Josh Barnett Expects to Fight Fedor Emelianenko
by Nate Wilcox on Sep 21, 2010 10:00 AM EDT
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"At some point me and Fedor, I said to him, I go, 'look, the only people that can beat you. I can beat you and you can beat me. If we actually have to lose, if there's any reason we have to lose to anyone,' and I preferred it be like that, but this is fighting and things happen. Fedor was careless with his offense and his movements and he got caught in a very bad spot by a guy who one of his specialties is the triangle off his back.
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"People lose, and it doesn't diminish anything in my eyes about Fedor or the importance of a fight between the two of us. I'm sure it will happen at some point, and it will be just as amazing, at least for me anyways, as it would have been."
Josh Barnett talking to MMA Weekly
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Wow:
“careless with his offense and his movements”
That’s my entry for the annual “John Madden Least Informative Sports Commentary” award, which began after Madden said, “The team that’s gonna win this one is the one that scores the most points.”
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Barnett's right.
Fedor’s loss didn’t diminish this fight at all. Barnett pissing hot, destroying Affliction and then fighting two no-names over in Japan to try and claw his way back to relevancy did.
by Josh Grant on Sep 21, 2010 10:12 AM EDT reply actions 6 recs
I rec’d, but to be fair, no-names are the only people he could fight. Nobody in the top 20 would fight him, nor would any of their promotions allow it.
Strikeforce is just praying that Barnett gets destroyed by Bigfoot, Overeem, or Fedor, so that their existing fighters get some more credibility.
Nobody in the top 20 would fight him because...
…he can’t get license in the US?
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“At some point me and Fedor, I said to him, I go, ’look, the only people that can beat you. I can beat you and you can beat me.
Those are magical words…not sure what they mean, but they are magical.
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by DamnSevern on Sep 21, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Never gets old
For some reason the moment when his eyes dart to his right strikes me as funny.
by BilboMcFonzie on Sep 21, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Hahahahaahahahaah...
Good one.
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Didn't M1 say they
wouldn’t fight Uber because of PEDs? But Barnett’s ok?
yes they did. They seem to have backtracked since then, but they said it. Josh gross and Golden Glory also claim that they asked for blood testing for an overeem fight.
Find me a quote where M-1 asked for Olympic drug testing for Reem. I’ll be waiting.
by memitim on Sep 21, 2010 11:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh, and also we are going to start believing Bas Boon now. The guy who accused M-1 of hiring hitmen to take out promoters. Don’t believe anything out of either of them.
by memitim on Sep 21, 2010 11:52 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don’t have a quote, we have what lots of people said.
I can find you a quote where Vadim said he didn’t say the steroid cattle comment, but that is on tape so while your correct in questioning Golden Glory’s motives, your blind devotion that m1 is constantly telling the truth is foolish.
Wrong. It’s blind following of blogs, media, and Boon that keep circulating this bullshit that M-1 and Fedor won’t fight Reem unless he submits to Olympic drug testing. You can’t find the quote because it doesn’t exist so you just buy whatever your told.
by memitim on Sep 21, 2010 12:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
doesn’t change the fact that they called Overeem steroid cattle and then attempted to negotiate a fight with Barnett in Japan.
First of all he called him a steroid bully a long time ago and apologized when he was caught on tape. Second, it has nothing to do with what we are talking about. We know nothing certain about M-1 requiring Olympic testing for Reem in order to fight him. We also don’t know what negotiations took place between M-1 and Barnett. That’s all conjecture as well. Maybe they used it to try to force SF hand, maybe they did it to get Fedor’s friend, Barnett, into Strikeforce. We don’t know but a lot people pretend like they do.
by memitim on Sep 21, 2010 12:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh, and if you noticed I said don’t believe either of them. We don’t know the truth. It’s all conjecture and rumor but so many take it as fact.
by memitim on Sep 21, 2010 12:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
An article about it.
http://www.headkicklegend.com/2010/8/25/1650824/alistair-overeem-participating-in
Josh Gross.
