Was UFC 119 the Worst UFC Show of All Time?
by Jonathan Snowden on Sep 26, 2010 9:37 AM EDT
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We knew going in that the UFC wasn't exactly pulling out all the stops for UFC 119. The main event featured a heavyweight matchup that didn't even pretend to be relevant or compelling. The co-main starred two light heavyweights that were barely top 10 material. But who could have predicted one of the worst shows in recent memory?
Besides the outstanding and competitive fight between Sean Sherk and Evan Dunham, UFC 119 was consistently disappointing. This was an MMA card where none of the fights really displayed what was great about the sport. For the most part the fights were predictable, stagnant, and boring standing bouts, putting an end to the myth that a fight that stays on the feet is bound to be entertaining.
Frank Mir and Mirko Cro Cop put on one of the worst displays in the history of MMA main events, certainly on cards of this level. For most of three rounds both exchanged the occasional blow, in between tepid Mir takedown attempts. Cro Cop has looked shell shocked since his KO loss to Gabriel Gonzaga four score and however many years ago. His UFC record was a house of cards. Is there a modern UFC fighter with a winning record who has it with worse fighters than Cro Cop? He was 4-3, with wins over the murderers row of Perosh, Sanchez, (an injured) Barry, and Al-Turk. That is the Mount Rushmore of awful heavyweights.
Despite this, because of his Pride legacy, he was tagged to be a late second replacement for an injured Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira. He had no business competing with a top MMA heavyweight. Luckily the old Frank Mir showed up, so that wasn't a problem. While the announcers blamed Cro Cop throughout for the lack action, Mir also kept a wary distance, occasionally bulling forward for half hearted takedown attempts, never once bringing the action to the floor. A bizarre last second knockout from a glancing and awkward knee doesn't change the fact that the fight we witnessed featured 14 of the worst minutes ever captured on camera. Shameful KO. Shameful fight. Shameful event.
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The night started with such promise on SPIKE TV. Matt Mitrione and Joey Beltrane may have shown little discernible skill on their feet, but man did they try hard. Who knew that by the end of the night just trying hard would be an impossible standard? CB Dolloway also wowed with a submission over the cagey veteran Joe Doerksen. Things seemed to be going so well. And then Greg Jackson entered the building.
Fans expected fireworks between Melvin Guillard and Jeremy Stephens. That might have been too much to ask with Guillard now under Jackson's wing. Instead it was a dance off, with Stephens forgetting his dancing shoes at home. Melvin never threw more than two punches at any one time and can put a mark in the win column, but also a stake in the heart of Guillard fans who have come to anticipate wild action in his fights.
Chris Lytle and Matt Serra obviously shook hands backstage, Pancrase style, and agreed to shoot for the fight of the night bonus. Standing and banging was a terrible strategy for Serra after the first round, but he was unwilling or unable to adjust. As it became clear this "MMA" match was really a boxing fight with four ounce gloves, the remaining ten minutes became harder and harder to watch. I love MMA for the mix of techniques. The decision to focus only on boxing made it less interesting for me, not more. Beyond that, it was a bad boxing match as Serra clearly has no idea how to set up his wild punches and led with his head like a 170 pound Rocky Balboa.
There was nothing wrong with Rogerio Nogueira and Ryan Bader, but it was a fight that was simply there. Neither impressed and I was left with the hope that they really do put Bader in with Jon Jones. Coming in, I thought it was crazy to matchup two potential title holders so early in their careers. Coming out of the fight, I have little hope of Bader reaching that level.
The main event ended with Joe Rogan apologizing to the fans, Frank Mir's sad knockout, and Mirko Cro Cop asking "What happened?" What happened? Your career ended. And thankfully, so did a wretched show.
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Oh well you were there so you’re an expert. I watched it and changed the channel. Oh and 118 sucked too.
By "The Old Frank Mir" I'm assuming this post is referring to the "Washed Up" version...
So wait, “the old Frank Mir showed up”? I mean I can understand the explanation he gave for being hesitant, but he didn’t look like he wanted to be out there much more than CC did. His movement was good, but he was completely devoid of all intensity and/or visible desire to actually win the fight. Neither of these guys showed up tonight, and to claim that Mir even looked like he gave a remote bit of a damn is a stretch.
I was at UFC 114 too. That always makes them seem better, but I didn’t think that was nearly as bad as this.
by Jonathan Snowden on Sep 26, 2010 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions
There was a one sided beating. A boring main event. A co-main event which was lame. An up and comer got screwed. And a match-up made for fireworks ended up being dull. Quick, which event am I talking about?
I loved the ME at UFC 114. Was compelling to watch.
by Jonathan Snowden on Sep 26, 2010 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The trash talk was, yeah. The Rashad throw two punches-push Rampage against the cage-eventually get it on the ground-Rampage gasses out within the first 30 seconds….not so much. You’re an MMA hipster on your best day. If someone doesn’t like something, you love it and vice versa.
by Josh Grant on Sep 26, 2010 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Me too, it was a great fight, people get too caught up in bitching about it
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 26, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I actually found it quite enjoyable too
But I couldn’t explain why.
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by Drunken cutman on Sep 26, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
UFC 78
lets get some perspective. Don’t let the crowd make you think that those fights were THAT bad.
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by BloodbathAndBeyond on Sep 26, 2010 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions
i thought the action was great minus 2 fights, but there is always 2 fights that dont live up
everyone is complaining. be happy about the great fights that we did get to see. its not like all of you people were expecting Mir vs Cop to be the years best fight. Throw in a bunch of terrible decisions and everyone just forgets the actual fights. hardcores are way too concerned with the behind the scenes to really appreciate the fights anymore.
It was funny at first, but its worked against me too many times now. FUCK the LATE TAKEDOWN!!
David Nog got robbed, but I'll take my sig like a man. What do ya got for me?
by Synyster_08 on Sep 26, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s hard to argue after judging like that.
Stephens = robbed
Dunham = robbed
and tbh I even think Nog won.
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by Renny on Sep 26, 2010 1:28 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
yep
Stephens won, but it was a close fight. Dunham howver kicked Sherk’s ass, and of of the judges even had it 30 – 27. Wow.
awful
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Not scoring that fight in favour of Dunham is pathetic. But scoring the other fight 30-27 for Guillard is a fucking disgrace.
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it’s at least justifiable, though.
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So...hyped...
no it’s not. Bader got exposed in this fight. i feel bad for him against Bones, and i’m a big Bader fan
Nog really didn’t do anything significant in any round. He landed like what, one big punch? Really boring fight, really. Hardly any significant exchanges.
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So...hyped...
Agreed. Besides the TD in the first where he landed 2 shots (lol) he did nothing but stall when he could. The TD’s in the second and third did zero damage and he couldn’t hold on to Nog for more than 10 seconds.
They don’t even score takedowns like that in wrestling…why the eff are judges counting them in MMA??
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I wasn’t really impressed with either Bader or Rogerio. Bader showed nothing in his standup to me that was impressive or even improving. His gas tank is still questionable as well. Rogerio looked very “average” to me in that there was nothing in his performance that showed me he was a top ten light heavyweight. His boxing looked good but not great, and his BJJ was only used to get back to his feet, but there were no sweeps from the bottom or anything like that.
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by chrisbboy82 on Sep 26, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, some of the most god-awful MMA judging ever. Robberies that would make Enron executives blush. Mmm, what? Cecil Peoples was there? Oh. That explains it.
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Did he judge that last round of Stephens-Guillard?
Because that is the only explanation for that 30-27 existing. The first 2 rounds could have gone either way sure I don’t really care because none of those guys did much. The third was all Stephens though.
I disagree with your post as Stephens was totally stymied by Guillard’s good footwork and hand speed ……. Stephens fights on heart alone and hell he even lost the Stout fight back in May but was given a gift of a decision that night in Montreal. Everyone is bitching about 119, but I thought aside from the main event it was a pretty good night of fights.
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by twodragunns on Sep 26, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
He may have not been able to catch Guillard as often as he would have liked due to his speed, but that SHOULD mean nothing to the judges. Stephens still landed much more significant strikes than Guillard. Guillard would bounce around, lunge into the pocket and attempt to jab Stephens.
The performance was very similar to what we see Cruz do, land flashy, insignificant strikes that trick the judges into awarding them points based on how quick their feet are moving.
I thought Stephens clearly beat Stout, he punished him all fight and even had him rocked a few times iirc.
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Painfully boring and Bad Judging
This is a recipe for disaster. Thankfully 120 is free. Sherk Definitely Lost, Bader Lost and the Mir fight was proof that CroCop is done. Five years ago he would have destroyed Mir.
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Official Scorecards: 29-28 Dunham, 29-28 Sherk and 29-28 Sherk. Sean Sherk wins by split decision.
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by Thulsa Doom on Sep 26, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
no judge had it 30-27...
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by TylerTreese on Sep 26, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Stephens was not robbed.
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by lowellthehammer on Sep 26, 2010 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
not saying that he did, but Melvin being w/Jackson these past 9 months made me think that he’d show us something new…..nope
Oh it was something new. The old Melvin would have come to fight.
by Jonathan Snowden on Sep 26, 2010 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh shut up.
“Come to fight”? Since when has “come to fight” meant “come to brawl with a brawler”? Guillard outstruck and outworked Stephens, who looked plodding and missed over half of his punches/kicks. Pretty clear-cut decision IMO.
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by lowellthehammer on Sep 26, 2010 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Impressive performance doesn't always equate to a KO/sub.
If you weren’t impressed by Guillard slipping out of rage damn near every time Stephens went to throw at him I don’t know what to say. Melvin made Stephens look like an idiot every time he swung and hit air, and to me that’s pretty impressive. Do I wish he had made him pay more with counters? Sure, but Stephens has an iron jaw and Melvin has time to improve on that. Overall though I’d say Guillard has nothing to be ashamed of in that performance.
