Chael Sonnen Tests Positive for a "Natural Steroid"
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 20, 2010 8:51 AM EDT
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More details emerge on the Chael Sonnen drug saga as George Dodd, the CSAC official that first alerted the media on the failed drug test, talked to Lance Pugmire of the LA Times, and said that Chael tested positive for a "natural steroid", and it happened on his pre-fight drug test:
Chael Sonnen tested positive for a steroid before his Oakland loss to Anderson Silva, CSAC exec. George Dodd tells me... Said a "natural steroid."
He talked about it in detail, and says that the fighter is also looking at a 1-year suspension and a $2500 fine:
Chael Sonnen, the brash Ultimate Fighting Championship middleweight contender who nearly defeated champion Anderson Silva in August, tested positive for a steroid before the fight in Oakland and faces a year-long suspension, California State Athletic Commission Executive Officer George Dodd said Sunday.
Sonnen will have 30 days to appeal his suspension and $2,500 fine, said Dodd, clouding UFC plans for a Sonnen-Silva rematch early next year in Nevada... Dodd said Sonnen’s positive test emerged from a urine sample he gave before the fight that was processed through the UCLA Olympic drug-testing lab.
Sean Sherk also faced the same fine and suspension when he tested positive on his victory over Hermes Franca back in 2007, but he appealed this, and got it reduced to 6 months. Sonnen has remained silent since the news first broke out, but he still has around a month to appeal this suspension. We will keep you updated as more details become available.
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It was a tainted supplement
Will be the reasoning from Sonnen and everyone will buy it.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 20, 2010 2:12 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
God...
I’m starting to wonder if you get 2 hours of sleep a night and 22 hours of sitting on websites waiting to comment on posts about Chael
by Paul Stan on Sep 20, 2010 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions 17 recs
OH it is not limited to Chael Sonnen, friend.
I could be sitting here with just pee stains on my rug.
by Earl Montclair on Sep 20, 2010 2:30 AM EDT up reply actions 12 recs
*shrugs*
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 20, 2010 3:17 AM EDT up reply actions
There will be plenty of time to sleep in the grave my friend...
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." -Arthur Schopenhauer
As for being well rounded... "The fox devises many strategies, the hedgehog only one, but he uses it very effectively." -Archilochus
by BigDNotDallas on Sep 20, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I never sleep cause sleep is the cousin of death
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 20, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Wombats are terrible people.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 20, 2010 3:37 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sleep is highly over-rated
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." -Arthur Schopenhauer
As for being well rounded... "The fox devises many strategies, the hedgehog only one, but he uses it very effectively." -Archilochus
by BigDNotDallas on Sep 20, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Socrates said that sleep is just a bad habit.
If I didn’t have to work I’d experiment with some polyphasic sleep schedules to maximize my wake time. Just think about all those things you could do in a 22 hour day…
"...I don't want to save the World, I don't even want to save me. We're so boring that we don't event want to save ourselves...There's nothing left to say, we're so fucking boring. Let it die I say. Let there be a new beginning...It's awful. Goodnight"
by dancingChicken on Sep 20, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
I tend to work well with 4.5 – 5 on average, year after year. Every once in a while I’ll sleep 8-10 or so and wake up slugish – I guess my body just isn’t used to it any more. I know of people who say they sleep 2-4 hours per night, but I can’t. After a couple of nights of anything much less than 4 affects me a considerable amount.
That 22 hour day would be wonderful though…
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." -Arthur Schopenhauer
As for being well rounded... "The fox devises many strategies, the hedgehog only one, but he uses it very effectively." -Archilochus
by BigDNotDallas on Sep 20, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
YES, when I sleep more than 7 hours, I feel like CRAP
I know a guy in college who would take 30 min naps every few hours. Ridiculous. But he had tons of energy.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 20, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I get a bout 5 hours on average
Primarily due to having a main job and a few supplementals. I like money.
Thanks for asking.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 20, 2010 3:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe it's just the Chael-talk,
…but I read that as “a few supplements,” and I was like, “Did he just tell us he was roiding? Or maybe he doesn’t sleep from the cocaine? Ummm.”
