James Toney accepts Vitor Belfort’s challenge to a boxing match:
"Tell Vitor Belfort let’s make it happen. I like that because he ain’t no scared little b*tch. He wants to come to my world and I’m more than willing to welcome him into my world."
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It took a team of Harvard translators just to translate those two sentences. Most of them took their own lives in the aftermath of the translation. I send my condolence to those families.
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by RobertGBP on Sep 6, 2010 10:53 PM EDT reply actions 8 recs
haha
i love it
rec
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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 6, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
haha you know it
been out travellin the country followin hippie music festivals but i’m back like mother fuckin scoliosis till the next festival
The sea refuses no river. The idea is to remain in a state of constant departure while always arriving. It saves on introductions and goodbyes. The ride does not require explanation - just occupance.
by Johnathan Willis on Sep 6, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
What kind of conspiracys do these hippies bring us?
"Tons of blacks and their big black wrists"-Luke Thomas
conspiracies of peace pot and lsd
The sea refuses no river. The idea is to remain in a state of constant departure while always arriving. It saves on introductions and goodbyes. The ride does not require explanation - just occupance.
by Johnathan Willis on Sep 6, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Going to ACL?
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by Matthew Roth on Sep 6, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
i sure am
then leavin austin to head to camp zoe in missouri for spookstock
The sea refuses no river. The idea is to remain in a state of constant departure while always arriving. It saves on introductions and goodbyes. The ride does not require explanation - just occupance.
by Johnathan Willis on Sep 7, 2010 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
dude
that’s one of the few festivals i’ve not been too
but i will
not this year as today is the last day of the burning man festival this year
so next year it’s def. on
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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 7, 2010 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
nice
Hippie festivals are good times, allows me to be a part-time hippie and just enjoy the vibes for a few days. If you havent been to Bonnaroo, I highly advise it. Even though its in Tennessee, its a 3 night/4 day awesomefest. Its gotten a little more commercialized through the years, but its still the best time ive ever had, except for woodstock ’99. Gathering of the Vibes is always a winner as well.
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Me too
Good stuff. Rec’d :)
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by RearNakedChoker on Sep 6, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Here we go
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by Blue22AMD on Sep 6, 2010 10:54 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Where james toney comes from
They don’t do weight classes they fight to the death.
Vitor by way of Ref stoppage after james toney has a heart attack.
Also i’m from detroit where in the fuck are these death fights.
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by We All Hate Caleb on Sep 6, 2010 10:55 PM EDT reply actions
Absolutely pointless discussion
This will never happen.
You never know...
A couple years ago, I wouldn’t have thought he’d let Toney-Couture happen, either.
no way
If that’s not at about 220 pounds James can’t make the cut
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by Michael Jester Morse on Sep 6, 2010 10:59 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I don't want james toney to go away
He’s like that old neighbor who’s not quite all there.
You just see him and he has a shirt on for pants and all you can say is
Oh you!
"Don't be scared homie!" Mayhem Miller
by We All Hate Caleb on Sep 6, 2010 11:06 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
Won't happen
To be honest though, I would not give Vitor much of a chance against him in a boxing match. Pointless to speculate though.
If Toney never spoke again, it'd be too soon
"Tons of blacks and their big black wrists"-Luke Thomas
am i the only one
who would like to see this happen????
i honestly feel like it’s only fair.
james phony stepped out of his comfort zone to fight a legend under mma rules.
in my opinion it’d only be fair for a mixed martial artist to show the same testicular fortitude and step out of his comfort zone to fight toney.
until it happens the mma vs boxin debate isn’t settled completely imo
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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 6, 2010 11:21 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
That's exactly what I was thinking
Vitor’s got some nice hands, but he ain’t no 15 time boxing champ.
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by RearNakedChoker on Sep 6, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it still would be fun to watch
If Vitor gets tooled, it would be nice to see the big gulf in striking we keep hearing about.
If not, I’d like to see just how far the adage “speed kills” can go. Huge speed advantage vs. huge “sweet science” advantage.
It would also be a good holdover fight if Vitor beats Okami, because Silva won’t be free until spring or summer. Whether he wins or loses against Toney, he’d still be deserving of a title shot.