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by lowellthehammer on Sep 26, 2010 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions
If Stephens wasn’t generally known as a flat footed brawler, I would agree that Guillard making him look like one would be impressive. Instead he merely took advantage of a stylistic matchup to fight a maddeningly safe and dull fight where he was terrified to engage or throw a combination beyond two strikes. If Guillard had doubled up the jab he probably could have put something behind it to end the fight by the second round. Instead all we’ve learned is that Guillard is now afraid to engage. Given his history as a sucker for submissions and overall headcase, that doesn’t bode well for his future as a lightweight in a stacked division barring a once in a generation sort of turnaround. I am willing to bet against the turnaround based on what I saw.
by VirtualBalboa on Sep 26, 2010 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Stout is a better striker than Guillard (although with less power)
and every time he started to get his rhythm down Stephens about took his head off with punches. Sure he’s a flat-footed brawler, but he’s really good at it. Easy to dismiss his ability in hindsight etc. etc.
Also, I’m not sure how you’ve determined a pattern of being afraid to engage when he decided not to stand in front of a guy with serious KO power for one fight but I’d love to hear your reasoning.
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by lowellthehammer on Sep 26, 2010 2:30 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t think Guillard and Stout are on entirely different levels technically, though I certainly think Guillard is athletically has more potential. And so that’s what you saw tonight – a guy who can move around figures out he can and pulls a Cory Spinks against a guy who isn’t good enough to adjust to the speed and time the rushes. Its not like Guillard was giving him tons of different looks either.
Going back to Guillard – he pulled out a split decision win basically trying to points fight. That’s nice against a guy who isn’t big at the weight and isn’t terribly athletic, nor necessarily a technical master. But when he moves back up and has to fight, I dunno, a Tyson Griffin? You know, a guy who can match his physical potential? He won’t be able to do that.
by VirtualBalboa on Sep 26, 2010 2:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Split was bull, not sure why you would bring that up.
You really think Griffin of all people is going to give Melvin trouble? A mediocre wrestler who has fallen in love with his mediocre stand-up and has little to no power? Melvin would wreck him in a hypothetical fight.
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by lowellthehammer on Sep 26, 2010 2:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I do think he’d give him trouble. Why wouldn’t I? Because Melvin Guillard beats the sort of guys he generally scores wins over? There’s a great deal of separation from Waylon Lowe to someone like Joe Lauzon or Tyson Griffin. Point at Griffin’s failures if you want, but he fights guys with much higher profiles and rankings. Tyson has a win over the best guy Guillard beat in the UFC, plus Dos Anjos, Guida, Tavares, etc.
by VirtualBalboa on Sep 26, 2010 3:00 AM EDT up reply actions
He also has a very recent loss to a fighter similar in style to Guillard.
Griffin is a higher profile opponent then Melvin’s recent wins, but Griffin’s big wins are centered around defending takedowns against grappling-centric fighters and then out-striking them. I see little evidence that he wins a striking match with Melvin, and he doesn’t have the strong takedowns to keep Melvin grounded.
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by lowellthehammer on Sep 26, 2010 3:08 AM EDT up reply actions
As depleted as Gomi has appeared, his peak is much, much higher than Melvin’s. Honestly I didn’t see anything worth getting excited about out there from Melvin. I see a Melvin Guillard who doesn’t sit on his punches, and that’s a guy who isn’t all that dangerous to trade with.
by VirtualBalboa on Sep 26, 2010 3:22 AM EDT up reply actions
You're basing all of these assumptions on one fight.
You think Guillard is really going to be scared to trade with Tyson Griffin of all people? The one who only managed a TKO of a Franca that didn’t even show up to fight? Methinks there’s too much extrapolating on your part my friend.
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Sakuraba: If he means it, he should demonstrate his respect. If he means it, he shouldn't punch me...If he does that during the fight, I'm gonna say "Hey, what you are doing right now is not even close to respecting me!" Then I'lI probably throw him on the judge's table.
by lowellthehammer on Sep 26, 2010 3:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Like I said before – he had the handspeed advantage and was moving in and out without getting clipped too heavily. If he put together shots he probably could have gotten rid of Stephens. There was none of that.
I just don’t see this as being a performance like when Belfort would crawl into a defensive shell and give away fights. It looks too planned for that. That worries me about how he’ll gameplan in the future. At least he has the option of a Plan B.
by VirtualBalboa on Sep 26, 2010 3:34 AM EDT up reply actions
What pissed me off is Melvin asked for this fight specifically, which led me to believe he was gonna try to make a statement.
Luckily I prepared myself to watch a decision because good ole Greg “don’t risk it” Jackson was his strategist.
by RoB_ex on Sep 26, 2010 6:34 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Technically....
Melvin asked for Jeremy “Stephenson”, so perhaps he was expecting another guy….
/UFC 78 was worse
by BrothersGottaAndyHug on Sep 26, 2010 11:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I wouldn’t say Guillard was scared. I think he knew that he was pulling a kalib starnes in this fight. I honestly thought he shouldn’t have won it. He landed with the jab often, but never really set anything up, it looked like he was sparring. I will admit He did have the occasional burst of aggression. But he was on his horse this whole fight. And if “by making Stephens look bad”, you mean Melvin circled away backpedaling for 14 minutes last night while stephens came forward throwing punches (with limited success I admit) and at least was making an attempt to have a fight with Melvin Guillard. I would say was the worst fight of the night even over the Mir-Cro cop dance off.
by OptimusPiss on Sep 26, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Terrified? Afraid?
Please……stop. If Guillard’s plan was to make Stephens look bad, he was uber successful….speed kills Del. To suggest that he was terrified or afraid is absurd….Tactically smart? Yep. Utilizing your strengths while accentuating your opponent’s weaknesses? Yep. All I’ve learned is that you fail to recognize that the gap between what you expected to see in this fight and the reality of what happened has your panties in a bunch. And making comments like this clearly suggests you have never been in a cage yourself….what a shock.
Just because I’ve never been in a boxing ring doesn’t mean I can’t say Mosley/Mora was crap. As “tactically smart” as this was, Guillard was hardly dominant. He damn near lost the fight.
by VirtualBalboa on Sep 26, 2010 7:55 AM EDT up reply actions
He did not come to fight
He put on a Starnesian performance, never trying to engage on the feet or on the ground. It was a disgraceful decision. I nearly walked out then, and if I’d have known what the ME was going to look like I would have.
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by jebushchrist on Sep 26, 2010 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions
no way Stephens was robbed
I don’t even think it was that close, it was all Melvin.
I agree with Dunham and Nog, although I wasn’t shocked he didn’t get it, it was very close and i knew they’d weight his do-nothing takedowns.
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120 could vey well be worse
But this was a bad one
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by Jonathan Snowden on Sep 26, 2010 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions
In this case, he's reading our minds (or at least my mind) with 100% accuracy
especially regarding Serra v. Lytle…at least they didn’t get rewarded with FOTN for that mess.
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I don't think so.
I think it was given to Dunham/Sherk and Mitirion/beltran
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Dana said at the presser it’s dunham/sherk and mittrione/beltran.
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Its been changed. Go on that page. Wonder how they got it wrong?
by VirtualBalboa on Sep 26, 2010 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I just meant that it was an instant attention grabber.
And I was mainly referring to the headline. Seemed like instant hyperbole. Upon second thought, however, it IS hard to think of a more underwhelming card in the TUF era.
I think we’ve come to learn from UFC 119, the MIXED in MIXED martial arts is an important ingredient for entertaining fights. All the complaints about lay and pray and point boxing, it all boils down to those styles taking the mixed out of mixed martial arts
by pandaboy99 on Sep 26, 2010 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's the moral to the story last night.
Well put.
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by duck on Sep 26, 2010 9:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not even close
But it’s definitely the worst one in the past few years.
The prelims made up for the PPV.
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Poor Hunto
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by menckenstein on Sep 26, 2010 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions
One was okay, the other a fast sub. Not sure I agree. The Hunt thing wasn’t even a real professional MMA fight.
by Jonathan Snowden on Sep 26, 2010 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Audinwood/Tavares had a very impressive sub
Same with CB Dollaway and I can’t stand him.
Mitrione/Beltran was sloppy as hell but more entertaining than 60% of the PPV.
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Yeah, getting kimura’d/straight armbarred from guard is LOLtastic.
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by Mike Fagan on Sep 26, 2010 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I couldn’t believe it! Worked Japanese wrestling fighters know enough not to pretend that’s a finishing hold!
by Jonathan Snowden on Sep 26, 2010 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions
No shit
I have never seen an unsupported (ie; in-air) armbar in MMA, ever. I don’t think I’ve ever even seen that in a pure BJJ match, either. Whitest of white-belt subs.
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So, basically, you did not pay for the PPV.
by VirtualBalboa on Sep 26, 2010 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions
No. I'm not sure what it has to do with it.
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You get a free sample of something at the grocery store. Hey, its delicious! So you spend $20 on acquiring more to bring home. You get it home, and it is mostly rotten with a couple bits that are actually edible. Goods are sold as is, so no refund is possible. Would you then say, “Oh, well, the free sample was delicious! My $20 was well spent!”
Well, the free sample was for something that cost $50. And it sucked.
by VirtualBalboa on Sep 26, 2010 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Ahh okay I see what you're saying.
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It's the worst I've ever seen, but I haven't seen everything
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UFC 103 always gets my vote as the worst
Had me apologizing to my friends for getting them to come out to BWW.
As for this one, I think the free hour on Spike might have been better than the PPV itself….
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by The Lethal Haze on Sep 26, 2010 1:33 AM EDT reply actions
Koscheck vs Trigg, JDS vs Cro Cop, Franklin vs Belfort were horrible mismatches. While KOs and subs are cool, competitive fights are way better. And these fights were kinda sad too, with aging legends (or just an aging name is Trigg’s case) basically being fed to younger hungrier fighters.
I remember one fight where it was some horrible kickboxing with virtually no defense that ended in a KO; it was like both fighters agreed not to block, parry, slip, or dodge each others strikes. Simply horrible.
I don’t remember any of the rest of the card.
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by The Lethal Haze on Sep 26, 2010 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not entirely sure what this image is trying to convey.
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Twitter me and what not.
Thats supposed to be Snowden complaining about the UFC card. Thats what I took from it anyway
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by The Lethal Haze on Sep 26, 2010 2:34 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
He’s a troll who has actually followed me to BE to complain. Amazing! That’s dedication!
by Jonathan Snowden on Sep 26, 2010 2:37 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Keep doing your thing
You’ve got a fanclub complete with mindless stalker trolls. You’re doing something right.
