a major site and you act like a child.
I’ve got big walnuts. Gorilla nuts.
by Austin Martin on Sep 7, 2010 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions
you, sir, are posting in a thread that's worshipping a guy who has a racist slogan tattooed to his chest
but instead of busting everybody else’s balls you decided that this comment is the thing you’re wasting your political correctness card on? :D
Go big red!
Cain’s tattoo is not racist… there’s something called historical relevance. The movement that it comes from is one of solidarity within the farmworker’s movement of the 60’s and overcoming institutionalized assaults on human/civil rights. “White Pride” (the term) comes from a distinctly racist historical background. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with having anglo/white pride or hispanic/latino pride… but in terminology, they’re not the same.
But we digress.
Oh noes!
What will I do? Feets don’t fail me now.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 7, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
who is that girl interviewing and why isn’t she lying naked in my bed?
by the guy with the big nose on Sep 7, 2010 8:30 AM EDT reply actions
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