Junior dos Santos's Coach Says Junior Will Be Champion - "The Time Has Come"
by Nick Thomas on Sep 6, 2010 11:25 AM EDT
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"(Junior dos Santos's) expecting to see who he’ll confront (after UFC 121) because they’re two great athletes, the fight would be tough against any of them… I always say: (Junior's) constantly evolving, so you’ll see him a lot better than before, with willingness, personality, a real warrior… He knows that it’ll be worth the title and he’ll do everything in his power in order to win this. After this fight, he’ll be the champion."
"It’ll be a very tough fight, Cain (Velasquez) does his game and it’s pretty efficient, and Brock Lesnar is very strong, dangerous… I can’t say much now, it’ll be a tough fight and let’s see who is the best fighter in there."
"(Junior dos Santos) deserves all of this because of everything he’s been doing. He’s only had tough (fights) on his way, but there’s no easy (fights in the) UFC. He’s been tested several times and now I think the time has come. He showed his abilities while standing up, he proved himself to be very strong. Six fights, six critical wins."
-- Junior dos Santos, boxing coach, Luis Dorea talks to tatame.com.
Junior "Cigano" dos Santos (12-1)
Win Roy Nelson - Decision (Unanimous) UFC 117
Win Gabriel Gonzaga - TKO (Punches) UFC Versus 1
Win Gilbert Yvel - TKO (Punches) UFC 108
Win Mirko Filipovic - Submission (Punch) UFC 103
Win Stefan Struve - TKO (Punches) UFC 95
Win Fabricio Werdum - TKO (Punches) UFC 90
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I agree
Super Bowl weekend will be less than perfect for Brock or Cain.
That is a very impressive win list. The only thing missing is a high caliber wrestler or two. His camp claims that he is hard to get down, and hold down, but Houston Alexander once claimed something similar. We shall see.
Did you see the size of that chicken?
Well, given that he stood up on Gonzaga like nothing
I think they are on to something. So I don’t think it’s fair to compare him to Houston, as he has already displayed he is competent on the ground.
Now whether he is competent enough to Handle Cain or Brock is a different story. I think he is.
Standing up on Gonzaga =/= standing up on an elite wrestler
I like JDS, a lot, and greatly enjoy watching him fight, but when Lesnar puts him on his back he will not be getting back up.
Should Cain win, the same goes. Cain is a better pure wrestler IMO than Brock, but probably can’t match his top control in MMA. Having said that, Cain should have little problem keeping him down either, although JDS certainly appears considerably stronger than Cain…then again, so did many of his NCAA opponents he took out, so take it FWIW…
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by BigDNotDallas on Sep 6, 2010 12:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, I agree.
My point is really that Houston was not an apt comparison as he proved to be a pure novice on the ground. From that exchange we can surmise that JDS is much more adept at the ground game.
In no way do I see JDS winning on the ground. I think if he does take the fight against either of them it will be only if he can finish or severely injure them in the first 2 rounds. The later the fights go, the less I like his chances. At the very least, he has a better chance then most with his striking.
That's true
I am no expert on boxing, but it seems he has shown some lapses in his striking defense. Of course, Lesnar showed huge holes (and considerable regression IMO) in his striking, and I suspect JDS wins a stand-up battle with Cain if he is so foolish as to engage him.
Carwin, gaping holes he has in his stand-up game not withstanding, might be the only one who could exploit JDS’ striking defensive holes…so long as its in the 1st round…
Of course, Gonzaga rocked Carwin, and JDS appears to be more powerful by far, so Shane could get KTFO…
Good times in HW, even if it get really shallow really quickly after the top guys.
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by BigDNotDallas on Sep 6, 2010 12:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Maybe if he was in Strikeforce.
Lesnar is going to keep the title. Sorry haters.
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by ANance on Sep 6, 2010 11:39 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
LOL!
Guess you missed Brock running scared from Shane’s punches. Let’s just say JDS has a much better gas tank than Shane.
by William Wilson on Sep 6, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
So does Lance Armstrong but neither of those guys is avoiding getting taken down and pounded by Lesnar.
" Real talk - A gorilla would shit kick Brock." – ElliotMatheny
Did you really just compare Roy Nelson to Brock Lesnar?