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by The Lethal Haze on Sep 26, 2010 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions
What are you shiteing on about? Bloody Elbow is not the first blog I signed up to on SBNation nor is this the first blog I commented on here.
Just because I was a part of shiting on his early failed troll attempts on a Wrestling message board doesn’t make me a troll.
Recycling material. Pretty typical and boring. Add an opinion or something of value please.
by Jonathan Snowden on Sep 26, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Personal attacks are bannable offenses. The guy writes plenty of things to disagree with, so do that. Add something to the conversation. Seriously. Get a new horse.
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by jebushchrist on Sep 26, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Snowden was the first person to attack in this thread. All because I made a joke relating to the title of the blog and some of the instant fan reaction to the card in general. By the looks of the recs it has gotten people got the joke. I’ve no real issues with the content of the blog. I would have never said what I said about Snowden’s writing if Snowden didn’t call me a troll in the first place.
Despite claims I am a cyber stalker I don’t know what goes on here but some of you guys seem to be really hyper sensitive about perceived slights it seems. To make things clear my post was not a dig at Snowden.
Not so much hyper-sensitive in general
But very careful to maintain decorum and not have disussions devolve into pissing contests, overt fighter bashing or name calling.
Keeping it civilized allows us much more latitude on various topics without having to worry about be overly offensive.
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by BigDNotDallas on Sep 26, 2010 12:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The only name calling here was by Snowden and Lethal Haze. All I did was make a joke about the general reaction to the fight. I’ve never met or seen Snowden I don’t think even seen a headshot. If he has issues with his weight it is not something I was privy to prior to my post.
Like I said already those weren’t looking to make an issue out of nothing or settle some score got the joke.
No more meta comments. You are wasting everyone’s time.
by Jonathan Snowden on Sep 26, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Another applicant to the fan club I see
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by The Lethal Haze on Sep 26, 2010 3:00 AM EDT up reply actions
When a man literally has strangers getting in line to insult him anonymously on the internet, he’s doing something right.
I don’t love him though. If he gave me a free copy of his book, though, that could very well change.
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by The Lethal Haze on Sep 26, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t insult him but you jumped to the conclusion I did. Admirable in some respects but a bit precious all the same.
That obese manchild from the Simpson’s that you posted- wasn’t that supposed to be Snowden? If its not, what did you mean by posting that pic?
If you did compare him to that guy, and don’t think the comparison is insulting, there really is no need for you to respond.
When I'm on the mic it goes down, CINTRON
-Joell Ortiz
by The Lethal Haze on Sep 26, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Read my posts above.
I still dont know why were abusive to me calling me a mindless stalker troll if dont think the comparsion is insulting.
Let me get this straight- comparing someone (Snowden) to a fat loser manchild isn’t insulting?
When I'm on the mic it goes down, CINTRON
-Joell Ortiz
by The Lethal Haze on Sep 26, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Read my posts above…..
Lethal Haze you are the one trolling here please knock it off. Either make an attempt to read or just dont bother replying.
This is my last one
You asking me to read is lame, especially considering I asked you a question point blank twice and you can’t bring yourself to answer it. If only I could read your response to my question.
Your first post on this page was of a picture- you added nothing to the conversation about 119. I feel fairly confident in saying you came to troll (insult) Snowden, given what the picture was. 90% of your following posts have been defending yourself, ie, not adding to the conversation about 119.
You disagree with his points, and as someone said above, come here to discuss that. Bring up a point of his you think is wrong, and say why you think its wrong. Lets have discussion, disagreement, debate. Lets think about views other people have that didn’t occur to us before. Posting an insulting pic without words? That shit is trolling. Add something to the conversation.
When I'm on the mic it goes down, CINTRON
-Joell Ortiz
by The Lethal Haze on Sep 26, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Stop white knighting as that started this mess firstly along with your name calling when you dont even know who I am.
Me asking you to read isnt lame as I already answered you questions literally just a few posts above. Especially when seemingly you still havent read them. 90% of my following posts could have been prevented if you didnt white knight in the first place and actually read my posts or give me the benifit of the doubt instead of jumping to conclusions and being combative.
If posting a pic without words is trolling them ban half the posters on here.
I guess that means I'm golden!
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 26, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
At the point where
you have gifs dedicated to telling you to STFU, I think that means your platinum.
For real, figure out how to monetize your minor internet celebrity status. It would be criminal if you don’t. Don’t let the hate go to waste.
When I'm on the mic it goes down, CINTRON
-Joell Ortiz
by The Lethal Haze on Sep 26, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah the main event was crap, and I thought the Sherk/Dunham decision was “on the permanent list of epically bad ones”. But the fights were pretty good until the end.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Sep 26, 2010 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions
112 was pretty bad
Forgot about that one
"Now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb."
If we count the undercard then, no, it was not the worst of all time.
The main card, by itself, is certainly down with the worst of all time. Not ready to call it the worst, though.
More importantly: this is now two PPVs in a row that I have found, on the whole, to be terribly disappointing. 118 showcased the worst of the ground game, while 119 showcased the worst of the standup. I don’t care where the fights end up, just do work.
I specializes in grammar fail.
I think this is the first article i've agreed with you
I wouldn’t say its the worst but it’s definitely pretty bad. The Dunham vs. Sherk fight was pretty amazing but the bullshit decision ruined it.
I agree with you and I agree with this article.
Glad he gets paid to write it, cause now I don’t have to try and say the same thing for free….I woulda done it poorly anyhow.
Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac?
George Carlin
With a joke of a main event
85 wasn’t too good but that was the most injury hit card I could think of before 108.
Bandwagon leader for Michael Robinson as Seattle Seahawks starting QB.
Of course Guillard was avoiding standing in front of Stephens.
He has the edge in speed and footwork and he used it, and how in the hell can you blame him? People need to stop complaining when guys fight in a manner that plays to their strengths – old Guillard probably would’ve brawled with Stephens and gotten KO’d and then been called an idiot. Easy to trash someone’s performance when you don’t have to pay their bills.
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Sakuraba: If he means it, he should demonstrate his respect. If he means it, he shouldn't punch me...If he does that during the fight, I'm gonna say "Hey, what you are doing right now is not even close to respecting me!" Then I'lI probably throw him on the judge's table.
by lowellthehammer on Sep 26, 2010 1:38 AM EDT reply actions
I have a great idea
Totally original. How about Zuffa merges the WEC and its weight classes with the UFC, so boredom is never a problem for any show?!
I’m a genius.
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by SSreporters on Sep 26, 2010 1:39 AM EDT reply actions 8 recs
EXACTLY!!!!
Ever seen a boring WEC? No, you haven’t. It’s not possible.
Shut up, Tito.
by TruthSeeker1223 on Sep 26, 2010 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Please…make it so.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Sep 26, 2010 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions
YES
and bring the smaller cage along with them too please
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-Joell Ortiz
by The Lethal Haze on Sep 26, 2010 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Crazy talk.
And then God created Saturn... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
Twitter me and what not.
This idea gives me wet dreams.
Proud member of the newly established Frankie Edgar bandwagon
Cain will beat Brock, I am accepting sig bets.
The only thing that was bad
was the main event and the judging.
You can’t tell me you weren’t entertained by Dunham Vs Sherk. Melvin vs Jeremy, Lytle vs Serra. Those were all great wars. There were way too many decisions but other then that the fights were entertaining. It’s just the main even ruined it.
Shut up, Tito.
by TruthSeeker1223 on Sep 26, 2010 1:39 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Exactly
This card wasn’t that bad – the judging was worse than most of the performances – and the Dolloway fight was one of the most exciting ground fights I have ever seen, with an awesome sub finish.
certified warlord
Dunham – Sherk was a great fight, but was marred by the horrible decision. Lytle – Serra was OK, but not particularly good IMO.. Guillard – Stephens was terrible though, don’t understand how you could like that one. Two guys fighting scared and conservative, not getting anything going at all.
by Horselover Fat on Sep 26, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
But, but, but, Dana...
said we’d be getting our money’s worth!
LOL!
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we don't all have MC Hammer money
now please try not to spend all of Marquadt’s cash on baggy pants and Oakland ghetto mansions.
Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac?
George Carlin
This was the worst UFC event in a long time. It was definitely worse than UFC 78, which gets too many knocks for a bad main event fight.
But the salad I had at Applebee’s was pretty good.
what was so bad about it? Besides the main event and judging?
Shut up, Tito.
by TruthSeeker1223 on Sep 26, 2010 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Lack of Star Power?
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by TooLegitToQuit on Sep 26, 2010 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions
lack of star performance
plenty of names on the card, but add them all up and they = bleh…
Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac?
George Carlin
Mir can't carry a card. We knew that coming into the fight. I guess for what it was I thought it was good. Considering that it didn't have the "star power" I thought it was good. I would say it should have been a fight night though.
Shut up, Tito.
by TruthSeeker1223 on Sep 26, 2010 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess we all define star power in our own way
There were 3 former UFC champs and a Nog and Crocop fighting, and only Sherk showed up with his motor running.
Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac?
George Carlin
Bader wanted no part of Nog on the feet after round 1, and only managed to score weak flash takedowns for the remainder of the fight. If he had engaged more, it would have been a better fight. Nog was pressing the action for the entire 15 minutes.
When I'm on the mic it goes down, CINTRON
-Joell Ortiz
by The Lethal Haze on Sep 26, 2010 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, you could read the article for that answer?
by Jonathan Snowden on Sep 26, 2010 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah, I read it. Didn’t say much to me. I think people just had in their mind that this card was going to suck so as soon as that main event ended people wanted to bash the event.
Shut up, Tito.
by TruthSeeker1223 on Sep 26, 2010 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Sherk/Dunham was good, but Mir/Cro Cop, Bader/Nog, and Guillard/Stephens were all boring as hell. And while I like a sloppy kickboxing war as much as the next guy, Lytle/Serra was prety awful too.
And since all the fights went to decision, they only showed 5 fights on the PPV.
by MMABookworm on Sep 26, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Vision
I don’t know, but my “Bad-UFC-PPV-Spidey-Sense” has worked pretty well over the last few years. I sat this one out. Honestly, I don’t think I needed to use a super power to make a decision to skip this one. Thanks for the verification.
