Shine Fights Unable to Get Licensed in Virginia, Moves to Oklahoma
by Nick Thomas on Sep 4, 2010 10:23 AM EDT
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According to mmafighting.com:
Just a week before its lightweight grand prix tournament, Shine will pack up camp and move the event to Oklahoma. The exact location and venue is not yet known.
According to a source close to the promotion, the issue at the heart of the move was a marketing push by Shine that gave fans the opportunity to choose the matchups for the first-round bouts in the tournament. That apparently didn't sit well with Virginia's commission, which operates under the Virginia Department of Professional and Occupational Regulation. The commission wouldn't issue Shine a license because of the fan matchmaking, the source said.
Shine's official website still had the event listed for Virginia as of Saturday morning, along with a link to purchase tickets.
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Let me be the first to say that I'm incredibly surprised
They did SOOOOOOOOOOOOO much advertising and seemed to have TON of interest in Virginia.
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I saw no advertising locally for this event.These guys couldn’t sell water to a whale,let alone a fight card for PPV in 30 days.
by TERRENCEFROMSOUTHEAST on Sep 4, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Any fighter that signs with Shine fights is completely insane
This is the second event that I’m pretty sure won’t happen. The first one had Don King as a scapegoat but there’s no excuse this time.
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by Matthew Roth on Sep 4, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I knew about this yesterday
I’m talking with Jason Chambers later today to get full details.
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I'm gonna think this is Shine's fault
Don King can’t be blamed this time.
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by Matthew Roth on Sep 4, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Still looks bad for VA
The debacle with the UWC judging, this, I think there was a mishap when UFN came to Fairfax I dont remember. I just…REALLY wanna go to an MMA Event. In fact I think it was you that said “2 words: Grand Prix.”
Well…if they can’t get it right around this here parts…you guys still got Butterbean’s number? Make it happen.
I think it looks bad for everyone involved
except the fighters, and as I said above, if I’m a fighter now way I sign with Shine. Din Thomas lost out on a TON of money because they didn’t have their shit together. I’m actually surprised the VA commission didn’t allow this to be honest. I would have expected sanctioning no problem since it’s a new uneducated commission that seems to allow anything.
Moosin in VA would be awesome but War on the Mainland would be way better.
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by Matthew Roth on Sep 4, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
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I told you Luke,these guys couldn’t pll this off in 30 days.How can they blame this on VA.When Jason Chambers came on your show and said the VA commission was great and easy to work with.These guys didn’t no ads or TV fore the event so now it’s VA fault."Please"get the scoop and let us know.At least they got some free press on your show to get there name out.lol
by TERRENCEFROMSOUTHEAST on Sep 4, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
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I did not hear it was Oklahoma. My understanding was Louisiana.
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For the love of god, please confirm it’s Louisiana…
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by Scott C. Broussard on Sep 4, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
For what it’s worth I had originally e-mailed the Virginia Athletic Commission with my concerns over the dangers of one night tournaments and hadn’t gotten a response yet. So when I read here that it had been moved to Oklahoma I e-mailed the Oklahoma Athletic Commission about my concerns of the safety of one night tournaments.
I stated that I read that Shine was moving it’s event from Virgina to Oklahoma and here is the response I got from Joe R. Miller:
That is incorrect. I informed them that they could not promote an mma event in the State of OK under their format. Thank you very much for your concern.
So it looks like your right it’s not going to be in Oklahoma.
Just BE.
I was ready to be finished with Shine Fights
but if this leads to the first Riverboat MMA card all will be forgiven.
I don’t really buy this “we don’t like fan matchmaking” excuse. I’d like to know if the commission actually said that, or if that’s shine’s interpretation, or if that’s just shine’s excuse.
Theoretically, if you are going to approve an 8 man tournament, you have to approve all the possible combinations of matchups because any 2 fighters could end up fighting in the finals. Who cares if Shine, the fans, or a magic 8 ball makes the first round selections?
I live in Oklahoma...
and if it IS here, I’ll be torn between buying tickets and picketing the place.
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by Krimson on Sep 4, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is hilarious.
Shine can’t do anything right.
by Polyhedron on Sep 4, 2010 11:38 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
The Tourney was already botched with the 2 round fights.
I said from the beginning that no legit athletic commission is gonna let this go through.
One night Tourneys are just outdated (esp. with 3 fights in one night).
They had 8 good LWs on their Hand, just match them up properly and it’s all good.
Can this promotion be any more of a joke?
Seriously now, the level of incompetence here is getting extreme. Do they even have any other fights announced on that card beyond the tournament ones? Surely there’s going to be something between the semifinals and finals right? Also do they have any alternate bouts? And seriously, they were going to run the Patriot Center? I looked at the prices out of morbid curiosity and they were planning on charging $350 for front row seats, and bleacher seats for as much as $94. In a 9000 seat arena. Were they fucking serious?
I know everyone is for options for fighters
but honestly there is a difference between KOTC and Shark Fights and guys like Shine and ImpactFC…I don’t want these guys in the sport when they have a track record of incompetence.
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by Matthew Roth on Sep 4, 2010 12:03 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Not that I have any inside information pn this whatsoever
but how certain is it that they’re moving to a different site? It seems like it would be so much easier to just drop the ‘fans gets to pick the first fight’ gimmick to appease the VAC and get licensed than completely relocate to somewhere else. Does anyone know how long it would take to reapply for approval?
I can’t say I’ve seen much in the way of advertising, so maybe they’re not losing a bunch there, but moving locations at the last minute can’t be great for ticket sales. Plus I know the patriot center has a pretty firm policy on securing a deposits for events prior to using the facility, so having to eat the costs of that can’t be great for shine either.
I live in northern VA
and can definitely see VA regulation nixing something like this. VA is very old school in many ways (it’s a commonwealth ffs), and the logic behind shit that goes down here (or lack thereof) is at times mind-bottling. You know, what happens when your thoughts get all trapped up like in a bottle.
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someone should get these guys a lawyer
They’re the MMA equivalent of a blind drunk in a china store.
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by hobbie on Sep 4, 2010 12:22 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
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If you want to believe this excuse find.I’ve seen zero promotion for this event in DC,and it wasn’t listed in the Weekend coming events section in the Washington Post.There’s no way you can put on and event in a new market in 4 weeks.Jason Chambers on MMA Nation said the Viriginia Commission was great to work with and they agree to the format of the Tourney.So don’t blame VA for this one.Shine Fights,are the bad guys here.
by TERRENCEFROMSOUTHEAST on Sep 4, 2010 5:29 PM EDT reply actions
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