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by Worldisart on Sep 6, 2010 11:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Wow
You just compared Lesnar’s wrasslin to Nelson’s. Shows what you know.
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by ANance on Sep 6, 2010 11:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Okay...
how about Brock’s amazing takedown of Shane in round 1?
by William Wilson on Sep 6, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
O now are you comparing Carwin’s takedown D against JDS’? Wow man, I bet Sherdog misses your contributions.
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by ANance on Sep 6, 2010 12:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
O now are you comparing Carwin’s takedown D against JDS’? Wow man, I bet Sherdog misses your contributions.
Be a man, not a child-Phil Anselmo
by ANance on Sep 6, 2010 12:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Comparing Roy's takedown to Brock's?
Walking the line between intelligence and ignorance since 1985
@deowade
by Damon O. on Sep 6, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
I shall rec any picture with a cat in a tie
by dreamers_12345 on Sep 6, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
OH REALLY?
Apparently he stole the other cats tie.
by Horselover Fat on Sep 6, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
And JDS probably doesn’t hit as hard as Carwin. Brock sure didn’t look scared with his hand raised in victory at the end of that fight. When this fight hits the ground, and it will, Lesnar will make quick work of JDS.
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by ANance on Sep 6, 2010 11:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You man crush is terrifying
I find more entertainment in Carwin’s loss than Brock’s win. Let me know which other UFC champs run from punches and then turtles up in fear. He can keep winning and I wouldn’t care because Brock’s fights are hilarious. Looking forward to more of Brock’s track meets in the future!
by William Wilson on Sep 6, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Trollin’, trollin’, trollin’…
"If the commission would sanction it and Dana would move, I’d fighter Anderson right now."
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by Worldisart on Sep 6, 2010 12:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not the requisite...
“haters gonna hate” reply? Bravo!
by William Wilson on Sep 6, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Your brand of “debate” may fly on the Sherdog forums, but you ain’t fooling anyone here. Come back when you can have a real conversation with the adults.
"If the commission would sanction it and Dana would move, I’d fighter Anderson right now."
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by Worldisart on Sep 6, 2010 12:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
LOL!
Says a guy who posted “Trollin’, trollin’, trollin’…” to my points about Brock running from punches. Yeah, you sure are a master debater.
by William Wilson on Sep 6, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
When you start telling people their opinions are the product of a man crush, you deserve to be responded to like a troll. Like I said, when you’re ready to have a real debate without lobbing insults come back, but you devalue whatever point you might be trying to make by responding to opposing opinions like a 14 year old.
"If the commission would sanction it and Dana would move, I’d fighter Anderson right now."
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What else am I supposed to say...
when a guy won’t admit that his hero looked like crap for a round? If bias won’t allow reality in, then it is obviously some sort of man crush factor going on here.
Regardless, I appreciate your post and your stern rules regarding debate. Keep enforcing on the internet(s)!
by William Wilson on Sep 6, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
i like BE
but when i just logged on i got a warning and in " for telling a member not to “come at me like that” lol. if i recall the member of BE starting cussing and downgrading my opinons in the lil debate 1st and I get the warning? u have better sent the other guy a warning as well.
No one on here will try to tell you that Brock was rocked, and absolutly lost round 1 to Carwin. But who would want to stand infront of Carwin and get punched? Thats like calling Chael Sonnen less of a fighter cause he was trying to take down Anderson throughout their fight, instead of standing infront of his punches… It doesn’t make sence
And Worldisart is an expert on the proper way to write an opinion
Just ask him. And the proper use of the term troll, and the proper use of the term “man crush” etc, ect. In fact, if you ask him, he knows how everything should be done, and he doesn’t like it if anyone does anything outside of his ideal.
Anyone that would like to know the reason for this fascist behavior just check out his website and his idea of “Art”. That explains it all!
Just for those wondering why SimplePsych is so riled up, he’s upset that I dare call him out on his stupid allegations that James Toney vs. Randy Couture was a fixed fight. He’ll deny it of course but there are several posters around here who will verify that these are claims he made.
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That wasn't him, dude.
It was an imitator. Sounded like he had a hispanic typing accent.