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by jemaleddin on Sep 20, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
It has to be the cocaine…it explains much…
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." -Arthur Schopenhauer
As for being well rounded... "The fox devises many strategies, the hedgehog only one, but he uses it very effectively." -Archilochus
by BigDNotDallas on Sep 20, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
jeez, lay off a bit will ya?
You’re approaching Sonnen-levels of obnoxiousness yourself.
By the way, heh, sorry for being drunk/a dick in your comment section on WKR the other night.
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by Goonisis on Sep 20, 2010 3:00 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
it being a tainted supplement is only logical
and him not knowing about it being in the supplement is also logical
you may not like chael but it’s hard to deny that he is an intelligent fellow. i’m sure if he’s going to cheat he’d be smart enough to walk down his cycles. a natural steroid is one of many that are found in otc supplements. and i know that you’re going to say he needs to know what he’s putting in his body but it’s not always that simple with supplements because the fda has little to no control over supplements it’s almost impossible to know what’s in this stuff. ANY supplement you take could contain this stuff and you could never know about it until you fail a piss test.
on someone’s first offence
for something that he’s not shooting in his ass
i think he deserves the benefit of the doubt
but that’s just me
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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 20, 2010 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Nice to see you market-testing his excuse before he gives it
None of us know what he took to test positive. Maybe he took a tainted supplement (in which case a “smart” guy like him should have known better) and maybe he injected horse steroids into his ass five times a day leading up to the fight. For someone as sanctimonious as he is about other fighters’ behavior, he should be prepared to get slammed for cheating.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Sep 20, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
For someone as sanctimonious as he is about other fighters’ behavior, he should be prepared to get slammed for cheating.
Nuff Said, enough said.
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by VeeisAnimated on Sep 20, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
him being a smart guy won’t qualify him to know what’s in the supplements
the government doesn’t even know what’s in the shit because it’s not regulated and they got a team of “smart guys” at the fda.
we do know it wasn’t horse steroids because natural steroids are the name given to naturally occuring shit that acts like steroids but has not been chemically altered. natural steroids are sold over the counter in supplements. and it’s almost impossible to know what’s in the supplements.
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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 20, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
BTW, killer avatar and yeah, I’m a Belcher fan also.
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by VeeisAnimated on Sep 20, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
the avatar is an alex ross painting
if you haven’t seen much of alex ross’s stuff you must check it out
he paints amazing renditions of various comic book characters and gives them a very very human feel
alan and i both grew up around jonesboro arkansas and he started his training here with another hometown hero max bishop who is good friends with royce and renzo. both of which have been here several times doin seminars for max’s schools
my point is
hell yeah belchers the man
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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 20, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I like Ross’ work but I wouldn’t say he gives the characters a human feel, he basically uses a lot of photo reference work. Don’t get me wrong, its cool but I just think there are a number of comic book illustrators and artist that can achieve a natural humanistic feel without the being confined to relying on photo reference. I say all that, but will quickly let you know I am a fan. He recently release a new book, Rough Justice: The DC Comics Sketches of Alex Ross. Stylistically Ross is different from Adam Hughes but the the feel is more or less the same.
Ok enoughy art-critic babble for now.
I’m still waiting for Belcher versus Silva in either weight class 185 or 205 like he said. I just hope and pray that his eye is fine and more importantly, his overall health.
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by VeeisAnimated on Sep 20, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
i’m with ya man
i hope he gets better and can fight again
if not it truly would be a shame such a promising career cut short.
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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 20, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
what’s with large portions of conversation being erased?
i’ve heard someone mention it happening before but never paid much attention to it
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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 20, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
when the first comment in a comment bracket gets erased (usually by breaking the rules of the site), the reply comments to the original that was erased along with it, unfortunately. And my reply to one of yours got erased as well, so I’ll put it here :p
They have the responsibility of not taking anything that would show up during testing. If what you say is true, I’d imagine there are a couple of ways to get around any misfortunes. Since he didn’t get tested positive prior to his fight with Silva, he should not start taking any ‘new’ supplements to face Silva, this is the most important fight of his career, and since you can’t trust the supplements 100% as being free of any illegal substances, than he should not start using a new supplement prior to a title shot. If he does choose to use a new supplement, it’s still his responsibility to make sure there are no illegal substances within that supplement. He can have someone who’s not a fighter take them and get tested to see if it comes back positive, if it doesn’t, the supplement is good to use, if it does, than he shouldn’t use it.
