UFC 119 Preview: Ryan Bader Talks Antonio Rogerio Nogueira - "My Goal Is to Be the Champ"
by Nick Thomas on Sep 6, 2010 2:56 PM EDT
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"It’s a huge step up in competition. Top 5, top 10 guy, but that’s where I want to be. You're not going to progress not fighting those type of guys."
"I have huge amounts of respect for (Antonio Rogerio Nogueira) and his brother, what they’ve done for this sport and and what they’ve done in this sport. It’s a huge opportunity for me and why would I turn that down?"
"I’m not taking anything lightly judging from his last fight (against Jason Brilz ) at all. I just have to create scrambles and definitely use my power and land some shots and keep mixing stuff up."
"If there's anything I take from Lil' Nog is respect. I have to work my ass off in the gym."
"Accolades, everything goes out the window. It’s just you versus your opponent. I want to be the best. My ultimate goal is to be the champ and I have to go through these guys to do that."
-- Full video interview at ufc.com.
Ryan "Darth" Bader (11-0)
Win Keith Jardine - KO (Punch) UFC 110
Win Eric Schafer - Decision (Unanimous) UFC 104
Win Carmelo Marrero - Decision (Unanimous) UFC FN 18
Win Vinny Magalhaes - TKO (Punches) TUF 8 Finale
Antonio Rogerio "Minotoro" Nogueira (19-3)
Win Jason Brilz - Decision (Split) UFC 114
Win Luis Arthur Cane - TKO (Punches) UFC 106
Win Dion Staring - Submission (Triangle Choke) JF 13
Win Vladimir Matyushenko - KO (Knee) Affliction
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bader has never beaten anyone whos still in the UFC
i honestly think hes highly overrated
We have a saying back home that if your coming on, COME ON!!!!
He beat the guys that were put in front of him. If we’re going to use only the quality of competition beaten as the measure of the fighter than you could also say Jon Jones is highly overrated as the guys he’s fought have been fairly comparable to the level of competition that Bader has fought.
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im only using one example as to why i think hes overrated
he also never really impressed me against the people hes fought
and jones is a freak athlete who has faced a way higher level of competition, vera, hammill, bonnar and matyushenko are tough fights for anyone and jones blew right through them
bader however could prove me wrong, hes a great wrestler and nog have shown a hole in his game the way brilz fought against him with his wrestling (i and everyone i know had brilz winning)
We have a saying back home that if your coming on, COME ON!!!!
really Jardine beat JJ best win(Vera) and Bader beat him
JJ has shown awesome throws and elbows thats about it
by P86 on Sep 6, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
He's also dominated opponents who have never been seriously dominated.
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
I'd say Matt Hamill and Brandon Vera are better than Red Schafer and Glass Jaw Jardine.
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
A loss to Matt Hammill?
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by pdl on Sep 6, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
technically
not practically
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
If it were a street fight, yeah. Jones won that.
But he flagrantly broke the rules. It’s like saying Wes Sims beat Frank Mir the first time.
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by pdl on Sep 6, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
He lost because he broke the rules
And he also legally broke Matt Hamill’s shoulder.
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
Kevin Burns knocked out Anthony Johnson
It should’ve been a DQ but hey, it counts as a TKO.
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
That was fucked up reffing though.
Jones lost because he threw multiple, damaging illegal strikes after he couldn’t get the job done legally. Hammill was defending himself well until the illegal strikes, which he had no reason to defend against because he shouldn’t have to.
Just like Wes Simms and Frank Mir. But Simms doesn’t have a goodie two shoes personality so he doesn’t get all his fans saying that he won.
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by pdl on Sep 6, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Hamill broke his shoulder on the throw by Jones
Illegal strikes or not he could not have possibly continued as a direct result of an injured shoulder, not the illegal strikes.
Hamill was defending himself well but there was no way he was going to win that fight.
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
Urijah kept fighting after he broke his hand. Then he broke his other hand and kept fighting.
Forrest beat Tito while his foot was broken. Rich was going to answer the bell after Chuck broke his arm, and was still throwing punches with it. Pat Barry kept coming with a broken hand and foot.
I don’t buy the “whatever, it was over already” excuse. Guys fight through injuries. Jones didn’t win that fight and got frustrated when he couldn’t goad the ref into stopping it prematurely. He was either unprepared or mentally weak, neither of which is a good quality for a fighter to have.
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by pdl on Sep 6, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Whatever man. Hamill had zero chance of winning that fight by himself
And got tossed around like a football. A broken shoulder is a hell of a lot different when you can’t defend a takedown, can’t attempt a submission, and can’t throw a punch.