The Republic is doomed. Doomed!
How ‘bout pathetic?…it did get the job done. First KO where I didn’t even get excited much, stayed pretty much in disgust. I did like the rest of the card apart from the decisions. Weird night for our intrepid announcing duo as well…
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Sep 26, 2010 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I seriously didn't move a muscle when he got that knock out.
I can’t stand Mir so I was upset that he won but I also was mad that he won with that knockout on such a horrible fight.
Shut up, Tito.
by TruthSeeker1223 on Sep 26, 2010 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I know it. The worst part was that Mirko looked quicker to me than he has in his last few fights. His takedown defense was more than enough for Frank, and he’s held his own on the ground with some tough guys. I thought at least in the last minute of the rounds, Mirko would show some of that old aggression and cut loose. I love him, but I think he should hang it up. He’s still got the toughness and skills to beat a lot of guys, but he exhibits no hunger to fight anymore, and the division has passed him by.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Sep 26, 2010 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Crop Cop has zero counter striking ability. Every time Mir would get close he’d duck his head and then put up his arms and push him off. I just don’t know what he was doing.
Won’t be surprised if Cro Cop gets cut. They probably won’t since he took the fight on short notice.
Shut up, Tito.
by TruthSeeker1223 on Sep 26, 2010 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Didn't move a muscle?
You got too much hate, brother. I and everyone else in the room jumped out of our seats when Mir landed that knee. Woke everybody up, for sure!
certified warlord
I think I was just so bummed about how that fight was going that as soon as the knee landed I couldn’t move. I guess I was upset that Mir got a knock out after fighting a crappy fight. I will say it’s not all Mir. I think Cro Cop did a horrible job of “bringing” the fight to him as well.
I don’t think it was as bad of a card as most people do I just wasn’t happy with the main event…… Life goes on.
Shut up, Tito.
by TruthSeeker1223 on Sep 27, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes. It was an embarrassing and off balance knee that seemed to shock him as much as anybody.
by Jonathan Snowden on Sep 26, 2010 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions
i love this site
but it is truly strange sometimes.
I figured Mir would just thanking his lucky stars that he won in a decisive fashion – off-balance or not.
This card was so uninteresting
I was baking Motzza Sticks….they were really good Motzza Sticks.
by Guillermo Ponce on Sep 26, 2010 1:44 AM EDT reply actions
Great analysis, couldn’t agree more with the article. Awful, awful, awful show. I did, however, find Joe Rogan’s commentary quite amusing during the main event. I don’t ever recall a fight ending in such a dramatic last-minute KO yet everyone still saying “meh, that sucked.” That’s how bad it was…the fight sucked and so did the whole card. 121 can’t come soon enough…
Snowden is just a Negative Nancy...
… who likes to stir the pot so that people will read his blog posts because they’re very controversial or mildly controversial. This one is the latter.
The all time worst UFC event was (and probably will always be) UFC 33 Victory in Vegas.
3 Title fights went to a decision. Tito vs Vladimir was one of the worst fights in UFC history (right behind A. Silva vs. Leites). Out of the 8 fights, 6 went to decision.
UFC 119 isn’t even CLOSE to being the worst UFC of all time.
by jrt0111 on Sep 26, 2010 1:45 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Tito and Vlad was better than this fight. At least there was skills and intent to fight there.
by Jonathan Snowden on Sep 26, 2010 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah Tito and Matyushenko was a lot better. But, Rizzo vs Randleman has to take the cake.
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by RagingNoodles on Sep 26, 2010 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
UFC 33 was worse
but this one’s pretty up-there.
I dont know what most of u are crying about,, it was bad judging in a couple of fights and also the main event sucked but other than that it was pretty good.
by #1 piggy on Sep 26, 2010 1:48 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
lol.
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by TooLegitToQuit on Sep 26, 2010 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Crocop should retire inmediately
He has lost his killer insctint since he came in the UFC.He should retire inmediately or go to Japan and win uncompetitive fights, there, he will be adored forever
Only good thing to come from this card is that I did pretty well on mmaplayground. That and the Sherk fight was cool until the judges stepped in.
Mir, Nightmare , Axe Murderer , Bones
I did too, but even that has a hollow feeling...
I guess it’s time to spot pussy footing around and bet with REAL $.
I’d be hanging off Mir’s nuts if the parlay he secured wasn’t just for mmaplayground
Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac?
George Carlin
I'm watching Lost reruns on ABC now
And I would rather watch Jacob and the Man in Black fight in a cage rather than watch a main event like that.
by memitim on Sep 26, 2010 1:52 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
No it’s not, the idea that anyone with a straight face is actually saying that this is one of the worst cards in UFC history boggles my mind. It shouldn’t it’s a ridiculous anti-zuffa piece by known hater Snowden but even i’m surprised that he would reach this far to get people to post on his articles.
The fact that he with straight face is going to complain about Guillard/Stephens, downplay the Bader/Nog fight and work some bs about the Serra/Lytle fight. Truly leaves me just shaking my head, yeah the ME wasn’t a great fight but it still delivered a very memorable KO.
Truly I don’t know why i’m surprised this was coming people have been setting this up for months now, it’s the same bullshit that we got at the start of the year. It’s just sad to see that some people are just interested in pushing their own agenda’s regardless of the facts which is pretty pathetic.
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cause what's your Rampage to Rashad Evans/"
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I actually apologized to my friends
Horrible card. I thought it had potential but the actual fights were so voting even I, a ufc mark, regretted buying the card.
Get rid of the ramp!
by ihateemo on Sep 26, 2010 1:53 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Voting, boring. Whatever.
Get rid of the ramp!
by ihateemo on Sep 26, 2010 1:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It absolutely was, that thought came to mind mid way through the show, but am i bitter? Absolutely not? Am i mad, upset, pissed off??? No no no, only an uneducated or barely casual fan would be. I have absolutely nothing buy the utmost respect for every fighter that steps into that octagon or any cage or ring for that matter. These are our modern day gladiators! I’ve had way more, way way more nights of enjoyable fights and entire cards than i have of slow or uneventful ones. If there was a UFC event on tomorrow, id be just as pumped and eager as ever to watch it and still invite everyone i knew over to conduct a hostile takeover of my living room. Anyone that understand the fight game, and you don’t have to be a fighter to have that knowledge, knows that a fighters job is to win, plain and simple, he gets paid more, his stature rises, and he will come out of that fight being more knowledgeable. His job is NOT to entertain the fans, he has his family, and coach and team and tons of other bills and problems to worry about and to get that W makes all those things a little bit easier to deal with. Tonight’s card was a very rare case of slow paced fights, there are still many parts im going to watch again on my DVR tomorrow. I’m a TRUE MMA fan and even though there were many times throughout the night when i devoted my attention elsewhere besides my TV, im itching for that next event to be 1 minute away from going live as i pop open my first Corona light of the nite!!!
I enjoyed this show, the prelims were very good. I actually thought they should have given 3 FON bonuses to Mitrione v Beltran, Serra v Lytle, and Dunham v Sherk. Dalloway, and McCorkle had nice submissions. The Guillard v Stephens fight, and Mir v Cro Cop were major disappointments, but overall I thought it was a good card. Not great but good.
FON bonuses to Mitrione v Beltran
Really?
When I'm on the mic it goes down, CINTRON
-Joell Ortiz
by The Lethal Haze on Sep 26, 2010 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Round one was great. Round two was okay. Round three was two fat guys out of breath. FOTN bonus? I’m as big a fan of the Mexecutioner as the next guy, but this is setting the FOTN threshold a little low.
When I'm on the mic it goes down, CINTRON
-Joell Ortiz
by The Lethal Haze on Sep 26, 2010 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Mitrione was out of breath?
I’ve seen out of breath fighters. For a big guy like Mitrione, he sure was bouncing around quite a bit even in the third round. Compared to how he looked on TUF and it is a big improvement.
For a big guy like Mitrione
I’m gonna take this to mean you basically agree with me. Its like saying “for fat asses, they both had decent cardio”. Saying he showed improvement over TUF isn’t saying much.
When I'm on the mic it goes down, CINTRON
-Joell Ortiz
by The Lethal Haze on Sep 26, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
i enjoyed this card
the serra fight , mitrone fight , sherk fight were all fun
seeing hunt get his elbow poped was brutal
and jon how can a KO be shamful , thats just ridiculous
by Richard Doughty on Sep 26, 2010 2:01 AM EDT reply actions
I beg to differ.
Munoz vs Grove and Edgar vs Penn were much more exciting than anything on this card.
Bisping vs Akiyma will go to decision too…and I dont even know who is on the undercard lol. The sport has jumped the shark. Bring back a better rule set…reward finishes…and fuck the unified rules.
by JimmersonzGlove on Sep 26, 2010 2:03 AM EDT reply actions
AMERICAN MMA FANS are the worst MMA fans.
Watching years of Japanese MMA and last nights Dream 16, i’ve realized that Americans fans will never be happy unless each fight is a brawl that ends in a Rocky like KO. Americans fans boo anything that gets technical and piss and moan if a fight isn’t “MMA” enough. They say, " If I want to watch a stand up fight i’ll watch boxing or kickboxing." UFC will never makes fan happy because you can’t make everybody like a card. MMA cards are too different and unpredictable for the UFC to be able to guarantee a card that everybody will enjoy. “THIS IS THE WORST CARD EVER!” shut up you didn’t even pay for it. It was an ok card. Some fights delivered some didn’t. Don’t judge an entire card by the main event. If you do that, then show what little you know about MMA matchmaking. The card was solid/good until the main event.
Btw, the MMA “media”, kids sitting in their rooms in shorts, are just as bad. So to MMA fans/ MMA “media”:
by Lil_Machete on Sep 26, 2010 2:04 AM EDT reply actions 9 recs
Man you have us Amurricans all wrong.
Machida vs. Shogun 1 was a very technical main event and I was in the crowd going nuts along with the rest of the arena for that fight and the whole card was solid save for the early stoppage in Velasquez vs Rothwell. UFC 117 in Oakland was AMAZING and it ended in a sub. Tonight’s fights were shitty, DREAM.16’s fights were also shitty save Omigawa, Hansen and Takaya, and Bellator’s latest card on Thursday was also shitty, and they had fucking BANTAMWEIGHTS who are supposed to be balls to the wall.
by Polyhedron on Sep 26, 2010 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, you just sit in your tower.
