Did Yves Lavigne Really Make Statements About Josh Koscheck's Chances vs. Georges St. Pierre?
by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 3, 2010 11:08 PM EDT
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From the Twitter account of David Simon of RingsideReport.net:
Wrote an e-mail to the author of the Yves Lavigne story en français. Yves says he didn't do the interview. Waiting for response from author.
If this is true the site that ran the piece (canoe.com) is going to have a lot of explaining to do and I would fully expect Lavigne to pursue his legal options. The story impacted the public perception of Yves as well as his reputation with the fighters that he officiates. We also know that Josh Koscheck followed up on the piece with statements that Lavigne would never ref one of his fights again. I'm sure other fighters feel the same way about a referee that would publicly make such statements and this could have greatly impacted the career of Yves.
Lending some credibility to the idea that Lavigne did not give the interview is the fact that Canoe has pulled the interview from their site. I'll be looking forward to hearing more on this story.
(Translation of the original Canoe "interview" can be found at Watch Kalib Run)
Update: Dave Simon adds via Twitter:
Just got an e-mail from Yves Lavigne with the following 3 statements: 1. "I NEVER gave an interview to that journalist ... Yves Lavigne comment 2. "I NEVER gave an interview regarding GSP vs Koscheck" and 3. "My lawyer is taking care of this matter.
Great job by Simon of following up on this and not a shock at all to hear that Yves has his lawyer all over it.
Update 2: Simon posts a story at Ringside Report.
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Here. Go to WKR for the original translation.
I’ll add it to the piece though.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 3, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Man thats fucked up if they did make this up
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by II SMASH II on Sep 3, 2010 8:26 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
where's deo
with some “grabs popcorn” or related GIF’s for sitting back and watching this sucker unfold.
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As just updated Yves does have his lawyer on the job.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 3, 2010 8:30 PM EDT reply actions
Also, this is why I never ran the original piece as a serious story. Seemed a bit “out there”
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 3, 2010 8:31 PM EDT reply actions
Seems odd that WKR hasn’t updated their story yet, that doesn’t look real good on them.
by ufc4 on Sep 3, 2010 8:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It’s only been about 2 hours since Simon started tweeting about it.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 3, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
A brotha was at Happy Hour
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 3, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn bro, it’s Friday night. At least, thats the excuse I’m going to use…in reality I just woke up from the best nap ever.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Sep 3, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
What?
I don’t understand what you’re saying.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 3, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah...
I hadn’t gone through all the comments over there.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 3, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
The only reason to get worked up if it's true is that
it would then put a question in the fans mind about a bias regarding fights. Giving someone more time to fight back/early stoppages which would affect bets.
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If he did make the comments he can't be a ref anymore
He’ll have lost all credibility in my mind. If he didn’t then the reporting website is in for a world of legal hurt.
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The thing is. If they didn’t record the interview they’re irresponsible anyway. You’ll never see an interview published on BloodyElbow that we don’t have a copy of for exactly this reason.
So it’s either recorded and Yves is in trouble, or it’s not recorded and A) didn’t happen or B) there is no proof of it happening which might as well mean it didn’t happen.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 3, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
By “an interview published” I mean one WE conducted.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 3, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Brent, when I worked at Maxim I kept a record of every interview on tape
To not have a record is ridiculous. I think the fact it was pulled shows either it was made up or not recorded. And as you said, both basically mean it was made up.
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Exactly. If it’s not recorded then you can’t trust what they claimed he said anyway as they’d be reporting it from memory.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 3, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d wager the site is shut down if it’s not true. Similar to what happened with this site and Carwin’s management. Snowden has a record and if it got down to it, there wouldn’t be an issue.
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Simon also tweeted this bit of interesting info earlier tonight:
Le Journal’s REAL writers are on strike right now. These replacements seem to be grasping at straws and tarnishing Yves Lavigne’s good name.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 3, 2010 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
So the fact checking department is gone?
Le Journal is SOL if this is true that they made it up.
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Oh, agreed. Just saying, it’s a weird situation all around.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 3, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Is there legal department on strike too?
Would hate to have scabs deal with this case. Yves makes a ton of money, le journal shuts down, and the fans still lose due to the off chance that the interview was true and we now need to question all reffing.
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It would be entirely unrealistic to think that refs don’t have strong opinions on fighters (same with judges) it’s impossible to both be closely involved with an activity and not have an opinion on participants of that activity. But if he’s actually in public making those statements, that would be insane.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 3, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
This is basically why Big John lost his license. But to go public means gambling is now fucked cause “It was stopped too soon!” “He gave him too much time to fight back!” comes into play. I don’t like this situation at all.
