New York Assemblyman, Bob Reilly Talks MMA - "Violence Is Not Good for Our Society"
A heated conversation ensues when Inside MMA discusses legalizing MMA in NY… Don’t miss a two part interview with Bob Reilly, the New York State Assemblyman who is most vocal legislator in NY that is against MMA.Inside MMA airs tonight at 9:00 PM EST on HDNet.
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This dude is do full of shit. It is dissingenuous to pretent that football, hockey, boxing and wrestling are not violent, yet mma is. Even most original olympic sports (javelin, discus, ets) have deep roots in combat.
So the purpose of MMA is to damage your opponent?
Somebody please relay this message to Jon Fitch
by TyTy on Sep 3, 2010 9:17 AM EDT reply actions 6 recs
That's right Bobby boy.
A standing eight count or two followed by more heavy blows won’t do any damage. /sarcasm
He’s good. For the uninformed he makes a very compelling argument. He sounds as if he admires Mixed Martial Arts on some level, then presents his counter argument. This makes it sound as if he’s looked at both ends of the argument with no bias then made his judgement. Obviously, this is not the case, as he is presenting stereotypes in his arguments (fighter safety). Hell of a salesman.
You do realize.
That it’s his job to sound like he knows what he’s talking about without having the appropriate knowledge base right?
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by WarToney on Sep 3, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Of course. But just because it’s his job, it doesn’t mean he has to be good at it. Being a politician doesn’t automatically grant you the ability to be a great speaker. He happens to have a silver tongue and I can appreciate that.
While you're right...
Good politicians make my skin crawl. The ability to sway people’s opinions about a topic he may not even be passionate about is a dangerous thing.
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2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.
by WarToney on Sep 3, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I absolutely agree
It’s eerie. Everything from his inflection, to the pacing of is words… he is a master at his craft. That’s a scary thing indeed.
Well
you have to agree, the quote, “violence is not good for our society”, is correct. But thats the only claim to righteousness he can use. The rest of his arguments are uninformed and foolish at best.
yeah
I sort of agree. The key point is education. Once you educate people about the sport, they will understand that just because violence is not good, it does not mean that MMA should not be legal. That’s what eventually happened in Ontario.
I don't agree that "violence is not good for our society."
I think we need more violence – it’s like Mark Twain said:
"The trouble ain’t that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain’t distributed right."
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ.
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by jemaleddin on Sep 3, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
That you've noticed.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ.
I blog at TangleBones - you should follow me on Twitter here.
If you like it, you should put a rec on it.
Ironic, as being a politician is about manipulating that lightning
Fuck Mark Twain. :)
If Zuffa was based out of New York
He’d have no problem gobbling the collective dongs of Dana & the Fertittas.
Berkshire Hathaway is rumoured to be buying Tapout he’ll have no problem gobbling the dongs of Warren Buffett and Bill Gates.
by MattParker117 on Sep 3, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't agree with the morality of the argument
but I thought he set up and presented his points well.
I truly believe this man is seeking to remain relevant and is using MMA as his vehicle.
He isn’t even looking for financial supporters (or is he?) and he isn’t the first to ride a cause to the forefront of the daily headlines.
In short order, the man is a Fame whore.
by JAYGK95 on Sep 3, 2010 9:43 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
A politician who isn't looking for financial supporters?
Come on…
Moisture is the essence of wetness.
Bob has always been ignorant. That’s why he’s not very well liked amongst his colleagues.
by skyhawkmd on Sep 3, 2010 10:20 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
He wants to CONTROL the violence in every sport...
That’s all you need to hear folks.
Big Momma govt wants to tell you what to eat, how to live, who you can marry, who should be taxed in such a such a way to help others while sacrificing your own life…..and in this case, they want to tell adults how they should conduct sports…even though they are consenting adults and they know full well they are FIGHTING….or playing football where it’s totally violent yet that’s on every Saturday and Sunday!
Stop controlling people and protect their individual rights and that includes the right to Prize Fight if they want to!!! And don’t tell me what I can watch or not watch you FOOL!
He also made a bad analogy about the highway. You drive to get places, you have two roads going in opposite directions so people can drive safely. The point is to GO SOMEWHERE….not to COLLIDE.
When you fight the POINT is to damage someone….hence collision. If you combine various martial arts, you increase your ability to damage someone.
Teach this man logic 101 please.
It's fairly standard political rhetoric
Say something that sounds like everyone should agree with then attach your position to the first statement even though the two don’t really go together.
