Will the UFC Sink or Swim in Chinese Waters?
One of the significant bits of news to be revealed in the aftermath of UFC 118 last weekend was the push by the UFC to enter the Chinese market. Not only did they once again reinforce their stance that they want to tap into one of the biggest consumer markets in the world with their brand of extreme fighting, but they announced the hiring of Mark Fischer, a former executive of the National Basketball Association:
The fight organizer and promoter for the form of sports-combat called mixed martial arts announced that it would be setting up a foothold in Asia. The company didn’t specify where it would set up shop, but its new chief in Asia is Mark Fischer, a former exec with the National Basketball Association Inc., who lives in Beijing.
As part of its sop to Chinese audiences, the UFC is also touting the addition of an Inner Mongolian lightweight bruiser named Zhang Tiequan to a televised bout through its sister organization, World Extreme Cagefighting. The group said it will also leverage its existing ties with the China National Wushu Federation to drum up support and talent.
Some media members believe China will be a tough nut to crack due to the cultural barrier and the fact that Japan has historically been a difficult market to enter because of those differences between Western culture and their own. But the UFC may have a leg up over any of the other major mainstream sports in that mixed martial arts identifies with the people of China due to being the birthplace of many forms of martial arts.
Furthermore, Fischer seems to be the best qualified man for the job, having helped the NBA become a billion dollar entity in China by signing huge sponsorship deals for the sport. While the NBA has found success overseas, other sports like NASCAR and the NFL have found little interest. Most sports have only recently made strides to break into the market, and that presents an unique situation for the UFC. They are on even ground with some of the largest sports in North America in this new market, and their brand of action could be exactly the type of entertainment that could flourish over baseball, football, and racing.
Historically, China has been a hub of combat sports in Asia for quite some time, although not as well-known as Japan and Korea. Boxing has been around since the 1920's, but only in a local capacity. The Communist Party banned it during the country's revolution in the 60's, but it returned when Chinese leaders realized that competition may be a way in which the Chinese could earn worldwide respect.
They've only recently found success in boxing as Zou Shiming won a gold medal at the 2008 Beijing Olympics, and he also won the 2005 Amateur Boxing championships along with a bronze medal at the 2004 Summer Olympics in Athens. Wushu, Taekwondo, and other martial arts are also big in China, and those combat sports will act a feeder system for the sport. There is some concern, however, that the UFC will be too brutal for the normal fans of those sports, but that type of deterrence has been prevalent in almost any new market. Germany, England, and Australia provided some backlash when the UFC arrived there, and even Japan and the United States had similar movements against the sport in their infancy as well.
With a history of combat sports that fall along the lines of traditional mixed martial arts, it's hard not to take a crack at an untapped market like China. Boxing is taking off in the country due to Shiming's success, and Wushu and Taekwondo should provide some interest in mixed martial arts right off the bat. Regional promotions have already been operating for a few years in the region as well, and that should drum up more interest along with providing a feeder system for the UFC to build off of.
Like any new market however, talent and skill will be at a minimum for quite some time. The WEC recently announced the signing of lightweight fighter Tie Quan "The Mongolian Wolf" Zhang, an undefeated fighter out of Beijing, China. While this is an obvious first step in getting some attention cast on a Chinese fighter in a new market, it isn't exactly going to be an easy ride for the fighters in the infant era of Chinese mixed martial arts. Perhaps, Chinese 120kg Greco-Roman Olympian Liu Deli could be lured away from Sengoku and become a legitimate heavyweight challenger, but I wouldn't hold out hope on that happening.
The biggest worry, however, is the lack of success in China by regional promotions. While I'm sure the UFC will argue that the quality of their show is miles ahead of any regional promotion in China, I find it hard to ignore the fact that Art of War has a tough time filling arenas even when tickets are free. If they can't sell tickets, how does one expect them to sell pay-per-views? Advertising will certainly help spread the word to centers like Beijing and Shanghai, but can the sport attract enough fans to turn a profit or will the region serve as a money pit?
