The Dangers of Reporting Truth in MMA
Imagine driving over an hour to work just to be turned away by someone you don't even know. No explanation is given while you are escorted out. You cannot figure it out. What do you tell the Mrs.? Your kids? Finally, you get home just in time. Your phone is ringing and the baby's crying. The dog is barking at the stack of overdue bills. Your wife just told you the washing machine went out. None of that distracts you from the task at hand. It's fight night and you still have a job to do. Your job is to cover the UFC PPV and the stories that are furthered that night, so you close yourself off from the rest of the house and shut the bedroom door. Wait, What? Why are you at home? You did what?! You told Dana White that you refuse to pull punches when it comes to the UFC. You said you refuse to compromise your principles and will continue to report the truth? He laughed at you and called you a what? Now the only way to do your job and put food on the table is to shell out the $45 for the pay-per-view, non HD might I add. Who are you? A respectable member of the MMA media.
Sometimes, the little guy can't win. Case in point: Sherdog.com -- the largest independent MMA media site on the Web, the official MMA content partner for ESPN.com -- went without access to the UFC from late 2005 until the middle of 2009, when it was allowed to return Octagon-side. It has since been denied exclusive access once again. Why would Zuffa, the UFC, or more importantly Dana White NOT want their product to be covered? Truth. What is he hiding? Truth. You see, the beef between Sherdog and White is longstanding. Dana has been quoted as saying "Just because you own a website doesn’t mean you are a real reporter. Sherdog is just like every other guy; he’s just been out there longer.” The UFC would like you to believe that no one on the Sherdog staff is a "real" professional, and therefore should not be granted credentials. WRONG! Dana White is a bully and a coward! He gets off on having the power to dictate who can and cannot cover his product. This is the only way he can control what is said. The old WWF saying "Don't cross the boss." holds true in mixed martial arts as well. However, Sherdog founder, Jeff Sherwood took part in the documentary 'Fighting Politics' in which he went into detail about the ongoing feud with the Boss. The Boss didn't like what he heard and the next thing you know, Sherdog's key-code no longer worked. Fans and fighters alike are forced to settle for crumbs of info instead of the bread of truth. Arguably the best MMA web site, Sherdog manages to not only survive, but thrive thanks to their dedication and unwavering stance that journalism trumps the almighty dollar. While they keep going strong, they will never reach their full potential as long as Dana's in charge.
Jump ahead a few months when Dana White struck again, revoking the credentials for 'Inside MMA' on the night of UFC 117. For those of you who have been living under a rock for the past few years, 'Inside MMA' is a weekly program on Mark Cuban's HDNet hosted by Bas Rutten and Kenny Rice. We do not yet know of any conflict between the two parties. But if history is to be our school master, we can be sure that the 'Inside MMA' guys more than likely cast a less than flattering shadow on the UFC. God forbid anyone ask a legitimate question or point out the 800 lb. gorilla in the room. Somehow the UFC President has the audacity to accuse MMA web sites being in the pocket of smaller promotions while paying the only reporter who seems to get any real answers from him. Yeah, you know who I'm talking about. The Little Mermaid's paycheck is signed by Versus, which just so happens to be a broadcast partner of the UFC. That was no coincidence that he was standing next to Rogan and Goldie when Jon Jones dismantled the Janitor. Robert Joyner, formerly of MMAPAYPOUT had this to say:
"•Who uses their credentialing process to shade coverage of their company? One of the few people in the business that will ask Dana White tough questions, Josh Gross, can't get credentialed. Sherdog fluctuates between the penthouse and the outhouse when it comes to UFC access. Even lapdogs like Steve Cofield get threatened over access if they ask tough questions, like when Cofield questioned Dana about his fighters like Drew Fickett getting DWI's at the Bud Light press conference. The blunt instrument of access is used to cow the media coverage, so you end up with journalism from the likes of the Steve Marrocco's of the world."
The bottom line is this: if you want truth in print and radio when it comes to our sport, you must demand it. Let us come together for the cause of unbiased coverage of all MMA promotions. Let our collective voice be heard. We shall not be denied any longer. The UFC must allow reporters to dig and probe without fear of being black-listed. Tough questions must be asked and answered. Journalists should not be threatened for writing controversial articles. Zuffa must stop insulting our intelligence. We know that the only credentialed websites/reporters/journalists give the UFC a kiss in their publications. Demand that Mr. White stop punishing those who chose to make use of their First Amendment freedoms. If this sport is ever to reach the next level, if this company is to continue to grow, it has to allow the people who care most for it to do their jobs. What good is an event that happens every few weeks but isn't talked about at all in between?
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Depends what “truth” you are reporting, let’s take Sherdog for example they basically dug their own grave by being biased and mostly anti-UFC. They decided to have their own agenda against the company like sadly alot of other sites have emulated so it’s no surprise that Dana told them to fuck off.
The biggest problem mma has right now when it comes to writting is that alot of people seem to have confused what their job is. It’s not to crusade against Zuffa, it’s to write about the sport the negative bullshit that comes from alot of writers has basically made them the story which goes against everything they’re supposed to represent.
