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Manny Pacquiao Reveals Interest in Fighting MMA

From BoxingScene.com (HT MMA.tv):

During a recent press conference, BoxingScene.com's Bill Emes and Michael Marley cornered Manny Pacquiao on the subject of Mixed Martial Arts. Pacquiao said he watched MMA and UFC, but said it was "too brutal" when asked for his thoughts on the sport.

When asked if he would ever consider trying his hand at Mixed Martial Arts, Pacquiao replied to BoxingScene - "I want to, but they [promters and management] don't want me to fight."

He said if promoter Bob Arum of Top Rank and adviser Michael Koncz said it was okay, he would consider entering the cage. Michael Koncz cut in at that point and told Pacquiao - "you know that you could do what you want."

I'm sure that Pacquiao's promoters would never let him near a UFC cage except for one thing -- there really aren't many big money pay days left for Pacquiao in boxing. Floyd Mayweather seems bent on ducking him and blowing the biggest boxing bout of the young century. Manny is already reduced to fighting Antonio Margarito, a man who has been caught loading his gloves -- the most dangerous cheat in boxing. 

In three to five years if Mayweather still hasn't been convinced to get into the ring with Pacquiao -- or if he does and is beaten by Pac -- I wouldn't think it completely outside the realm of possibility that he does an MMA fight. If the UFC wanted to really break some PPV records or make a big splash in the Philippines, booking a Pacquiao MMA fight would be a sure fire ticket.

If I were Pac and his handlers, I'd want at least 18 months to train for MMA and a couple of build up fights against guys with limited grappling abilities before facing anyone really formidable. But even in the best case scenario, I don't see Pac ever being an MMA champ in a major promotion and any losses he took in the cage would inevitably damage his brand value and that of boxing as a whole.

But if boxing can't provide the epic matchups worthy of such a great and popular fighter, maybe its time as the pre-eminent world wide combat sport are drawing to a close.

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Are there any MMA fighters out there willing to call him out? Jose Aldo? lol

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by xFenixKnightx on Sep 3, 2010 1:03 PM EDT reply actions  

This is stupid. Pacquiao has no more of a chance than Toney. Put him up against Shane Roller or something and see what happens in another boxing mma mashup.

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by frosnt1 on Sep 3, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anthony Njokuani

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by Anthony Pace on Sep 3, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

initially

I would agree with you but Manny isn’t a fool like James Toney. If Manny were to do this then he would probably take it much more serious than Toney. GSP trained with Freddie Roach so I’m sure Manny could hook up with Firas Zahabi and they’d be able to evaluate his talent. This is probably an off the cuff remark more than a serious one. He’s made so much money that if he comes to MMA his payday is going to be 6-10 times less than what he’s used to not to mention that he would be fighting much more often. Plus he has a country to run!

by mmaaddict on Sep 3, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pipe dream.

Not even worth talking about.

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by lowellthehammer on Sep 3, 2010 1:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, pretty much, party pooper… =/ lol

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by xFenixKnightx on Sep 3, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like the idea even if it isn't gonna happen.

I would say it is about 50/50 that we will see one of these guys in a cage before they disappear. It may not be while they are in their prime, but there would be money to be made and money talks. When there is no one else to make big money against in boxing, one of these guys will make an attempt.

by truck on Sep 3, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m guessing the man doesn’t want to take 18 months off and then make 20% or less of his boxing purse. Maybe if he can hold the Fertittas up for $20 million. Otherwise, it makes zero sense.

by Jonathan Snowden on Sep 3, 2010 1:06 PM EDT reply actions  

You dont think Dana would pay hime 2-5 mill? I mean the PPV#s would be out the roof.

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by xFenixKnightx on Sep 3, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, the PPV numbers would be huge.

If the UFC added Brock Lesnar to the card, it would probably surpass 2 million.

by truck on Sep 3, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just by himself it would cross 2M pretty easily I would think

Every Pacquiao fan would tune in and every MMA fan would want to watch if he legitimately took the 18 months to prepare properly.