The next few years should be very interesting for the UFC. While they've undoubtedly enjoyed success in North America, China is a region that they will need to tread lightly. The UFC doesn't want to overextend themselves and pour money into a market that just isn't catching on, but they've taken the steps to ensure the optimal exposure of their brand. The Ultimate Fighter reality show will provide a means to not only gaining talent, but gaining interest as well. Whether or not it'll take off like it did in the United States remains to be seen, but I have an inclination that it's going to be very tough to rake in the millions of dollars they make in North America without a few breakout stars who are good enough to compete with fighters here.
The UFC will also need to provide enough reward for fighters to out pace the pay that Sanda fighters are currently making in the country. If they can provide a better way to make money for those fighters, we'll see a steady transition of those fighters into MMA in the country. That should begin to bring those combative sports sponsors over as well.
Can the UFC swim in Chinese waters? My gut says no, but there is some optimism here. They'll likely have to spend quite a bit of money to get the sport some interest from businesses in the region, and they'll have to spend the money to pay fighters more than what Sanda is currently giving fighters now. But I don't think those are huge obstacles. I do, however, think that's the major key to the puzzle. With Sanda losing fighters and being unable to keep up with the UFC's pay scale, it should act as a catalyst to bigger and better things. Whether or not the fans will be there when that time comes is the ultimate question.
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okay, here's something i don't get about the UFC's move to china
granted, it’s a big country with a lot of people. most of them, however, are dirt poor. there’s no way they will be able to pay 50$ for a PPV. let alone go to the event itself.
GDP per capita of china: $6,600 (2009 est.)
GDP per capita of germany: $34,100 (2009 est.)
GDP per capita of canada: $38,200 (2009 est.)
GDP per capita of the US: $46,000 (2009 est.)
Go big red!
Good point but I think the number of people in China makes those average values not so all important. Even if the size of the middle class is a relatively small percentage of the country, there are plenty of people to make a market. Also, they probably couldn’t charge the same rate for a PPV and they would make a ton on merchandise.
Korea and Taiwan might be better options as they have GDP per capita to compare with the figures you listed.
Korea also has some stars already established in MMA which is probably required. China had Yao and a few other performers to pull in the Chinese market.
A lot of subscription models for gaming in China relies on internet cafe, time passes, etc maybe they can make some kind of a theater membership system for people to go see the fights and pay a small fee every month or something like that.
That would be my approach, then again I don’t know what kind of price theater tickets usually go for in China.
pornflake you kinda dumb son
I like the article, and everyone’s comments are very good cept yours, sorry, maybe the UFC and NBA should hire you instead for their global expansion plans, looks like you know about as much of the world economy as I do
What is Sanda?
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by Horselover Fat on Sep 4, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The UFC doesn't sell a single PPV in the UK
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 4, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
The exploding middle class
In the next 10-15 years China will see 300-500 million people move into the so called middle-class and that GDP will increase exponentially. Everyone wants into the Chinese market now because they are going to be THE economic powerhouse of the 21st century.
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by Worldisart on Sep 4, 2010 4:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No problem
It’s pretty crazy, their middle class will be bigger than the entire American population.
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Maybe...
there is a tipping point coming in China where that burgeoning middle class is going to really test the political realities of that country. It could go several ways, one of which is backwards for that coming middle class.
I like Fedor, it’s just his fans that are intolerable...and his management.
I seriously doubt they will go with a PPV model in the first place, since the U.S. and Canada are the only major markets I’m aware of where that has caught on. I would think they would be hoping to try and get a good tv deal. The movie theater model also seems like an excellent suggestion.
Furthermore even if they did do PPVs, there is no way in hell they would price-point them at $50 per PPV (50 yuan would be more realistic, or about $7.35). I’m sure Zuffa is fully aware of China’s GDP-per-capita (both nominal and PPP-adjusted), the size of their emerging middle class, and also the fact that piracy is downright ubiquitous.
