USAT/SBN September 2010 MMA Consensus Rankings
by Nate Wilcox on Sep 29, 2010 11:00 PM EDT
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The September USA TODAY/Sports Blog Nation MMA Consensus Rankings are now live. Be sure and pick up a hard copy of USA TODAY to see them in print tomorrow.
Based on the premise that all MMA rankings are subjective but that it’s still useful and informative to know who the MMA community as a whole ranks as the best fighters in MMA, we collect and average the rankings of the top MMA sources to produce our consensus rankings. We compile the top MMA rankings from each of our sources and award 25 points for a first place ranking, 16 for a 10th place ranking, 1 for a 25th place ranking. A formula is used to "normalize" the data so all fighters are awarded points from those lists that do not include a full 25 fighters. This formula ensures that each ranking site awards the same number of total points regardless of how many fighters they choose to rank. Each fighter’s total is divided by the number of possible points to determine their standing in the Consensus Rankings.
More details on our methodology in the full entry.
NOTE: We have modified our method of gathering our rankings because the strict scheduling requirements of USA TODAY clash with the more irregular schedules of many of the MMA rankings sites. That was causing us to use a different set of sources almost every month. That combined with the small number of sites doing top 25 rankings was causing the Consensus rankings to have a lower "signal to noise" ratio than we would like -- that is if fighters are going to be moving up or down I would like it to be because there has been a change in the consensus opinion, not a change in our sources. Therefore we have cut back our sources to just those sites that we can depend on to update every month. We have also contacted many of the rankers that only publish top 10 lists and asked them to provide top 25 lists. As always we listen to your suggestions and are always working to improve the USAT/SBN Consensus MMA Rankings.
We have further modified our formula to better account for fighters who drift between multiple weight classes. We are now moving to what JCS of Fight Matrix has described as assumed rankings in an attempt to rank fighters who move between weight classes. This has been the biggest problem with the consensus rankings and we believe this new methodology will rectify that.
Let's take Anderson Silva for instance. 87% (13 of 15) of our panelists have him at Light Heavyweight and 100% (15 of 15) at Middleweight. On the 13 ballots that ranked Silva at 205, we took the average (21.2). We then reduced that number by half the percentage of Light Heavyweight ballots that he was not included on. Say he's not on 30% of them, then we do a 15% penalty on the average that we found in the previous step. That number is then used instead of the usual "normalization number" to provide points from those not ranking the fighter in the weight class in question. This avoids fighters being excessively penalized by confusion about which weight class they belong.
Check out the USA TODAY/Sports Blog Nation MMA Consensus Rankings to see who's rising and who's falling.
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I really don't love JDS as the #6 HW
The two guys directly above him are a dude coming off a loss and a dude he beat the crap out of. I think there’s a strong argument for putting him above Werdum and Carwin at this point.
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Above Carwin yes
But on your reasonsing, when Matt Serra beat GSP and was propelled to number 1, should Karo Parysian been number 1 since he had the last win over Serra?
Food goes in here
Meh. I think there’s definitely an argument, but JDS hasn’t been anyone near Fedor’s level.
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Um, he beat the guy that beat Fedor.
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 29, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah
Fedor was a house of cards.
Also, LOL at the LHW rankings this month. Mousasi is a top ten LHW like I’m a turnip.
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 29, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re a pretty chatty turnip.
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by Tim Burke on Sep 29, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I always though he was a turnip too...
Mousasi at number 10 doesn’t blow my mind.
Nick Diaz is the one that consistently blows my mind. Zaromskis is his only relevant win at WW and he was clearly a mirage.
10-20 at LHW is a big clusterfuck, I think any of those guys could beat the other on a given night.
by ufc4 on Sep 29, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sure
But Feijao beat Mo and Mo beat Mousasi and it’s Mousasi, Mo, Feijao.
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 29, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Mousasi has two wins at 205.
Babalu (solid win) and a long since exposed Soko, then lost to Mo. He’s 2-1 at 205. Feijao is on a three fight win streak in the division including a win over… King Mo. There’s no reason for the rankings being how they are.
