Judo Chop: Little Nog vs Brilz Round 3, the Crucifix
We've covered rounds one (Deep Half Guard Sweeps) and two (The Turkish Ride) of UFC 114's Antonio Rogerio "Lil Nog" Nogueira-Jason Brilz bout. It was a very under-appreciated fight, one with a great deal of entertainment value and much technique to study. Today we'll look at the third and final round.
This is the round where Antonio Rogerio "Little Nog" Nogueira made his strongest case for winning the fight. He utterly outstruck Brilz, stuffed five take down attempts, swept him twice and achieved one of the most dominant, and rarely seen positions in MMA: the back crucifix.
Here's Grapplearts' Matt Kirtley describing the move:
The traditional crucifix is a position where you are laying behind your opponent, trapping one of his arms between your legs and the other with your arm. In judo, the choke from this position is called jigoku jime, which means "hell strangle".
It is commonly gotten off a bad single leg (as we do here) and fireman's carry or as a counter to the turtle.
Gary Goodridge catch Paul Herrera in this in UFC 8. If you saw it, you've probably never forgotten just how devastating it was.
Note that this position shouldn't be confused with the crucifix neck crank (which we've Judo Chopped here and here) nor should it be confused with the top mounted crucifix or "Salaverry" which we've seen used to great effect by Roy Nelson, Matt Hughes and Chris Lytle -- as well as Jon Jones who got the Judo Chop treatment.
Let's look at the action in the full entry with special guest commentary from Cage Side Seats' K.J. Gould and BE member Dan Pedersen aka judonerd.
Gifs by Chris Nelson.
Here we go, take it away K.J. and Dan:
K.J. Gould: It's worth noting by round 3 fighters will have fatigued and can end up getting sloppy as their concentration begins to lapse because of tiredness, so allowances should be made when critiquing the later rounds.
Brilz tries to get some short shots on Nog with his shoulder, but again he's too parallel with Nog and his centre of gravity is high enough to allow Nog to sweep. Brilz is trying to keep his weight on Nog's head with his shoulder but it would have been better to get his weight via his chest on Nog's right shoulder. It may feel counter intuitive at first but putting your weight on the far shoulder when on top in half-guard and learning to ride is beneficial even for BJJ guys as it makes their legs ‘lighter' and easier to slip out and pass the guard. It also makes it significantly more difficult for the guy on bottom to turn into you.
Dan Pedersen: This a really simple but essential escape from side control. I don't know how common it is, or how traditional it is, but I've seen Demian Maia demonstrate this in his "Science of Jiujitsu" DVD series. The theory is that dominant side control comes from opening up and getting inside the bottom person's arms with your torso, then turning so that your body is at a 90º angle to his. Your weight is most effective once you get here because it's all on the chest and stomach.
What Nogueira does to prevent this form happening is two-fold. First, he keeps his left arm close to his side and posts his left hand on Brilz's hip to keep some distance. This partially prevents Brilz from really dropping his center of gravity onto Noguiera's torso.
The second part of the escape is where you really see Noguiera's beautiful sense of timing. Brilz continues trying to work from a weak spot--dropping shoulder butts to score some points. He only manages one, and as he rises up for the second, Nogueira explodes into the new open space. Nog uses his arm to shove Brilz's head off, and combined with the posted hand on the hip, he is able to turn Brilz parallel to him. There's a cliche in all the major grappling arts: "Where the head goes, the body follows." Nog even attacks the top part of the head, furthest out from the shoulders, where he gets maximum lever-arm efficiency (a beginner would typically shove the base of the neck and fail).
Brilz is forced into a weak spot and Nog scrambles to take advantage with GnP.
I included this next sequence because I saw something I wouldn't have been aware of if not for the catch wrestling science that K.J. has been scattering around lately. Brilz shoots, gets stuffed and leaves himself wide open for a neck crank, but Nog doesn't know to capitalize on it.
