Whispers in the Night: What Were Mir and Cro Cop Talking About?
by Jonathan Snowden on Sep 27, 2010 5:23 PM EDT
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Saturday night it seemed Mirko Cro Cop and Frank Mir were doing more talking than fighting. At one point the two were so gabby that they continued a conversation after instructed to break by the referee. What was so important that it couldn't wait until after the fight? Cro Cop revealed what was said to a Croatian news service:
Filipovic also detailed a conversation that he and Mir had when clinched against the fence in the third round, the content of which was immediately the subject of much speculation. He says the exchange went like this:
CroCop: Let me go, lets go to the centre and fight
Mir: Let's go to the mat
CroCop: OK - if I'm on top
Mir: We'll stay in the clinch
Of course, the loudest statement of all was made by UFC President Dana White. After the fight White refused to award Mir the $70,000 knockout of the night bonus. Despite being the only knockout of the card, Mir's knee to the head went unrewarded. Instead, White gave two "Fight of the Night" bonuses. Yahoo's Dave Meltzer says the message was clear:
Without saying a word, UFC president Dana White made a statement about his feelings on the fight. Mir had the only knockout of the 11-fight card, and White gave two fight of the night bonuses and a submission of the night bonus but skipped the usual knockout of the night award.
Sources close to the UFC say Mir isn't expected to get the customary bonus check often awarded to succesful PPV main eventers either. It was a costly performance for Mir, but a bad win is still better than a bad loss. What's next for either fighter is unclear. Cro Cop told the European press he wants to fight several more times for the UFC next year and Mir will likely be in the contender's mix, perhaps in a rematch with Shane Carwin.
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i liked it better than frankie vs. bj II
Plus that exchange is hilarious! I lol’ed
"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
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by the-gentle-way on Sep 27, 2010 12:06 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
So you didn’t like how Frankie dominated Penn? I really enjoyed it.
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by xFenixKnightx on Sep 27, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
i like pain to be caused
Neither did that.
"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."
by the-gentle-way on Sep 27, 2010 1:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
to the pain!
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by Cory Braiterman on Sep 27, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I don’t think I’m quite familiar with that phrase.
by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Sep 27, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Epic referece, chick flick for sure but Inigo Montoya is the man.
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by doonerthesooner on Sep 27, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
chic flick!!!
I don’t think those words mean what you think they mean. ;)
"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."
by the-gentle-way on Sep 27, 2010 1:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 9 recs
I'll "I'll explain and I'll use small words so that you'll be sure to understand, you warthog-faced buffoon."
“To the pain” means the first thing you lose will be your feet, below the ankles, then your hands at the wrists. Next, your nose.
"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."
by the-gentle-way on Sep 27, 2010 2:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
That may be the first time in my life a man has dared insult me.
And then my tongue, I suppose. I killed you too quickly the last time, a mistake I don’t mean to duplicate tonight.
by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Sep 27, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
you sir are a scholar and gentleman.
Cheers to you.
"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."
by the-gentle-way on Sep 27, 2010 3:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You are wonderful.
I admit it, you are better than I am.
by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Sep 27, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Y'all are fucking great
Drink to remember, drink to forget.
by doonerthesooner on Sep 27, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Rec'ed you both
For movie-reference-awesomeness in a close-but-not-quite-homo-way!
To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.
not bad for only
googling “Princess Bride quotes”
I think the way BJ got embarrased for 7 straight rounds by a 145 pounder is pretty painful
GSP is probably the only guy under on the planet under 170 who can truly make BJ hurt. Edgar landed some decent shots.
That’s not a terrible idea. Btw, doesn’t Nelson hold a win over Mir from a grappling contest or something?
Nice post. I love the headline. I’m always interested in what these guys say to each other during the fight. I guess Cro Cop is pretty talkative, wasn’t he also murmuring to Pat Barry?
More than anything I’d love know what Kos said to Daley.
by BurtBacharach on Sep 27, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, Nelson beat Mir in a 2003 grappler’s quest. Like 15-2 on points. He then went on to kneebar Brandon Vera and beat Diego Sanchez on points.