He learned from it, smashed Vera like no one has ever done (I guess you can say Werdum but that stoppage was iffy) and made Matyushenko look amateurish.
I can’t wait until he faces better competition.
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
Werdum stoppage was more than iffy, it was totally early.
I just hate that people keep acting like the Hammill fight was a win. He looked great physically, but something was wrong between his ears and it lost him the fight. He didn’t lose because of some official bullshit, he threw the fight away mentally. That’s not a win. That’s a huge liability that he needs to take care of.
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by pdl on Sep 6, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
He already took care of it (hopefully)
It’s a young mistake he made and now he’s moved on to bigger and better things.
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
are you talking about Werdum's stoppage against Fedor?
’cause Fedor tapped… how would that be iffy?
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
There was zero chance of Hammill beating Jones at that point
Hammill himself has said so, and that’s good enough for me.
I just wish more people would look at Jones like you do, otherwise he’s going to be -400 or worse against Bader if the rumors are true.
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by BigDNotDallas on Sep 6, 2010 4:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
to be fair the reason Hamil said he couldnt continue
Was his shoulder. Not the elbows. If Jones wouldn’t have broke his shoulder with the throw Hamill wouldn’t have said he couldn’t continue.
by the-gentle-way on Sep 6, 2010 10:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
what it comes down to is
who was the superior fighter for that fight? even though JJ lost, he was, without a doubt, the superior fighter (even though he lost), not always will the best fighter win.
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
Just to play devil's advocate
Should we be calling Chael Sonnen our uncrowned MW champ? Because he was clearly the superior fighter for %99.99999 of that fight.
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I guess so
But he lost in the aspect of MMA in which he is inferior to Silva….and Jeremy Horn….and Forrest Griffin……and Demian Maia…..and….
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
I wouldn't
Jones lost on a technicality, in a real fight, he would have won. Sonnen was being superior, and in a real fight he would have gone to sleep at the end with a broken arm. so I wouldn’t call him the ‘uncrowned’ MW champ.
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
by Orcus on Sep 6, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Can we stop comparing this to “real” fighting. MMA is not real fighting nor really even an approximation of it. What’s to stop Chael from getting that TD then gouging the shit out of Silva’s eyes or choking his neck?
Chael Sonnen: Last time I defeated the myth, this time I'll defeat the man.
So...hyped...
usually I'd agree with that
but in this case it’s just to illustrate that even though Chael was dominant, he lost decisively in something that would harm his body. Jones in the other hand lost by a technicality and nothing that would harm himself, there is the difference to what we were debating.
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
really?
I would say the techniques that work best for mma will work best in a real fight. When you are counting on eye gouging and groin strikes as your only offence you will surely come up short. Gordeau was also the world Savate champion and trainer for UFCfighter Remco Pardoel. He is again remembered for his illegal and intentional eye-gouge of Yuki Nakai in the 1995 Japan Vale Tudo. 1 Nakai went on to beat Gordeau by submission, but lost sight in his right eye from the gouge.
by the-gentle-way on Sep 6, 2010 10:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
that came out wrong
The point was…eye gouging and biting didn’t help Gordeau. He still got submited by Royce when he bit. And subbed by Nakki when he gouged his eye. You should brush up on your mma history homie. Basicly …. if its Krav maga vs. Jiu Jitsu my money is on jits.
by the-gentle-way on Sep 6, 2010 11:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
There is another big difference as well
Hamill was pretty much defenseless but got bailed out by Jones not knowing the rules.
Anderson caught him with a beautiful triangle choke and Chael tapped.
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
Only you could come up with such an idiotic theory
And I have seen your art and your fat ass girlfriends on facebook. So perhaps you could see it as logical.
Things work themselves out
Rumble got jobbed and avenged it with the most violent head kick KO I’ve seen in the UFC since Yves/Thomson.
Jones now knows how to use elbows properly and legal from the ground and inflicted punishment on two guys who have just about never been knocked out.
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
Yeah, in the same way that Yushin Okami beat Anderson Silva.
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
He dominated Hammill, wrecked his shoulder & got carried away finishing a fight that should have been stopped before that.
Its like pre-Werdum Fedor (except Fedor wasn’t dominating him).
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by BigDNotDallas on Sep 6, 2010 4:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That didn't come out right
I’m talking about Fedor’s pre-Werdum loss, not the Werdum fight.
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." -Arthur Schopenhauer
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by BigDNotDallas on Sep 6, 2010 4:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It's nothing like that.