I would truly
like to see this happen as well. I’d also say this is a circus fight so it should be open weight, fuck it. As pathetic as Toney looked against that single leg heel baby crawl takedown Couture got him in, James could literally tell Vitor what he was going to do to him. Then do it.
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I’m not so sure about that.
I think James could make Vitor look foolish defensively and with counters, but he doesn’t do much in the way of initiating offense. Vitor’s best chance would be to fight a boring fight and make James come to him. Even then, his odds would still be very slim.
Make it an MMA fight
With a gentlemen’s agreement of no takedowns, no submissions, maybe no clinch even.
Or straight kick boxing, maybe without kicks below the waist.
Just to kind of even things out a bit.
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by BigDNotDallas on Sep 7, 2010 1:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
How does that even things out?
Toney did full-on MMA… why can’t full-on boxing take place?
What about
Lil Nog? He has some of the better boxing in MMA and he won gold at the South American Games games in 2006 and bronze in the Pan-Am Games in 2007. I know that is nothing to what Toney has accomplished but if you really want to put someone in there that isn’t going wing punches and has experience in it. I’m grasping for logic concerning a non logical individual.
I’d actually like to see it but it being fair? I don’t think that’s true. Toney talked trash about MMA and followed Dan. I could be wrong but I don’t see a lot of MMA guys going and running their mouths about how they could beat PBF or Pacman in a boxing match.
by seanerk88 on Sep 7, 2010 12:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
vitor is talkin shit about how he could beat toney in a boxin match
which is exactly what toney did about mma fighters
i don’t know who dan is or why toney followed him though
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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 7, 2010 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Lol Dana* obviosly, but if what Vitor said is really talking shit than Toney spewed the worst shit I’ve ever heard and there is no comparison.
by seanerk88 on Sep 7, 2010 1:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
truth
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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 7, 2010 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Fortitude?
There IS a line between bravery and complete stupidity, and you’re basically saying that because James crossed it, we should too?
There's only one thing sacred to Dana right now
And that’s the continued, controlled growth of his very polished product. MMA fighting in the octagon. Thats the name of the game. There is no way he or the people he works with take the risk of changing that product in a significant way by adding a legit boxing match into the system. It will introduce too much difference, unfocus the presentation, possibly confuse a large part of the casual audience, and sully the last 8 years of work ZUFFA has put into making the UFC the premier MMA org in the world.
If this actually happens, I’ll eat my keyboard. But I get to use Cholula.
I think Toney-Couture was a risk to his brand image
It looks smart in hindsight, but what if Toney learned an iota of takedown defense and forced Couture to shoot in a way that left him exposed?
It just might happen.
It was a risk, but one more calculated towards being beneficial.
In the end, it was still an MMA bout, with MMA rules, and without any of the stifling baggage of the boxing world. It may have been one of the most extremely lopsided bouts in recent UC history, but it was still dressed up and presented like every other fight.
To go and do a true boxing match, for me, thats something else entirely.
Yeah, that’s a good point, but I’m thinking that it could even be promoted without the UFC banner but still under Zuffa.
The alternative, as mentioned above, is simply a gentlemen’s agreement to keep it standing, refrain from hitting when breaking out of the clinch, and not use kicks. The gloves will make a huge difference to both defense and offense, but otherwise it should be good enough for Toney.
Isn’t Toney a bit too heavy for a fight with Belfort? And will the UFC even allow this?
I'm a lover not a fighter
Belfort was willing to fight Fedor
He was planning on getting up to 215 on a week or two notice, and fought HW before. He’s a big MW, that’s for sure.
As long as Belfort can fight at heavyweight
It doesn’t matter that Toney weighs 30 or 40 pounds more. The Klitschkos often weigh 40 or 50 pounds more than their challengers. Clearly Toney wouldn’t be able to get below heavyweight, so that would be the only realistic option. Even fat and out of shape, Toney would tear Belfort apart in a boxing match. Belfort’s not a boxer; Toney’s not an MMA fighter. That’s why the debate is stupid: neither style will ever prevail on the other style’s home turf.
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