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by pdl on Sep 6, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Lol
Classic!
"If the commission would sanction it and Dana would move, I’d fighter Anderson right now."
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Well, accounts do get hacked
I am sure that Worldisart will claim that someone hacked his facebook account when he gets an honest review of the art displayed there!
I’m truly and sincerely sorry that you’re upset you can’t say stupid shit without being called out on it.
Now kindly fuck off.
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Hey weenie, don't give it if you can't take it
And I am still waiting for you to post the link to the comment you keep referring. I have one that you posted that all the commentors on BE are idiots, shall I post it for everyone to see?.
As you can see, just like your art, nobody is buying your garbage or your idea that you have any real power. I’m certain this mirrors your life.How does it feel to be pathetic?
“Just read on another site and I wont mention which one. But there are reports/ rumors coming in that say the reason that Toney got so much $$ is because he is not planning to win. In other words, a work seems to be in progress.”
In the comments of this article
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/8/27/1654772/ufc-118-edgar-vs-penn-2-randy#45378593
You would go on to debate the validity of the claim and never provide evidence. You can say whatever you want about me, but I don’t straight up LIE about the things I say. So take your bullshit elsewhere.
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Wow, the delusions you have are serious sir
But still, you lie
If your making accusations of infinite measure and accountability with this illusion of power syndrome your suffering from. Then do you have evidence that what I read on another site is not true?. Just because I did not post evidence does not mean that what I read was not true. That is the definition of a lie sir, I did not lie and I will post the initial information if you wish. Keep in mind though that this will destroy your entire fake image you have going here, on BE with these few hundred readers.
I'm done with you
You’re an idiot, a troll and a fool if you’re seriously going to stick to this phantom story that that fight was a work. You deserve all the ridicule you get.
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You sir, should maybe take up watching women’s ice skating since you obviously have no clue about anything related to MMA. Good day hater.
Be a man, not a child-Phil Anselmo
by ANance on Sep 6, 2010 12:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ah yes...
I imagine in your world that Brock didn’t run from punches and curl up like a baby. And congrats on finally using “hater” in a reply. Very original!
by William Wilson on Sep 6, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
“Let me know which other UFC champs run from punches and then turtles up in fear.”
As much as I hate to say it I seem to remember GSP doing it, the only difference is Brock actually won his fight.
by ufc4 on Sep 6, 2010 4:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You don't need to hit harder
when your punches are thrown that much better. JDS has far better boxing then Carwin.
Gonna be hard to box from his back.
Be a man, not a child-Phil Anselmo
by ANance on Sep 6, 2010 12:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i disagree
JDS hasn’t beaten anyone championship caliber, except werdum. he decisioned big country and took out an overhyped gonzaga (who lost TWICE to werdum via PUNCHES!). i don’t like his odds.
between cain and lesnar though, i’m taking cain. he’s got great wrestling credentials, to at least stave off the brocklesnar, with the hands to back it up. 7 of 8 wins via punches. boom.
everything dana white says is a complete lie
JDS has fought some tough guys
And he might well have been a dominant champ…before 2009.
In the era of elite MMA Wrestlers however, he has the “puncher’s chance” before he gets taken down and that’s about it.
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by BigDNotDallas on Sep 6, 2010 12:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
JDS is a beast but
I think he would get beat by Brock or Cain. Judging by the fact he couldn’t finish Big country, I see no way for him to beat them. I think they would put him on his ass before he knew what hit him.
I'm gonna give you three seconds; exactly three-fucking-seconds to wipe that stupid looking grin off your face or I will gouge out your eyeballs and skull-fuck you!
In all fairness
Who all has finished Nelson? Arlovski, as far as he has fallen, the man has some very sharp boxing. I don’t have Dos Santos Favored to be eaither man, but I’m not counting him out based on him not finishing someone who is notoriously hard to finish.
I think finishes are overvalued
But I think the point he’s trying to make is that JDS will probably have to finish Brock or Cain to win as their strong top games will make it hard to out point them to a decision.
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I see. I can agree, if he can’t hurt them before they put him on his back he is in trouble. I do do think he has the tools, specifically for Lesnar. I think he would have some of the fastest hands Lesnar has faced, with power to boot. Once again, while I don’t have him favored in either match up, I do think he has a real chance.