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by joker24 on Sep 3, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pac draws 700k.

Brock is significantly a bigger pay per view draw than Manny and does it for less pay. GSP is about on par.

There is absolutely no conceivable way to justify wanting Manny in MMA. It doesn’t make business sense, it won’t be competitive since he has zero grappling grappling experience, and there will not be an entertaining fight.

This obsession with boxers crossing over is like being upset that Jimi Hendrix never played xylophone with the Moscow Philharmonic Orchestra. It’s still music, should be cool to see him excel in another venue, right?

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by pdl on Sep 3, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with your sentiment

But c’mon. Brock is not a bigger draw than Pacquiao.

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by Anthony Pace on Sep 3, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude, yeah he is.

Brock supporting UFC 116 with no other draws did over a million PPV buys. Manny supporting his fight with Clottey, who isn’t a draw really, did about 700k. Brock sells more PPVs than the PacMan. That’s the troof.

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by pdl on Sep 3, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brock had support

It was the UFC branding on the PPV poster. You think Brock sells 1+ Million against Bigfoot on “Donald Trump’s Gold-plated MMA”?

Even my mother knew Pac-Clottey was a garbage matchup and it did 700k

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by Anthony Pace on Sep 3, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

UFC + Dana = only way to draw in MMA.

But that is a guaranteed 275-300k buys. Everything on top of that is pure star power. So Brock added north of 700k buys to the show.

I can concede that Brock is either equal to or not markedly greater than Manny as a PPV attraction. But he does it at 15-20% of the cost, generously assuming he gets 5 mil after his bonus and his opponent makes under 100k. Meaning my initial point of bringing Pacquiao to MMA is still an awful business decision.

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by pdl on Sep 3, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agreed with your point

But that 15-20% idea doesn’t exactly correlate. I don’t think it’s a stretch to consider fighters like Pac and Floyd sort of their own entities. Their matches are largely offerings of “the Manny Pacquiao product” or something along those lines, not exactly the “UFC product”. Brock is part of a larger, over-arching thing. Pacquiao is presented largely ahead of Top Rank, where as Brock + UFC is a packaged deal. Dana White’s name attached to a fight means more than Bob Arum. If you say “Top Rank” to the average sports fan, they’ll look at you like “WTF??” but if you say “UFC”, that garners recognition.

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by Anthony Pace on Sep 3, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right, and about 300k worth of buys.

But you can’t sit there and tell me the difference between UFC 109 and UFC 116 buyrates were because people like bigger numbers more. They still need content for each and every buy over 300k, and when Brock Lesnar is the content, his value add is equal to Manny’s overall value and at a fraction of the price.

There’s no way just justify wanting Manny in the UFC, and you know that’s the only place they could pay enough to get him in to MMA.

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by pdl on Sep 3, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude...

Lesnar has been on PPV without promotional branding like the UFC has previously and it didn’t draw at all.

Lesnar MAY be a bigger PPV draw than Pac (I don’t think he is) but if he is it’s very minor.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 3, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can't use a freak show making his MMA debut three years ago as a point of comparison.

We’re talking about a guy who is now ranked number one in the world at heavyweight, not a debuting pro wrestler fighting a dude on a three fight skid.

You’re not seeing the forest for the trees. The cost benefit of Manny being on a UFC card is dismal.

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by pdl on Sep 3, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Come on.

Pacquiao vs. Cotto did upwards of 1.5 million buys. The Clottey PPV dip was because of the anger towards Pacquiao vs. Mayweather not happening. If that fight ever happened (about as likely as Manny doing MMA), it would blow any Brock fight out of the water, no matter who is supporting him.

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by WarToney on Sep 3, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Huh?

Pretty sure the dip was because of Clottey. Mayweather/Mosley did 1+ mill a couple months after the Pac-Clottey fight.