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So your saying Yves had money on Pete Sell?
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I'm saying that this makes people question fights
The sport is very clean and doesn’t feel corrupt. Being true this opens up a huge fucking problem.
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And even in this situation there are some who won’t believe that it isn’t true. It’s a door that was opened and might not be able to be closed fully.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 3, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
There will be some who just won't see the updates
and as you said, you know there are certain bias in judges and referee minds already. This taints the sport. Luckily/Unluckily this hasn’t been picked by mainstream media so there is a chance it just gets swept away and casual fans are non the wiser. BUT. If it is true, it would be a travesty for yahoo or the folks at mmafighting to not cover it.
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Joking...
But yea for real, this is a fucked up situation no matter what. This is a career ending fuck up, whether its Yves or Canoe’s writers we don’t know yet but its a pretty phefuckingnomenal fuck up
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surprised they didn't just do a quick edit and say
*satire at the bottom
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A nice little
“lol jk” to wrap it all up
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woulda been perfect
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How goes the hurricane? Slurricane yet?
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by Barack Lesnar on Sep 3, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
i don't know which ways up
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O jersey!
Its full of Bruce, Babes, Fighters, and the number place to get fucked by mass amounts of water at high speeds!
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I live on the beach
In about 3 hours I’ll be drinking spiced rum and gingerale and giving Poseidon the finger
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by Matthew Roth on Sep 3, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Because your house just blew away
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Nah I live in a complex with cougars and college girls
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So you live in a complex
with women with complexes?
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So 5-7 days out of the month you really have to worry about bears?
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by Barack Lesnar on Sep 3, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Strong enough to start a engine main.
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by RearNakedChoker on Sep 4, 2010 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions
On strike, of course…I should have know, they are Canadian, but they are also French, and being on strike is like a tradition for us.
I'm a lover not a fighter
Right next to surrendering right?
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Exactly what I thought when I watched the gif.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Sep 3, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
They aren't on strike, it's a lockout.
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Fabricating news....
Not exactly a new activity, but certainly weeds out the complete idiots in the media from those with some subtlety.
by Cocytus on Sep 3, 2010 8:37 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Scale of 1-10
How fucked is this site if this is proven to be a made up interview
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10 in my book...
because they were basically willing to end Yves’ career
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 3, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
This could've ended his career easily
And cause certain decisions of his to be second guessed. What the hell were they thinking
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Yep and this site most likely shuts down
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We'll see what Canoe's lawyers are like
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by II SMASH II on Sep 3, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I hope for Yve's sake that this is BS
Doesn’t look like it will pan out for a few days though. Yves probably shouldn’t ref again anyways after Brown/Sell but that’s different.
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Um, pretty big in Quebec.
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Where?
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Not surprised Yves didn’t say this stuff, he doesn’t seem like the kind of guy that would offer his opinion freely when he knows it could bite him in the ass, career-wise.
by DirtyML on Sep 3, 2010 9:01 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I must say I’m almost 100% in agreement with this FakeYvesLavigne fellow.
by ufc4 on Sep 3, 2010 9:06 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Haha
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I would have sent yves Lavigne a check for 5 million internets if he said it was “some hispanic guy”.
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by Earl Montclair on Sep 3, 2010 9:15 PM EDT reply actions 13 recs
I'd double that
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winner winner motherfucking chicken dinner
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by Barack Lesnar on Sep 3, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Kos
JoshKoscheck Yves is saying he never gave that interview.lol ya right! Come on Yves…Man up! Now back tracking bc the UFC called his ass.
JoshKoscheck So someone just had it out 4poor Yves?Ya right! I sill don’t give a fuck he’s never ref1of my fights again&other fighters should watch out.
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that's pretty shitty.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 3, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Like we said...even if it's not true
It created the seed of doubt.
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by Matthew Roth on Sep 3, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
That seed is going to sprout a shit storm flower
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by Barack Lesnar on Sep 3, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Man wtf Koscheck
If anyone needs me I’ll be in garage…. Hangin sheet rock around the engine I’m rebuilding…..
Wheres my chewing tobacco?!
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God this guy is childish.
And then God created Saturn... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
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He has a right to be pissed
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 3, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
No. Yves didn't say that.
He said “I never gave an interview”
Two different things. This wasn’t on the record.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 3, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
So you’re gonna trust this guy’s word just based on what he remembered in an off record conversation?
Off the record doesn't mean not recorded
It means not in the context of an official interview.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 3, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
A) If Yves didn’t agree to an interview then it shoudln’t be presented as such.
B) If there is no recording of the conversation then there’s no way of knowing if Yves actually said these things.