http://twitter.com/SI_JoshGross/status/22108632979
Yeah, all coming from Bas Boon whose credibility is at the level of M-1’s. Rumor, accusations, conjecture and bullshit. Nothing factual. At no time has M-1 come out and said they require Ubereem to submit to Olympic testing in order to fight him. Everything else is imaginary.
by memitim on Sep 21, 2010 1:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I know it’s all rumor when it comes to the recent negotiations about Fedor-Overeem in the last month, but what about all the talk around new years after Fedor beat Rogers? Was that all rumor too?
forget all that. What about when he was actually signed to fight him in Affliction. Was that one ok because he only failed 2 more steroid tests than Overeem? Is the 3rd one the one that made all talk of Fedor/Barnett bouts into the world of rumor and speculation?
You keep going back to the assumption that M-1 requires Reem to do Olympic testing in order to fight him. They don’t. They will accept a fight with Overeem with whatever conditions the State AC pits forth. They will also accept a fight with Barnett under the same conditions.
by memitim on Sep 21, 2010 2:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No i don’t. I go back to the fact that they said they wouldn’t fight him because he’s a steroid cattle, then denied it, then copped to it when the audio tape appeared.
That is a fact, and has nothing to do with the blood testing, even though M1 has made other statements about the reem and drug testing.
Ok, now you are taking the whole steroid bully thing way out of context. When I’m in front of my desktop I will give you the exact quote but basically when Vadim was asked about Overeem he basically said who is this guy but a steroid bully. That he hasn’t fought anyone, was barely ranked, that he needed to beat some real competition before facing Fedor. That’s what he said. It was much more that he wasn’t a worthy opponent than it was about roids.
by memitim on Sep 21, 2010 2:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That’s fine. That’s your interpretation, that involves exactly the quotes that make your point to be true, and everything else to be “a mistake” or a lie.
Reasonable people can put all the different smoke together to think that your simple answer of “no” to the statement about refusing to fight overeem but talking about fighting barnett is not a very accurate description of the situation.
by Phildo on Sep 21, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It’s a very accurate description of the situation. Fedor was willing to fight Overeem this fall. Overeem decided to fight in K-1. Back in March, before Overeem had fought here M-1 did not see him as a worth opponent, here is what Vadim said:
I personally think that Alistair Overeem did not reach the desired level to challenge Fedor. He beat a lot of no-name opponents in Mixed Martial Arts. Overeem defeated Paul Buentello and then disappeared from the United States for more than two years, which is simply ridiculous. He has nothing to offer for Fedor Emelianenko, except being a steroid bully. Also, pay attention that Werdum beat Overeem when they were fighting in Pride, four years ago.
That is the reality of the situation. Not that they want him tested, they wanted him to beat some of relevance before giving him a shot at Fedor.
by memitim on Sep 21, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No, that is not a fact
Here is the quote before it was retracted:
What’s so interesting about him? His physique? He’s a steroid bull. He doesn’t even have any achievements. He’s not worthy of Fedor, I believe.He doesn’t say he won’t agree to Fedor-Overeem because he’s on roids. He says that an impressive physique alone is not enough to earn a fight with Fedor, especially when you have almost no significant MMA wins.
Yeah, you can bring up Zulu and HMC to call him a hypocrite, but Fedor got no end of criticism for taking those fights.
by Mint on Sep 21, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What happened at that time was Appy was asked about Overeem and he said he thought Overeem should undergo testing when he comes to the US. Vadim soon after corrected that and said that it wasn’t M-1’s responsibility, it was that of whatever State AC and they would accept whatever that was. That’s all that has ever been said. Appy made a dumb comment and it was quickly corrected. Everything else has been Bas Boon nonsense.
by memitim on Sep 21, 2010 1:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Do this in Alabama
But id rather this bout of Fedor – Big Foot.
Big Foot can fight Sergei or Valentijn.