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you fail to take into account that Mousasi has won multiple dream grand prix.
it all makes sense once you factor in how much tournaments arouse people.
He won at 185.
Ok, fine, I forgot the Mizuno win. Can you really blame me? Did anybody really care? So he beat Babalu, Soko, and Mizuno. The boy is young and has upside but the SF trio rankings make zero sense.
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Oh, I’m being totally sarcastic.
But it’s just what’s wrong with the way rankings (and the minds of the people who do them) work.
Most of his high ranking comes from the MW GP, babalu and Soko just moved him into the 205 weight class, and he had to slide down a little because there is a lot of talent there.
Then he loses to Mo, so Mo just goes above him. Then Feijao beats mo, and instead of just sliding everyone along, people decide that means mo is overrated, so feijao doesn’t get the full bump, and mo slides down. Now logic would dictate that if mo was overrated, we should go back and correct the Mousasi’s ranking, but how can you move him down? He’s winning fights in Japan?
That is the biggest problem with the rankings (I think). Beating lower ranked/unranked opponents or doing nothing gets more credit than losing to legit competition.
Don't lose
And generally you can maintain, if not move up with the right hype for an upcoming fight.
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 29, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t be so sure.
Not that I condone facism or any ism for that matter. Isms are in my opinion, not good. A person shouldn't believe in an ism, he should believe in himself.
I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me". Good point there, after all he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. Wouldn't change the fact I have to bum rides off of people.
I would like to see Cain beat him
but I really don’t think it happens and if he doesn’t, the UFC doesn’t have anyone that will. Lesnar / Carwin 2 will be the only sell-able fight.
Even if you don't put him above Werdum
I can’t see how he doesn’t rise above Carwin. He should be a top-five guy.
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by Dave Strummer on Sep 30, 2010 7:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, does anyone really think that Bader would beat Jon Jones after that fight? It’s OK, Jones will beat him out of the top 10, unless Bader gets his wish to duck him.
Yep. It is about who did beat who.
I still thought the jump was a little large though.
Not a huge deal though.
Not necessarily, but Bader has better wins.
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by Richard Wade on Sep 30, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Lil Nog is a better win than anybody Jones has beaten
and Bader is still undefeated. I think the rankings are appropriate, even though I’ll pick Jones if they fight.
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That's a good point
Bader has defeated the best opponent, but Jones has looked dominant in his fights. I’d still give the edge to Jones, but I can see why Bader is higher
Buster Posey>
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The fact its that cliche makes its horrible. There are so many of them you could make an entire card called Hitman vs. Pitbull.
Not that I condone facism or any ism for that matter. Isms are in my opinion, not good. A person shouldn't believe in an ism, he should believe in himself.
I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me". Good point there, after all he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. Wouldn't change the fact I have to bum rides off of people.
LOL
You guys ranked (fighter A) ahead of (fighter B)? What a bunch of idiots, friggin (MMA Promotion X) homers.
by ufc4 on Sep 29, 2010 11:30 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
ufc4’s making a joke about people thinking these rankings are done be us.
That said, the rankings between Mo, “Feijao,” and Mousasi are very odd.
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it's because Feijao wasn't ranked at all
when he beat King Mo. But I did expect him to move up more this month, it seems people are forgetting about Feijao already. Mousasi benefitted from his recent wins in Japan.
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The humor of your comment may have been lost on the others
But I got a damn good laugh out of it, and therefore hereby present you with this rec for exemplary use of sarcasm in a rankings thread.
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by CasualMMAFan on Sep 30, 2010 3:46 AM EDT up reply actions
This
Is the greatest comment on a ranking forum ever.
by Lunatic-Fridge on Sep 30, 2010 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions
ufc4 is a friggin Strikeforce homer. That’s why the rankings for those three came out inverted.
I love me some me.
And I remain the one person on the goddamn planet
who is completely dumbfounded by the ranking of Ben Henderson.
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everyone put in front of him?
Getting bent out of shape over a fight promoter lying is like getting upset that a hooker won't kiss you. It betrays a deep lack of understanding of the nature of the profession.