I have no doubt that you can write things that aren’t always positve about the UFC and still get coverage. But if you want to act like your some sort of truth teller raging against Zuffa and their evil practices you will get exactly what you deserved dick.
"they mad at me, I keep going hard reppin/
cause what's your Rampage to Rashad Evans/"
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Please provide examples of their "biased and mostly anti-UFC" agenda.
Nobody ever does, because, beyond their own vague perceptions, there is no such thing.
by capital L on Sep 3, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
All you have to do is read most of their articles, i’m more surprised that people still are blind to what they’ve been doing blatantly for years.
"they mad at me, I keep going hard reppin/
cause what's your Rampage to Rashad Evans/"
-Joe Budden (Something To Ride To)
http://www.zshare.net/audio/76866807deabe3c1/
by Nightwhistler on Sep 3, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Please, right now, go to their front page and find me one item that indicates an anti-UFC bias
For that matter, link to one article ever that supports your contention.
If you really are that desperate to find out you can do it yourself, I haven’t been to that place in a while and the last thing I need is to go back to reading their crap to give you proof of anything.
"they mad at me, I keep going hard reppin/
cause what's your Rampage to Rashad Evans/"
-Joe Budden (Something To Ride To)
http://www.zshare.net/audio/76866807deabe3c1/
by Nightwhistler on Sep 3, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Nightwhistler
You got served son. Are you Jan Brewer in disguise?
by ImmortalTechnique92 on Sep 3, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah, the old "I"m right, but I’m too lazy to prove why" defense.
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by Mike Fagan on Sep 4, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
You're so full of crap.
What anti-UFC bias? I haven’t seen anything of the sort in years.
they have proof
It’s what DW said so it must be true! :p
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
Need I remind everyone Kid Nate is also anti-ufc.
by RoB_ex on Sep 3, 2010 8:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Srsly?!?
Being critical of the UFC =/= anti-UFC…I would think this obvious, but apparently not…
I do not pretend to speak for Kid Nate, but if he is anything like me he criticizes out of love, not hate…
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." -Arthur Schopenhauer
Haters are gonna hate and bitches are gonna bitch...
by BigDNotDallas on Sep 4, 2010 2:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Degenerate Gambler, anyone???
Thats the perfect example of this topic. Thats what Dana White see’s when he looks at the Overall view of the media as a whole. As much as we, in the MMA world, want to see MMA as this huge, global sport, and thats just not the case yet. We are still just a fringe sport that is covered by a few “experienced, educated, and trained” Journalists. The rest of the coverage comes from bloggers that are just “average-joes”. the problem with bloggers is that there are rarely editors and peple to answer to about the content in theyre written pieces. so i can see both sides of this, but i totally understand Dana White pulling credentials from people that report opinions on his personal choices of how he spends his OWN money or how he decides to run the sport that HE created……and quit hating on Ariel “the little mermaid” helwani!! because he gives the best interviews in MMA, head and shoulders above anything Shit-Dog provides!
by Curtis Wooden on Sep 5, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
1 out of over 1000 articles?
Is that the best example y’all have? And that was recent.
And this isnt about BE not getting credentialed. I think the question was posed for Sherdog who is the biggest site and aren’t credentialed.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 5, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope you got paid to write that.
Ricky Hatton came closer to beating Manny Pacquiao than Marquez did to beating Floyd.
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by The Lethal Haze on Sep 6, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
MMAFighting > Sherdog
The only outlet that can stand up to the UFC and win is ESPN.
"I talked about retirement a little bit, but told them I'd be the same ol' grumpy, pissed off guy." --Bobby Cox
What?
Did you view my affinity for MMAFighting as some sort of insult, Fagan?
"I talked about retirement a little bit, but told them I'd be the same ol' grumpy, pissed off guy." --Bobby Cox
I didn’t call you anything, I was talking about Sherdog and other sites who have this crusade against the UFC getting dick which means nothing.
"they mad at me, I keep going hard reppin/
cause what's your Rampage to Rashad Evans/"
-Joe Budden (Something To Ride To)
http://www.zshare.net/audio/76866807deabe3c1/
At this point, only hardcore MMA media outlets will ask tough questions
ESPN only takes a casual look into MMA/UFC, and thus the UFC is only mentioned when a fight is being promoted (never in a negative light).
Sherdog sucks
and you conveniently forgot to mention them leaking the TUF winners, which is a HUGE part of them embittering the UFC and rightly so. Add to that, “Fighting Politics” isn’t unbiased media, at all. It’s biased garbage. Lorretta Hunt being a toolbox. Josh Gross being not much better than a paid troll.
I can see why the UFC doesn’t want them around. The UFC does a LOT of bad stuff in regards to real media. Sherdog doesn’t count.
"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse
by Chris Barton on Sep 3, 2010 4:38 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs
So, they leaked an actual news item, and a current and former editor are a "toolbox" and a "troll," respectively.
Very substantive criticism, that.
Are you seriously glossing over the TUF leak?
That was hugely irresponsible of them. HUGELY.
I stand by both of my statements. I remember Hunt’s nonsense about the UFC banning people, which turned out to be sensationalized rubbish.
