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How the UFC Books Fights

UFC matchmaker Joe Silva generally tells UFC fighters who they face next or gives them a limited menu to chose from. Photo by Ken Pishna via MMA Weekly

Some interesting insight from a Ben Fowlkes piece today. He talks to Javier Mendez, a champion kickboxer and trainer at the American Kickboxing Academy:

"They usually give you A or B or C and you get to choose. But sometimes they just give you A, and either you take the fight or you don't. But in general with the UFC, they tell you who they want you to fight."

Fowlkes also talks to AKA fighter Mike Swick:

Sometimes, as Swick explained, they tell you before they tell your management, and the result is a clash of differing expectations.

"The one fight I took without talking to my manager was David Louiseau. I told Joe Silva I'd take that fight and I wanted to be a number one contender so bad. Then I called Bob Cook and I remember telling him, and there was nothing but silence on the other end of the phone. That's when I remember thinking, oh sh-t."

Bob Cook is the head MMA trainers at AKA and Mike Swick's manager.

This is a very telling insight into how the UFC works with the fighters under contract to them. Some fighters get some options -- for example, Rich Franklin and Forrest Griffin apparently had the latitude to turn down a bout with Jon Jones. But other fighters, enjoying less favored nation status than organization favorites like Griffin and Franklin, are simply presented with their next opponent, take it or leave it.

Roy Nelson was presented with his UFC 117 bout against Junior Dos Santos in that manner as a take it or leave it bout. 

All fighters need to project an image of "I'll fight anybody, anytime", but the reality is that they have to be very careful in their fight choices. Basically, a fighter only wants to take fights that will help move his career forward. Early on in a prospect's career, the goal is to find him relatively easy fights against journeymen with limited skill sets who present an ever increasing set of challenges.

Later on, once a fighter is ready for mid-tier competition, the goal will be to find fighters with a bigger reputation and name brand that the prospect nevertheless has an excellent chance to beat. 

From there it's a matter of weighing the pay day against the long term career impact. For a fighter like Marcus Davis who is in his late 30's and has already pretty much been eliminated from contention in the UFC welterweight division a fight against a young lion like Nate Diaz makes sense. Win or lose it's great exposure and a solid pay day and if he wins, instant relevance.

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I remember implicitly after Shogun/Coleman

And Shogun’s terrible performance, Dana White getting in Shogun’s face saying “I want you to fight Chuck” to which Shogun accepted. White thought it would be an easy win for Chuck.

The process of going around management is shady, but something that will happen for a while.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 3, 2010 2:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Shogun vs Liddell

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5b2lcekeyjg

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by RagingNoodles on Sep 3, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

the funny part is Ninja and that other dude's faces

They’re like “I can’t believe he’s pulling this shit”

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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 3, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

WOW dude.......

After watching your video there is a part 2 epic fails video….. at 1:49 it very clearly shows Matt Hughes getting greased up with Vaseline. Holy incriminating evidence batman. tisk tisk hughes. lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvXth-cMa7Q&feature=fvw

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by DJ Pullout on Sep 3, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll say it until I'm blue in the face

Despite all the crap that they try to pull once they become bloated with power, there still needs to be a union for fighters.

by menckenstein on Sep 3, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I also think a union is out of the question. The best hope is for a fighters’ association taking over, along the lines of the PGA and ATP. If done right, there could be incentives for even the big stars joining, but it could also work bottom up and eventually cut out the promoters.

by John Nash on Sep 3, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably not

But if one is formed and everyone jumps on board I doubt Dana (and others) will have any other choice, unless he’s ready to promote UFC ### Ken Shamrock vs Dan Severn III

by menckenstein on Sep 3, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

Unions were much easier to form in the stick and ball sports because NOBODY was getting paid at the time those sports were unionized. Everyone was unhappy.

by Steve4192 on Sep 3, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it’s funny that people think that the first thing a union would try to do is go after big, mean zuffa. The guys that pay more salary to fighters than anyone else in the sport.

if a union really wanted to get off the ground, actually help a lot of fighters, and somehow make a difference, they should work together to get shit like Shine and Dream not paying fighters to stop. Going at it from that direction will make it much more likely to succeed.

by Phildo on Sep 3, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can’t wait till the UFC is like the NFL, where people never go around management.

Oh wait, i guess that will take a while, since video of the jets GM talking to a player about his contract aired on HBO the other day.

by Phildo on Sep 3, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

That just isn't at all how I remember it

While White did tell Shogun he wanted him to fight Chuck, he was gushing about Shogun pulling through against Coleman and gave them fight of the night. Why you build in these weird conjectures at to the motives behind it is beyond me and, frankly, it seems juvenile.