Boise State! BOISE STATE!
Getting bent out of shape over a fight promoter lying is like getting upset that a hooker won't kiss you. It betrays a deep lack of understanding of the nature of the profession.
looking deeper on the poll, Varner and Cerone are 27th and 30th(t) respectively…
Getting bent out of shape over a fight promoter lying is like getting upset that a hooker won't kiss you. It betrays a deep lack of understanding of the nature of the profession.
in the extended post Here it goes all the way down to the lowly Toby Imada at #46
Getting bent out of shape over a fight promoter lying is like getting upset that a hooker won't kiss you. It betrays a deep lack of understanding of the nature of the profession.
Wow, looking at that just proves that Kevin Iole has no clue what he’s talking about.
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Take his record and put him in Strikeforce or MFC
and all people will say is “Oh, he beat a UFC washout GAYmie Varner and Donald ‘Brokeback Mountain’ Cerrone. LOL!” But they somehow are given relevance by the fact that they are under the Zuffa banner, which apparently makes them world class I guess?
Clay Guida is a more impressive fighter with a more impressive record. The only good thing is that when those two eventually fight when the WEC gets absorbed, the betting lines will be ridiculous and we’ll both walk away with a pretty penny.
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would love to see you call them gaymie varner or brokeback ceronne to their faces. youre a clown! both are top notch fighters who can beat 95% of the ufc lw division on any given day
Reading comprehension is fun.
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by Mike Fagan on Sep 30, 2010 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh I know.
I was just elaborating on my point.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
Being under the Zuffa banner gives you relevance and Henderson has earned his which is more than I can say for all the vastly overated LW’s outside the company who haven’t done nearly as much as him.
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cause what's your Rampage to Rashad Evans/"
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I'm confused with your logic,
might as well just post this gif, it is pretty funny.
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But I won’t pick against Jon Jones again until I see him lose. - Kwisatz Haderach
considering what passes for logic around here i’ll take that as a compliment.
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cause what's your Rampage to Rashad Evans/"
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by Nightwhistler on Sep 30, 2010 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Is this too late?
I am. I think. I will. - Ayn Rand
But I won’t pick against Jon Jones again until I see him lose. - Kwisatz Haderach
by vivero on Sep 30, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Nate asked for them, so I brought them back. Does anyone get anything out of the second graph?
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by Richard Wade on Sep 30, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Aleksander Emelianenko ftw
The Azerbaijan Pankration Federation is gonna break out on the scene like a case of hepatitis next month.
2 gripes...
cavalcante should be higher….and whats up with the absence of mcgee, he may fight for mfc but top hes definitely top 25 i mean cmon
Why is Fedor ranked #2 over Werdum who is at #4?
Who did Nick Diaz beat to become a Top 5 Welterweight?
Why is Tito Ortiz ranked #23 over Chuck Liddell who is at #25? Ortiz hasn’t won a fight in four years, and has a loss to Liddell in that time span.
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I too do not not understand Fedor's ranking over Werdum
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by Drunken cutman on Sep 30, 2010 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Shrug, some people don’t put people above other people because they thought it was a fluke, which in my opinion is stupid as that’s the only real piece of tangible evidence you have to see who is better. Then you have others who have different criteria for guys who fight in different weightclasses. If everyone ranked people in the all the weight divisions they have fought in as opposed to just the last one they fought in then I think you’d have Anderson Silva a lot higher in 205 and Jake Shields higher in welterweight. Or the opposite if everyone decided not too.
The whole Ortiz/Liddell thing is quite majorly retarded though as well as the outside-UFC bump Diaz seems to get.
In short, shit becomes fucked because of different criteria.
Not that I condone facism or any ism for that matter. Isms are in my opinion, not good. A person shouldn't believe in an ism, he should believe in himself.
I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me". Good point there, after all he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. Wouldn't change the fact I have to bum rides off of people.
The Nick Diaz thing is consistently the biggest miss in my opinion.
Arguing over one or two spots is silly, but Diaz only has one close to notable win at WW. He is questionable as at top 10 WW let alone top 5.
by truck on Sep 30, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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