"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse
It was highly irresponsible.
It also wasn’t some sort of big planned hit job. Josh Gross more or less blurted it out on radio.
I didn't assert it was some "planned hit job".
If it came off that way, it surely wasn’t my intent. Regardless of the motive, it happened and they had to pay the piper for doing it.
"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse
In my opinion, pseudo-banning them and harboring a permanent grudge is a petty and ineffective way of dealing with that situation.
You are totally entitiled to that opinion
I happen to disagree. I think it’s been pretty damn effective. Sherdog and Gross have proven time and again why I don’t want them covering the sport.
"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse
And yet, they continue to do so, and do so well.
On top of that, both outlets continue to be on good terms with the sober minds of MMA coverage. What an inconvenience.
And yet, they continue to do so, and do so well.
I suppose that is a matter of opinion too. I don’t think they cover it well. Not at all. They can’t, since they don’t have access. When they do have access, they do stupid shit to mess it up.
Also, who are these “sober minds”?
"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse
They do have access to a broad breadth of fighters & camps.
They conduct interviews all week long. They report live from every event. They run semi-regular features on various topical issues.
As for the sober minds, I’ve yet to run across any serious criticism of Sherdog or Josh Gross from any other members of the media covering MMA.
Yea
The same can be said for many other media sites, only they don’t also push some weird shock-jouno agenda.
So because other MMA media members don’t want to talk shit about a large online MMA media presence it MUST be that Sherdog is a great source? GTFO.
Forrest Griffen. Ask him about Sherdog.
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I'm really glad I'm not alone
Sherdog and Gross are both garbage.
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 4, 2010 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions
hey what season of tuf did they spoil?
was it the season with vinny and bader in the finals?
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That's what news sites do, report news
If the results of Survivor were found out, they would be posted too.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 4, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
u serious s.c?
I can look up the result to this season of survivor already and know who the winner is …..the winner of last years was out so quick .. go 2 www.survivorsucks.com and check who wins this season lol. Also that was a very bad comparison
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I know you can
LOL. I was kinda being funny.
I used to post at Survivor Sucks back in the day.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 4, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
like I think they hold the final vote even before it airs aswell
The Red Wings will come back stronger
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Yeah, it used to be live
I think that changed a while ago
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 5, 2010 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions
last season sucked so much for me
my friend is a dick and since someone told him who won he ruind it for me, then I kept seeing comments on youtube videos saying who the winner was
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In this case, though.
They were given access to this information in such a way as to guarantee they don’t leak it. Then they did.
And then God created Saturn... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
Twitter me and what not.
Add to that, "Fighting Politics" isn’t unbiased media, at all. It’s biased garbage.
STOP THE PRESSES – A DOCUMENTARY IS BIASED
by Chris Nelson on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Right
but when a “media” source has its editors making inflammatory remarks in something biased people really shouldn’t complain about them getting banned.
"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse
Honestly
I’d have to watch it again. I would right now, but shit is blocked at work so I can’t be very specific. I do remember them continuing the myth that the cut Lindland to protect Franklin, which is absurd. IIRC, they do it in a very venomous way.
"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse
I guess my main thing is – how many people even saw that movie? If the UFC wants to be taken seriously as a major sporting organization, they shouldn’t be yanking the credentials of MMA’s most popular website over some trife shit like that.
You’ll never hear me whine about Bloody Elbow not being credentialed, because I honestly don’t care, but it does irk me when I hear the UFC and fans propagating the myth that sites like Sherdog and BE aren’t allowed in because we have some vindictive anti-UFC agenda. It’s just not the case, and to me that’s far more heinous than someone blurring the minutiae of why Matt Lindland isn’t in the UFC anymore.
For me
being the most popular MMA website is meaningless. If you don’t provide quality and have a history of being combative it’s just not worth credentialing you. I don’t think the amount of people who saw the movie is the point for ZUFFA, it’s that Sherdog goofed up BAD then eventually got let back into the fold and then their staff got caught talking shit again.
For me it’s like right after I get a “warning” at work for something. I better be on really good behavior for a bit so that my boss can remember why I am there in the first place before I start fucking off again.
Finally, the myth that BE has an anti-UFC agenda is like some bad joke someone is trying to play. I have a lot of theories why people think it’s true, but that’s sort of out of the depth of this discussion. Regardless, I think the “UFC haters” (Nate, Snow) are probably two of the most avid fans of the UFC I have ever “met”, which is why they complain when it falls short.
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No, it's nothing like that
You’re an employee of him. Sherdog ISN’T employed by the UFC.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 4, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
There is no such thing as a perfect analogy
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by Chris Barton on Sep 4, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
There is a such thing as good and bad ones though
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 5, 2010 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions
To echo Chris Nelson's question.
Do tell me what you found to be the most inflammatory part of her comments.
During what? Fighting Politics?
By biggest problem with her was the whole “credentials” story that got her called names, which I DO think was uncalled for, but he “report” was still nonsense.
"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse
I don’t recall that story ever being contradicted by anyone other than White, who actually spent more time riffing on Hunt than he did with regards to the contradiction.