What Kos said to Daley is tops on my list of conversations I’d like to eavesdrop on
by disinferno06 on Sep 27, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Either sound good to me.
I’m just not high on a Mir/Carwin rematch at this point. Maybe it’s too soon?
Much too soon
Mir hasn’t shown anything new that makes me think he could handle Carwin in a rematch. Nelson/Mir is probably the most relevant and competitive fight for both guys at the moment.
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by lowellthehammer on Sep 27, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Big Country would sock the shit out of Mir
MAKE IT HAPPEN
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The fight sucked..
but if that verbal exchange is true, it is damn hilarious. Makes the fight a little bit better in my heart.
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 27, 2010 12:20 PM EDT reply actions
Thanks for that, but I know there’s more. Plus, there seemed to speak to each other more than once during that fight.
I, personally, would much rather see Cro Cop have rematches with Big Nog and Gonzaga. As much as I love CC, he’s not making another title run. He should just have big fights. And Mir? I’d love to see him get his ass kicked again anyday.
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I also read somewhere there was an exchange that went,
“I want to knee you” – CC
“You can, just not in the balls” – Mir
Not that I condone facism or any ism for that matter. Isms are in my opinion, not good. A person shouldn't believe in an ism, he should believe in himself.
I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me". Good point there, after all he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. Wouldn't change the fact I have to bum rides off of people.
From Middle Easy's Sunday Morning Rumor Mill:
The news is probably out by now, but when Cro Cop and Frank Mir were in the clinch, Cro Cop said something along the lines of ‘I really want to knee you’, Frank Mir responded with ‘You can try, but just watch the nuts’.
Apparently Cro Cop wanted to go back to the center of the cage so he could stand there liking a punching bag and barely throw any punches. Cro Cop’s counter striking was ridiculous!
Shut up, Tito.
by TruthSeeker1223 on Sep 27, 2010 12:46 PM EDT reply actions
no way mir fights carwin again next
give him the gonzaga schaub winner, or big nog
as for cro cop, matt mitrione makes sense to me
We have a saying back home that if your coming on, COME ON!!!!
the conversation was weird. cro cop is definitely turning into more of an elder statesman softie.
but, cro crop did take the fight on short notice and had the awful-looking eye injury. i’ve got some sympathy for him.
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rogan said it looked like a sparring session
and hes totally right, ive seen sparring sessions with way more intensity
We have a saying back home that if your coming on, COME ON!!!!
If it was worked
it wouldn’t have been that goddamn boring.
That being said I’ll still take a boring legitimate fight over an exciting fake one.
Mayhem said that you are his idol.
Sakuraba: If he means it, he should demonstrate his respect. If he means it, he shouldn't punch me...If he does that during the fight, I'm gonna say "Hey, what you are doing right now is not even close to respecting me!" Then I'lI probably throw him on the judge's table.
by lowellthehammer on Sep 27, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Why would you rematch Mir with Carwin? It was a lopsided beatdown. I much rather see Mir fight someone like Nelson or the Gonzaga/Schaub winner
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by Noah'sArk on Sep 27, 2010 12:51 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I’d think getting gyped knockout of the night bonus is punishment enough
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by Noah'sArk on Sep 27, 2010 1:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Mir vs Gonzaga
Irrelevant HW with name value vs Irrelevant HW with slightly less name value
Its perfect
by Lunatic-Fridge on Sep 27, 2010 12:53 PM EDT reply actions
Gonzaga fights Schaub
I could see Mir fighting the winner of that fight.
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 27, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
If Schaub wins he needs a more quality opponent than Mir.
by Lunatic-Fridge on Sep 27, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Srsly?
Going from beating Gonzaga to fighting Mir seems very Carwinesque.
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 27, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
He needs a more relevant opponent.
Too many HWs are getting big fight for beating big names instead of big quality. Schaub needs someone who could be a real contender. And thats not Mir.
by Lunatic-Fridge on Sep 27, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
What? Frank Mir is a former champion himself. Brendan Schaub got KO’d by Roy Nelson. If anything, it’s Mir that needs a more relevant opponent. Schaub isn’t on his level.