The old “I didn’t know” statement should never be bought IMO, fighters have the responsibility to fight clean and should go the extra mile to make sure that happens even if the government doesn’t help them in that end. Being naïve is never a good defense IMO.
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
i see thanks for the info
i guess it makes sense that some of my posts would be deleted. i can be a lil brash at times but i always mean it in good fun.
now on to the subject at hand
i understand where you’re coming from with your argument. and it’s a valid one. i’m not saying he shouldn’t pay for his incompetence and he will pay for it and he will pay ALOT
but alot of people like s.c. are very eager to start calling him a cheater and are openly campaigning for him to be banned from the ufc. when it’s completely acceptable that it could have been a case of incompetence and not a case of cheating.
does it make it better if he didn’t know he was taking steroids?
i think it does, it doesn’t change the fact that he failed the test and it doesn’t change the punishment.
it should however shut up people like s.c. who are chomping at the bit to burn him at the stake!
the man has been taking drug screeenings his whole life for competition
he’s probably taken well over a hundred in his lifetime and he fails one and he fails it for something that supplement companies can put in their supplements that he would have no knowledge of.
incompetence…………yep definetely
cheating………i dunno but i’m leaning towards no and giving him the benefit of the doubt THIS TIME
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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 20, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
well, the argument of “not knowing something was spiked” I don’t buy, but at the end of the day he was caught using something illegal and the term for that is definitely cheating.
We should also acknowledge that he hasn’t responded to the matter, so we don’t know what his defense will be. If he defends himself by saying he took supplements not knowing they had illegal substances, than we can each believe his claim or disbelieve them, I personally would be shifting to the latter, and my personal bias would/should not play into my decision making (I don’t like Sonnen very much, but that’s not the reason I wouldn’t buy that defense). For example, I like Big Foot a lot, when he got caught for using PEDs, I didn’t really buy his defense either (that he couldn’t have taken PEDs because he could kill himself doing so due to his medical status, because to me, even if you are running a low risk of dying doesn’t mean you wouldn’t do something).
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
your stance on the issue at hand is a completely rational one
unlike others i’ve not heard you calling for him to be cut by the ufc and given a lifetime ban. (though you might have)
whether personal bias should or shouldn’t play a role in how we feel about these things it almost always will
i am a chael fan and perhaps my bias does play a role in how i feel about the situation.
the market for supplements is a dirty one filled with people skirting the law by labeling their shit as a supplement. trying to get a head up on competition by being less than honest about what is or isn’t in their products. and that’s why i believe it’s completely possible he didn’t know he was taking something that contained a banned substance once again personal bias may play a role because i dislike and distrust big businesses and the supplement business is one i truly don’t trust.
but you’re right we don’t know what his defense will be and this is all speculation……….but it makes for good conversation and that’s why i come to bloody elbow.
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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 20, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
fair enough
I do have bias in a lot of stuff I talk about (specially when it comes to Brazilian fighters, I can’t lie hehe), but when it comes to steroid talks, I do try my best leave my bias asside.
unlike others i’ve not heard you calling for him to be cut by the ufc and given a lifetime ban
are you talking about this fanpost? because if so, that was a sarcastic response to this one
but just to clear things up, I don’t want Chael to be cut from the UFC, I was actually looking forward to the rematch, hell, I still am even with all these steroid talks :p
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
naw i was making reference to some of the posts s.c. michaelson posted yesterday while he was campaigning to burn chael at the stake talking about how chael should be banned.
i also am hoping that we get to see a rematch at some point tho the chances of it happening anytime soon seem slim.
i think chael should be punished just the same as anyone else who has failed one drug test ever in their lives. it just seems a lil early to label him as a cheat and call the villagers to come out with their torches and pitchforks.
his incompetence is blatant
the cheating not so much
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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 20, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I can’t keep up with all the stuff S.C. writes, I gave up a while ago because he seems to generalize too much and makes too many assumptions without evidence to back things up. I can see where you’re coming from, it can really be a pain in the ass to debate him.