But let’s assume the worst. The article was inaccurate. The named quotes were all liers. The anonymous quotes were from cowardly liers. Perhaps if Zuffa maintained open communications with Sherdog, who are only one of the largest MMA media outlets, they could have gotten their own quote into the article, or pointed them towards managers with a different take, and avoided this sort of clusterflop.
Why bother?
Helping out a “media” site who has a history of being vitriolic and combative? It makes NO sense. It’s not like they are some major site that needs to be catered to and they goof up every chance they get. It would be irresponsible and silly for the UFC to help them.
"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse
"Hold your friends close and your enemies closer"
And that’s even supposing they are really their enemies, which I have yet to see any real evidence of.
As for their importance, It’s hard to tell, but I’d wager they are the most heavily trafficked MMA site short of UFC.com itself.
I have yet
To see more than one example of why Sherdog is the crazy evil uncle that everyone is saying. This is hilarious.
by ImmortalTechnique92 on Sep 3, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
but the thing is, they don’t have much impact on zuffa’s bottom line. The people that frequent sherdog spent a lot of time talking about how the Affliction cards were the greatest cards in the history of the sport, and have repeatedly been wrong about several next next-Pride’s that are going to come along and save everyone from the evil empire of zuffa.
It being a heavily trafficked mma site doesn’t move money for zuffa, so it doesn’t really matter. They get a lot more bang for their buck by dealing with jon anik than dealing with loretta hunt.
Let's not confuse Sherdog.net with Sherdog.com
I find it hard to believe that the UFC could really find no benefit at all in having an open working environment with one of their largest media observers. As I pondered above, I wonder if the manager article debacle would have gotten so out of hand if Zuffa and Sherdog had normalized press relations at the time.
That said, this extends well beyond Sherdog. Cofield writes for Yahoo, who are closely aligned with Zuffa’s web presence. Gross writes for Sports Illustrated, and to my knowledge still has some sort of importance in the mainstream sports world.
the .net is to counter your point about how big the site is.
It doesn’t really matter how big that site is, the people making it that big don’t really help the ufc’s cause.
On Alexa, at least, Sherdog.net traffic is tracked separately from Sherdog.com. Combining the two would only serve to magnify the size of it’s readership, and would seem to give it an average readership in excess of the UFC’s own web-page. (The UFC’s web-page does experience dramatic spikes that no MMA media site I know of can match as important cards approach and recede.)
That said, ignoring the forums seems entirely reasonable in my mind, but it’s fairly standard business practice, espicially for promotional entities to work with the media rather than attmpt to ride roughshod over it. I find it illogical that you see no benefit for the UFC in this. The easier it is for a media outlet to cover your activities, the more coverage you stand to get. The more coverage, the better.
That makes sense when your enemy can hurt you
That ain’t Sherdog. Listen dude, I’m not some crazy Sherdog hater. I know it comes off that way. I visited that site for a long time. I haven’t posted in AGES but I was a LONG standing member and was Platinum for two years before I found BE. Read ever article ever day.
"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse
When someone interviews you...
…for a project, you have no idea what the project is going to turn out to look like. Seriously, I interviewed more than 100 people for each of my books. None of them know what it will be like, nor is it fair to blame them for the overall project.
by Jonathan Snowden on Sep 4, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I do agree with this
But seriously in any interview, say your right words.
"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse
Legitimate questions:
Why do reporters need to be given front row seats to fights?
Why can’t reporters ask fighters questions before and after UFC events by contacting the fighters directly rather than having to go to press conferences?
"Deserve's got nothing to do with it." -Will Munny, a known thief and murderer, a man of notoriously vicious and intemperate disposition.
They don’t really need either of those things, as evidenced by the fact that Sherdog continues to cover the sport effectively.
I think it would be good for the sport, and frankly good for the long-term health of the UFC, for the there to be an eager, independent and engaged press environment. Cronyism in press coverage is lame in any sport (or really, in any environment).
I’ve thought this same thing so many times. Reporters want free access, and one would think it would be mutually beneficial for the UFC to give these credentials out (under the paradigm that any press is good press). But the UFC, as a business, is really entitled to credential or not credential anyone they want. Freedom of the press does not mean $free$. If an non-credentialed member of the media wants in to cover the event, why don’t they just buy the tickets and write whatever the fuck they want without having to fear some sort of reprisal?
by mictlantechutli on Sep 3, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
The UFC used to send people through the crowd to remove Sherdog folks from the building.
by Jonathan Snowden on Sep 4, 2010 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions
This also...
forgets that non-credentialing means no pre or post-fight press conference access where you can ask questions or meet managers to get contacts, no press releases, no conference calls, no access to judging cards during fights, etc.
This idea that all reporters want are great seats to fights is pure fantasy. Journalism in the form of a product, let’s say BloodyElbow.com, is a service. The ability to provide that service is impeded when credentialing isn’t granted.
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Besides, you have a much better view of the action at home. Also, the best seats at a UFC event are high enough that you can look down over the top of the cage. Anything on the floor is terrible.
by Jonathan Snowden on Sep 4, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Yet, is Credentialing Owed to BE?