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by Chris Barton on Sep 3, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uh, watch the video

Watch the video linked. Here it is if you’re too lazy

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5b2lcekeyjg

Everyone and their mother knew he was feeding Shogun to Chuck.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 3, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nobody told Shogun that.

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by pdl on Sep 3, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m fairly sure he awarded them FotN because Coleman needed the money.

Lytle and Davis also won fight of the night for that event.

by Lyrias on Sep 3, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

i would love to spend a day with joey

a day in the war room with joe silva!

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by mikeybear32 on Sep 4, 2010 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great article. It also helps the UFC push good fights for the fans. No one wants to fight Jones, they all need to be treated that way. Once the great are no longer in the title picture it makes sense to cash out a fighter (like Hughes) until they retire.

by Riney on Sep 3, 2010 2:43 PM EDT reply actions  

I get that Hughes will never be back in the title picture

But I’d still put him at the very top of WW, and i think he should still be fighting relevant fights. I’d love if they matched Hughes up with Nate Diaz

I’ve got big walnuts. Gorilla nuts.

by Austin Martin on Sep 3, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree, Hughes is one

of my favorites but his time has passed. I like watching him compete in fights where he is still competitive. I like the Diaz idea but I am a fan of both. I want to see Diaz choke out Maynard after he beats Frankie though.

by Riney on Sep 3, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's why I still think Jones' next fight could be Thiago

He is good enough to be considered a step up, but he seemingly lacks the clout to prevent having the fight thrust upon him.

Then again, given his propensity for injury, maybe not…

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by BigDNotDallas on Sep 3, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think they'd give Silva 3 losses out of 4

Plus Bones would throw Silva around like a ragdoll.

Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.

by SSreporters on Sep 3, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

i personally would like either winner of Bader/Nog, or loser of Rampage/ Machida.

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by Austin Martin on Sep 3, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

It just wouldn’t be very UFC-like to have Jones-Bader except as a title fight or perhaps a #1 contender fight, unless one or both are coming off losses…Jones-Lil Nog I could see though…

Loser of Rampage/Machida would then be favored to pick up their third straight loss. I don’t see that happening unless Dana is really pissed at Rampage for something that happens between now and then…

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by BigDNotDallas on Sep 3, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

good points.

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by Austin Martin on Sep 3, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plus Bones would throw Silva any current LHW around like a ragdoll

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by BigDNotDallas on Sep 3, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

he has the potential to be one of the scariest people in this planet.

by Riney on Sep 3, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

i like that fight.

I thaigo might have something for Jones if his back is better. I mean I am not putting any money on Silva …. I just would like to see that fight.

by the-gentle-way on Sep 3, 2010 3:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

If Rashad could wrestle him to the ground and do absolutely nothing with top control

Imagine the nasty things Bones could do.

Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.

by SSreporters on Sep 3, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Remember, Silva did them a solid by going through with the Rashad fight despite having a messed up back. I don’t think they’re gonna throw him to the wolves with Jones coming off two major injuries.

by Verklemptomaniac on Sep 3, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree

I think he is the odd man out…

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by BigDNotDallas on Sep 4, 2010 3:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

My first card as matchmaker would be something like this

UFC Fight Night 25: The Comeback

Denis Stojnic vs. Mostapha Al-Turk (Main)
Scott Junk vs. Kevin Jordan (Co-main)
Andy Wang vs. Rolando Delgado
Eddie Sanchez vs. Neil Wain

Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.

by SSreporters on Sep 3, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

you’re hired

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by GregS123 on Sep 3, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

That would at least not cost very much.

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by Richard Wade on Sep 3, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

the UFC may be draconian

but I think they do an excellent of booking fights that are both relevant and entertaining. And, they do it consistently.

Joe Silva is the man, imho.

by ecost on Sep 3, 2010 3:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Too bad Zuffa doesn’t allow anyone to interview Joe Silva. He’s one of the most interesting figures in the sport.

by JimmersonzGlove on Sep 3, 2010 3:49 PM EDT reply actions  

All fighters need to project an image of “I’ll fight anybody, anytime”, but the reality is that they have to be very careful in their fight choices.

If this is the case is MMA or the UFC in particular in danger of becoming similar to boxing further down the line where the fighters have more power,start making more money and choosing who they fight.
And the fans start to lose out.
I hope not because this is one of the main reasons i am getting tired of boxing and watching more MMA.

by Matt Mosley on Sep 3, 2010 4:11 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Although from my admittedly limited knowledge of MMA matchmaking i think the UFC and Joe Silva do a pretty good job at the moment and put together mainly intriging and competitive bouts.
I hope it stays that way.

by Matt Mosley on Sep 3, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Imo,

the UFC needs to put a stop to this "i won’t fight my friend " crap that the likes of the AKA team and the Black House fighters have.
I can understand it to an extent but,at the end of the day,if two guys from the same team are 1+2 or even 2+3 in the division and elimination fights are needed,they should have it in their contracts that they have to fight.
I know DW has mentioned this recently and i hope they address this issue and i don’t have to listen to Jon Fitch coming out with “the only place we fight is in the gym” talk again.
If you spar hard anyway,why not step it up a notch and make some money while you’re at it.

by Matt Mosley on Sep 3, 2010 4:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Here's the problem.