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
i avoid discussing much with him because it always turns from a discussion to a debate.
not that i don’t appreciate his point of view because i do
i just don’t care much for the way he conveys those points of view.
but that’s an issue for another time and another place
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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 20, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I never said he should be "burned at the stake". Please quote me saying that or anything of that magnitude
I said he’ll get his year. I also said that if the UFC was TRULY sincere in stopping dopers they’d cut him and make him work his way back.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 20, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
correct.
it wasn’t really a big deal in terms of breaking the rules yet, but I had to hide it cause of the Clinton comments.
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 20, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
My bad . . . I should read the rules about posting comments.
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by VeeisAnimated on Sep 20, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
i think it had more to do with what i said than what you said
i can be a lil brash
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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 20, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
sorry anton
i knew that’s what did it
my bad man
if i step over the line jus lemme know and i’ll straighten up
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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 20, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
It's fine.
I personally am not bothered with the stuff you said, but I just had to hide it cause some people might. You guys weren’t stepping out of line yet really, but as a general rule, just please try to avoid engaging too much about politics, or religion. :)
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 20, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
i always try to avoid engaging in too much discussion of politics or religion
that’s how wars get started
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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 20, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
religion eh...
just kidding, I’m not gonna say a word :p
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
I figured the general rules are don’t be a dick, no fighter bashing, stop posting FIRST, etc.
Btw, where are the rules and guidelines?
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by VeeisAnimated on Sep 20, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
i think you pretty much summed em up
also try to avoid in off subject banter especially concerning such hotplate topics as religion and politics
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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 20, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
1) No name calling, no ethic or sexual slurs, or fighter bashing
2) no threats, or personal attacks
3) no discussing of politics, religion
4) Don’t piss off the staff.
but yes, your summary is pretty accurate. basically just don’t be a dick, don’t bash fighters, and don’t talk about religion or politics.
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 20, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
That's why there's an approved list of OTC supplements, yes?
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FDA doesn't regulate what goes in them well enough
There could literally be anything in any amount in those pills.
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by menckenstein on Sep 20, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah that’s what i thought
i dunno how supplements could be known to contain “natural steroids” unless someone has taken them then subsequently failed a piss test.
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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 20, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
i dunno if there is or isn’t
lol
you may be correct in which case my argument will be made null and void
i do know tho that the companies have no responsibilities to report what is or isn’t in their product.
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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 20, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't know about whether the UFC has a list
But they have a list of approved supplements in the nfl
The NFL has an approved listed
MMA fighters would do well to stick to those.
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As for being well rounded... "The fox devises many strategies, the hedgehog only one, but he uses it very effectively." -Archilochus
by BigDNotDallas on Sep 20, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the Olympics have one as well, and there's an unofficial list that NCAA athletes go by.
My actual point was that the UFC doesn’t have one. But that they should.
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If you like it, you should put a rec on it.
Not sure
what all the lashing out towards you is all about, but unfortunately, you are probably correct.
It is almost always a supplement or cold medicine that is blamed. For me that is no excuse. These guys are responsible for anything they put in their bodies. And yes, people will buy it. Best example to me, is Andy Petitte. Oh, I just tried it once and didn’t like it. I’m amazed that anyone bought that crap.
1 year sounds about right. They will reduce it to 6 months and Sonnen will fight in 6 months and one day.
if it was a suppliment and he can give them a sample for testing that shows that is where this came from then he may be able to clear his name publically. Still I don’t see CSAC dropping it even if he has “proof” of where it came from; it was still in his system during a fight and it being in your system is the violation not that he knowingly took something. I’m sure he will get it dropped to 6 months, about all you have to do to get a suspension cut in half is appeal it with a half assed excuse.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 20, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
What is a ‘natural’ steroid?
by Mr Pulla on Sep 20, 2010 2:14 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
That’s what I was about to ask myself.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. - Theodore Roosevelt
me too
Is it something that is naturally produced in the human body? Something that is not man made? Something that comes from the earth. I consulted WIkipedia and it gave me a bunch of big word technical jibbereejoo.