That is the question here. I state that it is not. Though the UFC, or any other promotion who does not open the press room fully must then suffer the consequences, it is not an obligation in any manner that they provide credentials to anyone they do not wish to. Of course, it is then the option of BE to run articles like this one to debate and to heavily push their viewpoint, but it cannot be framed upon any idea that BE is somehow owed access. BE provides a service, but that does not mean that the UFC is obligated to provide you with the substance.
It may help to get a quote for a story
but I can’t remember the last time I heard anything truly important spoken about at a post fight press conference. Probably the most important thing I’ve learned from a mandatory press conference is that Allen Iverson doesn’t like practicing. Almost everything seems to just be filler for a generic story about the sporting event.
Most sports story I’ve actually enjoyed were from interviews that were granted by the athlete to a reporter.
"Deserve's got nothing to do with it." -Will Munny, a known thief and murderer, a man of notoriously vicious and intemperate disposition.
It’s not that you get something from the press conference itself. That’s streaming online. But you can get one on ones after, and meet the fighter, meet the agent, meet UFC personnel, make connections, establish yourself as a face and not just a name. There’s so much more to it than sitting at the press conference.
by Jonathan Snowden on Sep 4, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Because it's significantly more difficult
Sherdog has bee able to get away with it through long standing relationships.
Other guy, like Shane Carwin, won’t answer any requests for media unless it comes through Zuffa. When you need to get ahold of someone, generally speaking the most reliable way (unless you have a personal relationship with that fighter and I don’t ever want to have a personal relationship with a fighter) is to get the major MMA organization for which they labor for to do the heavy lifting. It’s faster, smarter and the adopted policy for 90% of journalists.
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Steve Coefield
On the other hand, I like. It’s bullshit that Dana kicks him out whenever he asks “bad” questions or makes “bad” points.
I just want to reiterate, I agree with the spirit of this post just not the evidence used to support the point.
"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse
What you see as vitriol from Sherdog, I see as the same sort of objectivity that got Cofield into trouble.
Heaven help us if ESPN actually attempts to cover the UFC as stringently as they cover, say, the NFL, because Dana White might actually go over 9000.
That is what I am hoping for.
Heaven help us if ESPN actually attempts to cover the UFC as stringently as they cover, say, the NFL, because Dana White might actually go over 9000.
"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse
One major point that tends to get obscured in all of this
Is that, in general, people and entities in MMA seem to have very thin skins, particularly with regard to critical (read: useful) press coverage. The UFC and Dana White get noticed for this because, as in all things, they are the biggest and most noticeable entity.
However, lots (perhaps most?) of organizations, promoters, managers and fighters seem to be unable to withstand any press scrutiny whatsoever. For that matter, one thing holding back the discourse from a fan perspective is that a majority of fans seem to have this weakness as well.
I think this phenomenon it’s present in many sports, but I have the distinct impression that MMA suffers from it most of all.
Oh motherfuck that guy
He on Inside MMA a couple weeks ago pissed me off.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 3, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
He's crazy, but strangely compelling
I don’t even have a twitter and I can’t stop following his feed.
For example, the dramatic pause between these two missives is hilarious
It’s starting to become comical with the haters for the MFC. I used to get mad, not anymore, we are better, we do work harder & if I were U
I would hate us too.
He will be on the podcast next week!
!!!
What should I ask him?
by Jonathan Snowden on Sep 4, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
How he lives with himself
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 4, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Watch him on Inside MMA a couple weeks ago discussing Antonio McKee
and his fighting style. He was like Dana White plus more smarm and minus charm.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 4, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
that was painful
both Pavelich and Bas basically shitting on McKee, and McKee sitting here eating it, almost apologetic. He should have been sitting in the corner wearing a dunce cap.
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That's not true.
Opinion does not equal bias, at least in my definition. I’m sure your’s is different, and I’m sure someone else has one that’s different than both of our’s.
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My opinion is that Chael Sonnen is overrated
Doesn’t mean i have bias against him in reporting
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 4, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
What happened to dictionaries setting the definitions?
I got a good one, opinion: a personal belief or judgment that is not founded on proof or certainty.
If everyone got his own definition of everything, then we’re pretty fucked up.
I'm a lover not a fighter
It’s my opinion that 2+2=4. I’m heavily biased in favor of 4.
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by chasethegoose on Sep 6, 2010 7:13 AM EDT up reply actions
re:freedom of speech
I’m 100% in favor of Freedom of Speech
and in Freedom of the press
but also 100% in support of honesty and integrity in the press.
A person can’t accept even the smallest of gatuities, as in free seating free admission, special access etc. then
criticize a fighter or a promotion
for personal reseasons
and call it objective or honest reporting
Not saying this happened
but I’ve been by sherdog several times
and while I enjoy minute details
have been left a little let down
on some pointsas in a tendency to view wins over sub-UFC standard foes as being of equal value (like beating a pro wrestler etc. in their one and only MMA match or beaitng someone who in a UFC-like set-up would be 2 or 3 classes below them)
But nonetheless
the UFC has a corner on most of the top MMA talent
not saying that a Fedor or Overeem or several others
couldn’t compete within the UFC
they still just have to bulk of the talent tied up
a greeat example of the high stgandards of the UFC would be when was the last time you saw any other promotion drop someone for losing two straight fights?
or when was the last time someone got a shot at a UFC title after lsoing their last fight?