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by Tim Burke on Sep 27, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Mir was a former champ of the weakest point of the UF HW division.
Once the HW dvision improved, Mir’s lack a high-level ability really sowed itself.
by Lunatic-Fridge on Sep 27, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup that lack of high-level ability sure showed up. You mean when he won the Interim belt after being the first guy to knock out Big Nog? Was it then? Dude, he’s lost to the # 1 and # 5 HW’s in the world in the last 3 years. That’s it.
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And he beat a #17, a rookie and a has-been while getting utterly demolished when fighting actual top guys.
by Lunatic-Fridge on Sep 27, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
If you’re talking about Nog being a has-been, I’m not even sure what to tell you. He certainly wasn’t in December 2008. It’s clear you’re not a Mir fan and I’m not going to convince you of anything, so we’ll just stop. Either way though, Brendan Schaub doesn’t deserve to share cage time with Frank Mir anytime soon.
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exactly
Schaub against Mir? are you kidding me? i know Mir was far from impressive against CC but he solidified himself as the #5 in the HW division. Schaub? c’mon now. Lets talk if/when he gets by Gonzaga…until then, the Schaub hype needs to simmer down a bit.
Any guy who needs a freebie to remain relevant is not a top 5.
by Lunatic-Fridge on Sep 27, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
If you’re a top 3 and fighting a guy barely in the top 20. Its a freebie.
by Lunatic-Fridge on Sep 27, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Besides..PRIDE and UFC sheideld Nog from anyone with real KO power for years.
Before Cain, the last time Nog fought someone coming off a KO was on 04. They realized it wasn’t worth it anymore.
by Lunatic-Fridge on Sep 27, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Timmay – 4 straight decisions before the Nog fight.
Barnett – Never had a KO win his entire PRIDE career.
by Lunatic-Fridge on Sep 27, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Gonzaga has been living off that CroCop KO too long. Dude shoulda been out the UFC a while back.
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by xFenixKnightx on Sep 27, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If Schaub wins he needs a more quality opponent than Mir.
by Lunatic-Fridge on Sep 27, 2010 12:55 PM EDT reply actions
More quality then a guy that beat big Timmy, Brock, Nog, Cro Cop and has held UFC gold twice? What has Schaub shown that would justify him leap frogging past Mir and getting into the title mix?
by Red Dragons on Sep 27, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
The HW division isn't exactly stacked
Mir would be a progression for Schaub.
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by Dave Strummer on Sep 27, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh he’d big a great NAME for Schaub to beat, absolutely.
by Lunatic-Fridge on Sep 27, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
beating Gonzaga
should not equate to deserving a right to fight one of the top 4’s…who would ALL demolish Schaub in the first round btw
Because he opted to push CC into the cage a majority of the fight. Every fighter that does this will be hated on, just more so because its Mir. Cases can be made that it is the duty of the fighter being pushed to escape. I know I was frustrated that CC had no sense of urgency.
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Because Mir’s whole career is built on right-place-right-time BS instead of quality wins.
by Lunatic-Fridge on Sep 27, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep, that's why he broke Timmay's arm - sheer luck
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 27, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Getting a title shot after beating Wes SIms who was 0-1 in the UFC = right-place-right-time BS.
Having 1 highlight win doesn’t make you great.
by Lunatic-Fridge on Sep 27, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess his fist was in the right place at the right time when he dropped Kongo. Lesnar’s knee just happened to be there. Timmeh’s arm. Cro Cops face. Hardonk’s arm. The staph on Nog’s gym mat.
Come on.
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by Tim Burke on Sep 27, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Brock did kind of place that thing on a silver platter by squaring up in his guard, but the rest yeah.
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 27, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Being given a gift wrapped guy tailer made to lose to who who barely ranks in the top 20 sort equals right-place-right-time BS.
Actually that was more charity since Dana knew another lose would completely ruin Mir, so thats more pathetic than his normal BS.
by Lunatic-Fridge on Sep 27, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m sorry man, but as much as people hate the dude, Frank Mir is a top HW. You don’t win 12 time in the UFC if you’re not that good. I’m not a big fan of his, but acting like he’s not relevant is ridiculous. This was supposed to be Mir/Nog 2, which was highly relevant to the HW division still.