Food goes in here
i’m just holding out some hope that he’s changed his ways and will provide an exciting fight, whether against Fedor or someone else (Arlovski?).
Change his ways? He has never even admitted to any wrong doing.
The US promotions should have been begging him to fight while he was suspended.
My guess is........
Josh fails another drug test and kills another promtion, much like he did with Affliction.
It was nice knowing you Strikeforce!
They are not going to put him in a big time main event on a PPV like Affliction. He will headline a SHO event. If he pisses hot for that kind of show it’s not going to kill the promotion.
by memitim on Sep 21, 2010 10:39 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
wow, Barnett thinks pretty highly of himself. Him and Fedor on just on a different level from anyone else in MMA apparently.
Werdum clearly went to Wallid’s Boolshit Detector Academy.
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by a tommy point on Sep 21, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
As much as barnett annoys the hell out of me sometimes...
this is still a fight I’m interested in seeing.
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by Tonley on Sep 21, 2010 11:05 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
This fight will never happen Josh because he can’t pass a drug test and Fedor only wants what he can’t have Werdum and Overeem.
by skyhawkmd on Sep 21, 2010 11:45 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
and the fighter bashing begins.
Of course I’m gonna get heat for defending him, as usual, but I don’t care. Barnett IS a top 5 hvw and that’s a fact. Everyone likes to hate on him cuz of the roid fiasco, and blame him for affliction. Who cares about affliction? They damned themselves by paying arlovski too much money and cow toeing to fedor and m1s every demand.
I’m happy to see Barnett in strikeforce, he’s probably the top fighter on there roster now. He’s not getting tapped out to werdum, his catch wrestling will nullify that (IMO). And he’s not getting ko’d anytime soon either. He would prob take a tko on bigfoot and I’ve said it for years, he has all the tools to beat Fedor.
Call me a nut hugger or whatever you want, Barnett is a great fighter, and he took roids like most other fighters. And yes, he is a dumb ass for getting caught 3 times (and for using in the 1st place) but he always puts on a show.
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by Submit24 on Sep 21, 2010 12:12 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Forget roids
Barnett still isn’t a top 5, or even a top 10 HW.
His last win of any importance was in 2006 against Big Nog, a loss that Nog would later avenge.
Barnett’s record DOES NOT back up any kind of notion that he is a top HW in 2010.
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by Worldisart on Sep 21, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Agreed
I’m all for defending much-hated fighters, but Barnett is lucky to be in the top 15 given his activity in the past few years. Who is he bumping out of the current top 5? Fedor? The guy who beat Fedor? The UFC HW Champ? The unbeaten #1 contender?
It’s fine to be a fan of the guy, but let’s not overstate his importance.
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by Dave Strummer on Sep 21, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
barnetts record is
A hell of a lot better than carwins. The ONLY win on relevance carwin has is Frank mir. Yet he’s a top 5 guy? JDS? Cro cop. Ya, that’s a good win (he owns 3 on Josh) ill give you that one. And I guess he beat werdum too. But other than that, I think fedor, Cain (only relevant win is big nog) Brock (only 6 fights???) and overeem are up there. I’ll have to refresh my memory, but I’m pretty sure Barnett and reem fought in pride (if that’s wrong, forgive me, I’m @ work and don’t have time to wikipedia, just to be on here)
Aside from cro cop, Josh has avenged every loss on his record. And Brock only has 1 fight this year, so would that make all his other fights irrelevant because they were a few years ago? Or how about carwin. He sat over a year between fights, yet climbed the rankings? Since mma rankings are all unofficial and hold NO relevance, I guess my opinion that Barnett is a top 5 guy holds just as much water as everyone elses opinion.
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by Submit24 on Sep 21, 2010 12:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
It’s really a matter of Barnett facing top 10 competition to get back to relevance. He has the ability, or at least had, to be a top 5 guy. He just has to show it today against the current group of top guys.
by memitim on Sep 21, 2010 12:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not really
All of Barnett’s big wins Have come over for years ago, obviously his biggest win is over Big Nog.