I’m actually a little perplexed why they are making such a heavy push into China. Does having a Chinese fighter or two under contract mean they can get a better television deal? Probably, but running live events there seems like a waste, financially. Even if Zuffa was running live events every week, the live-gate in Beijing won’t be better than it would be in a number of other places that they aren’t going to that don’t have as many obstacles, like Seoul. If they’re just trying to get MMA in general to take root in China though, more power to them.
I always wondered what the hell happened to Liu Deli after he appeared in Sengoku.
No news about his development as a fighter at all.
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Two Thoughts-
-Many Chinese people can very nationalistic so if a Chinese fighter were to lose early on, especially in a brutal loss, I could definitely see this turning off a lot of potential Chinese fans. I could see UFC matchmakers trying to build/prop up some Chinese prospects by feeding them some easy wins to help build their Chinese audience.
-Just an alternative thought, but the UFC might actually do better marketing their product as a high end Western Import, while making minor adjustments to tailor to Chinese tastes. Starbucks has done solid business and has come to be seen as a sort of status symbol or place to be seen in China. Other business have done better overall in integrating to China but Starbucks has captured the market on young professionals with growing incomes. Getting this crowd to buy-in to the UFC as a similar status symbol could get them a solid niche market. Imagine if douchey mma shirts caught on in a same or bigger way as they did in the states, something especially possible with a huge young male population trying to impress the smaller female population.
I could see UFC matchmakers trying to build/prop up some Chinese prospects by feeding them some easy wins to help build their Chinese audience.
It might be wise to avoid crossover between the up and coming Chinese fighters the current UFC roster. Trying to build UFC China as a separate entity for at least the first handful of years might be wise.
That might be wise.
Couple that with some sort of mass media broadcast and they could expedite the growth process.
I don’t know how viable a reality show would be in China or any other television show for that matter, but Dana has stated repeatedly that he would rather go that route. Even if it isn’t big there, in the business realm, the UFC brand carries weight as a money maker. I am sure they could leverage the name into some sort of TV deal.
Even if they are making very little off the show, the UFC is getting paid to air a commercial. That isn’t a terrible place to start.
I just hope China doesn’t lose interest when all of their current fighters get worked.
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Zhang is going to get worked for sure… although I don’t know if Karalexis is the man to do it. Mongolian wrestling is probably not at the level of North American wrestling though, so… I guess we’ll see what happens.
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by Leland Roling on Sep 4, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Mongolian wrestling is probably not at the level of North American wrestling
Don’t be so quick to judge. Gono just got his ass handed to him by a Mongolian wrestler (SRC 14). Wrestling of any sort is a great base for MMA and the different style may be cause for concern for anyone.
If they really wanted to
they could set up a nice run for Zhang. Feed him a can or two and then throw him in with some big names that are past their prime. Gabe Ruediger did not look impressive at all his last fight but was a WEC champ at one point. Jens Pulver could definitely go for the paycheck, but despite his recent string of losses would still be a dangerous opponent. And after Sherk’s next fight, we can see just how gone his knees really are. If its bad, Zhang could have a shot at beating a T-Rex boxing only Sherk. If the UFC really wanted to try and create their first Chinese superstar, having a fighter with wins over a former champ, a former champ and legend of the sport, and a former champ and currently ranked fighter would be the way to do it.
On the other hand this isn’t the UFC’s style at all, and you don’t have to go through too many other promotions to see the problems with putting all your eggs in one basket.
I agree. Where is the plan B if tie quan ends up being the chinese mike bisping?
by destructivist on Sep 4, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
So far we're stilling waiting...
on the Plan B for the British version of Michael Bisping.
I like Fedor, it’s just his fans that are intolerable...and his management.