Of course we'll never know 100% unless a recording is released
I can tell you, it won’t be released. The Quebecois are extremely loyal to each other.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 4, 2010 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s an awful big assumption to make.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 4, 2010 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions
It is an assumption but it's based on two things
The disclaimer the site had up before they pulled it
and
Yves not saying he didn’t say that at all. I know slick non-denials when I see them.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 4, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Okay...
but you can’t in good consciousness run something on a site where you claim that he probably did.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 4, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I put a disclaimer up (and so did Nate) about the validty of the article being questioned
Yves is saying he didn’t say it, the author says he did.
Yves also says he didn’t give an interview on GSP vs Koscheck. I found a radio interview from the same day that has him talking about that fight and how GSP should win.
So one of his statements has already proven to be false.
And he never denied making the statements.
And the original article is STILL up even after Yves “lawyers were on the case”.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 4, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Yves is saying he didn’t say it
And he never denied making the statements.
These don’t fit in the same arguement.
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You're right sir
I misspoke. Yves is saying “I didn’t give an interview”, he did not, nor has he (or will he, I suspect) say he never said those things.
Saying “I didn’t give an interview” would be like Roger Clemens saying “I passed all tests” in defense of what McNamee was saying against him.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 4, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
And the fact that you ran the piece you ran today is why I can't take your work seriously
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 5, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 5, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
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Dave Simon got on the phone with Yves Lavigne immediately after hearing about Le Journal de Montréal’s accusations.
This isn’t the first time Le Journal has created such a debacle. Remember when Loiseau was denied his license to fight at UFC 113 in Montreal? It all started at Le Journal de Montréal with their accusations that he was linked to the mob. The paper’s real writers can be read at Rue Frontenac here: http://ruefrontenac.com. It is actually not a strike situation but a LOCKOUT.
What a bloody shitshow.
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by metricjulie on Sep 3, 2010 10:12 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Thanks Julie
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 4, 2010 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Vincent Morin, author of the Le Journal de Montréal article, still hasn't replied to Dave's email
We’re waiting & will update as soon as we hear from him. If ever.
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That's odd
The original article was written 3 or 4 days ago with my piece coming out yesterday and he’s just now responding?
Curious that earlier today I had emailed Kizer about it.
I’m not saying BS. But I’m skeptical.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 3, 2010 10:29 PM EDT reply actions
To add
There was an addition to the online version of the interview with Lavigne:
Notons que suite à un malentendu, les propos de cet article ont été recueillis dans un contexte non propice à la diffusion.
Which basically means: Following a misunderstanding the quotes from this article were taken in a context that was unfit for public consumption.
Taken in a context unfit for public consumption. And Yves saying he didn’t give an interview. Sounds like they were shooting the shit.
Notice Yves keeps saying “I never gave an interview”.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 3, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
He responded because Dave Simon called him & asked him about it.
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The thing is, Dave was the guy who took the time to ASK Yves what happened.
It’s also possible that his lawyer told him not to make any statements until they looked into the situation. It’s flat irresponsible for them to run the story even if he did tell them something off the record. But you’re ready to throw Yves under the bus because you’ve made the decision that his wording means that he did say it.
It’s either recorded or it didn’t happen.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 4, 2010 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Word.
It’s either recorded or it didn’t happen.
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Actually, I'm not ready to do anything
I’m just giving my opinion.
It is irresponsible to run the story even if off the record, but oh well, it was run and now we know that Yves has those views. If I find out my boss is racist because his wife taps his phone, I’m not gonna say “Oh well, this was obtained in a bad way, this info is invalid.” This isn’t a court of law.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 4, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
We don't know anything without a recording.
Yves being blackballed would be an AC issue, not a "court of law’, but using something that someone said you said will not fly.
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 4, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
We don't know anything except
The writer says Yves made those statements
Yves doesn’t deny the statements, but says “I didn’t give him an interview”.
Yves was on the radio earlier that day talking about GSP vs Koscheck which contradicts what he said when he said he didn’t give the interview.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 4, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
no, it doesn't.
He was on CKAC radio which is one thing; he said he never gave Journal de Montreal an interview. Two separate entities.
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by metricjulie on Sep 4, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Two things
The first is, he already said “I didn’t give an interview to that writer”. So if he’s said that, there’s no need to further say “I didn’t give an interview about GSP/Koscheck”.
2nd, he should not be talking about future fights. Especially fights that he might be reffing. There was an 80% chance he was reffing this fight as the hometown boy. Now? Nah.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 4, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh and I don't want him to be "blackballed" or anything like that
I just reported what I read and gave my opinions. I do think Koscheck has a legit gripe and that most fans are gonna fall on the anti-Koscheck side no matte what because they dislike him.