Who else has he fought in the past four years?
Yoshida, Yvel, Monson, Rizzo “Mighty Mo”, and Dos Santos…. seriously.
Oh, he’s never avenged the three losses to Cro Cop.
If records of year’s ago still count toward modern relevance then Sakuraba is unbeatable today.
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All those fighters you mentioned
Have fought and beat relevant fighters in the past four years.
Barnett beat Nog in 2006.
Let that sink in.
In 2006, Josh Barnett was definitely a top 5 HW, but a lot has changed since then and beating the likes of Geronimo Dos Santos and Might Mo don’t affirm your status as a top fighter. It simply boils down to the fact that Barnett doesn’t have single win of any importance in the last 4 and a half years.
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Gonzaga was a top 10 guy when Carwin fought him.
The way Carwin dismantled Mir and dominated Brock in the first round like nobody ever has counts for a lot. Barnett has never dominated a top 3 fighter like that.
Hell, right now I wouldn’t be surprised if Barnett lost to Shane Del Rosario. In fact, I’d love to see that match, and it makes a lot more sense than Fedor-Barnett at this point in time.
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 21, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
There are some very interesting fights for Barnett at Strikeforce. Barnett vs Overeem, Werdum, Fedor, Antonio SIlva, Arlovski, Cormier, or Del Rosario would all be good fights. Also, I find a bout between Barnett and Bobby Lashley to be very interesting as well probably because both have professional wrestling backgrounds.
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I agree that the fights you listed are interesting.
I don’t think Barnett deserves another chance to break our hearts. You must be a glutton for punishment. Barnett, more likely than not, still possesses top10 skills. I just don’t believe he should be rewarded with a significant fight or pay day. Josh made his bed, it’s time to sleep in it. IMHO, Barnett should be tested over and above what other fighters are required. This will at least show the signs of integrity, something Strikeforce threw out the window by signing him in the first place. Next, Josh doesn’t deserve a big payday. He has to be held accountable some other way. Think of the precedent he would be setting! I understand that, Josh will make what he is able to bargain. But, MMA as a whole should make an example out of him. I dont think Josh is done with his punishment. MMA needs to make other fighters think twice about this. I also think that any athletic commission that sanctions any bout with Josh, should be ashamed of themselves. I say all this as a former fan of the Baby faced assassin. So, before I am flamed. Remember, I wanted to see Josh vs Fedor. But, how many chances does 1 guy deserve? Josh is the Pete Rose and Art Howe of MMA wrapped into 1.
If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?
I agree with a lot of what you have to say. However, in a business sense, I feel that it is in Strikeforce’s best interest to give Barnett strong competition IF Barnett does not fail his next drug test. Pretty much, now that Strikeforce does have him, they might as well use him to their fullest.
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In a strictly business sense you are right.
Josh has mad a habit out of failing drug tests. So, the business side is a double edged sword. He can help you, but, the chance of having your company hurt by him is greater then the upside of any matchups he can compete in. I look at this as a desperate move by Strikeforce. The problem is, Josh is not the same fighter he was 3-4 years ago. Plus, who wants to waste a training camp on him? If I were a fighter, I would not want to fight Josh. The win or loss has nothing too do with it, it’s the fact that I would potentially waste a full 2-3 months of training camp on someone that I wouldnt even fight.
If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?
Never saw that picture before
hilarious a bit
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by Marvin Malehooves on Sep 21, 2010 3:00 PM EDT reply actions
this just in:
Vitor belfort injured again! That means he is automatically the #1 contender. Lol. The man has had one relevant fight in 4 years, yet he’s ranked #2? (and Franklin fight was @ a catch weight) .
Tell me guys, you don’t want Josh ranked in the top 15 because he hasn’t had a relevant fight in 4 years, yet vitor is injuring his way to the top? Sounds like a double standard to me. Good thing these ranking systems are 100% accurate, at least in 12 year old minds.
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