Also, I think Pac/Cotto did around 1.2 million.

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by Anthony Pace on Sep 3, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

The article I found had posted 1.5

but I’m not arguing who’s the bigger draw, Mayweather or Pacquiao. Anyone who says Pacquiao is kidding themselves, but to argue that Manny isn’t the biggest individual combat sports draw outside of PBF is silly.

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by WarToney on Sep 3, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Manny vs. Mayweather happens this year, it kills any card the UFC could put on.

I have no idea where you got the impression that I’d disagree with that.

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by pdl on Sep 3, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe I jumped too far...

but Pacquiao is 1/2 of that fight, so are you arguing he wouldn’t carry that drawing power to the UFC, where if he did it correctly, interest level would be even higher due to the curiosity factor seems unlikely. Manny has boxed 56 times professionally and still draws, you don’t think his first MMA bout would be an even bigger deal?

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by WarToney on Sep 3, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Manny is number one or two (depending who you talk to) pound for pound in the world in boxing.

He’s 0-0, unranked, and untrained in MMA. A sport that draws less mainstream attention than boxing and lots of people will never watch ever because they think it’s just too violent.

No, I don’t think Manny being in the UFC does the same amount of buys as Manny boxing anybody in the top 10 of whatever division he decides to be in that day.

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by pdl on Sep 3, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's no way [to] justify wanting Manny in the UFC

Wasn’t arguing that, homeboy. Just can’t agree with you that Manny is less of a draw than Brock.

Lemme ask you this: do you think Lesnar-Velasquez, outside of the UFC, draws anything remotely close to Pac-Margarito if the fights take place on the same night?

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by Anthony Pace on Sep 3, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's different industries, and an incongruous comparison.

But if you want to go down this road, then I can equally support a claim that Dana White is a bigger draw than Floyd Mayweather.

The straight answer to your question though, is obviously not.

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by pdl on Sep 3, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't draw the first comparison mate

But I think for intangible adjustments, Pac is bigger than Lesnar. That’s just domestically. It’s no contest internationally

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by Anthony Pace on Sep 3, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do think that Dana would pay him $2 million with no questions asked. But since he’s made a lot 8 figure paydays that might seem pretty pedestrian.

by Jonathan Snowden on Sep 3, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

It'd probably be the most top-heavy card they ever did

Basically no other big-money earners on the card

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by Anthony Pace on Sep 3, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

So no different from UFC 116 or 114?

by John Nash on Sep 3, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean...

probably not even guys with a Leben or Akiyama salary

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by Anthony Pace on Sep 3, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Think, the UFC could load an undercard with 20 fighters getting 100 K each and if they sold 700k ppvs, even after they paid all their other expenses, they’d still easily have over $15 mil to pay the headliners and pocket the rest.

by John Nash on Sep 3, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Weren’t you doing an article on some of these hard numbers?

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by Anthony Pace on Sep 3, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Am I the only who thinks Pac wouldn’t draw that many buys in MMA? I’m sure he’d do good ratings on CBS or something but i’m his boxing drawing power would carry over that well.

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by frosnt1 on Sep 3, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know about a breakdown of all the hard numbers, but yeah, I actually have a couple of interviews I’ve done, but I have to actually go through the notes and type it up. That’s hard when you’re lazy like me.

by John Nash on Sep 3, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

While it's relatively low compared to normal pay

I think being the type of man he is he would take a pay cut to challenge himself on another level.

by menckenstein on Sep 3, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Check this out, dude

There’s more to life than money. Some guys just want to fight and some guys just want to compete and win at anything and everything, money or no money. If the guy is already financially set for life and still has a serious competitive drive, why not give MMA a go?

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by IKilled007 on Sep 3, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

He is misunderstanding “some” fighters at worst.

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by spectaa on Sep 3, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not every single fighter.