I’m not saying he couldn’t win because he very well could. I’m just saying that it seems highly unlikely. Unless he could tag them and put them down before they get ahold of him, I think he would be in for a bad night.
I'm gonna give you three seconds; exactly three-fucking-seconds to wipe that stupid looking grin off your face or I will gouge out your eyeballs and skull-fuck you!
You could just as easily say judging by the way he folded Werdum, that he would drop Cain. Afterall, Kongo dropped Cain.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 6, 2010 12:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Dos Santos vs. Carwin should be a fight that happens before one of them falls from grace.
Did you see the size of that chicken?
Maybe Im wrong
but with the whole juice issue hasn’t Carwin already kinda fallen from grace?
I'm gonna give you three seconds; exactly three-fucking-seconds to wipe that stupid looking grin off your face or I will gouge out your eyeballs and skull-fuck you!
cain vs brock
cain has a legit shot. he might have a much better shot than carwin. but what will happen if brock beats cain? lol all the haters of brock keep comming up with excuses against his wins. o he was running scared, and? his hand was raised was it not? now every1 is hoping cain wins, and he does have a legit shot, but if brock wins, im interested to see what the haters have to say bc they are comical. JDS can not beat brock. he couldnt KO roy. No way he KO’s brock. also every1 is like o man roy could TD JDS how can brock. lol once again comical.
Brock has ZERO striking defense
We saw it at UFC 100, where Mir had a free shot but was too f***ed up from the first round to connect. We saw it at UFC 116 when Carwin’s unrefined (but powerful) striking connected with ease. Carwin gave that win to him when he gassed and was in a state that even a washed out Nog could finish.
Velasquez is a small HW, and Brock could possibly use his size on Cain. That bout is 50/50, IMO. If Brock gets by Cain, though, JDS will destroy him. I know JDS is the same weight as Cain, but his frame is entirely different.
JDS vs Cain is a different matter, though. Assuming Cain doesn’t have the same gaping hole in his striking (it was there against Kongo, but he’s transformed since then), the matchup is entirely different.
I’m a big fan of JDS, he’s really out there destroying people and he seems like a good guy. It does worry me though that he gets hit a little too easy, his defense is not the best and that might catch up to him. Also we don’t know much about his ground yet.. either way, I hope he’s working diligently on takedown defense, getting up from the ground, and to improve his defensive boxing. It will be a great fight with whoever is the champion by then, glad to see JDS get his shot. Three awesome and epic UFC HW title fights in a row.. who’da thunk it?
Does anyone honestly care
What the coaches have to think? Do they ever think that their fighter is going to loose? Its a damn joke.
Well sometimes they give you some more information than just “I think he’ll win”.. about, you know, training and stuff, which can be interesting.
Pudzianowskis boxing coach telling the media that his striking sucked was funny though.
by Horselover Fat on Sep 6, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
yea pudz coach is the exception though
and a totally hilarious exception
We have a saying back home that if your coming on, COME ON!!!!
It was totally awesome. Funny and true
by Horselover Fat on Sep 6, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Cain can beat Brock, but I've been on JDS's nuts for a year, so...
"I talked about retirement a little bit, but told them I'd be the same ol' grumpy, pissed off guy." --Bobby Cox
He's basically a super hero
"I talked about retirement a little bit, but told them I'd be the same ol' grumpy, pissed off guy." --Bobby Cox
I remember when the video of him hitting the mits before the Werdum fight supposedly moved the fightlines
we each must become like fishermen, and go out on to the dark ocean of mind, and let your nets down into that sea
by Barack Lesnar on Sep 6, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
His wrestling may not keep from hitting the mat(against brock and cain) But alot of people forget he is Big Nog’s protege. After training with Nog for a few years I believe he will be able to beat any top level wrestlers in a 5 round fight.
PS.
his striking is just way to sick it’s like Nick Diaz with Power!
by mr. gogoplata on Sep 6, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Ummm...
What happened to the other threads on here? Did someone get out of line?
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." -Arthur Schopenhauer
Haters are gonna hate and bitches are gonna bitch...
by BigDNotDallas on Sep 6, 2010 7:44 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
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