Him being on the radio saying that Josh was “boring” and favoring GSP in a rematch is enough of a taint to me if I’m Koscheck.
I know refs have opinions, I just don’t want to hear them. And people saying “McCarthy has said things too” is not valid either.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 4, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Your personality is absolutely one where you want to be at the center of a shitstorm
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 5, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually no
But thank you for playing armchair psychiatrist
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 5, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Speaking of the David Loiseau thing
I just found that it’s the same guy, Vincent Morin, who wrote that article about Loiseau.
Loiseau is suing Corporation Sun Media & Québécor Media for half a million dollars over the accusations in the article tying him to the mob.
Why does Vincent Morin hate MMA and why is such a shitty journalist being paid for this?
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Of course you can post links!
And yeah, the fact that this is happening multiple times with the same righter is a big deal.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 4, 2010 8:05 AM EDT up reply actions
righter?
i should really change my handle around here.
/never given Brookhouse shit before
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WTF?
How did that happen?
I should go yell at my wife for waking me up that early
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 4, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Hey now
Don’t go getting all Shane Carwin on us…just own it!
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by BigDNotDallas on Sep 4, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I updated my blog with more info I found
Quebecor Media is currently being sued for 300k over allegations made by THE SAME WRITER where he accuses 2 Kahnawake business men of being members of organized crime.
Crazy!!! What the frig is up with Vincent Morin?
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by metricjulie on Sep 4, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
am i write?
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 4, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
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by bobthewriter on Sep 4, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I want Yves Lavigne to say he never said those things
Because it sounds like he did. It sounds like it wasn’t an interview. Until he says “I didn’t say it”, I have no reason to believe he didn’t.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 3, 2010 10:39 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Other than the fact that it is career suicide...
Cruisin on the interstate/just follow while I innovate
Too many try and imitate/medallion like a dinner plate
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Is one really worried about that when you’re having a few beers and shooting the shit about the sport you love? Not saying thats how it went down, but it very well could have been an off the record thing that has now become this monster of a story.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Sep 3, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
good point
Cruisin on the interstate/just follow while I innovate
Too many try and imitate/medallion like a dinner plate
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That’s what I think may have happened but I really have no more info than what I’ve told you already and neither does Dave.
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I'm hammered
What fight is this?
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by Matthew Roth on Sep 3, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that's Nover
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 3, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
That's almost certainly how it went down
Based on the sites verbiage and Mr. Lavigne careful word choice.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 3, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
As soon as Yves says "I didn't say that"
I’ll believe him.
Of course, they are Quebecois.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 3, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL what does that mean?
Of course, they are Quebecois.
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by II SMASH II on Sep 3, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hahaha
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 4, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
The Quebecois are pretty provincial
and protective of themselves. I doubt that if there is tape that it would be released. I think they would like to not have famous Quebecois painted in a negative light. That wasn’t said to be a joke/insult.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 4, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Morin already wrote the story. If what you’re saying were the case, he wouldn’t have written that in the first place.
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He probably didn't think it through
and didn’t think it would affect Lavigne. It’s just good ol trashtalk.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 4, 2010 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions
In a French article
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 4, 2010 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Have you read anything about Vincent Morin?
And adding “In a French article” is of absolutely no relevance. It doesn’t hurt Yves Lavigne’s reputation any less.
Do you think now he’ll get to ref a big fight when UFC comes to Montreal? Probably not.
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I have read up on Morin and the Loiseau situation
The issue there is clarification, not made up statements.
There was a confusing passage and David wanted a full retraction, Morin only offered a notation to clarify any confusion. David sued.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 4, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Your speculation is starting to bore me.
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by Neil Manich on Sep 4, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
I've been wondering
When did you stop beating your wife?
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by FRANKIE on Sep 4, 2010 12:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
As soon as my lady makes a police report
and then retracts it, it will be applicable.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 4, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Now I get it
I could just say she told me that you beat her and provide no proof, then it would be applicable.
by ufc4 on Sep 4, 2010 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No.
If you printed something (like an article in a major national newspaper) that said that (after she “told” you) and then when I call you on it, you put up something saying “This information was not obtained in the best of ways” instead of an outright retraction and then I said “I did not punch my wife” (which doesn’t mean I didn’t beat her, just that I didn’t use my fists), now it’s applicable.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 4, 2010 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Or...
do you want him to say it because you may have gotten all worked up over nothing and jumped the gun with your fanpost?