And then God created Saturn... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
Twitter me and what not.
Proof that American fans are bad...
they loved the Meathead/Beltran fight but hated everything else. That fights was basically a street brawl between a cholo and a big white guy. There was ZERO technique in that fight but they all loved it. “JUST BLEED” is the most honest an American fan has been. I’m an American by the way.
Surprised you can read my comment from all the way up there.
I’m American and nothing you said described anything I felt.
And then God created Saturn... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
Twitter me and what not.
Round one was OK. The Mexecutioner showed that while not the best fighter, he does fight Mexican style, and can capitalize on opportunities (like when he rushed Mittrione after stunning him).
Other than that the fight blew.
When I'm on the mic it goes down, CINTRON
-Joell Ortiz
by The Lethal Haze on Sep 26, 2010 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions
AND....
American fans even boo when someone takes a five minute break for a nut shot or eye poke. What kind of s**t is that? How dumb is that?
I'm on board for this.
I wish everyone who booed the rest period could receive a groin kick of their own…
Fitch's only fan. It's lonely, being me.
That crowd sucked.
I can’t imagine booing Stephens-Guillard.
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 26, 2010 2:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I think they were booing Guillard
If you’re going to call yourself “The Young Assassin” you should really come to fight.
Perhaps my best years are gone... but I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
by jebushchrist on Sep 26, 2010 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions
You probably also shouldn’t be in your late 20s.
Resident Capologist
by clrkaitken on Sep 26, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm Brazilian...
…born at the birthplace of this shit, and I thought it was boring as all hell.
Por isso eu tomo ópio / é um remédio / sou um convalescente do momento / moro no rés-do-chão do pensamento / e ver passar a vida faz-me tédio
NO, I refuse to calm down. I'm from the streets. ARF ARF, WU-TTANG.
The show was shit, save for Dunham/Sherk that was tainted by an awful decision.
Walking the line between intelligence and ignorance since 1985
@deowade
by Damon O. on Sep 26, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
glad to green this
Proud member of the newly established Frankie Edgar bandwagon
Cain will beat Brock, I am accepting sig bets.
I payed for that shit
& like many other fans, I did not think I got my moneys worth. What I saw from the majority of the fights was point-fighting and wall & stall, and If I wanted to watch that, I would go find a Machida montage.
I'm Don Frye and your not. - Don Frye
by MrTechnique420 on Sep 26, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
ok for real guys
if you think the worst ufc has happened within the last five years, get a fucking clue
by bundt on Sep 26, 2010 2:06 AM EDT reply actions 5 recs
thank you. these people are out of control. Now I know why Glenn Beck has people watching him.
People are easy to get worked up.
If you're JUST realizing the key to Beck's success, you're a little slow...
But true nonetheless. It ended on a bad note, and nothing from tonight will make the highlight reel. BUT, there was some action. Even if it wasn’t the most technically sound action, you at least got to see some people throwing hands.
by Viewer 3 on Sep 26, 2010 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
^^This.
I knew the judges were gonna give it to Bader due to the TDs and I was pissed about it nonetheless. Not as pissed as the Evans/Silva fight, but pissed all the same.
The Nog Bader decision really pissed me off
The 30-27 unanimous decision is just another example of why North American MMA judging and their hard on for the takedwon sucks. Bader took way more damage than he gave in rounds 2 and 3 and won both of them off of takedowns in which Rogerio basically popped right back up afterward. Lil Nog stuffed at least 85% of the takedowns, and that counts for nothing. Bader backpedaled on his feet virtually all of rounds two and three while Nog came forward throwing strikes.
The only upside to that fight is that Bader is gonna get hellbow fucked by Bones.
When I'm on the mic it goes down, CINTRON
-Joell Ortiz
by The Lethal Haze on Sep 26, 2010 2:06 AM EDT reply actions
Lil Nog lost that fight.
Sorry.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 26, 2010 2:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I saw it.
So I know he lost. Thanks for adding to the conversation.
When I'm on the mic it goes down, CINTRON
-Joell Ortiz
by The Lethal Haze on Sep 26, 2010 2:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Position matters in scoring, sorry? Is that better?
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 26, 2010 2:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess what, 30 seconds spent on the ground with one fighter laying on top of the other doing nothing does make up for the other 9:30 of the two last rounds.
Flash takedowns FTW!
When I'm on the mic it goes down, CINTRON
-Joell Ortiz
by The Lethal Haze on Sep 26, 2010 3:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I would recommend defending against them.
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 26, 2010 3:14 AM EDT up reply actions
30 seconds pinning someone > 9:30 seconds walking someone down and punching them in the face
Thanks for the valuable insight Subo!
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by The Lethal Haze on Sep 26, 2010 3:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Light a candle at the Shrine of Noguiera for me. At least his brother wasn’t there to lose with him.
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 26, 2010 3:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I totally agree with you, but we all know how things are judged, and so does Minotoro. I still thought he won, as the takedowns were inconsequential, but you really need to do some damage standing to negate them. Just didn’t happen.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Sep 26, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
One thing I enjoyed:
The Yahoo stream was great. It never dropped and the quality was good enough that I could make it BIG.
by Jonathan Snowden on Sep 26, 2010 2:07 AM EDT reply actions
UFC 120
Probably a little early to throw in the towel on UFC 120. It’s got potential. I imagine it’s going to be an all-or-nothing event. But at least it’ll be free.
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Hardy/Condit, Hathaway/Pyle and Bisping/Akiyama have fireworks written all over them IMO.
I thought the same about most of this card’s matchups though, so who am I to judge.
Not sure where it ranks in bad UFC cards.
This was the 1st PPV I didn’t purchase in 3 years. Not sure why, but this card just lacked the “it” factor. I can justify purchasing most cards for a single fight, this card didn’t have that fight.
Joe Silva makes great fights 95% of the time, tonight wasn’t his night.
I don't know about
worst of all time, but yes, it was absolutely wretched.
We should focus on the positives for the UFC
No one bought this card so they don’t have to worry about fans being turned off.
by John Nash on Sep 26, 2010 2:37 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I hate competitive match ups
I mean, guys can fight for fifteen minutes, and you genuinely question who won! Fuck that! Give me Mirko Cro Cop kicking the masked head off of a guy! Give me Hershel Walker against someone your dad would have a decent chance against!
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 26, 2010 2:45 AM EDT reply actions 7 recs
I seriously think you're missing the point here.
There are competitive matchups that prove to be exciting but many of the fights on the card simply lacked the ‘it’ factor or luster of excitement that we all hoped for.
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Then cry about it!
How many NFL fans bitched about NO-Minnesota being a 14-10 snoozer? How much would anyone care if they did?
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 26, 2010 2:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm sure plenty of people complained
And plenty of people didn’t care that people complained.
You on the other hand, seem to care that people are complaining.
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by The Lethal Haze on Sep 26, 2010 2:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Nobody complains about NFL games being boring.
Never happens in the media. You never hear fans cry about a successful, boring team. Why? Because winning matters. The Unified Rules are the Unified Rules. Everyone knows what they are, what they value and what they punish. Fighters that use them to their advantage deserve the points that associate with that decision. Fighters that don’t, don’t.
The perpetual negativity and whining lately on the scene is very, very displeasing to me. I feel like we are our own greatest enemies if we start trying to change the rules to make fights more “exciting”.
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 26, 2010 2:57 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Nobody complains about NFL games being boring.
Am I supposed to take what you have to say seriously when you open up with this? Oh wait you’re talking about the media. Why not compare MMA to other combat sports then, where the media and the announcers regularly call fights crap or boring if that’s the way they see it?
I feel like we are our own greatest enemies if we start trying to change the rules to make fights more "exciting".
This has been beaten to death on this board; all of the other Major Leagues have adjusted their rules to favor more exciting games. Your shit is weak.
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by The Lethal Haze on Sep 26, 2010 3:08 AM EDT up reply actions
We are not Them
Legitimacy must be achieved before we placate the whiny masses.
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 26, 2010 3:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, I could reply that the NBA added a shot clock and 3-point shot, while the NFL sped up their play clock and changed reciever contract rules to help make their sports competitive. But I won’t, because I pretty much agree with. The point were I disagree is that while several of this fights were competitive, I don’t think great performances were displayed in the Mir/Mirko or Serra/Lytle fights and was underwhelmed by Bader’s victory.
The other truth is that most fight fans aren’t true sports fans. They watch fights because two guys are beating the crap out of each other and we find that entertaining. If we were obsessed with it being a true sport we’d eliminate such distorting KO and sub bonuses or come up with an actual ranking system so we wouldn’t have arbitrary contenders or such squish matches as Koscheck vs Trigg or Gracie vs Hughes.
by John Nash on Sep 26, 2010 3:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Gracie vs Hughes was bad-ass and you know it
“Most fight fans” can eat a bag of shit, in that case. I’m all for their money, but they shouldn’t be whom the UFC attempts to serve.
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 26, 2010 3:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I mean, really?
Seriously, the ref should have ended that fight when Gracie asked Hughes to help him to his feet and Hughes did- in the middle of a fucking round. That fight actually bumped two guys who aren’t on the senior circuit and deserved to be in a UFC PPV off of the televised card. If you want MMA to be considered a real sport, that kind of shit has to go. Along with bullshit like Toney and Couture.
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by The Lethal Haze on Sep 26, 2010 3:28 AM EDT up reply actions
He may have meant the other Hughes/Gracie fight. Not that it was any less of a spectacle/squash.
by VirtualBalboa on Sep 26, 2010 3:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Matt Hughes is not on the senior circuit. Ricardo Almeida can tell you that, assuming he’s awake.
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 26, 2010 3:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Almeida rescued Hughes from the senior circuit, for now.
Thanks for conceding the rest of my point.
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by The Lethal Haze on Sep 26, 2010 3:33 AM EDT up reply actions
…I don’t think that shit needs to go, though. Herschel Walker/a guy you’d bet on your dad if they fought, yes. But not the most dominant WW of all time against a competent mixed martial artist.