There ar plenty of fighters that want to just compete, to have fun. It really isnt always about the money.

by EvolutionMMA on Sep 3, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

FYI

For Pacman it IS about the money now……he is supposedly asking for $22,500,001 for his upcoming fight just to spite Mayweather….thats one dollar more than Mayweather was guaranteed for his last fight…Pacman’s ego has inflated with all the recognition he’s been getting lately….no way he’s taking a pay cut to fight MMA.

by ultimoshogun on Sep 3, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I Didnt Know That

But it sounds like that could be a more of spite Floyd not a general behavior he shows. At this point after all the crap Floyd has put him through maybe its just Floyd he is doing this with.

For all we know he could agree to 3 mil flat and a PPV bonus after 1 million buys.

by EvolutionMMA on Sep 3, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

But how many of those guys

Have generational money like Paq does?

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by BigDNotDallas on Sep 3, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

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by GOLDIGGAH on Sep 3, 2010 1:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Manny is full of shit.

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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 3, 2010 1:09 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Why?

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by mma is #1 on Sep 3, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cause he knows what a terrible idea that would be.

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by jemaleddin on Sep 3, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

WHY would it be a terrible idea? This could very well end up drawing huge money.

by jjhh05 on Sep 3, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did you watch UFC 118?

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by donkeypunch on Sep 3, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why are you comparing a has been to someone in his prime?

by jjhh05 on Sep 4, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think he's:

a) comparing the drawing power of a boxer in MMA (less than expected), and
b) comparing the results of two guys with no experience with wrestling or grappling.

In addition: who gives a shit how much money it draws? Do you work for Zuffa? Do you think that a one-hit-wonder event like that is good for the sport?

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by jemaleddin on Sep 6, 2010 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Too much rice with barbecue dog, AMIRITE?

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by Anthony Pace on Sep 3, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

it'd never ever happen

We have a saying back home that if your coming on, COME ON!!!!

by milk72 on Sep 3, 2010 1:10 PM EDT reply actions  

I think he could be successful.

Do I think it’s going to happen? No.

by Emoney on Sep 3, 2010 1:10 PM EDT reply actions  

How much could a Pacman fight sell. If Urijah Faber or Miguel Torres were was in the UFC, and they booked Manny against either of them, I could see it selling 2 million + ppvs easily. MMA/UFC fans + Boxing fans + the curious = a lot of potential ppvs buys. So the fight could probably generate close to $100 million in revenue for the Zuffa. Would they give pacman $20 or $30 million do to it? Would he ask for even more? I think Zuffa would have to be willing to go as high as 50%, even if that means they made very little, the advertising, expansion and publicity it would garner would be worth it.

And then the question is would Manny do it for 10’s of millions?

by John Nash on Sep 3, 2010 1:12 PM EDT reply actions  

oh man

this would be epic if he entered the cage, pure awesomeness…

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by Orcus on Sep 3, 2010 1:12 PM EDT reply actions  

No it wouldn't.

Manny, please for the love of god do not fight MMA. Go be the best in the world at what you’re the best in the world at.

I don’t care about Michael Phelps playing water polo and I don’t give a shit about boxers crossing over to MMA.

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by pdl on Sep 3, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

come on pdl

just yesterday you were talking about how the WEC guys didn’t get enough respect, can you imagine how much impact Manny would make in their divisions? and also in MMA in general? It would be huge!

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by Orcus on Sep 3, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

No. Because it's stupid.

Manny is not an MMA fighter. He has no wrestling background. Get Kermit Cintron and we’ll talk but nobody else.

This has nothing to do with the WEC. It would be an awful mismatch and a freak show. Just because he’s in shape doesn’t mean he’s any good at MMA. I want Him to be the best in the world at what he does, not a middling Houston Alexander clone in MMA.

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by pdl on Sep 3, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

and that's where we disagree

I like freakshows every now and then, and if it can help the MMA community as a whole in the long run then I love them.