BOOSH
by Farthammer on Sep 4, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I didn't jump the gun
I translated a 3 day old article
I don’t get “points” for writing it.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 4, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Right
an article that may be based on bullshit. Then, based on said possible BS, you basically call for Yves’ head and say he should never ref a Kos fight again.
BOOSH
Still, I don't get points for writing it
So I doesn’t affect me if it turns out to be made up.
I do know he was on the radio (unless that was an impressionist) making similar comments about Josh’s fight, so I STILL don’t think he should ref his fights.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 4, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm on a crusade for the TRUTH
Yves said he didn’t give an interview, not that he didn’t say it.
Yves hasn’t denied making the comments.
Which seems more likely to you, Off the record comments or wholly made up quotes?
The original story has not been retracted.
Yves was also on the radio talking about GSP vs Koscheck among other things.
I just want the truth. And if Mr. Lavigne did not make those comments and it wasn’t him on the radio discussing the fight, I will make apologize with the same fervor. That is just how I write and I am. It was the same way with the Carwin thing. This too will get it’s due diligence.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 4, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Private William Santiago was killed by lactic acidosis
Are you saytng you gave the order for the CODE RED on Shane Carwin?
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 4, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
You want the truth so badly...
that you’re willing to use quotes from a piece that were never given by Yves to find it. Way to go…
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 5, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually no
I posted the piece BEFORE Yves said anything.
Now Yves said he didn’t give an interview to that journalist. Ok, I updated that (and so did Nate) in both pieces.
Audio comes out of him on the radio saying the same things in a less vitriolic way. I post that. So that’s not him on the audio?
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 5, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
okay, so everybody's making a big deal out of this
i’ve read the piece on watchkalibrun and it somehow failed to anger me. what are people exactly having a problem with?
that he as a ref has opinions on fighter’s performances? or that he boldly favours GSP in that fight?
Go big red!
That kind of blatant bias is frowned upon greatly when it comes to being a referee in professional sports…you have to appear to be as neutral as humanly possible, obviously, because you’re the third man in the ring. Also take into account that he could have very well been reffing this fight if this wasn’t ever published…
I understand ref’s are people, and fans. I would love to hear their opinion on some things, but you know what, most of them don’t say shit to anyone, why? Because things like this happen.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Sep 4, 2010 5:19 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
well, once he enters the ring he should be as neutral as humanly possible
even if he did give that interview, i wouldn’t mind the things he said. i don’t think he’s that good of a ref to begin with, i always hope that he doesn’t mess anything up when he’s refing a fight i’m really interested in.. but still: his performance on fight night (should he ref that fight) will have to speak for itself and it’s going to be out there for everyone to see and judge; the things he says in his freetime don’t really play into that imho.
call me retarded, but (should he have said those things) i still fail to see any wrong.
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The thing about it is
If he did get the fight he would, if anything, slightly favor Kos in any issues that came up, now that this is out there…
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by BigDNotDallas on Sep 4, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Figures
Nothing worthwhile has EVER come out of Canada.
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As much as I never want to see Yves Lavigne referee ever again,
This whole situation is pretty shitty.
Off the record
I’d bet my paycheck yves said it but it was either to be off the record or as a quote from non named source. This journalist dropped yves in grease but I guarantee he said it, just like Jim gray with the tiger comments made about Ryder cup. This stuff happens in journalism.
by Budiswiser on Sep 4, 2010 10:40 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Someone posted this in the comments section of WKR
It’s Yves making similar comments
1- Josh’s fight v Daley was very boring.
2- Radio asks what’s up with GSP’s most recent "boring performances". Lavigne replies that GSP failed to finish his opponents but still delivered.
3- It goes downhill at the end when the host asks Lavigne’s analysis on the fight. Lavigne says he thinks Georges is better all around.
http://www.ckac.com/audioplayer.php?mp3=78340
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 4, 2010 1:22 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Coincidentally, it was on the same day the "interview" was published
Perhaps Yves was talking “off-air” about the fight and the writer published the comments.
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Yeah...
I guess Yves saying Kos vs Daley was boring would be better left to Rogan to say.
What Yves says though about Kos vs GSP is Josh is a great wrestler who also learned how to box & that GSP dominated Kos in their first fight, then he talks about GSP’s training.
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Basically
Rogan is an employee of the UFC paid to give commentary and his opinion.
Yves is a referee and employee of the commission paid to officiate events and be impartial.
We know he is not a robot and that he has opinions, it hurts his rep when he pubicizes those opinions. He can say the fans thought it was boring, but saying that he felt it was boring and that GSP’s similar style is not boring and that GSP should dominate Koscheck is above that line of impartiality.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 4, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
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