If a reporter can’t report on the UFC without dragging lesser promotion into his report, even if they have some good fighters
then they have sort of made their own bed
and not plea Constitutional Freedoms in their defense.
A reporter can cover a fight
without promoting a rival promotion
so if them being able to cover a promotion depends on being in the goodgracdes of a certain promotion
then they need take care to not do publicity for a rival promotion
or is that not what occurred?
i'm 100% in favor
of not hitting return so much
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by Cory Braiterman on Sep 4, 2010 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
You lost me the second you cited Joyner.
You make some good points, but your post is overloaded with anger and venom. While some MMA sites should have access, I don’t agree that all of them deserve it.
Some of them are indeed fullfledged websites, but many are simply blogs that offer up opinions. There is a difference between reporting and providing an opinion.
There’s nothing wrong with providing an opinion and insider information. Our most famous journalists in all the other sports tend to do that as well. Does Peter King offer up more or less opinion than Josh Gross?
by Jonathan Snowden on Sep 4, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions
There are thousands of Peter Kings that emerge like cicadas every year and descend upon training camps nationwide.
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 4, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
That makes no sense. Peter King is the top NFL reporter in the country, no matter what anyone here thinks of him.
by Jonathan Snowden on Sep 4, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Curse you for making me reveal my sources.
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 4, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Subooooooo
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 4, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Tell you what -
You show me two or three big stories he has broken in the last 5 years. I’ll wait.
In the meantime, you show me two or three insightful things he has reported in the last 5 years. I’ll keep waiting.
Finally, I found a transcript of every Peter King Column ever:
“I was talking with (insert famous person) and he thinks that there is a possibility of (insert other famous person, most likely Brett Favre) being ready for Week 1. But I am not too sure about that. Hey, coffee is great!”
BOOSH
by Farthammer on Sep 4, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I had to rec this
Peter King is an oaf. He’s likable on FNIA, but that’s about it.
You forgot to mention the fact that he’ll often rank a team that’s barely at .500 above a team with 1 or 2 losses.
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Eh, that’s debatable.
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Actually, it’s not even debatable anymore. He’s not the top NFL reporter in the country. He’s one of the top and most read analysts, but he’s far from being a top reporter anymore. Peter King breaking a story only comes from someone who likes him handing him a story so he breaks it favorably.
And then God created Saturn... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
Twitter me and what not.
I didn’t say he was bad at all, and never will. I’m just speaking as to his relevancy as a reporter at this point.
And then God created Saturn... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
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Yeah, I was more reponding to all the other people in this post trashing him. Is he gonna be the first guy to break a story about a big trade? Probably not, but he is insightful, and is a good writer.
Breaking a “story” about a trade is about as meaningful as breaking a “story” about a fight that was just signed. I.E not very. Give me analysts any day.
by Jonathan Snowden on Sep 4, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Jay Glazer
He’s just not with ESPN so he isn’t in your face all the time
"I talked about retirement a little bit, but told them I'd be the same ol' grumpy, pissed off guy." --Bobby Cox
Jay Glazer? Jesus, the guy is in bed financially with a bunch of the players! Most people don’t know journalism from PR I guess.
by Jonathan Snowden on Sep 5, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Man, you are hard to talk to
with the pot-shots and what not.
Jay Glazer is no more tied up with the league than any beat reporter travelling on a team plane. Sure, some people go through his training program, but he is still first and foremost a reporter.
Read this
"I talked about retirement a little bit, but told them I'd be the same ol' grumpy, pissed off guy." --Bobby Cox
Pot shots? Are you really that sensitive?
You are pointing me to a story detailing his “unusual” arrangement? The one with the Poynter Institute questioning his ethics? He doesn’t even see himself as a reporter. When he comes to the UFC, he clearly sees himself as one of the celebrities. And he describes himself as a “brand.”
Comparing him to a beat reporter is crazy. No offense or pot shots intended. But he would be furious to be compared to a beat reporter.
by Jonathan Snowden on Sep 5, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
No, I’ve been called terrible things by more important people, haha. But I’m one of your backers on the site, Snowman, so you don’t have to insinuate I’m ignorant. Quid pro quo, bia.
But I know beat reporters on shit salaries who sometimes live on food given them by a travelling team. Don’t you think that could slant coverage a tad? The fact is, it’s a tradeoff. Glazer has earned the trust of players by doing things other than just asking his one question at a press conference. But he often gets out in front of a story before ESPN or someone else wants to pick it up. Hunter Thompson provided the best accounts on a variety of topics by immersing himself in the culture and even becoming friends and enemies with people. The question a reporter must ask himself is whether or not to risk the burning of bridges in reporting truth.
If your still with this tomorrow, I’ll continue on. It’s a good debate to have, but I’m boarding a plane for fucking New Jersey and I need to start drinking, right now.
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Jay Glazer probably abuses PEDs...