K.J. Gould: We see Brilz make the common mistake of going for the far single-leg when against the fence. This had neck-crank written all over it. Brilz drops for a low single, but again the fence is helping keep Nog up. Ideas for what Nog could have done in my Technical Wrestling#2 post.
Here'sK.J. from that post:
Sometimes in MMA a guy who isn't a wrestler may try to take you down against the cage, and he may make a mistake by transitioning from a Double-Leg to a Single-Leg on the wrong side. A wrestler worth his salt won't do this, but you might be surprised to see this mistake happen even in the UFC. If they do go for the wrong leg, you can make them pay with this Catch Wrestling style neck crank.
Up next is the moment with Little Nog had to bitterly regret his mistaken decision to go all-in for an out of position guillotine in round two. He burned out his arms and now doesn't have the strength to pull off this head and arm choke he sets up beautifully.
K.J. Gould: Nog looks to be going for a Brabo / D'Arce choke but doesn't get his top arm deep enough so his bottom arm can grip his bicep. It's also incredibly difficult to get the choke when an opponent is on all fours. Ideally Nog would want Brilz to turn into him and onto his side to deepen the choke, but with a strong base this isn't likely to happen. Instead Nog could have returned to North-South deepened the arm going under and spun to his back similar to an anaconda, and then rotated himself in to cinch in the choke.
Dan Pedersen: This is a D'arce choke, not an Anaconda (though I get them mixed up all the time). See here.
Brilz stops it by just staying wide and not allowing Nog to slip all the way into the armpit to lock up. Basic submission awareness, but it shows that Brilz knows how to keep from getting subbed by top BJJ players like Nog.
Now we come to the crucifix.
K.J. Gould: Nog wraps up a crucifix pretty well, and Brilz more then anything powers out of it. He bridges back, and is able to press and slide his left elbow enough to slip out of Nog's arm grip. It then ends up being a scramble for a takedown.
Dan Pedersen: A good crucifix, but the GIF on the right actually scares me quite a bit. Nog achieves the position and rolls Brilz, but the first thing he does is reach for a choke. A GI CHOKE. This is a very old move from the early days of Judo, but it's still used a lot in sport jiujitsu. In Judo we call it the Jigoku Jime, the "Hell Strangle." See it here.
Is Nog getting punchy in his later years? Did he forget where he was for a second? Is it a bad habit from training with a gi too much? Nog clearly reaches for something, realizes it isn't there, then he moves on to what he should have done in the first place: throw hammerstrikes.
Here's the final deep half guard sweep of the fight, after the back and forth wars from this position in the first and second rounds, it was pretty shocking to see Nog roll Brilz so easily. This is the move that IMO seals the victory for Nogueira. At the end of three rounds, he's on top.
K.J. Gould: Again, Brilz is becoming too parallel and his hips too high. The Turk Ride that was effective in the 2nd round hasn't been properly utilized in the 3rd. When you're in that position, and the guy on bottom is on his side rather than flat on his back your base is going to be compromised more often then not.
Dan Pedersen: By this point Brilz is getting sloppy because he knows he could win a decision. He opens up and gets swept by the most fundamental version of the deep half sweep. This is really unfortunate. If he had been careful and just worked the position, he might have gotten stood up or pissed off an arena full of fans, but he also might have won the round.
K.J. Gould: The 1st round was the closest, the 2nd round to Brilz and the 3rd to Nog just based on the grappling in these gifs. Some thought Brilz was robbed but in a lot of respects the fight was closer to a draw then decisive for either one.
Hope you enjoyed this epic Judo Chop and thanks to everyone who helped me get it done: Chris Nelson, Luke Thomas, K.J. Gould, Seph Smith, Patrick Tenney, and Dan Pedersen.
Here's Javi Vazquez explaining it weight distribution when on top in their half-guard:
Check out Maia explaining this side control escape around 4:00 in:
Here's Marcelo Garcia talking about the back crucifix from his new DVD series New Game Jiu Jitsu which has a whole disk devoted to the back crucifix.
