Why B.J. Penn Is Fighting Matt Hughes at UFC 123

I've been meaning to write about this match up since it was announced. Initially I took it as a clear indicator that the UFC was giving up on B.J. as a factor in the light weight division and consigning him to the "senior circuit". But this MMA Junkie interview with Penn shows it wasn't quite that simple:
"I talked to Dana, and they tried to put me in the ring with Florian, (and) Dana said Florian was hurt," said Penn, who submitted Florian in 2009 to defend the belt. "[Dana] said, 'What do you think about Hughes?' I said, 'Matt Hughes?' I got chicken skin all over my body. I said, 'Tell him I'm coming. Tell him, let's go.'"
After suffering back-to-back defeats, Penn said he had more sense than to request a fight with a UFC Hall of Famer who fights at a heavier weight class - especially one who's climbed back into title contention with a string of wins over Matt Serra, Renzo Gracie and Ricardo Almeida. But with the opportunity to fight again quickly, and with Hughes on board, he simply couldn't pass it up.
"I'm more respectful than that to lose two fights in a row and say, 'OK, give me Matt Hughes,'" Penn said. "They offered me that fight. Matt was really excited about the fight. Dana called me and said, 'We offered Matt the fight. He's going to put everything on hold to take the fight if you want it.' And I said, 'I've got nothing else better to do. Let's do this.'
Hughes vs Penn is a great way to keep both fighters busy, entertain the fans, and make money for the UFC while the lightweight picture clarifies. If Frankie Edgar beats Gray Maynard and appears to be starting a long-term title reign than B.J. will be in the dreaded Rich Franklin zone.
After Franklin lost twice to MW champ Anderson Silva, the UFC pushed him up to the 205lb division, although they also gave him a string of fights with more relevance to the MW division than the LHW: Dan Henderson, Wanderlei Silva, Vitor Belfort. So even though they said they wanted to keep Rich Franklin from being a MW gatekeeper and moved him up to 205lbs, they used him that way anyway.
Unlike company man Franklin, the mercurial Penn is not someone to be relied on to toe the company line. The independently wealthy Penn is only going to take fights that appeal to his interests.
If Gray Maynard beats Edgar, then regardless of the outcome of his welterweight fight with Matt Hughes, they can set up a rematch between Kenny Florian and B.J. to see which fighter will re-emerge as an immediate factor in the LW division.
In the meantime, they've beefed up UFC 123 with a very strong co-headliner that should also be a great fight.
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I’m surprised they’d even consider BJ/Kenny 2. It’s been just over a year and BJ wiped the floor with him. There’s no need to do it again, # 1 contender or not.
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i was thinking they'd do bj vs gomi 2
but this makes just as much sense to me, the lightweight division needs to clear itself out a little and bj was something of the odd man out since hes a few wins away from a title shot after his last performances
We have a saying back home that if your coming on, COME ON!!!!
Maybe after Gomi gets a couple more fights.
The casual fans don’t really know who or how awesome Gomi is yet, if he wins a couple more fights then the rematch would make sense.
Penn will beat Hughes and then have a rematch with Machida.
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by Polyhedron on Sep 20, 2010 1:22 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Oooo can’t wait to see Stay Puft Penn again.
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by DayGeaux on Sep 20, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
1-1
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by ChicagoMarine on Sep 20, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm pumped
I didn’t expect your article to come out this way Nate. I know a lot of people who don’t like this fight.
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Sometimes
it’s okay to just have a fight for fun. This is one of those times.
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Why would anyone not like this fight?
We have precedent for just how good this fight is going to be. I know people hate Matt Hughes, but Matt Hughes vs. BJ Penn is giong to be epic.
It's gonna be epic I agree but, I still don't really have a need to see this one I'd rather BJ stay at light weight and work on his game.
And Matt is only 1 or 2 quality wins away from a Title shot so how does beating a LW help him?
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by doonerthesooner on Sep 20, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess losing twice
to the champion, one in controversial fashion, means he’s not a quality win anymore. Sigh. MMA fans are so short sighted.
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by Geno Mrosko on Sep 20, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
It's not a quality win in his division. I'm not saying BJ is done or anything I actually think BJ wins this fight I don't see how this is a good idea for Hughes except as a payday.
A loss/win to a ex LW champ coming off two loses controversial or not doesn’t help him if he wanted to make a run for the title.( I’m starting to think he doesn’t want to) So please don’t patronize, it’s gonna be a very entertaining fight I just wanted more.
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by doonerthesooner on Sep 20, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
You know who else got chicken skin when this fight was announced?
This kid right here.
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That sounds really gross for the both of you. You really should see a doctor about that cause IDK what the hell that is.
You never heard of chicken skin!!!
Philistine!
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by Chris Barton on Sep 20, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
How is it possible you don’t know what getting chicken skin is? It’s just another way of saying you got goosebumps (because when that happens your skin resembles chicken skin). What other common things don’t you know about?