Jones didn’t lose on a technicality. He used high damaging illegal strikes. It’s like Wes Sims stomping Frank Mir. He did something ILLEGAL and he LOST because of it.
And there was no point in that fight that Hammill wasn’t actively defending and protecting himself…
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by pdl on Sep 6, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
This is not a series of damaging illegal strikes
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
I don't understand why you don't understand...
The fight should have already been stopped – Hammill himself said he was beaten before that.
Its not as if the fight was remotely competitive up to the point, Hammill was rag dolled and dominated throughout the fight, and impartial observer can see this for what it was.
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." -Arthur Schopenhauer
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by BigDNotDallas on Sep 6, 2010 5:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I just watched the full fight again
And confirmed at most 2 instances of the 12-to-6, Hamill was already cut from punches and elbows but was defending himself well enough not to have the fight stopped. He was not responding with anything but he was defending himself.
I also contend the throw seconds before the series of punches and elbows was when Hamill broke his shoulder.
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
he should have used 11 to 5 elbows
Because they are legal and less damaging.
P.s. the 12 -6 rule is Fuckin retarded and was made a rule because of a dumb ass that watched a breaking competition. This same person had no trouble allowing Thai plum knees. That generate far more force.
by the-gentle-way on Sep 6, 2010 11:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I definitely agree with you. Matt was blocking a lot of shots, but there was still an onslaught of 25 or so hard punches and elbows that connected solidly, and he was just holding his arms up. The one attempt at hipping out was barely noticeable. It should have been stopped, though obviously Jon was in the wrong, and maybe not confident enough in his submission game to transition to a sub. It was OVER. I keep wondering what would happen if Matt Hamill wasn’t deaf. Usually the ref would be yelling at the fighter to improve and keep working, and after yelling a few times with no improvement would call it. In Hamill’s case the ref can’t give any warnings and has to just step in with no warning. It’s just a more awkward situation there than normal, because you don’t have steps to take as a ref. You either call it or you don’t. You can’t issue commands and get a response with which to judge the fighter’s condition.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Sep 6, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah. I thought about this as well, but how’s he going to see that, when he’s mounted and watching punches rain down, blood in his eyes, etc. Seems like the ref would have to give very specific criteria beforehand, cause there’s really no way you can be sure you’ll be able to communicate with him. It is interesting, and I haven’t heard it discussed.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Sep 6, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Keith Jardine
His career accomplishments are more than both Hamill and Vera IMO.
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Jones is in fact overrated
but I know I’m in the minority (or perhaps not even minority, but one of the few) who thinks this.
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
I think he is overrated
But he is no joke.
People just blow him out of proportions.
He has a very bright future though.
"Don't be scared homie!" Mayhem Miller
by We All Hate Caleb on Sep 6, 2010 3:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
for sure
and he is very young, the future Jones is going to be a beast without a doubt, I just don’t think he’s there yet
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
Perhaps overrated based on ridiculously outsized expectations
Having said that, there is not a LHW in the world who, if a fight were announced tommorrow with Jones, would be any more than -125 IMO.
Shogun, Anderson, Machida would be in that area, anyone else would be +250 – +800 or more.
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." -Arthur Schopenhauer
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by BigDNotDallas on Sep 6, 2010 4:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don’t really believe he’s overrated, just that it’s a rating, not a proven fact. I’d like to see him drop someone with his hands. Shogun and Lyoto may be able to stuff the trips and throws to a degree, or at least get up quickly when taken down, and I don’t know what kind of damage Jones could do to them standing. His kicks and knees are definitely dangerous already, and the reach definitely helps him, but only if his punching power, particularly the jab, improves, would I pick him over Shogun or Machida. I expect that it will, and that he’ll have the belt within a year.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Sep 6, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
my only problem with his striking
It’s that it’s not technical. IMO he’d have a hard time with technically superior strikers that can stay away from the ground. But this is definitely something he can work on to improve, I just think a year is not enough though
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
Sure, I hear you. But I think he’s already shown enough improvement to assume that he’ll be pretty damn tight in a year’s time. Right now, as long as his jab has some real pop on it, I already think he’s going to be difficult for even a good striker to really land a lot on him. He’s always going to look a little awkward just due to his length of limb. I would’ve been interested to see Jon stand with Vera, or Diabate for a bit. It’s hard to gauge his improvements when he’s just throwing guys and pounding them out with no trouble.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Sep 6, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Having dominated legit MMA wrestlers already with his arsenal of takedowns, I can’t see Shogun, who is extremely vulnerable to being taken down, staying on his feet.