A loss hurts negotiating power with the UFC and with sponsorships. If Fitch and Koscheck fight, then they are guaranteed to take food off the other guys table. I know that I couldn’t do that to a friend.

That’s not even touching on the fact that they can’t train together for a fight and one man would have to uproot himself from the gym and go somewhere unfamiliar with new coaches, being at a disadvantage because of it.

Also there’s the fact that MMA gyms become damn near family. Alpha Male takes it to an extreme by actually owning several houses on the same block and living with each other, but it’s just an exaggeration of what nearly every gym is like. The guys go out together, vacation together, help each other through tough times… it’s a trusting support structure.

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by pdl on Sep 3, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then some guys need to accept that they will not get high profile fights. No point in having both Fitch and Koscheck face top guys if they won’t fight. You end up with a bottleneck at the top of the division.

So if Koscheck wins, Fitch might just find himself playing gatekeeper to the UFC newbies. Why have him play spoiler?

by Lynchman on Sep 3, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is a very telling insight into how the UFC works with the fighters under contract to them. Some fighters get some options — for example, Rich Franklin and Forrest Griffin apparently had the latitude to turn down a bout with Jon Jones.

First there really isn’t anything that insightfull about this, second where in the article does it even suggest that Franklin or Forrest are ducking fights.

See this is what I mean when people are reaching, Forrest and Rich have fought everyone the UFC wanted them to fight. This myth that keeps popping up needs to stop, Jones isn’t some god and guys aren’t running around hiding from him seriously enough is enough.

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cause what's your Rampage to Rashad Evans/"
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by Nightwhistler on Sep 3, 2010 4:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Don't think he ever said "ducking"

Just that they (Rich and Forrest) turned down fighting Jon Bones. Rich I’m not sure about, but I remember reading Forrest talk about Bones not too long ago and it was pretty obvious to me he didn’t want any part of that fight.

by Snipes on Sep 3, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Forrest also said...

that Little Nog was an absolute worst match up for him because of both style and the fact that they had trained together…yet he still signed for the fight.

I seriously doubt that Forrest would turn down a fight due to fear of a loss, else he would have ran before the Anderson fight, not afterward.

I like Fedor, it’s just his fans that are intolerable...and his management.

by Razreshat on Sep 3, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly, who at 205 isn’t a bad style matchup for Forrest besides the old guys (Chuck, Tito, Rich)? Forrest has turned down fights, the Jones matchup was pretty much a done deal until Forrest decided it wasn’t worth the risk.

by ufc4 on Sep 4, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Forrest said at the end of his rant about how bad Jones would kick his ass that he would still fight him, and really he said very similar things about Anderson and still took that fight anyway. Forrest’s whole line of thinking for the Bones fight was basically “it couldn’t be worse then Anderson.”

Josh Barnett is a thrice proven juicer with a pro wrestling mindset and a personality that would lead you to believe he's never had a romantic encounter that didn’t start with "you gotta pay me upfront."

by Fake Emcee on Sep 3, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Forest basically says that about everyone.

“Jonathan Goulet? Man that guy would totally whup my ass, I must be dumb as shit but I took the fight anyway.”

Guillotine.

by iiowyn on Sep 3, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is worth noting that it is not the UFC making somebody fight, but rather them offering a fight. If you say no, you don’t fight at that time.

“They usually give you A or B or C and you get to choose. But sometimes they just give you A, and either you take the fight or you don’t. But in general with the UFC, they tell you who they want you to fight.”

Look at the bold print, that says it all.

by Lynchman on Sep 3, 2010 6:55 PM EDT reply actions  

How is this different from any other promotion?? With the exception of that Strikeforce, and others usually have to clear their schedule against Dream, and other promotions to make sure their fighters are not fighting there?

by dpk875 on Sep 4, 2010 12:10 AM EDT reply actions  

That picture...

makes Joe Silva look like some obscure diplomat at the U.N.

I like Fedor, it’s just his fans that are intolerable...and his management.

by Razreshat on Sep 4, 2010 6:38 AM EDT reply actions  

Joe Silva reactions are always awesome.

I always find myself watching him during the replays rather than the fighters.

by Steve4192 on Sep 4, 2010 2:00 PM EDT reply actions  

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