I’ve always heard of “goosebumps.” Just what I’m used to. Chicken skin sounds like Chicken Pox to me. Something I hope to never get again ever since I was 4. It’s just new to me
You ever see that episode of South Park
where Cartman eats all the chicken skin from a bucket of KFC, and everyone else pretends he doesn’t exist so he thinks he’s dead? What BJ meant was, “I get to eat a shitload of chicken skin and come in looking like that fat kid Hughes used to pick on in fourth grade.”
"You hear people say, 'You're the greatest,' and all this stuff. It's BS. It's fake, it's all fake. You've just got to keep training as hard as you can. The only thing real is the fight, everything else is fake." - BJ Penn
I don’t think BJ would go into the Rich Franklin zone if Edgar beats Maynard because BJ is a top draw and they don’t have a lot of people at LW right now who can get them PPV buys. I think it would just take BJ longer to get a title shot.
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by Barack Lesnar on Sep 20, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Probably the same people that wanna see GSP / Penn 3
…oddly enough these people do exist though many of them are heavily medicated or at least should be.
Hey
don’t go giving the heavily medicated a bad name my stomach contents probably looks like Rush Limbaugh’s briefcase; some opiates and a splash of bacon.
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by Barack Lesnar on Sep 20, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
some opiates and a splash of bacon
The Ozzie omlet.
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Sacrilege
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by Barack Lesnar on Sep 20, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I watched It Might Get Loud how long has Jack White been a bonafide BA?
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by Barack Lesnar on Sep 20, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I watched it and hit Amazon up right away.
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by Barack Lesnar on Sep 20, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I wanna see it
I love their fights, I don’t care who wins or loses.
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by Chris Barton on Sep 20, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
who wouldn't want to see Silva vs Franklin 3
It’d be a guaranteed brutal KO. Which also happens to be why BJ would not go into the Franklin zone. Franklin got brutally KO’d twice. BJ lost a controversial decision, and then non-controversial decision. If BJ racked up 2 more wins and decided to start doing cardio with Marv Marinovich again, I’d be pumped to see him get another crack at Edgar. He just looked so unmotivated compared to some of his other fights. Hence the constant intrigue with BJ Penn, when he loses, I usually come out of it thinking that BJ didn’t try hard enough, not that the other guy was better. Only time I didn’t feel that way was the second GSP fight, he was motivated, he just got whooped.
by IWillPartyHard on Sep 20, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Nobody besides Penn.
Frankie’s already edged him out twice consecutively. Short of there being no more contenders for Frankie if he should run roughshod over the LW division, I can’t see the UFC matchmakers thinking of Penn/Edgar 3 as any kind of preferable or marketable title fight. Should Frankie edge out Gray, Penn’s not on the short list of contenders for the LW belt anymore. Likewise with Penn in the WW division. If he makes it past Hughes, I see GSP/Penn 3 in the same light as Edgar/Penn. As far as title aspirations, BJ’s currently in no man’s land.
Hughes vs Penn is a great way to keep both fighters busy, entertain the fans, and make money for the UFC while the lightweight picture clarifies. If Frankie Edgar beats Gray Maynard and appears to be starting a long-term title reign than B.J. will be in the dreaded Rich Franklin zone.
Wouldn’t a loss all but kill Penn. What value will he have coming off back to back to back losses? A loss will really hurt Hughes too. I see this as a really bad fight for whoever loses.
I agree I'd rather see Penn vs Gomi and Hughes vs whoever opens up like maybe the Hardy/Condit winner
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by doonerthesooner on Sep 20, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I like both of those fights better. Put them in fights that matter.
This fight is irrelevant to the title picture of both divisions and the winner gains nothing more than a win.
It should be a fun fight
But like Machida-Rampage, it leaves the loser in a really bad position, regardless of the perceived “quality of opponent”
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by BigDNotDallas on Sep 20, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Racking up a win over the other is still a step in the right direction though...
And I just don’t see either on the short list of contenders regardless of who they fight. I just don’t think there’s a demand for Hughes/GSP IV or BJ/GSP III and BJ/Frankie III.
Really? A loss at 170 really doesn’t hurt Penn that bad, especially against Hughes. As for Hughes, the loss would probably hurt more but it still wouldn’t be that bad. It’s clear they’re not setting him up for a run at the title or anything, so it shouldn’t make a huge difference.
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I guess that's the difference I want another run at the title for Hughes
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by doonerthesooner on Sep 20, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Me too
I think he could still give GSP a good fight, win or lose.
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by menckenstein on Sep 20, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
If Penn loses to what many consider a washed up Hughes, I think it hurts his stock.
If Hughes loses he has to remain on the fringe and can’t really be used to put on future talent.
I’d rather see Penn / Gomi or even Penn vs a relative up and comer. Make a win matter.
Same for Hughes. I agree, he probably isn’t going to get another title shot, but if you set him up in a match with someone like the Hardy / Condit winner, Fitch, Hathaway or even the Sanchez / Thiago winner, you potentially set up another fighter for title contention.
Hughes has turned down fights against contenders. He won’t fight AKA guys, for instance. For better or worse, these are the kinds of fights we’re probably going to see Matt in for the rest of his career.
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Really?
Almeida wasn’t a contender?
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 20, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, he sure wasn’t part of a retirement tour. I was shocked when Matt took that fight after beating Renzo. It impressed me.