Zuffa would jizz in their pants in he wound being as good as Bisping. For all his faults, he does have some really nice skills. Excellent guard work, above average standup, solid athleticism, and vicious ground and pound.
I enjoy mocking the cocky bastard as much as anyone, but Bisping is no joke. He destroys B-level competition and has been competitive with all of his A-level competition save Hendo. Mike Bisping is a handful for anybody.
Except...
Almost all divisions have top flight wrestlers at the top. He could definitely progress however, not saying he can’t beat guys like Karalexis.
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by Leland Roling on Sep 4, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Mongolian Wrestling, or Khapsagay, is really closer to Sumo with a bit of Judo than amateur wrestling or sambo. It’s not that great a base honestly. Anyway Zhang Tie Quan was a champion at Mongolian Wrestling, but he also has a base in Sanshou and is a purple belt in BJJ. Similarly Jadamba Naratungulag has a base in Mongolian Wrestling but also has a base in Kyoukushin Karate (so does GSP btw) and Judo. By itself, Khapsagay isn’t really that great a base. I imagine it helps in the clinch but otherwise has very limited applications, and Judo is probably better for the clinch.
I thought that guy was a sanda fighter with a purple belt in BJJ?
by destructivist on Sep 4, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
He is, but he’s a very accomplished Mongolian wrestler as well.
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by Leland Roling on Sep 4, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Kung Fu vs. Wrestling
They need to make some interesting style matchups that will help capture the imaginations of the Chinese.
Sanda is going to go against almost every style imaginable if the UFC heads there… so that’ll be interesting at least.
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by Leland Roling on Sep 4, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
This would definitely go against the "best competitors in the world" motto of the UFC
but they could feed a HW/LHW prospect a few easy wins with James Toney’s 2nd fight, and hire back Mark Coleman and Kimbo Slice.
Having some knowledge of the cultural differences
between China and the US, the only way I really see the UFC in china working for any long stretch of time is too literally create a ufc promotion with ONLY chinese fighters for the first few years. The chinese will have little to no interest in the existing stable of UFC fighters, and if they see their countrymen being handled by them, reactions will turn from apathetic to negative. Their may be a slight interest in the best of the best, but no prolonged and sustainable interest.
The UFC will need to build slowly and take the long view, incrementally growing their reach by using only local chinese fighters for the actual fights while introducing them to the rest of the UFC fighters through ads, promos, clips, etc. Spend a good two years with Chinese only, then start bringing in beatable journeymen who aren’t complete cans. The fights need to be legit, but winnable by the chinese fighters for the chinese audience to get behind the sport. Once a solid base has been built for 3/4 years, then start merging the fighters.
Test the waters first one or two fights of top chinese fighters versus gatekeepers from UFC. If one of the Chinese fighters loses, get substantial polling information and trending information to see how it has effected viewership. From there, the strategies dealing with various outcomes explodes and there is no way to speculatively make a plan right now.
Couple of thoughts just based on my time spent in China and Korea
1. There is a middle class but it didn’t seem like there was expendable income. The wealthy are extremely wealthy and the poor are extremely poor. Ticket sales will have to be focused on the wealthy who want to see something new from the West.
2. There isn’t a hatred for things from the west as far as I could tell.
3. I think the international expansion would be better suited to try and focus on South Korea before China as it is far more americanized and there is a legitimate interest in Western culture. The fact that there is a major military base outside of Seoul means you have an audience already there even if ticket sales are slow.
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GSP is coming to Manila this month,
and they are HEAVILY advertizing it. And I mean Roy Nelson heavy… They’re also starting a UFC Philippines Magazine. Plus, Zhang Tie Quan will be the first URCC champ to fight for Zuffa.
I really fucking hope that all this means that the UFC could come here soon.
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 4, 2010 3:53 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
What is he doing in Manila? Just random press or something else?
by destructivist on Sep 4, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Spreading the Riddum.