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by Orcus on Sep 3, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

Cintron is the guy I want to see and he is the perfect candidate. Top level boxer who is just short of being amongst the best. In the prime. Good wrestling background.

The problem is, he is a legit threat, not a freakshow.

by BJJDenver on Sep 3, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

he'd just be a faster Robbie Findley

which means he’d be terrible

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by Anthony Pace on Sep 3, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

i cant think of any fw that he would fight

everyone in the WEC that ican think of has a dirty ground game and would sub pac inside a round

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by milk72 on Sep 3, 2010 1:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Jens Pulver

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by Austin Martin on Sep 3, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's a huge name and would draw really big

And Pulver would try to be fan friendly and end up standing, stupidly.

My other vote would be Garcia

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by Austin Martin on Sep 3, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

also the Korean Zombie

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by Austin Martin on Sep 3, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can see Pac Man knocking out Bad Boy and The Korean Zombie. That is of course if they don’t take it to the ground.

by davidm1122 on Sep 3, 2010 1:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

If BJ was still on top of his game, aka still training with Marinovich and he could cut to 145 imagine how big that fight would be?

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by xFenixKnightx on Sep 3, 2010 1:17 PM EDT reply actions  

i'd take a 150 catchweight

The extra 5 might be easier for BJ

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by Austin Martin on Sep 3, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

it won't happen, unless

the UFC pulls in the lighter weight classes, and pays him at least 10 mill. plus gives him a cookie cutter first fight.

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by Austin Martin on Sep 3, 2010 1:17 PM EDT reply actions  

It'd be cool to see

I dont see it happening though

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by II SMASH II on Sep 3, 2010 1:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Sure, Pacquiao its going to put in risk his healt for 500,000 when he is making 30 millions a fight in boxing. Dumb post.

by Bichorudo on Sep 3, 2010 1:22 PM EDT reply actions  

reading comprehension fail

I was pretty clear in saying he’d only do it if/when all his big money boxing matches are done.
And obviously they’d have to pay him what he’s making in boxing now, if not more.
I think it’d be worth it.

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by Kid Nate on Sep 3, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

imagine the UFC's first PPV in the phillipines

with Pacman on it.

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by Austin Martin on Sep 3, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

there's already a huge MMA fanbase here...

There are more MMA fans than boxing fans here…Filipinos aren’t Boxing fans, BUT majority are Pacquiao fans. (huge difference)

by Anton Tabuena on Sep 4, 2010 2:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Even if they pay him 3 millions, still its a no no for pacquiao. unless he is old an fat like toney. Then maybe he fights but nobody its going to care for that fight. Big paydays in mma make big paydays in boxing laugh out loud.

by Bichorudo on Sep 3, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

The UFC will have the money

to make it worthwhile. Give him 10 mill flat and a percentage of the PPV. It can be done.

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by Austin Martin on Sep 3, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still a no no. A loss its going to ruin Pacquiao reputation.

Maybe when he lose 2 or 3 fights in a row in boxing. Then we talk about Pacquiao signing a contract to lose a fight.

by Bichorudo on Sep 3, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is just stupid logic.

If he loses, then he doesnt have the same drawing power, and won’t be able to command the same money.

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by Austin Martin on Sep 3, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

3 millions, you say?

What about… 5 millions?

by Brent Ducharme on Sep 3, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes yours is

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by II SMASH II on Sep 3, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

The most intriguing fight

Would be with Jose Aldo. Aldo can surely submit him very easily, but if Aldo decides to stand up with Pacquiao he def has a chance. I can’t think of any other fw that could present a challenge to Pacquiao standing.

The fight that would make the most money though, would be with Urijah Faber. Both Pac Man and Faber are extremely marketable and have a big fanbase. Would make a good fight too.

by davidm1122 on Sep 3, 2010 1:22 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

You really can't give him anyone with a shred of grappling acumen

That rules out Faber, Brown, Aldo, Manny, basically anyone in the top of FW.