…based on his appearance on Dan Patrick’s radio show. And he trains a ton of NFL athletes. I don’t know why this isn’t a story yet.
BOOSH
I can undertsnad both sides of the issue.
If own I own/promote a product and your intentions are to cast it in a bad light and profit from it, I wouldn’t allow you in either. Anti-Zuffa stories generate page hits and profit. Sherdog is trying to get bigger and need the UFC to do it.
The UFC has maintained a “go it alone” attitude for a long long time. It will be hard for them to break this because of their success. Dana is looking out for his product, his baby. With the amount of time and effort he has put into the UFC I can see why he would be defensive. How would you respond if someone attacked you, your policies and your product. I think the UFCs biggest issue is not being able to forget the past.
Sherdog leaking the TUF winners was enough for me to justify the UFC ban. They should have just made a public apology kissed a lot of ass and made up. Zuffa is the reason Sherdog is the size it is, period. They need to understand you can’t bite that hand over and over and not have consequences. They should be cover insurance issues for fighters both pro and con. They should cover buy rates and why all cards aren’t created equally. They should have articles on co-promotion and why they work for some but not others.
For MMA to grow we need both sides to grow up. Zuffa needs reporters to cover the good and bad to help them grow as a company. They need exposure to the soon-to-be fan. Sherdog needs to cover both sides to every story, do it in the same article. Ask the hard hitting questions but also give praise for what is done right.
You can’t have one of the biggest media outlets for a sport always shitting on the biggest player and vice versa. Thats why I love BE so much. We get the articles (from the same authors) on both sides of the Zuffa fence. And if you don’t agree with that you lack reading skills.
They're not always shitting on Zuffa
Please post links to them shitting on Zuffa.
No one has posted anything.
Yes they posted the TUF 4 spoilers. And? Sites spoil things often. That’s news. You don’t like it, have better clauses in the contracts.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 4, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
This isn’t a first amendment or freedom of speech issue at all. While cutting off any media outlet from special access to the UFC hurts their ability to report, the UFC has no legal obligation to provide them with special media access. The UFC isn’t preventing any media outlet from reporting any story, they are just letting them now this could affect future relations. While you can call this conniving and underhanded, it is in no ways illegal. The UFC is just doing what any other business does, deciding what they feel would be best for their bottom line and acting accordingly.
If the UFC wanted to cut off all special media coverage, then so be it, they would have to deal with effects of limited coverage and a backlash. If they allowed special access to everyone who asked, they would have to live with the possibility some outlets might write more negative coverage. Right now they’re walking a path in-between, understanding that pressing too hard could cause a backlash while making some effort to control their coverage.
Media outlets can choose between being soft on the UFC and getting full accesses or writing what they truly feel and getting limited access. Either way, it’s their choice, and they risk readership by either shying away from telling the full story every time or missing out on certain coverage.
But the ultimate power rest with the fans. They are the ones who choose whether to support or not support the ufc based on their practices, to read or not read a media source based on their practices, and whether having a purely objective and unbiased media with limited access is important enough for them to care about.
I personally expect a fairly objective reporting of mma, and think bloody elbow does a solid job of providing this. I get more mma information here than anywhere else. The site isn’t on Dana White’s speed dial but they don’tss that I’m not getting the full story, nor do I feel like they have an acrimonious relation. If this site started pitching fluff pieces only, I’d probably be done with it. But at the same time I understand that a massive number of people could care less either way. To get a large enough percentage of fans riled up about this enough to force the UFC to change anything would require the UFC to start using some fairly egregious business practices, something I’m guessing the UFC would be smart enough to avoid.
I don’t think anyone’s saying that it’s illegal, we just think that it’s shitty and bad for the sport.
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by chasethegoose on Sep 6, 2010 7:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Do we hold DW to a higher standard?
Whoah, a little puke came up into my mouth there? Mainstream journalists who paint their information sources in a bad light usually don’t get further information from those sources, and alot of the time, have a hard time keeping cred with future sources. Why do we expect Sherdog to be treated any differently? I am a regular reader of Sherdog, BE, UG, CP, Mania, and I won’t compare one to the other,(‘cause nuthin’ competes with BE anyway) but Sherdog has their cake, now they have to eat it. Don’t worry they’ll kiss’n makeup one day. There is too much money to be made.
Dana White and the UFC are under no obligation in any form to provide Bloody Elbow with access to anything that is a part of their promotion. Of course, they then have to accept the consequences for those decisions. By the same token, BE must also be aware that because they hand the sign “journalist” on their hat, that they are now owed some type of special access, even though the coverage is many times nothing more then shock articles meant to drive up hits. Therefore, BE has to stop whining like a little girl in a pink dress and get on with it. The UFC does not owe you a living. As a matter of fact, without the UFC, which appears to be the only organization throwing money into jurisdictional development and expansion, then BE would be in dire business loss. The relationship between the MMA promotion and the MMA press does not have to be full of love and roses, but it must also be remembered that one without the other makes life all that much difficult, if not impossible.
