Dana White Open to Georges St. Pierre vs. Anderson Silva
by Nick Thomas on Sep 4, 2010 9:11 AM EDT
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Print"Well, Georges St-Pierre is the coach on this season of The Ultimate Fighter (12) and he's gotta fight (Josh) Koscheck. Then Jake Shields is here now, so (GSP has) got a couple guys before he clears out the division. We're gonna redo Chael Sonnen and Anderson Silva. That rematch is gonna happen and Vitor Belfort is still in the mix. So they got a couple guys they gotta beat before we make that fight, but I'm not opposed to making it."
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So...
basically what you’re telling me is that there will always be challengers in each weight class and those fights will have to come first, which means this fight will probably never happen (at least while both guys are on top)?
by KAN0 on Sep 4, 2010 9:18 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Dana White is fucking Scheherazade
At the beginning of the evening, he promises that GSP/Silva will happen if the fans really want to see it. But at the end of the night, he concludes that both fighters need to clean out their divisions before they’ll ever meet. Just as Scheherazade never had any intentions of finishing her stories, Dana has no intentions of ever having these two fight if it can at all be avoided.
Those are some pretty big obstacles in the way of making this fight happen. I don’t care though, GSP is too small go up in weight (for now at least) and a catchweight would be pointless.
He’s not too small.He’s lean 195er. Maia is soft 195er. Maybe he just doesn’t have balls to go up? (jk)
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by dancingChicken on Sep 4, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Maia is taller though (6ft). GSP is only 5’10 and would be giving up a huge reach advantage to the world’s most dangerous striker.
He would give up 1,5 inch to AS, the height difference would probably magnify it, but still not enough to call it huge. That size argument size sucks if you ask me. It’s no problem if GSP doesn’t want to go up, but if the size is his biggest concern, then well, what can you do. I understand that he wants to have all the advantages on his side, but it’s not the end of the world if you have slight weight, height or reach disadvantage, vide Machida, Shogun, Rashad, Randy, or Edgar.
"...I don't want to save the World, I don't even want to save me. We're so boring that we don't event want to save ourselves...There's nothing left to say, we're so fucking boring. Let it die I say. Let there be a new beginning...It's awful. Goodnight"
by dancingChicken on Sep 4, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Meh.
"...I don't want to save the World, I don't even want to save me. We're so boring that we don't event want to save ourselves...There's nothing left to say, we're so fucking boring. Let it die I say. Let there be a new beginning...It's awful. Goodnight"
by dancingChicken on Sep 4, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Save your breath
No matter how many times you cite to indisputable evidence that the suppozed size difference b/t Andy and GSP is not that big, someone will still always rebut you by asserting their belief that the size difference is huge. The Andy is too big for GSP is one of the hardiest bits of misinformation in MMA. It is not possible to dispel through evidence, reason or argument.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 4, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
worlds most dangerous striker roflmao
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GSP fighting at 170 enters the cage weighing more (192-195) than Anderson does fighting at 185.
There is something of a reach disadvantage (about 1.5" IIRC) as well as a height and over length disadvantage, but it wouldn’t stay on the feet for more than a few seconds each round anyway.
I actually prefer the idea of a catchweight fight, preferably still a 5-rounder, so there would not be any issue with belts tied up.
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by BigDNotDallas on Sep 4, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
That is the big question...
During the night of the fight, what are the fighter’s weights? Because we all know weigh-in weights are temporary, organizational things. Where do you get your numbers that GSP is in the low 190s during fight night and that Silva stays around high 180s?
For the past two years I’ve advocated a super-exhibition 5 round fight with no belts on the line. I really don’t want to see Silva defending at WW were he to win, nor would I want to see GSP jump up and down from WW to MW for defense.
GSP entered the cage around 192 lbs against Hardy:
http://www.cagepotato.com/ufc-111-press-conference-new-york-brings-rowdy-crowd-missing-carwin
I saw a video with Silva a week or two before the Maia fight where he says he’s 192 or something. I can’t find it now, but I did find this:
http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f2/anderson-talking-about-his-weight-1183197/
90kg is 198, and his fight night weight is probably lower.
Found the 192lb Silva video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZGPJaLbVPg#t=2m23s
I doubt he enters the cage more than 195.
Alright, so the weight attribute is basically nullified between GSP and Silva
Silva has a tiny reach advantage and a height advantage, but every wrestler I’ve ever talked to actually prefers to be shorter than their competition, so the height disparity might actually work in GSP’s favor. Whatever the fighters may say, if this fight never materializes, we can thank the UFC for that.