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by Austin Martin on Sep 3, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sadly, I completely agree. Someone with the talent of Pac Man would have been great in mma. Fortunately, he has provided some great fights and moments in boxing.

by davidm1122 on Sep 3, 2010 1:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The whole point of the fight is to see whether or not he can be put up against anyone with a shred of grappling acumen, although it would be a little interesting to watch him against a high level kick boxer as well.

by Forte Gemello on Sep 6, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Might be worth noting that at the end of the original article they said it was hard to tell if he was joking or not. I’m guessing he said this with a chuckle and a big grin…as great as it would be to see Pacquiao try his hand at MMA…it won’t ever happen.

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by Kaleb Kelchner on Sep 3, 2010 1:27 PM EDT reply actions  

What doesn’t Manny say with a big grin. He was cheesing from ear to ear on his way to the ring to fight Clottey.

"I trained with Steven Seagal."

by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 3, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Id be smiling like a kid on christmas if I was about to make a few million

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by II SMASH II on Sep 3, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

No. I don't see it happening.

But if it does feed him Brandon Vera ’cause you know….Pacquiao could win that.

Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.

by SSreporters on Sep 3, 2010 1:27 PM EDT reply actions  

“It’s too violent for me but it’s a sport that should be recognized. It’s a great sport but not the sport for me.” – Manny back in May. With these quotes only a few months apart, it’s hard to really grasp what Manny’s feelings in actual MMA competition are. The “Boxing vs. UFC” debate seemed to end when the MMA universe watched James Toney’s head nearly pop off, and we learned that aside from not learning any TDD, Toney did not learn how to tap out. Manny is a different story however, he’s a man that seems to have not even reached his full potential with wins over tough, tough competition. He is also a fine tuned Thai kickboxer, which would obviously carry over nicely.

I don’t expect Manny to come into our sport anytime soon or anywhere near his prime but with his limited options left in boxing, where can he go? Mayweather would rather make racist rants about Manny, than sign on the dotted line. He is expected to walk right through Margacheato in a few months (lolseewhatididthere?), and who else is left? He knocked out Cotto seemingly without too much problem, yet a rematch was in the works. Let’s cross our fingers and hope he doesn’t care about the money anymore and wants to prove he’s afraid of no man, cares more about the competition than his record, and shows what a real fighter is (looking at you, Floyd)

If Manny announced a UFC/WEC debut, Manny wouldn’t be the only person to make this face:

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by Nick Thomas on Sep 3, 2010 1:38 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

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“ZOMG Mayweather finally signed the deal?!?!?”

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by Damon O. on Sep 3, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

It’s his reaction to watching his first Justin Bieber video

by DirtyML on Sep 3, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m sure that Pacquiao’s promoters would never let him near a UFC cage except for one thing — there really aren’t many big money pay days left for Pacquiao in boxing. Floyd Mayweather seems bent on ducking him and blowing the biggest boxing bout of the young century. Manny is already reduced to fighting Antonio Margarito, a man who has been caught loading his gloves — the most dangerous cheat in boxing.

He’s fighting a guy in his promotion’s stable. I mean, I hate the fight but it wasn’t that there were no options left.

Every fight for Manny for the rest of his career is a big money pay day and there are plenty more fights for him to take.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 3, 2010 1:38 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

There were no options left at his current weight class

He’d have to move up again.

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by Matthew Roth on Sep 3, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

(Not being a prick) Are you saying that there are fights out there for Manny because he is a draw for fight fans or are you saying that there are challenging fights out there for Manny Pacquiao where he might lose (i.e.— Mayweather).

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by ChicagoMarine on Sep 3, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pacquiao is not some unbeatable beast. He’s great, don’t get me wrong. Most people whose opinion I greatly respect think he should have lost a fight 6 fights ago. So I don’t think there are “no fights” available for him where he’ll get tested.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 3, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Both....