The Jigoku Jime, the "Hell Strangle":
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Awesome Chop
I remember watching this fight and was really pulling for Nog to pull off that D’arce choke. Not being trained in BJJ at all, I had no idea why he gave up on it/wasn’t able to get it when he looked so damn close. The Chop series on this fight has been a great read for me. Great work Nate!
thanks so much for this
missed the fight when my tv crapped out. looks to me to not nearly have been the robbery some were saying it was.
classic case of what is worth more – takedown or a sweep? or are they the same?
anyway thanks a lot for the post, it really is the best part of the site – anyone can just give their two cents one whether a fighter is overrated or who should fight who, but this really adds a lot of value and helps my appreciation of the sport.
Question: Didn't someone JUST use a crucifix in a recent fight?
I could have sworn I was watching a fight recently where a crucifix was used on an opponent. Does anyone remember that?
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by ChicagoMarine on Sep 24, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Jose Aldo
Aldo also dropped it on Faber in the fourth round of their bout.
yeah it was Jon Jones
doing the salaverry, which is from the top rather than on the guy’s back as we see here. I linked to that post in this one.
Matt Hughes vs Carlos Newton and B.J. Penn and Roy Nelson vs Kimbo are other well known examples.
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other fights a good crucifix was used – Cain Velasquez vs Jake O’Brien, Aldo vs Faber, Jason Miller vs Katsuyori Shibata, etc
Roy Nelson also stopped James McSweeney very quickly using the top crucifix on TUF 10.
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Man these are incredibly detailed, very impressive. Here’s a request for you to do something this indepth but with focus on jiu jitsu (like the fight from UFN 22 that set the record for most submission attempts), that would be incredibly interesting. I’ve never practiced jiu jitsu myself, but I find aggressive submission guys (Cole Miller, Charles Oliveira, vintage Nate Diaz etc) the most entertaining to watch, so having it broken down further would be awesome…either way keep up the good work.
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that's a good suggestion
I’ll try and find that fight on video and see what we can do.
will be doing one soon on Nate Diaz vs Marcus Davis and Diaz’ unconventional approach to boxing in MMA.
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judonerd is Dan Pederson?
According to the UFC 121 commercial he just got destroyed by Jake Shields.
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by lowellthehammer on Sep 24, 2010 4:24 PM EDT reply actions
Dan Pederson: A good crucifix, but the GIF on the right actually scares me quite a bit. Nog achieves the position and rolls Brilz, but the first thing he does is reach for a choke. A GI CHOKE…Is Nog getting punchy in his later years? Did he forget where he was for a second? Is it a bad habit from training with a gi too much?
Seriously doubt this is evidence of Nog becoming punchy and more the latter. When you have that much experience rolling I would think moves like that become more second nature, like a wrestler that’s hurt that shoots for a takedown solely on instinct. Adrenaline rush and whatnot.
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by lowellthehammer on Sep 24, 2010 4:34 PM EDT reply actions
Muscle memory.
He’s probably drilled that position hundreds, if not thousands of times. “Secure the crucifix, reach for the gi choke” over and over and over until there’s no thinking involved and no hesitation, just instinct.
The downside is that it’s just instinct, with no thinking required.
by Verklemptomaniac on Sep 24, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly.
High level BJJ black belts like the Nogueiras train in the gi constantly. Not really shocking that some of their BJJ instinct is to latch on to the gi.
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by lowellthehammer on Sep 24, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
interesting to note
in his latest instructional video, big nog mentions that both he and his brother haven’t trained in a gi for years.
You can choke from that position without the gi. Watch the full Marcelo video that’s embedded… Marcelo also shows a one-armed version of it without the gi on his website. I’m sure the Rogerio knew what he was doing.
Also note that Marcelo closes the triangle over his partners arm the opposite way that Nog does. Nog has his bottom leg under his top leg, while Marcelo has his top leg under his bottom leg. Marcelo explains earlier in the DVD that closing it the way Nog does makes it much easier for the your oponent to escape.
by zorba on Sep 24, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Does anybody have that Gary Goodrigde crucifex gif
That thing was terrifying.