I could be sitting here with just pee stains on my rug.
by Earl Montclair on Sep 20, 2010 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I think they mean a naturally occuring anabolic, like Testosterone.
So it could be jizz, straight out the monkey’s balls. The old school way. Or pure bull semen. That’s potent stuff. Gypsy piss is another good one.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 20, 2010 2:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think Chael is pulling in Bull Semen bucks
That is the most expensive liquid on earth per ounce.
I could be sitting here with just pee stains on my rug.
by Earl Montclair on Sep 20, 2010 2:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Damn.
I’ve been giving it away. :(
I’ve got some phone calls to make.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 20, 2010 3:00 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
this is the kind of shit i'm reading first thing in the morning...
lmfao
Next victim: Cain Velasquez
by HitokiriX on Sep 20, 2010 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe thats why Dos Santos is so damn good, he’s been taking advice from Machida.
by av1o3 on Sep 20, 2010 2:57 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
It seems so obvious now.
“I drink the urine for the strength.”- Junior Dos Santos
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 20, 2010 3:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Steriods are naturally occuring compounds in the body
I know we use them as signaling molecules, they might have some other uses. The one that Royce got busted for, nandrolone, is naturally occuring, I think. It wasn’t that it was present in his body that was the problem, it was that the concentration was higher than could normally be achieved.
I think.
I’m very tired.
And slightly drunk.
…I’ll go now.
yes, I think this is what they mean,
It wasn’t that it was present in his body that was the problem, it was that the concentration was higher than could normally be achieved.
not some over the counter thing.
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 20, 2010 3:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
its kinda how they work, bro :P
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 20, 2010 3:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Basically steroids that haven't been changed by chemistry and can be sold in stores
Unlike your normal steroids which have been changed by chemicals
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 20, 2010 3:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think the CSAC is using a GNC term.
‘Natural steroid’ in the scientific sense has nothing to do with herbal extracts.
It makes absolutely no sense. The best hormones are the real deal, straight out of an animal or person. That shit is illegal.
It makes no sense that Chael would take a crappy OTC supplement that he would have known was illegal.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 20, 2010 3:37 AM EDT up reply actions
You're correct, but it could be a newer designer that showed up as something "OTC"
Who knows until tomorrrow
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 20, 2010 3:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I still think its jizz
fresh out the monkey’s balls.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 20, 2010 3:40 AM EDT up reply actions
you have to be dedicated to make it to the top
and that’s how you get the freshest supply
Oh I forgot haha @ the caption. Anderson brought out the big guns there.
by Mr Pulla on Sep 20, 2010 2:18 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
#boxing
Really?
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What does #boxing mean in twittwerese?
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by The Lethal Haze on Sep 20, 2010 1:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
From Mayoclinic.com
So-called “natural” steroids, which are sold as over-the-counter supplements at many health food stores, aren’t safe. Because natural steroids contain “natural” substances that aren’t chemically altered, they can be marketed as dietary supplements — which are subject to limited regulation by the Food and Drug Administration. Still, they can have the same harmful effects as synthetic steroids.
Although prescription steroids have legitimate medical uses, it’s important to remember that steroids of any type have significant risks. When used inappropriately, steroids can cause various long-lasting or irreversible health problems, including:
Mood swings, aggression and violent behavior
Acne
Baldness
Sexual dysfunction or infertility
Increased low-density lipoprotein (LDL), or “bad,” cholesterol
Decreased high-density lipoprotein (HDL), or “good,” cholesterol
High blood pressure
Liver damage
If you’re hoping to increase strength and build muscle, don’t count on “natural” steroids or other medications. Eat a healthy diet and include regular strength training in your workout routine.
by Paul Stan on Sep 20, 2010 2:23 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Nope
OTC prohormones are basically one or two molecules away from the real hormone. In Chael’s case, he may have a designer anabolic that just seems similar to a so-called natural anabolic.
In all likelihood, Chael would not risk taking a ‘natural’ OTC compound that doesn’t work to raise hormone levels. There are plenty of OTC ‘prohormones’ that are totally ineffective, but if you know what to look for, there a plenty of highly effective ones. New compounds are designed everyday that are essentially anabolic steroid yet completely legal. Steroids themselves didn’t become illegal until 1990, chemists will always be ahead of law enforcement.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 20, 2010 3:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks!