Margarito has a real chance of upsetting Pacman…..another good fight would be against Timothy Bradley and the biggest of course being Mayweather….There’s just too much money for him to make in boxing, he’s never doing MMA

by ultimoshogun on Sep 3, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d even be interested in Manny against Mosley even though Shane’s best days are in the past.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 3, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mayweather, Mosely, Andre Berto, Paul Williams. Any of those would get me excited.

by John Nash on Sep 3, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup, any of those guy’s would make for exciting fights….might as well throw Sergio Martinez in the mix too.

by ultimoshogun on Sep 3, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

This....

And Amir Khan in a year or two, Sergio Martinez, Juan Manuel Marquez deserves his re-match…. And every fight outside of Floyd Mayweather, Manny has all the leverage and can get 8 figures easy…. These guys only fight twice a year; there are plenty of fights to keep him busy.

And if Dana won’t co-promote with other people in his own industry, do you really think he would with the dirtbags of boxing into his house? Not a chance….

Would love to see it though. Kermit Cintron has the best chance to cross-over (has collegiate wrestling scholarship offers and obviously top-shelf hands), and is open to it, but doesn’t have the name to get him a boxing type payday.

I still can’t wait to see true world class hands in the cage.

by Karate_Kid on Sep 3, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I want to see more strikers cross over.

Mirko remains one of my favorite fighters because he brought high level striking and built good TDD and grappling defense on it. I’d like to see more from K-1 in MMA. Boxing too.

by Rufford on Sep 3, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Every fight for Manny for the rest of his career is a big money pay day and there are plenty more fights for him to take.

I was about to say the same thing.

by Anton Tabuena on Sep 4, 2010 2:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

A fight with Wladimir Kiltschko makes more sense. Pacquiao its a beast when he wants to move up in weight. :D

by Bichorudo on Sep 3, 2010 1:50 PM EDT reply actions  

I think Manny would be more likely to focus on his 8th title than come into MMA and start all over at his age. 31 is “young” but not that young when you consider he’s been boxing for 15 years, and would have to learn a lifetime on the ground.

by DirtyML on Sep 3, 2010 1:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Would love to see Manny in 4oz gloves, but

it’s been said already, the money makes it pointless. Plus against any good, smart fighter, he’ll be on his back or clinched up fast. He’ll have to earn his right to punch.

by Revolver on Sep 3, 2010 2:02 PM EDT reply actions  

I’d like to see Brock Lesnar in K1

by IronMonkey13 on Sep 3, 2010 2:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Brock lesnar's first fight was in K1

Look it up…….technically………::

by RoB_ex on Sep 3, 2010 2:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Doh

Technically give me Semmy Schilt vs. Brock Lesnar kickboxiging rules

by IronMonkey13 on Sep 3, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

How old is Manny?

If he started training BJJ right now, he would have a good chance of doing well. BJJ, some effective kicks, knees and elbows…..2 years of training would be good for a entry level gig.

by Ragnar808 on Sep 3, 2010 2:19 PM EDT reply actions  

I think he's about 30

But on Stickam and Chatroulette she’s 18

by menckenstein on Sep 3, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’ll be 32 in december. 15.5 years of pro boxing ages a guy though.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 3, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is the problem....

A Fighter’s prime is not long enough to reach the mountaintop in boxing and then start over in MMA…. What I think is more likely is you have a guy like Alister Overeem (applied to boxing in this case) who has moderate success in both sports and then develops his tools in conjunction along the way to be a top guy in each.

by Karate_Kid on Sep 3, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

KJ Noons is the only guy trying to do that with boxing but obviously James Countryman kind of proved he’s got a way to go to be a “top guy” in boxing.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 3, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

plus he's a workhorse and runs everyday

eventually that’ll reak havoc on his leg joints

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by Austin Martin on Sep 3, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are all you motherfuckers forgetting what Roger Mayweather told us?