“Violence Is Not Good for Our Society”. Well sometimes it is and sometimes it isn’t. If you’re using violence to rape someone then no it’s not. If you’re using violence to stop someone from raping then yes it is. Violence is a tool that is not inherently good or bad. Depends on the context.
Now he subtly tries to link criminal violence with sporting violence. Tries to imply that sporting violence creates criminal violence. Maybe it does maybe it doesn’t. But one thing is a fundamental fact of this world. People will use violence to attempt to dominate and control others. So the question becomes what are we going to do about it. Ask them to stop using violence and hope they comply or use violence to protect the vast majority of society that knows how to keep their hands to themselves? I tend to believe the you give the former one shot, it if doesn’t work, the latter is your only option.
Correct!
People forget that context is everything. Fire is bad for society…..IF it’s killing you and destroying your property….but not if it’s cooking your food.
What concerns me is the sheep out there who hear that political crap and fail to THINK about the context and wind up supporting a jerk like this. Yep, it’s politics and they are all like that……I can’t stand it.
Ronnie Lott
One of my favorite non-Redskins football players of all time, said that if it wasn’t for football, he’d be in jail for violent crimes.
What testosterone-deficient nannies like this guy fail to realize, is that violence and aggression are fundamental aspects of human nature. For thousands of years, we have created ritualized, rule-based competitions that allow us to express that nature.
He may lack that instinct, but that doesn’t give him the right to suppress it in others. Not in this country anyway.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Monte Fisto on Sep 3, 2010 10:22 AM EDT reply actions 8 recs
Similarly,
There are studies that show that crime rates drop when violent movies are in theaters. Violent people wont commit as many violent acts if they have an outlet.
"Deserve's got nothing to do with it." -Will Munny, a known thief and murderer, a man of notoriously vicious and intemperate disposition.
Even if MMA is a bloodsport solely designed to harm/injure
Who cares? If consenting adults want to watch other consenting adults all voluntarily partake in this, they should be able to. No ones being forced or coerced into anything so where does the government get off pretending it knows whats best for us?
Moisture is the essence of wetness.
That's not a helpful argument
The consenting adults line opens up other areas like prostitution and drugs — stuff that you may feel should be legalized, but where a lot of people are against, a lot more than are against MMA.
wait
You think more people support legalizing drugs than MMA?
When has consistency every been a major issue for the majority of American voters? Both of our parties are walking contradictions from policy to policy.
Moisture is the essence of wetness.
THEN GTFO OF IRAQ!
Facts don't come with points of view.
by Robert Livingston on Sep 3, 2010 10:49 AM EDT reply actions
Ummm... WHAT
Is this cracker serious? Is he trying to say Boxing ISNT violent? Someone please explain to me how getting punched in the head a few hundred times over 12 rounds isn’t violent, and then maybe I’ll lose to urge to choke this guy out…
"Every day gets better for me, you know what I'm saying? If anyone has a chance to beat me, it was yesterday..." - Kevin Ferguson
by bloodsportmmadotcom on Sep 3, 2010 11:19 AM EDT reply actions
This is the kind of shit that pisses me off. We want to prove that we’re a legitimate sport with a knowledgeable fanbase but when someone publicly states a case against the sport we go right to name calling and talking about how we’d like to do physical harm to him.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 3, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
dude have you ever met an Eagles fan.
Or a soccer fan? Wanting to bodily harm to someone for trashing your sport/team of said sport is the last step in making it legit. But what do I know? The only reason I don’t punch/ choke people when I am not at the gym is because I would go to jail.
by the-gentle-way on Sep 3, 2010 7:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Actually
He complained about the modern fascination with seeing KOs (especially of the punchface variety), as opposed to the supposed emphasis in amateur boxing (with headgear) on clean blows… so previously, he’s complained about the desire for violence in pro boxing too. Sounds more like a point fighting fan to me. :P
Let's take the violence out of combat sports!
Genius, pure genius. This man does not know his head from his ass; typical of the types of people we allow in office. I’m sure if the right amount of money found it’s way into his hands, he would suddenly be all for it. At least that’s the way it works with politicians here in New Orleans.
He's right!
This is the year 2010 and we have evolved beyond the need for violence. We should build robots to do the fighting for us. We can have MMA fighters on the outside controlling them and they can punch each other in the head till one pops off. We can call it “Rock ’em Sock ’em Robots!”
Oh wait we have that already and it is a game that is perfectly safe and acceptable for CHILDREN. He really needs to focus his attention on more important things than violence is bad therefore MMA is bad. For instance maybe he can try and find a way for NY politicians to follow society’s moral guidlines and not sleep with postitutes or have affairs.