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 20, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I was surprised too actually, but it’s not like Hughes is fighting top 10 guys in the division, despite a number of them calling him out by name.
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Can’t say I was all that surprised. I had gotten the feeling he was still in a BJJ crushing mode after his fight with Renzo. But he’s not fighting top 10 guys, and doesn’t really want to, at least that’s the impression I get from his turning down the AKA guys.
I don’t think he’s against fighting any and all younger contenders. I just think he doesn’t like the AKA guys and didn’t want to possibly put them over
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by eastcoastatlas on Sep 20, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Certainly a possibility.
Though comments like this make me think its more than just a general dislike for the AKA boys -
“These last couple fights, I’ve really, really had a good time. The walk-out, in the locker-room. It’s all just been extremely fun. I think I’ve found a way, and I can’t explain it, where I’m just having a good time out there. I’m just having fun with it…. I don’t know who would be in front of me [in regard to a future title shot]. I don’t know who would be behind me as far as on the ladder for the title shot. I’m still fighting because I still enjoy getting in there.”
http://www.mmamania.com/2010/9/19/1698893/matt-hughes-just-wants-to-keep
I think Almeida was in contender territory
but it was kind of irrelevant because he was unwilling to fight GSP.
As for Penn/Gomi, I’d wait on that. Let’s see if Gomi can truly sink or swim in the division before he’s granted that fight. He KO’d Griffin and it was awesome, but that’s one fight. As much of a Gomi fan as I am, I still don’t think he deserves a fight with BJ yet.
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BJ is still the # 3 LW in the UFC, at worst. Losing at WW does little to change that.
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So, losing to what you considered a washed up Hughes won't hurt him?
Especially when a prime Penn was able to pull off the win. It shouldn’t do much to his ranking, but it will public perception is very important and Penn would take a big hit here.
The winner of this fight gains very little the loser is confirmed as damaged goods.
I’ve never said Hughes is washed up, II just said he’s done as a title contender. Those are very different situations. As for public perception…that’s not what dictates who will fight Penn, so it’s really not that important. Obviously a lot would depend on HOW he loses, but it won’t affect his spot that much at LW if he loses. He’ll come back down and get a top guy to fight (if he doesn’t retire).
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I just can’t wrap my mind around being disappointed about this booking. Gross wanted Hughes/Hallman III instead, and I maintain that you don’t do a trilogy when one guy is 0-2 to start. At least Matt and BJ are 1-1.
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 20, 2010 1:55 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
It’s different when the 2-0 guy has diminished so rapidly.
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by menckenstein on Sep 20, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
You're not sad that fight happened?
I sure am.
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by Chris Barton on Sep 20, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I almost blue myself
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by Barack Lesnar on Sep 20, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve contemplated every possible meaning of this and none of them don’t make me laugh.
"You hear people say, 'You're the greatest,' and all this stuff. It's BS. It's fake, it's all fake. You've just got to keep training as hard as you can. The only thing real is the fight, everything else is fake." - BJ Penn
I literally choked on a scream
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by menckenstein on Sep 20, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
That wasn't so bad for me
it was the uncontrollable stuttering I started doing when Page just kept pounding on his unconscious face.
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by Chris Barton on Sep 20, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not sad at all. I love Wandy, but that was a great buildup to a great KO. A fights a fight. My point was that the “can’t do a trilogy when one guy is 0-2” is pointless. It varies by situation.
Other than that, I agree with Subo’s point. BJ/Hughes 3 > Hughes/Hallman 3.
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by Chris Barton on Sep 20, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Besides, it was the catalyst to finally send Wandy on his way down to middleweight where he belongs. It’s a good thing.
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Yeah, he was tiny at 205.
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 20, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn't like that fight
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 20, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
Hughes/Hallman III is terrible. If Matt wins it doesn’t prove much, so what he can beat a guy now that used to own him. Beating Hallman means nothing in the grand scheme, it just strokes Hughes ego.
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by Chris Barton on Sep 20, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Being a class act kind of guy
I’m sure Hughes wouldn’t mind mauling Hallman into retirement
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by menckenstein on Sep 20, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
am i the only one that thinks
that this could be a retirment match? loser retires? i just don’t see either of these guys motivated enough to make another title run and a loss to either’s ego would be a tough pill to swallow, especially BJ who’s coming off two losses
at least we know Hughes is cool just being a coach and running his gym. I wonder what retired-BJ will be like. well, mainly i just wonder how hilariously fat he would get
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by eastcoastatlas on Sep 20, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
i think this fight makes a tons of sense
hughes doesnt want a title shot at ww , he just wants big draw fightswith other veterans
and if you give penn anyone on the title track and penn beats them , it just knocks off a contender for frankie to face , kinda how fitch does at ww
so give them a big draw fight that only really effects their personal pride
by Richard Doughty on Sep 20, 2010 4:28 PM EDT reply actions
can someone PLEASE
find a .gif animation of the crucifix / beatdown Hughes gave Penn? i’ll dance at your wedding if you do. if you’re married, i’ll dance at your kid’s birthday party.
The rest... is virtually identical

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