Pacquiao is on that A-side meth. You can’t just take down a man who is on A-side meth!

by Brent Ducharme on Sep 3, 2010 2:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Ducking?

Yeah the guy who says blood work 21 days is ok but not 14 days? Dude is scared of getting caught.

by Brent Nahmias on Sep 3, 2010 2:45 PM EDT reply actions  

catch up son.

Manny already agreed to having it done anytime before the fight.

by Anton Tabuena on Sep 4, 2010 2:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Other boxers have entered MMA with reasonable success. If Pac did it, he’d have to do it right. Train grappling for a few years, not a few months. He’ll never become a ground wizard in time, but he may be able to get good enough to succeed against less-than-elite grapplers.

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by Thor77 on Sep 3, 2010 2:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Dear Manny,

Two words: outside single.

Love,

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by jemaleddin on Sep 3, 2010 4:01 PM EDT reply actions  

you are a saucy flirt

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by Austin Martin on Sep 3, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, after reading about Floyd Jr.s new racist tirade against Manny

I don’t even know what to think

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by Chris Barton on Sep 3, 2010 4:11 PM EDT reply actions  

I think it is a knee jerk reaction to Lights Out failing that has people dismissing Pac

Toney failed miserably but he was a stationary boxer whose biggest weapons was his ability to stand in front of opponents, avoid their power and counter. Plus he is well past his prime and obviously did not have any respect for the sport.

Pac has great movement and footwork to go with his excellent punching power. If any boxer was going to come and have success without any MMA training, looking to apply only his boxing skills, Pac has the best skill set to do so.

Pac has the speed to avoid takedowns with his footwork and he has the strength and power to get opponents of his size off of him when they clinch him up. He doesn’t need a ground game, he just needs to avoid the ground. Anderson Silva went years without being taken down and he primarily used speed and footwork to do it. Pac could be very similiar to him. In fact I think his best chance of success would be to train for two years with Silva, Machida and the Nog brothers. I think they’d give him the tools he needed to acquit himself very well in the sport.

by Luke Nelson on Sep 3, 2010 4:16 PM EDT reply actions  

I think that Pac Man would take more readily to grappling than Toney ever could

It seems that little guys always have an easier time adjusting to JJ because they’re more flexible and have better gas tanks. All Manny would have to do is develop a sufficient guard to threaten and scramble, and get lessons in wall walking. You are correct that he has much better footwork than an average brawler would, but he hasn’t trained his legs against leg kicks. So if you have an above average kick boxer, they could diminish his mobility with repeated leg kicks.

Although, I know there is a specific style of kickboxing that comes from the phillipines right? Anyone know if Manny has any background in that? Anton?

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by Austin Martin on Sep 3, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who in the UFC LW division is an above average kick boxer?

I mean there are a few guys who come to mind, like Florian, but the division is filled with wrestler-boxers and grapplers. If he could somehow learn to avoid the takedown he’d outstrike them all.

by Luke Nelson on Sep 3, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just crossed my mind that

If the Pac Man ever did decide to cage fight, he would have the best sparring partners available. All the top MMA guys train or want to train with Freddie Roach. He could spar with Benivedez, Cruz, Torres, Faber, Aldo etc. Practically any fighter would love to work with Manny. Roach knows the people who can get Manny in the best possible position both in terms of training and promoting. I’m sure he would put together a first rate MMA training camp centered around Manny. Then find him a bum.

I doubt it will ever happen. I don’t think there’s any real motivation for Pacquiao to try MMA, but if he did, it would be anything like James Toney’s ‘attempt’.

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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 3, 2010 6:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Why doesn't he start training

and then take a few fights outside of the UFC (like Lesnar did) then if it works bring him to the UFC.

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by Dr.Glaze on Sep 3, 2010 7:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh yeah, what is that belief based on, experience?

i don’t think so, we haven’t seen a top level in prime Boxer in the UFC YET.

by Forte Gemello on Sep 6, 2010 3:48 PM EDT reply actions  

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