Seriously though, Lil Nog will be back… maybe
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 26, 2010 3:35 AM EDT up reply actions
This isn’t an actual refutation of what he just said. Basically you just lived up to the stereotype he portrayed about the people watching this sport not giving a crap about it being a sport and preferring stupid, bad, meaningless tripe.
by VirtualBalboa on Sep 26, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
And MMA added rounds and gloves and rules
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 26, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I basically agree that people complain too much about fights. I liked the card other than Mir/Cro Cop, but you know you’re kidding yourself if you think the scoring is set in stone, clear-cut, consistent, or any other solid attribute you’d like to give it. Defend the second round of Sherk/Dunham, I dare you:)
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Sep 26, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually that was going to be my rebuttal
All you heard during and after that game was what an ugly, sloppy performance it was by two teams that should be capable of more. But since it was close and competitive I guess it was a good game.
by John Nash on Sep 26, 2010 3:01 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Sumbitch did beaucoup ratings
I enjoyed it, and I didn’t see Goodell freaking out about it.
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 26, 2010 3:15 AM EDT up reply actions
NFL fans/media bitch about boring, non-competitive games all the time,
so your entire premise is bunk, but let’s look at the other ways in which this isn’t a valid comparison:
1) NFL telecasts are free.
2) NFL “matchmaking” is not discretionary. Every team has to play every week (save one) during the season, including two games against each of their divisional rivals.
3) Virtually all NFL games have post-season implications. Even games between two non-contenders late in the season can impact playoff seeding.
My two big criteria for buying fights are that they a) feature fighters I like and b) feature fights that are meaningful from a title standpoint. This PPV failed both tests for me, so I didn’t buy it.
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by Dave Strummer on Sep 26, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Totally
We need more wrestling
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 26, 2010 2:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Stand upPoint fighting is ruining MMA
Fixed that for you. Fighting for the finish… whatever happened to the good old days?
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by The Lethal Haze on Sep 26, 2010 2:57 AM EDT up reply actions
whatever happened to the good old days?
The sport evolved right under our noses.
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 26, 2010 2:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Striking is a little better, wrestling is better, bjj is better.
The real solution is to outlaw Brazilian Jiu Jitsu learning. There would be way more finishes.
Fighting for the finish… whatever happened to the good old days?
Spoken like someone who wasn’t around for the ‘good old days’.
There were plenty of awful boring snoozers in the good old days too. Nothing we saw last night was anywhere near as boring as Shamrock-Gracie 2 or Shamrock-Severn.
I have been into MMA since ‘05, although Kimbo was the first TUF I actually watched. Back in the day, it just seemed like guys were fighting to finish, as opposed to fighting to win within the rules. I see a trend in MMA of playing it safe, playing the clock so to speak. I don’t like it.
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by The Lethal Haze on Sep 26, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
So you mean back in the good old days like 2005? When Tim Sylvia was ruling the HW division with his own exciting brand of jab & jog? When Sylvia & Arlovski put on a snoozer for ages in their third fight? When Jon Fitch was just starting his legendary run of decisions? Or when Rashad Evans & Josh Koscheck started out their careers as horribly boring blankets?
2005 was no different than 2010. There have always been boring fights and there have always been fighters willing to trade excitement for victories.
by Steve4192 on Sep 26, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Boom.
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 26, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
My FB from ’05 read PRIDE > UFC
So you may have a point that that shit was boring. Thats also why I liked PRIDE better than the UFC.
And there will always be boring fights, I just want to see guys try to finish.
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by The Lethal Haze on Sep 26, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, it’s Beltran.
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 26, 2010 2:54 AM EDT reply actions
I love how snowden never fails to take a shit on EVERY DETAIL of EVERY EVENT, even the things that aren’t worth shitting on. like calling the knee glancing….really? you think a glancing knee would put cro cop out cold? and the guillard fight was just fine, sure it wasn’t that exciting, but im a guillard fan and im far from butt hurt about it. seriously, it seems like your gf breaks up with you right before every post ufc event article. such a sourpuse….oh, and
by Hendo_One-Shot on Sep 26, 2010 2:54 AM EDT reply actions 6 recs
Dream 16 is a card that merits a bash post
but of course, it won’t happen. No big deal though.
exactly what i was thinking. he even had “predictable fights” as one of the complaints. dream was even more so.
by Hendo_One-Shot on Sep 26, 2010 3:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Dream16 won't get a post because no one cares about Japanese MMA
It doesn’t bring in traffic. This UFC event was mediocre at best and that’s being very nice. Awful judging ruined a great fight in Dunham/Sherk and the main event was awful until that knee.
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by Matthew Roth on Sep 26, 2010 3:22 AM EDT up reply actions
well remember, snowden gave the fight to sherk, so in his mind the judging was fine.
by Hendo_One-Shot on Sep 26, 2010 3:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought it was a very close fight, so I do think the judging was fine.
by Jonathan Snowden on Sep 26, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
not saying theres anything wrong with that, just saying In your opinion the judging did not ruin that fight.
by Hendo_One-Shot on Sep 26, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
judging issues are for another post
but for all the criticism here with regard for Dana’s inconsistencies, well, haha.
I guess in that sense, there is some consistency here.
Anyway I agree, the ME sucked.
My take on the event
1. I told you mothers that Mitrione was a beast.
2. Bader will never win a title cause of his gas tank. No way he can keep pace with Shogun/Machida/Rashad/Forrest
3. Mir is still Mir, just faced a run down Cro Cop.
4. Dunham was screwed.
5. I like Melvin and thought it was a decent fight, but Greg Jackson ruins fighters.
6. I got a 3 hour long lap dance so this was an alright night for me. The girl was sexting Brian Bowles.
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hahahah it was awesome
she sent him topless pictures and let me see them IRL. I got her number but who wants to hangout with a girl like that?
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by Matthew Roth on Sep 26, 2010 3:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I can think of a couple guys.
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by Barack Lesnar on Sep 26, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Me niggah me
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 26, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
OK
I can think of a few guys
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by Barack Lesnar on Sep 27, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Certainly taking liberties with the wording.
Minestrone is faaaaaaaaaaar from being a “beast”, he’s a lukewarm prospect at best.
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by lowellthehammer on Sep 26, 2010 3:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Here's my take on Mitrione
Everyone has said that Beltran was his first UFC caliber fighter. But, honestly couldn’t you say that Mitrione was Beltran’s first UFC caliber fight as well? Rolles Gracie and James McSweeny aren’t exactly world beaters, just like Kimbo Slice and Marcus Jones.
Mitrione has showed a great progression and should have another solid showing in his next bout.
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by Matthew Roth on Sep 26, 2010 3:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Tim Hague, not McSweeney.
Still, you basically made my point for me. Beltran is a blown up 205er and isn’t exactly a proven commodity and still managed to hurt Mitrione bad in the first and took him down rather easily. Not sure what you see in him besides brain damage but I think you’re probably the only one.
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by lowellthehammer on Sep 26, 2010 3:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, Tim Hague
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by Matthew Roth on Sep 26, 2010 3:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I would agree that I see progression from Mitrione, but the fact is that he is beating guys who very argurably are not truly deserving to be at the “UFC level”. He’s probably 4-5 fights away from fighting other “legitimate prospects”. I’m not sure he could beat a fighter like Tim Hague – its a good thing then that Hague isn’t around and instead they have bodies like Perosh and Hunt to offer him.
by VirtualBalboa on Sep 26, 2010 3:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m not gonna call Mitrione a beast, but he’s improved a lot. Really impressed with how well he moved and stuck that soft, heavy jab in Beltran’s face. I was not impressed with Bader either. I thought he looked surprisingly timid, and slowed a lot as the fight went on.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Sep 26, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
lol, no
Facts don't come with points of view.
by Robert Livingston on Sep 26, 2010 3:04 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
What’s such a shame about this is your interviews and historicism are second to none and I eagerly read all of it.
Your spouting hate of UFC reeks though. It’s so damned obvious that you love to hate on them it’s not even worth writing about.
It’s like reading a character critique of Manchester United, written by a diehard Chelsea fan. But even then I’d imagine some kind of shame.
You sir, are shameless. It certainly wasn’t a barnburner, but none of the fights were nearly as bad as you purport. Except for the ME, and even that wasn’t that bad. I can just see the smug grin on your face as you run to the computer to type your contrived post about how the UFC sucks. Yeesh.
It’s so ironic because I come here less because of this trash, but when I do come in I spend the most time reading your other stuff (Frank’s interview etc).
Hey, Mr. Snowden
I thought you were supposed to be, like, an MMA historian, an’ shit.
Ever heard of UFC 33?
I swear to God, you are the worst sort of sensational, hyperbolic, knee-jerk reporting.
by CstBoog on Sep 26, 2010 3:23 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Do you know what “biased reporting” is?
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by MrTechnique420 on Sep 26, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Other than the fact that this is an editorial, and not an article with actual reporting in it, yes it is biased reporting.
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by The Lethal Haze on Sep 26, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
By far not the worst UFC of all time....
But, Snowden is the worst trolling journalist I have ever seen.
Obviously Jonathon is a UFC overnighter who can’t seem to remember the UFC dark years of UFC 30 through 40.
MMA travels through cycles just like every sport, just imagine a time where guys like Tito and Pedro Rizzo were the stars of the ppv.
Do your homework before you spout such ignorance…..
I have been here since the beginning and UFC 119 was far from the worst and far from the best.
Rizzo had amazing fights with Couture at both UFC 31 and 34. And UFC 34 was an amazing show all around. Thanks for “Schooling” me though.
by Jonathan Snowden on Sep 26, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
UFC 30-40 weren’t the dark years dummy. 34-40 were good events. 33 sucked but was a stacked card. The last 6 SEG events were pretty rough. and didnt even come out on VHS or DVD in America.
by JimmersonzGlove on Sep 26, 2010 4:05 AM EDT reply actions
I mean, that’s a fairly infuriating thing for someone to say. In the guise of teaching a lesson to boot. UFC 30-40 was an amazing period and with the notable exception of UFC 33, Zuffa was knocking it out of the park with every show. That’s really an amazing thing to say.
by Jonathan Snowden on Sep 26, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Did you have to go to the Sherdog Fight finder to figure that out?