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Wait, can you still do that? Those aren’t 12-6 elbows. Why didn’t Nog do that? Apart from fear of getting charged for murder, obviously.
by CaptainArmbar on Sep 24, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
1) Nog isn’t as batshit crazy as Goodridge.
2) Going that crazy from crucifix is a good way to lose position. Unlike Goodridge, Nog probably wouldn’t be able to get a KO from there, thus giving Brilz a good opportunity to escape. (Not that he didn’t anyways but still)
Probably more the first than the second.
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by lowellthehammer on Sep 24, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
elbows to the cheek
still are legal, no?
seems more effective than hammerfist and he lost the position anyhow.
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Oh I’m sure it’s still legal, it probably just didn’t occur to Nog to do it. By the time he realized he didn’t have any subs to work on and started striking Brilz was already working his way out.
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Sakuraba: If he means it, he should demonstrate his respect. If he means it, he shouldn't punch me...If he does that during the fight, I'm gonna say "Hey, what you are doing right now is not even close to respecting me!" Then I'lI probably throw him on the judge's table.
by lowellthehammer on Sep 24, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought
the 12-6 refers to the viewpoint of the fighter throwing the elbows, so in this case they are 12-6 (straight up and down)…I could be wrong though.
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that's an interesting
and I think correct interpretation.
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by Nate Wilcox on Sep 24, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
12-6 or not
I’m 99% sure that striking with the point of the elbow is illegal.
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by exsanguinator on Sep 25, 2010 4:46 AM EDT up reply actions
That brutal debut pretty much made his entire career.
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by lowellthehammer on Sep 24, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
here you go

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by Nate Wilcox on Sep 24, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
gonna have to.....
….Sleep with the lights on after that gif….
Great Judo Chop series…..this is what keeps BE a cut above the rest…..extremely informative….
by BrothersGottaAndyHug on Sep 24, 2010 7:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
A good way of getting the Darce from the turtle position...
…can be seen here, from the always-awesome Aesopian.com:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/aesopian/418434485/sizes/z/
Two things I like about it are the initial grip, which is easier to get than the bicep one, and the idea of throwing knees to the ribs to try and help roll the guy.
This Chop has been great, by the way. I love all this stuff, and especially the wrestling/catch, which are probably the bits of MMA I least understand. My vote for the next one: the rock-solid guard passing of George Sotiropolous.
there have been a couple of Sotiropolous fights
that really blew me away. will try to work something up.
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I’ll try to write something up, if you want. His rubber guard and armbar finish were pretty sick, but his passing is really basic (in a good way) jiu-jitsu. That’s what I think is cool.
by CaptainArmbar on Sep 24, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
that would be awesome
particularly if you can identify the key times to make gifs to illustrate your points
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I can't compliment this series enough
Really some of the best stuff out there and a huge reason I keep coming to this site daily.
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by Cory Braiterman on Sep 24, 2010 6:26 PM EDT reply actions
lovely stuff
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by The Omaplatapus on Sep 24, 2010 6:49 PM EDT reply actions
Loved this series – a round by round breakdown on a great fight like this was good stuff. Would like to see it happen more often for great fights where there are lots of closely contested, high level techniques thrown around.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. - Theodore Roosevelt
thanks
it’s a ton of work but I’ll try to do it again. I’d love to do Karo Parisyan vs Diego Sanchez. that was a thing of beauty.
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love Fagan's analysis of Mir/Cro-Cop
I love hearing the contrary argument even if I’m picking Mir.
And BTW, I’m looking forward to this fight too. What it lacks in relevance it makes up for in stylistic fireworks.
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fantastic stuff!!!
these judo chops are amazing! the series as a whole is entertaining and educating. Nate, you should seriously think about packaging this/these to FSN or HDNET. Shit even Discovery. with the right voice (host) behind the series it would be great. getting the fighter to show up and talk us through the fight/moves could help also. in no way is what you are doing not satisfying, it’s just that i can see this being so much more bigger. either way Kid Nate, bravo!

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