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You’ll win plenty of times if Dana gives you.guys who barely make the top 20.
Quality > Quantiy
by Lunatic-Fridge on Sep 27, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
who isn't quality?
Kongo (was 1 fight away from a HW title shot vs. Cain)?
Big Nog (C’mon..if your really gonna argue that it wasn’t a solid win, then your an idiot)?
Brock Lesnar(Sure…Brock was “green” and walked into the submission, but how many others would have been able to work that submission while brock was pounding on their head? Not Herring, Randy, Carwin ect…)
Tim Sylvia (who was 16-0 and the defending HW champ)?
Sure, Mir isn’t the best HW around. And he’s arrogant. And probably a jackass…. But don’t down play his career like he’s lucky to be in the UFC.
Schaub ins’t a top guy yet. But neither is Mir.
He needs to fight someone who it’ll matter that he beat.
by Lunatic-Fridge on Sep 27, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Carwin beat Mir
And got a Title Shot.
Really, you just sound ridiculous if you are gonna try to argue that Mir isn’t a top 10 HW. Let alone in the UFC, probably a top 5.
No one will argue with you that he’s gonna be a HW champion again, but for Brendan Schaub, who’s biggest win right now is over Gabriel Gonzaga CHRIS TUCHSCHERER, a Fight with Mir would be a HUGE step up in competition.
Or in other words:
CC: This is boring, let me try and knock you out.
Mir: I’ll pass, instead let me try and submit you.
CC: As long as I am on top so I it will at least look like I’m doing something.
Mir: Nah I’d rather be on top. I guess I’ll use my 20 pounds on you to continue pushing you into the cage.
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Really? Is that really how the conversation went? I could have sworn it went like this:
CroCop: Knock knock.
Mir: Who’s there?
CroCop: Interrupting cow.
Mir: Interrupting c-
CroCop: Moo!
by pud333 on Sep 27, 2010 1:14 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
I’d like to see Mir vs. Nelson. Big Country, love him or hate him, always seem’s to bring the fight, and seeing as how they are both accomplished grapplers, we might get to see a somewhat entertaining slugfest. I don’t see Mir being able to lean up against Nelson ala CroCop.
As for CroCop..It depends on what Dana wants to do with him. Obviously he has very little left in the tank, so if Dana wants to feed him to another up and comer, maybe give him to Stuve or Duffee (had he still been employed by UFC). Or if Dana wants to use CroCop as a PPV filler maybe a fight against Nog or Rothwell…
Randy vs Cro Cop
everyone knows it makes sense
Ughhhh
I honestly have ZERO interest in that fight. It will be Randy vs. Vera version 2.0.
Mirko can’t controll anyone in the cage, and is totally gun shy. Putting him in against wrestler who are gonna take him down or clinch him against the cage the whole time will be dreadful. He probably isn’t a top 25 HW anymore, so the only reasonable thing for the UFC to do is match him up with guys who will make for exciting fight…. or release him.
I’d actually like to see Vera vs. CroCop.
I know they are in different divisions, but clearly LHW isn’t working out for Vera, and Mirko is WAY to small to be a HW.
Maybe a Catch weight of 215? It would be pretty exciting, especially for two former lethal strikers who seem to have lost their swagger.
I agree with Beer Monster
Mir should fight Roy Nelson next. I think that Nelson wouldn’t allow Mir to get away with what he did with Cro Cop. He’d force him to fight for his life and we’d either see Mir rising to the occasion or Big Country getting yet another big KO, imo.
So, they were auditioning for the WWE?
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Keeping CroCop Relevant
We all know CroCop is done as far as a title run is concerned and pretty much faded after the Open Weight GP. Dana White and Joe Silva should setup a match between Chuck Liddell and CroCop at catchweight (215lbs) or if they want to keep it even more interesting bring in Wanderlei for a revenge match. Putting either of these matches as a co-main event will draw in viewers and give these fighters the last dance they deserve along with the chance to even possibly advance their careers.
i like both of those fights...
But I can’t stand to see chucks head bouncing off the canvas anymore…
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