I like Fedor, it’s just his fans that are intolerable...and his management.
by Razreshat on Sep 4, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He'll probably have an open workout,
Q&A, sign autographs, talk to the press. That sort of thing, but people will surely go gaga over GSP that they are treating it like a major event held in a huge venue. It’s the same place where foreign bands usually have their concerts.
Chuck liddell drew 4000+ people on short notice on a simple open workout that wasn’t even advertized, and this GSP event is most likely going to be much much bigger. If they still think Filipinos arent crazy about the UFC after this, I don’t know what will.
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 4, 2010 9:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Picking up Brandon Vera's slack.
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 5, 2010 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
China is one of the places you have to try if you're a global business
You don’t wanna get caught with ur pants down by not putting forth an effort to reach a billion ppl. They won’t start ahem a revolution because of all of the barriers, but the point is to slowly educate both themselves and the market.
It’s not about sink or swim. They parked a fishing boat and checking the scene around the port.
just got back from China and Vietnam and learned that...
they want quality Western entertainment and products. don’t water it down by given them second rate options. i can’t tell you how many executives told me that the mistake the west does with China is looking at those per capita stats and try to through cheap-ass shit at their consumers and they fail. but once they give them the option of the top of the line products they gobble it up. the reason is, for the first time in years people have money to spend and their economy is getting better and better each year, so they are very confident they can keep spending and tomorrow will be even a brighter day. the tuf idea with chinese fighters is a good idea from an exposure standpoint. if a chinese fighter loses they won’t bail on the sport, look at how yao ming has done, zero rings and always hurt but if you walk around beijing you’ll see more kobe and lebron jerseys than yao. and for some weird reason baron davis is big there. but there is a legitimate concern that their housing bubble could pop soon which could have terrible effects of the economy but they could instill property taxes which they have yet to do to possibly minimize the blow.
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Was a terrible feeling that the USA is fucked…
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NBA is free in Chinese CCTV sport channel
all you guys missing a point – NBA is on free channel CCTV sport, all big boxing fights are on the same free channel – I’m watching them live all the time (I live in China 10 years)
UFC is delusional if they think they can do PPV in China – simple because is not legal to do it. Period
Second Chinese are nationalistic to the point of stupity – this is why Art of China were always looking for shitty foreigners to fight they “undefeated fighters” (I attended almost all their events). If by any accident some of this foreigners won, Chinese were very unhappy and next event less of them came to watch. I remember group of sanda fighters who came with me to watch fights left in the middle of the show because their friend lost to thai guy and they never went again to watch Art of War – I asked them couple times and aswer was that they are not interested watching Chinese guys loosing….
I don't think the UFC plans on making China buy PPVs yet.
They just want to put up an event and do good on ticket sales. The UK, and Germany (If I remember correctly) don’t buy PPVs. They have a TV deal and all the UFC’s are free, and they just bring shows there from time to time. This way, they get to establish a market first before even dreaming of asking them to buy a PPV.
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 4, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
My gut says yes they will succeed. There are more 18-49 y/o males in China, than there are people in the entire US. I don’t think UFC has to do PPV in China. They can get a lucrative TV deal, and move a ton of merchandise, and eventually when they build their base start selling out 20K-30K venues once or twice a year.
I love the recent idea that Dana was floating of holding the Ultimate Fighter in multiple countries at the same time, and then having the winners meet at the finale. Eventually a big star will come out of China, and then he will have a massive fan base behind him.
Now I think Dana is exaggerating alot when he says it will be World Cup, or Olympics, but it would be a great event to run multiple shows in say US, China, Brazil, and Britian (or Canada, Japan, Korea, Germany, or a combined Europe or Asian show against North America, or South America). They could put the shows from the other countries on the interenet, and build a bunch of recognizable young talent.
The chinese hated it when Thai fighters would come beat their local Sanda fighters.
Food goes in here
but usually (in MMA at least),
Sanda fighters beat up muay thai guys.
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 5, 2010 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions

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