Iv just been given a warning..
Bloody Elbow have just issued me with a warning because i posted a comment about a man who clearly does not care about MMA or its fans and is being highly ignorant and is trying to bash the sports credibility. I would like to apologise to Mr. Bob Reilly because my comments were said out of a love for the sport that I care a lot about. I actually love Bob and I hope that he one day decides that MMA and its fanbase will be good enough to grace Madison Square Garden where they have promoted many non violent Boxing matches and have been declared the home of the WWE where they have also promoted non sexually explicit story lines and non violent matches. I also would like to apologise to BloodyElbow and hope they will forgive me. thank you!
No need to apologize...
I gave you the warning, you weren’t crazy over the line and I get where you were coming from. I just think as fans of the sport we need to be careful that we represent it well even to those who have ill-informed opinions of it.
You’re good though man.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 3, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Cash is King
Mr. Reilly is clearly misinformed, has a hidden agenda or both. The NFL has been changing the rules of the game year after year under the auspices of "making the game safe." That is the party line but it is nonsense. The reason they have been changing the rules is money.
Take the rules that have been put in place since the mid eighties as they relate to what is considered legal hits to the Quarterback. It is not that the QB’s are pansies or are any less tough than lineman. It is also not done because the NFL wants to safeguard the players. Again, it sounds like the right thing to do and to be fair, it may play a small percentage of the reason. The main reason they have these rules in place is money. Some of the biggest advertising firms on Madison Avenue determined that when the starting QB was not starting or playing in a game, viewership was down. If viewership is down, the networks are not able to sell as much advertising and not able to sell it at a premium. The networks put pressure on the league, league complies. At the end of the day, cash is king. Just the fact that Mr. Reilly tries to imply that boxing, taken by itself, is a non violent sport further also goes back to my opening sentence.
Jesus christ. It’s really unfortunate that we’ve had to put up with this man’s drivel.
The state purpose of MMA is to inflict damage? (No shit?) Boxing’s legal in your state, Bob.
Violence begets violence? Boxing, football, hockey, etc. All legal in your state, all inherently violent.
The NFL is trying to control violence? It took them YEARS and constant prodding to even begin to initiate a program to deal with concussions in the sport. The NFL constantly denied that concussions were a significant problem and commissioned various “unbiased” (wink) studies to prove their point.
Re: his point about combining wrestling and boxing. Absolutely no point is made. Bob asks why you can’t hit a guy on his knees in boxing and answers “safety.” Oh, well, Bob, how exactly is that safer? How is it safer to take successive and concussive blows and then be given time to recover and receive more blows?
Listen, if you want to stonewall MMA because you think it’s violent, fine. You’re out of touch with human nature, in my mind, but whatever. But be consistent about it. Where were you when Roy Jones Jr. and Joe Calzaghe fought at MSG? Why aren’t you picketing outside the Meadowlands? Where’s your pressure on the NHL to prohibit fighting?
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Screw it.
No MMA for NY, oh well. If you NY’ers don’t like it, vote this idiot out.
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by RolloTomasi on Sep 3, 2010 1:30 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
The funny thing is, I contacted Bob a while back and said I wanted to do a completely civil interview where he could try to communicate his concerns to MMA fans and answer questions from the MMA media (me, in this case). They ignored my first few requests and then finally sent an e-mail that simply said “We are not interested. Thank you.”
Of course, as soon as his face can get on TV he’s all about it.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 3, 2010 1:30 PM EDT reply actions
Christ's sake....
My mom’s 61. She’s a former middle school french teacher. She should, by all logic, fucking hate this sort of thing. And she eats it up as much as I do. I was watching the UFC 100 prelims the other night, and by the end of the Coleman-Bonnar fight, she was on the edge of her seat cheering on Coleman. You telling me this means she’d go and punch her students in the face if she got back to teaching?
DIAF, Bobby.
So much cock. A cock guy.
by inadvertentgroinstrike on Sep 3, 2010 7:08 PM EDT reply actions
If I was Dana...
I would run the next 8 or 12 UFC events in cities within driving range of NYC. Boston and Philly, etc…so that they could illustrate the financial gains, and losses, to be had by having MMA and the UFC in your town.
I like Fedor, it’s just his fans that are intolerable...and his management.
His boxing analogy was stupid.
In boxing fighters can get basically Ko’d and then are allowed to stand back up and keep taking a beating. I think that is even more dangerous.

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