By the way, I have the sneaky suspicion, and that is all it is, that some of the most ardent defenders of BE as so-called defenders of MMA freedom against the tyranny of Dana White, have a far closer connection to BE then bad sig names ;) Just a suspicion of course. ;)
Stop Whining
Silly stuff with inconsistent arguments that rely on the erronous premise that they are owed special access and consideration for no other reason that they have slapped the term journalist behind their name on a business card. UFC, and any other promotion, is not required to give squat to any journalist. Of course, they then must live with the consequences, but the operating premise of your argument that you are somehow owed access is in deep error.
As I wrote earlier, it is more an issue of whining like a little girl in pink dress then getting on with the business at hand. If it is too hard a business then try a different line of work where they hand you everything and all you have to do is sit there and judge other’s work while solemnly reciting that you criticize out of love and not out of an ability think of any other angle.
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Sort of an odd issue for me here. I would love to see more/better MMA reporting but I also understand that this kind of stuff is a lot more common in sports than people think. ESPN doesn’t do much negative reporting on the NFL, why? Well it’s because they are broadcast partners with them, it’s in their own best interest to not be too negative too often or it may hurt their own network’s ratings. This is one of the strengths of the internet reporting media, they aren’t as tied to the sports as the tv networks are, of course the internet reporting media is still fairly young and getting news of anything off the internet is like getting a drink in the wild west. I used to be of the opinion that things would change with UFC reporting once the big dogs in sporting news got on board and had the leverage to not be intimidated by the UFC but then when that day comes the big doges in sporting news may also be in bed with the UFC in the same way they are in bed with the big three ball sports now too.
Of course anyone who brings up “free speech” as part of this arguement is an idiot, this has nothing at all to do with free speech or freedom of the press or anything like that. This is a discussion about some people getting free/press access in exchange for keeping a positive spin and some internet sites not getting press access due to issues with the company or just the plain fact that the UFC is picky who they give free/press access too. Heck the Sherdog issue has very little to do with freedom of anything at all it’s just that Dana White has a long long history of going back and forth and around and round with Jeff Sherwood and his site.
ESPN reports on every little scandal in the NFL
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 4, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
but they are effected by their relationship with them. That’s how the world works. They were very slow on all of the Rothlesberger stuff, they constantly bring up other people’s issues but no one ever talks about Farve’s drug addiction problems, they completely whiffed on all the recent USC stuff. They are a bigger, so they mention everything, but please don’t act like they are some bastion of impartial journalism, they are bought and sold like everyone else.
I never said they are impartial
But they are much more “negative” on the NFL than Sherdog is on the UFC.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 4, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
and right now the nfl isn’t in a position to exile them like the UFC is (but that’s not going to stop al davis from trying).
media is changing. It’s going to be interesting to see how things are in a few years with sites like nfl.com and mlb.com getting bigger and the league networks growing.
The NFL, if they wanted to, can exercise sanctions against ESPN
by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 4, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
They report on every little player scandal, they are real touchy about reporting on actual negative NFL news. When was the last time you saw ESPN do any investigative journalism into how screwed up the NFL/players union system for former player disability is? Heck just look how they skirt digging deep into the impending NFL strike that is coming up. Being negative when reporting about a specific player or even a specific team is very different than being negative when reporting about the actual league. If you are looking for real investigative journalism on actual sports issues then you will get much better from Real Sports with Bryant Gumbal on HBO than you will ever get from anything on ESPN.
ESPN Outside the Lines
gets into the NFL’s ass a lot.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 5, 2010 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions
They run repeats all the time I think
I have long since given up on ESPN except for DVRing RIB, ATH, and PTI (yea I like those shows).
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 5, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
The only times I ever saw it was on Sunday mornings and I think they do repeats on weekday afternoons (when people are at work). Outside the Lines is a good show and I’m pretty sure it gets good ratings but it still gets buried in the line up for some reason.
no, those are new episodes on in the afternoon
I sound like a doofus repeating myself, but I love that show. It’s the best thing on ESPN, aside from Erin Andrews and that new reporter they have named “Jenn” I think
"I talked about retirement a little bit, but told them I'd be the same ol' grumpy, pissed off guy." --Bobby Cox
That'd be Jenn Brown
The same chick used to cover Strikeforce and boxing (among other things) for Showtime until ESPN snatched her up.
It comes on everyday at 3:00 pm.
Outside the Lines airs new episodes five days a week at 3, maybe you’re at work so you don’t see it. Bob Ley is a decent anchor.
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lol, those who don't have jobs get off before 3:00 pm
"I talked about retirement a little bit, but told them I'd be the same ol' grumpy, pissed off guy." --Bobby Cox
Fixed
The dangers of reporting truth in MMA saying shit that pisses off the big players in MMA.
Guillotine.
I agree with the argument, and you have some good writing
but try to work a bit on being more concise. Fewer words always makes for more powerful writing. But overall, I liked it.
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i only listen to sherdog radio
there forums are well not as funny as here, here you got people postin picks there you got really just BAD troll jobs which isnt fun
i mainly go to here Jukie MMAfighting
You can still report the truth and not piss off DW and leaking TUF results thats not good thats how UFC became UFC its there golden child you dont fuck with that stuff
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