"And Jake Shields is here now..."
Soooo… we’re overlooking the fact that Martin Kampmann might beat Jake Shields?
That’s the plan…
"...I don't want to save the World, I don't even want to save me. We're so boring that we don't event want to save ourselves...There's nothing left to say, we're so fucking boring. Let it die I say. Let there be a new beginning...It's awful. Goodnight"
by dancingChicken on Sep 4, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
That's stupid
You can never overlook a fighter. Ironically enough, Shields is a great example of this from his win over Henderson.
Sun Tzu said:
don’t let the facts get in the way of a good story.
And Schields getting a title shot is a good fucking story.
"...I don't want to save the World, I don't even want to save me. We're so boring that we don't event want to save ourselves...There's nothing left to say, we're so fucking boring. Let it die I say. Let there be a new beginning...It's awful. Goodnight"
by dancingChicken on Sep 4, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I think people are reading too much into that. Shields is the #3 ranked MW, fighting at WW. The main reason he’s in the UFC is to eventually fight GSP. And he’s favored to win over Kampmann. So it’s not a shock that he’s thought of as the next in line. It’s not overlooking Kampmann to mention Shields as a possible contender in a spur of the moment comment. Overlooking someone would be putting all of your marketing out about one fighter and never mention the other.
by FragglesHateKos on Sep 4, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What I get from his comments are
“I really don’t want this fight to happen, so I will postpone it as long as I can. But I did mention maybe it could happen, so please leave me alone about it”
Bottom line is this fight would happen if Dana really wanted it, and he doesn’t.
by trips71 on Sep 4, 2010 11:10 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Yep... this is the same old song and dance from Dana
“We’ll make the fight when they’ve both cleaned out their divisions”
Well- THEY’VE BOTH CLEANED OUT THEIR DIVISIONS. THAT’S WHY BOTH OF THEM HAVE REMATCHES COMING UP. (pardon my caps)
There will always be challengers coming up, and there will never be a time where it is more appropriate to make the fight than it is now. So please, stop making the same mistakes boxing does and make the damn fight. Otherwise this historic opportunity will be lost.
by BilboMcFonzie on Sep 4, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
the last two posts are right on the money
This sounds like Dana hedging on this fight as per usual. Its obvious he doesn’t want to do this fight right now, as one cash cow would eat another, and there’s no way to do it without screwing up both divisions.
Still, these aren’t good reasons to not make the fight. If Dana is serious about MMA being the sport where fights the fans wanna see get made (unlike boxing) he needs to make this.
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by hobbie on Sep 4, 2010 1:57 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Money
The fight would be a big money fight, sure. But it’s a one-off big money fight. Right now, GSP is the UFC’s #2 cash cow, behind Brock. If they put him in against Silva and he can’t handle Silva’s size advantage, then they’ve done at least some damage to their ability to print money with GSP on a card. So there’s no long term reason for them to do this fight.
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I don't believe that's correct
True superfights are rare and in my opinion tend to generate interest for both the loser and the winner. That seemed to be the case for GSP vs Penn, even though the actual fight was very one sided. I am the definition of a casual boxing fan and the prospect of Mayweather vs Pacman is incredibly exciting to me (still). Casual fans get sucked into the narrative when fights like this happen, and I think sometimes will become more than casual fans. I don’t believe fans get turned off when fighters lose as much as they do when there aren’t compelling matchups. Look at the betting lines for the last several GSP and Silva title defenses and tell me whether that’s really building interest in the sport.
by BilboMcFonzie on Sep 4, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
GSP/Penn HELPED BJ's drawing power
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 4, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
GSP could lose anytime
Serra proved that, and GSP’s marketability only went up after that. The reason DW wanted Fedor-Brock is that it was a once a lifetime opportunity. Now the inevitable happened – Fedor lost – and that opportunity has been tarnished. GSP or Silva will eventually lose, and when that happens this opportunity will be gone.
I don’t think GSP will lose anything for taking this fight and losing, and he may even gain credibility. You could have a win-win situation, like Sonnen-Silva, where both fighters gain respect.
can we please get a 'is dana using steroids?'-argument going?
Go big red!
by pornflake on Sep 4, 2010 5:08 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
i heard dana IS on steriods..someone remind me where i heard that from
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