Just the fact that you have an obligation as a reporter/blogger whatever you are, to be as objective as possible. Did I enjoy last night’s PPV? Some fights yes (sherk/dunham and Serra/Lytle)
The main event was garbage and I felt most of the fighters were fighting not to lose versus fighting to win. The point is, you have the power educate the masses or whoever visits this site. With headlines such as “WAS UFC 119 THE WORST UFC SHOW OF ALL TIME?” I honestly have to ask…. WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU THINKING?
I used to feel ripped off when I only paid 24.99 and then eventually 39.99 for a UFC ppv. Now I am paying 60 bucks for the HD broadcast.
Hey, I agree this card was lame…. but I think it’s the fault of most of the fighters and not the matchmakers.
Like I said before… it was far from the best and far from the worst.
Are you being serious here? Your ignorance is astounding.
by Jonathan Snowden on Sep 26, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope you are doing this job for free....
Because I can’t really imagine that anyone is really paying you for it.
Hey… seriously, at least I know I can come to the BE for a good laugh.
Thanks for the entertainment!
Tell me more about the history of MMA. Your knowledge and experience are very valuable to the community.
by Jonathan Snowden on Sep 26, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
So would that make you the guy in the baseball cap or the guy with the spiky hair?
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 26, 2010 4:15 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
dunham vs. sherk was an amazing fight, that alone made the card worthwhile. I didn’t watch the show live, but watched the stream this morning (european time), so i was able to fast forward through the main event. i think that’s one reason i don’t feel so bad about this card.
but again terrible judging. dunham won that fight, i felt nog won too (he definitely won the 3rd round – idiot judges giving bader the round for some meaningless takedowns).
but even though bader won and dunham lost, i have incredibly high hopes for Dunham to go far, he’ll be a title thread in 2 years. I love that guy.
Bader, on the other hand, got kinda exposed. He’s good but I don’t think he will reach the top of the division anytime soon.
UFC 9? Mark Schultz’s transcendant wrestling performance? The great Frye-Bitteti beat down? I don’t think so.
by Jonathan Snowden on Sep 26, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I only managed to catch Serra-Lytle, Bader-Nog and the main event, but even those were bad enough to make me wish I’d stayed in bed (I got up at 6am to see those). Serra-Lytle reminded me of all those times I’ve heard people call some matches ‘ultimate kickboxing’ – this one was little more than a bad boxing match. Bader-Nog had the saving grace of actually including some MMA in it.
As for the main event… I felt genuinely sorry for Mirko. He seemed timid and scared to fight. Mir didn’t do much, either. The KO had all the excitement of a mercy killing that was way overdue. It wasn’t even exciting in the ‘wow, didn’t see that one coming’ sense, it felt like a complete accident. After this one, I really wish Mirko could call it a career and go fishing in Privlaka.
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by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Sep 26, 2010 5:11 AM EDT reply actions
I like how Snowden asks a quesion in the title but doesn’t answer it.
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by TitanFan2K on Sep 26, 2010 5:23 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I ain’t hatin, I’m just surprised no one’s mentioned how bad UFC 101 was. Anderson KO’d Forrest makes everyone forget apparently. I’d take tonight over that card any day.
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by Marvin Malehooves on Sep 26, 2010 6:30 AM EDT reply actions
I thought about going to the event.
Being in Indiana, I thought about making the trek down to Indy. If I had paid $500+ for a couple of tickets, plus hotel, drinks, dinner, and the 6-hour round trip to see this debacle, let’s just say I would be pretty pissed off right now.
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Looks like I picked a good UFC to skip
Went to dinner instead and read the play by play. It does sound about as dreadful as Snowden described.
Is it actually the absolute worst UFC event of all time? Well, as some of you who almost seem to be getting comped UFC tickets for defending this event are pointing out it may not technically be the absolute worst, but it seems pretty bad.
The difference is that with the UFC’s current deep rosters, deep pockets and shallow level of real competition it would seem that they shouldn’t have events like this. Of course a series of injuries, fouls or bad performances on fight night could cause a card that looked good on paper to go bad. But most people were predicting this card to be be tepid at best for weeks now, and they seem to have been right.
And no should be surprised at the apparent inverse ratio between Greg Jackson coaching and ability to put on entertaining fights. He actually scolded GSP for trying to pass fricking Dan Hardy’s guard.
119 is the poster child for a 6 week ppv schedule.
Root for the home team jack ass
by KING FEDOR on Sep 26, 2010 8:46 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
True. Fighters will always get injured in training, but this kind of PPV schedule will a) force fighters into tighter schedules (which won’t exactly help avoid injuries and b) severely limit Zuffa’s options into covering for those injuries. Having less events per year would help – then again, they probably won’t be willing to cut their own primary source of income…
On a tangent – given how lackluster this card turned out to be, imagine what would’ve happened if Mirko’s eye injury had prevented him from fighting? What would the main event have been? Seriously – from Mir-Nog II to Mir-Crocop to Mir-TBA? UFC 119: Bader vs Nogueira? The whole thing getting the Affliction Trilogy treatment? Saying that UFC caught a major break there would be an understatement.
Don't like wrestling in MMA? Go watch K-1.
Can't deal with the occasional boring fight? Let me introduce you to ROH.
Dear Mr. White - would it kill you to drop a few f-bombs less?
by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Sep 26, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Less can be more
I think moving to a six week schedule would possibly bring in the same revenue because you would have higher quality cards which in my opinion would increase the amount of folks that buy evert ppv. I buy less then half and catch the rest at a bar because not all my buddies want to see a card like last night. Cobine last nights card with the card before that and I think I’d have 10 guys over watching the fight.
Root for the home team jack ass
by KING FEDOR on Sep 26, 2010 9:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Good point, I didn’t think about that. Having three main events spread over two cards instead of three would give one card a very solid co-main… which would hardly be a bad thing. Putting UFC 118, 119 and 120 on two cards would mean one card with Mir-Crocop and Edgar-Penn 2 while the other would end up with Couture-Toney (a freakshow, but one with main event weight behind it) and Bisping-Akiyama.
Don't like wrestling in MMA? Go watch K-1.
Can't deal with the occasional boring fight? Let me introduce you to ROH.
Dear Mr. White - would it kill you to drop a few f-bombs less?
by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Sep 26, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
By far....
I thought UFC 33 is in a tie with UFC 78 as the worst UFC events ever held. That’s my opinion though.
I’m not saying last nights event was awesome, but ask yourself this… Was UFC 119 better than Strikeforce Nashville? Huh? Think about it.
’’Apparently the the only way to kill a lion is by rear naked choke…personally I'd just kick it in the head.’’ – Bas Rutten
The Strikeforce event had better, more competitive matchups on paper with a higher echelon of fighter. And it was free. If a fight card is gonna end up hovering between dull and terrible most of the night, I personally prefer having spent only money as my investment.
by VirtualBalboa on Sep 26, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t think those match-ups were “competitive” at all. Mousasi/Lawal was a one sided wrestling beatdown, Melendez stared at Aoki laying on his back, while Aoki waited for him to jump in his guard. Henderson/Shields was a great 1st round, but the rest of the fight again was very one-sided.
I for the most part enjoyed SF: Nashville, but I thought last nights event was much better. But opinion. I can’t argue with anyone with a different view, we all look at the fights differently.
’’Apparently the the only way to kill a lion is by rear naked choke…personally I'd just kick it in the head.’’ – Bas Rutten
You’re talking about fights in the postscript, as if betting lines and predictions were set up with full knowledge that Aoki was going to be controlled for 5 rounds or that Henderson would falter after a big first and be repeatedly taken down by the smaller man and less decorated wrestler. Lawal winning was an upset. If the standard is “fights no one knows who will win going in”, then Strikeforce delivered every bit as much as this show. Except with more highly ranked fighters. And for free.
Basically both of these cards were boring. One cost money and the other didn’t. People criticized both harshly. I’m not sure what point you can make about that other than that MMA fans don’t tolerate middling shows.
by VirtualBalboa on Sep 26, 2010 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Mousasi/Lawal was a one sided wrestling beatdown
I think I see why takedowns matter so much in American MMA. If you think taking someone down, laying in gaurd/half gaurd/side control and pitter pattering them with bullshit shots that have nothing behind them is a “beatdown” then what do you call what Bones or Lesnar do to people once the fight hits the ground?
When I'm on the mic it goes down, CINTRON
-Joell Ortiz
by The Lethal Haze on Sep 26, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I mean “wrestling beatdown” as in Lawal wrestled him to the mat and beat him up for 5 rounds. If those were bullshit shots why don’t you get your ass in the cage and show him how to hit? Oh wait, you’re a keyboard warrior who doesn’t have the balls to actually compete, but sure is great at putting down Mo Lawal’s skills. You wouldn’t last at my gym. The end.
’’Apparently the the only way to kill a lion is by rear naked choke…personally I'd just kick it in the head.’’ – Bas Rutten
Clearly, only people who have experience fighting can critique fights. Thanks for the valuable insight
When I'm on the mic it goes down, CINTRON
-Joell Ortiz
by The Lethal Haze on Sep 26, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
no one cares about your gym
everyone on here is a keyboard warrior , its an mma website this is the way this works
by jackmerridew on Sep 26, 2010 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Styles make fights
I still would like to see Crocop versus Randy.
by Bandaka on Sep 26, 2010 9:29 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I have no interest seeing Mirko. He had trouble pulling the trigger with Al Turk and Perosh. He basically absorbed punches and kicks from Overeem and JDS. And now this fight. He doesn’t even belong in the UFC.
by VirtualBalboa on Sep 26, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Styles do make fights
And I can hardly imagine the minutes upon minutes of stalling against the cage in that fight. Maybe Randy could eventually wear him down and get the takedown, but it would be brutal to watch. Remember the Vera-Couture fight?
by Anton Chigurh on Sep 26, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Hell yeah – with a qualifier.
If we could be sure that Mirko would be willing and able to pull the trigger and bring it, I’d love to see that. However, the Mirko who cowered for nearly 3 rounds vs Mir… I don’t want to see that man in the cage or ring ever again.
Don't like wrestling in MMA? Go watch K-1.
Can't deal with the occasional boring fight? Let me introduce you to ROH.
Dear Mr. White - would it kill you to drop a few f-bombs less?
by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Sep 26, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
And you think putting him against an even more dominant wrestler than Mir will make him “pull the trigger”?