Jones would also have 30+ pounds on Machida, Rua or Anderson, and I’m not sure even Machida’s elite clinch work and TDD could over come what Jones brings.
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." -Arthur Schopenhauer
Haters are gonna hate and bitches are gonna bitch...
by BigDNotDallas on Sep 6, 2010 5:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Shogun has shown that he can be taken down… and get back up. Machida has never shown to be easy to be taken down, even by wrestlers…
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
Shogun does have excellent sweeps, and they may serve him well against Rashad and his average top control, but I can’t see him escaping from Jones off his back.
Of course, IIRC, Shogun was a very high level BJJ guy back in the day, although he’s never really shown it much in MMA.
As for Machida, I’ve said for a while he is the guy I think gives Jones the most problems currently at LHW with his elite clinch game and elite TDD.
I literally lol when I hear the “Rampage needs to use his wrestling on Machida”. Rampage, on his best day as a wrestler doesn’t take Machida down – he’s never been taken down in the UFC by a single or double.
Same with those argueing for Rashad in a rematch – he’ll look as silly as Munoz did trying to take Okami down…
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." -Arthur Schopenhauer
Haters are gonna hate and bitches are gonna bitch...
by BigDNotDallas on Sep 6, 2010 9:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Having dominated legit MMA wrestlers already with his arsenal of takedowns, I can’t see Shogun, who is extremely vulnerable to being taken down, staying on his feet.
Jones would also have 30+ pounds on Machida, Rua or Anderson, and I’m not sure even Machida’s elite clinch work and TDD could over come what Jones brings.
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." -Arthur Schopenhauer
Haters are gonna hate and bitches are gonna bitch...
by BigDNotDallas on Sep 6, 2010 5:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I wish
that you remember this comment and IF Bader beats Nog and faces JJ I will bet you 500$ that JON JONES WILL FUCKING SMOKE BADER.
have your pay pal ready.
by silent.bisonte33 on Sep 6, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like jj
But I don’t think he would walk up to Bader and be like “fuck you bra” and spinning elbow him.
Anyways
War lil nog!
Disclaimer. Jj would never say fuck you brah
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by We All Hate Caleb on Sep 6, 2010 3:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
of course not
and i’ve been rooting Bader in all his fights. Jones though…I don’t know. Hopefully it would be a good fight and show if they improved their cardio.
by silent.bisonte33 on Sep 6, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll go one better...
I’ll put up $500 to potentially win $750 for someone to take Bader (or Nog in the unlikely event he wins) against Jones…
Machida is the only fight I wouldn’t bet (against Jones)…that could be a great fight, or very one-sided – for either guy…
Anyone else, my money’s on Jones if he’s not such a huge favorite as to make it a bad risk/reward bet…
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." -Arthur Schopenhauer
Haters are gonna hate and bitches are gonna bitch...
by BigDNotDallas on Sep 6, 2010 4:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
people are real quiet
when you ask them to put their money where their mouths (or keyboards) are.
by silent.bisonte33 on Sep 6, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
lol...right!
At this point in their respective careers, I’d only consider GSP as a slightly more sure thing than Jones.
Just sucks we won’t ever get any better odds on JBJ, even against guys “ranked” higher than him.
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." -Arthur Schopenhauer
Haters are gonna hate and bitches are gonna bitch...
by BigDNotDallas on Sep 6, 2010 5:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I really hope Lil Nog takes this. I have my doubts, but I’ll be rooting for Rogerio regardless.
by devious1 on Sep 6, 2010 3:36 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I don’t particularly like Bader, he seems kinda douchey and is a bit overhyped from being TUF winner IMO. He’s obviously a good fighter, but he hasn’t yet impressed me to the level where I see him as a future titleholder. He has great wrestling and packs KO power, but his stand-up technique is not good and his cardio is questionable. I think I’ll be slightly rooting for Lil Nog here, just hope he looks better than in Brilz fight.
dude
you’re far off. i have met Bader twice and he is far from ‘douchey.’ if anything, he’s one of the more grounded UFC fighters. his hands are like dynamite and although his overall body of work has been untested, he has the makings of a champion. and his “cardio” being questionable? how so?
Okay, I’m sure he’s a nice guy and everything, there’s just something about him that rubs me the wrong way. I’m not really sure why, come to think of it.. anyway, about the cardio thing, I think he’s showed some signs of slowing down in the last round, Schafer fight comes to mind. Someone pointed out to me that he had a knee injury prior to that though, which could have contributed.
by Horselover Fat on Sep 6, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Scrolling up and seeing that picture reminded me of one reason, he has a stupid haircut.
by Horselover Fat on Sep 6, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
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