Thankfully, they’re angling in for a Cotoure title-shot at 205, so we will not see this guaranteed borefest anytime soon.
To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.
So you're saying not buying this was a good call?
Sweet. I’m always worried when I sit one out that I’m going to miss something great.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
I used to be the smae way
But since I started picking and choosing the events I buy, I have found the only time I really feel regret is when I buy a horrible card by myself for $55. If you skipped it and it turned out good, you can watch MMA live for highlights and read PBPs.
by Anton Chigurh on Sep 26, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Lol
I stayed at home and watched this myself. It wasn’t as bad as everyones making it out to be I enjoyed all the fights but the main and co giving that’s supposed to be the pot sweetener and it wasn’t I can’t act spoiled and whine when one event isn’t perfect I refuse to be a spoiled whiney mma fan like the majority of people have become. Oh well it wasn’t that great let’s move on to the next one.
by Bloodsport on Sep 26, 2010 11:09 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And then Greg Jackson entered the building.
Funny. I had the same thought. Thing about Greg Jackson is that it seems like he tries to make sure that his fighters win with minimal effort. This wouldn’t be a big deal if so many of them talked crazy trash. For example: Rashad Evans and Rampage Jackson did a great job of selling UFC 114, and then when it comes time to fight, Rashad lays, prays, walls, and stalls.
However, one thing I noticed tonight is that the refs are becoming less tolerant of that.
Anyway, what I do find entertaining about Jackson’s fighters is though they will bore the piss out of you, it’s always hilarious to watch them get completely outclassed. It takes me back to Seanbaby’s Ragdoll Physics comedy article on Cracked where he pokes fun at Evans vs Machida. So, Melvin may no longer be entertaining, but wait until he runs into a fighter that’s so much better than him that it’s not even funny.
Rampage and his lazy overhooks
were more to blame for why that fight was boring than any strategy by Rashad. Rampage is the one who slowed that fight to a crawl.
"If you tell me a starting pitcher went 15-10, the only thing I can tell you is that he appeared in 25 games that year." - Keith Law
by duck on Sep 26, 2010 11:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Rashad lays, prays, walls, and stalls.
And what did Rampage do? He was in there with Rashad and it’s not like Quinton had kept his mouth shut leading up to the fight. If he’d brought it, he could have made a fight out of it – but he didn’t. Rashad might not have won in a flashy fashion, but he darn well won – and he’s the one with a title match coming up while Quinton is looking at a very, very difficult title eliminator.
Don't like wrestling in MMA? Go watch K-1.
Can't deal with the occasional boring fight? Let me introduce you to ROH.
Dear Mr. White - would it kill you to drop a few f-bombs less?
by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Sep 26, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
What made the night so bad...
The judging for last night was some of the worst i’ve ever seen. Whoever scored that fight 30-27 for Melvin should be fired. Melvin incorporated that famous Greg Jackson’s win but don’t fight technique, also known as the Frankie Edgar. Jump in throw punches that don’t land then jump back out, it sucks to watch. Dunham won, but it was close enough that i wasn’t overly pissed. I thought Lil Nog won, but i guess if you get a couple flash takedowns that wins you a fight now. As far as Frank and Mirko, i wanted Mirko to win real bad, being a older fan who actually went to 2 pride events in Japan i still miss those days of all out wars. Mir went with the old Push n Pray, or you could call it Wall and Stall technique. It’s horrible i think if your just going to push a guy up against the cage to avoid having to fight you should be docked a point. Last night sucked for sure, i thought the fights where ok but the judging was shit. PS TO MATT SERRA, YOUR A FUCKING JIU JITSU GUY, STOP TRYING TO BOX, WITH A BOXER FOR SURE.
My Favorite 13 of Fighters MMA
1. Nick Diaz
2. Fedor
3. Carlos Condit
4. Jake Shields
5. Shogun Rua
6. Gilbert Melendez
7. Gegard Mousasi
8. King Mo
9. Takanori Gomi
10. Nate Diaz
11. Melvin Manhoef
12. Josh Thomson
13. Wanderlei Silva
by MasterWhiteTiger on Sep 26, 2010 10:53 AM EDT reply actions
I also think
Mir should be suspended for that last shot he threw on Mirko, it was obvious Mirko was out, that was a cheap shot if there ever was one. I do realize Mir is the biggest douche in the world though, but that shouldn’t get him a pass.
My Favorite 13 of Fighters MMA
1. Nick Diaz
2. Fedor
3. Carlos Condit
4. Jake Shields
5. Shogun Rua
6. Gilbert Melendez
7. Gegard Mousasi
8. King Mo
9. Takanori Gomi
10. Nate Diaz
11. Melvin Manhoef
12. Josh Thomson
13. Wanderlei Silva
by MasterWhiteTiger on Sep 26, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Change your sig.
Twitter: @Mike_Fagan_13
by Mike Fagan on Sep 26, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nah
My Favorite 13 of Fighters MMA
1. Nick Diaz
2. Fedor
3. Carlos Condit
4. Jake Shields
5. Shogun Rua
6. Gilbert Melendez
7. Gegard Mousasi
8. King Mo
9. Takanori Gomi
10. Nate Diaz
11. Melvin Manhoef
12. Josh Thomson
13. Wanderlei Silva
by MasterWhiteTiger on Sep 26, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Uh, dude?
When a guy with his name on the staff directory says change your sig, you might want to do it. Aside from teh fact it’s annoying as hell.
"If you tell me a starting pitcher went 15-10, the only thing I can tell you is that he appeared in 25 games that year." - Keith Law
Did anyone else notice...
that Mir and Cro-cop were talking to each other in almost every clinch (and at times it seemed like very friendly banter)? For some reason I was very disturbed by it.
Yes. During the second they clinched and just stood there for a second holding each other and while making eye contact.
by VirtualBalboa on Sep 26, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
At one point during the fight, Herb Dean went to separate them and both kind of stalled for a second, in what appeared to be an effort to continue/finish their conversation.
Also, at one point while up against the cage, they get close to a camera and you can definitely pick-up that they are indeed talking to each other. During that particular incident the conversation seemed very friendly.
I hate to ask you to watch that "display" again,
but if you ever do, it is something very interesting to keep an eye out for. In fact, it was the only interesting thing about that fight.
That shit had me wondering as well.
When I'm on the mic it goes down, CINTRON
-Joell Ortiz
by The Lethal Haze on Sep 26, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
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by Cory Braiterman on Sep 26, 2010 12:14 PM EDT reply actions
and because I'm in a great mood because I had a lot of drinks last night
and I’m not hungover in the least, I’ll just help you all out with this thread:
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by Cory Braiterman on Sep 26, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Cory Braiterman on Sep 26, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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by Cory Braiterman on Sep 26, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
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When I'm on the mic it goes down, CINTRON
-Joell Ortiz
by The Lethal Haze on Sep 26, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
why, is that him?
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by Cory Braiterman on Sep 26, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
This is the most ridiculous headline
This is by far not the worst UFC show of all time. I really enjoyed the fights last night, I’ll admit it’s not the best fights I’ve seen, but it was more entertaining then the lame dream.16 fights.
I never put the blame on the fighters, I think the UFC is to blame for making poor match-ups. They knew going into this card they didn’t have that WOW factor. Frank Mir vs. Cro Cop was by the far the worst fight I’ve seen in the UFC for a while. Again, you expect a great fight by putting Cro Cop in the mix with an injured eye. You could tell he was very hesitant to engage…I’d say that has a lot to do with the pre-fight injury that had taken place.
What lacked the most during the whole event was the display of true Mixed Martial Arts.
This fight card could go either way for the fans, either you liked it, loved it, or hated it.
Wahhhhh
You sound like you are one step away from climbing into the bathtub and dropping a toaster in.
by ImmortalTechnique92 on Sep 26, 2010 12:48 PM EDT reply actions
UFC 33 and the debacle known as UFC 9 take that award.
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If this is the worst UFC event ever
Then the UFC is doing amazingly well.
The Guillard fight didn’t live up to expectations but those were some damn high expectations. It was still a good fight.
Serra-Lytle was unfortunately one-sided as time went on but that was still pretty exciting. We knew what this fight was and it delivered on that. I was entertained.
Dunham-Sherk was an amazing fight. Just awesome. At this point though the night of fights took an unfortunate turn.
Not even Bruce Buffer managed to sound excited as Bader took the nod over Nog and the Mir-Filipovic fight was just a debacle.
The card didn’t blow me away but to call it bad, let alone “worst of all time” is ridiculous and frankly just sounds like a troll job.
Thank You
Finally a voice of reason….
Watch it though… it you call Snowman a troll you will get banned from this informative website.
Worst Ever?
Was not great for sure but a bit of a stretch to say it was the worst ever. All the prelims they showed were entertaining.
Melvin vs Stephens wasn’t the barn burner we hoped but still fairly entertaining. Guillard had a good game plan to use his speed and quickness. he controlled most of the fight and I thought clearly won 29-28.
Dunham vs Sherk was great and Lytle vs Serra was also very exciting.
of the year yes
ever no
but ur getting closer with ur shock pieces snowden, im starting to agree more
We have a saying back home that if your coming on, COME ON!!!!
Keep it in context.
This event had the misfortune of following a great Summer of MMA. It’s not the worst ever but it was really bad.
Rec'd because I agree
You’re dead right with this one. It started out good with the prelims bringing action, especially Dolloway submission was very nice. Then Guillard – Stephens just begin the PPV with a total buzzkill, like everyone else I was expecting an entertaining war but it was just two guys fighting scared and conservative, way too respectful of eachothers power and just striking to score a few points here and there. Total bummer. Sherk – Dunham was a great fight, but was marred by the awful decision. Serra – Lytle looked the same the whole fight, Lytle getting the better of the uneventful boxing match with no surprises at all.
Bader once again failed to impress me in victory, I’ve said it before that he does not look like future champion material to me and I don’t understand the hype. The only good part was his flash of GnP in the first round, the rest was just bad. I really hope they do make that Jones – Bader match-up, because he’s going to get whipped!
And then we had the awful main event.. yeah, not even going to comment on that shit. Cro-cop should have retired after Barry fight (or a couple of years ago).
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