I could be sitting here with just pee stains on my rug.
by Earl Montclair on Sep 20, 2010 2:30 AM EDT up reply actions
chael sadden
"How do you shoot the devil in the back? What if you miss?"
by DamnSevern on Sep 20, 2010 2:28 AM EDT reply actions 7 recs
Cue the Chael cheat names
Cheat Sonnen
Chael Stonin’
Cheap Sonnen
Chael Smokin’
Chael Snowden
oh wait…
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by Rod Mapada on Sep 20, 2010 2:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
Fail Chonnen
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
by Orcus on Sep 20, 2010 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Cue the Chael cheat names
Cheat Sonnen
Chael Stonin’
Cheap Sonnen
Chael Smokin’
Chael Snowden
oh wait…
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by Rod Mapada on Sep 20, 2010 2:52 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
still not funny
I could be sitting here with just pee stains on my rug.
by Earl Montclair on Sep 20, 2010 2:57 AM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
and
"How do you shoot the devil in the back? What if you miss?"
by DamnSevern on Sep 20, 2010 2:33 AM EDT reply actions 12 recs
WELL SAID CHAEL
When you screw up, you have to own it. That stuff really gets under my skin.
HeI cheated,heI did drugs, andhegave himself cancerI GAVE MYSELF STEROIDS
‘Look, here’s what I did, I screwed myself up, and I hope people learn from my mistakes.’ You just watch these guys and can’t help but think, God, what a fraud.
Bet Chael didn't expect Olympic drug testing.
Sucks to be him
Dodd said Sonnen’s positive test emerged from a urine sample he gave before the fight that was processed through the UCLA Olympic drug-testing lab.
They test blood AND urine in the olympics. I meant that his urine went through olympic style testing.
That's where it was processed
There was no blood taken
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 20, 2010 3:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I was just stating that they test blood and urine in Olympic style drug testing.
Never said they used Chael’s blood, just that his urine was put through different tests that they would normally.
I'm pretty sure it was the same "rigorous" testing just that the name of the center has "Olympic" in it
In regards to a pee test only
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 20, 2010 3:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe
but I don’t see why the CSAC would even bother sending it to that lab if there wasn’t anything different. Might also explain why it took so long for them to release the results.
Because the CSAC's previous administration was ASS
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 20, 2010 3:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Ok so i’ll aks again in this thread because i’m a bit confused, how can Chael test positive before the fight and still be allowed to compete at UFC 117?.
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cause what's your Rampage to Rashad Evans/"
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Because its not CSI
It takes a while for the lab results to come back.
by sam98597 on Sep 20, 2010 3:17 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
There is obviously some sort of miscommunication here, guys are tested after the fight we know that it takes weeks for those test to come out fine. But how can you take a test before the fight and have results come in a month after the fight that makes no sense. Either the reporter is confused or hell maybe he just didn’t explain it right but I hope someone can actually give me a real answer here.
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cause what's your Rampage to Rashad Evans/"
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by Nightwhistler on Sep 20, 2010 5:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I think the pre-fight test is literally a day or two prior...
and in the case of a positive test I believe the then test the B sample to ensure an accurate result.
I’m sure this, when done right, can take a while. Additionally, I’m willing to bet a quality state licensed lab like the one at UCLA is probably pretty busy, especially with the start to the NFL season going on.
I like Fedor, it’s just his fans that are intolerable...and his management.
Wasn't this actually first reported a week or so ago?
Also, don’t assume that they go to the public with it as soon as the results are in, I’d like to think they run the assays again before they make a statement like this.
drug test results are not instantaneous
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by Well Read Idiot on Sep 20, 2010 3:18 AM EDT up reply actions
that wasn't the pre-fight drug test (immediately before the event)
That was a several days before the weigh-in if I remember correctly
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 20, 2010 4:17 AM EDT up reply actions
That was in order to get his license in CA...
not specifically fight related. Technically different situation…which is also why Barnett was never suspended due to his positive test, you can’t suspend someone not actually licensed in your state.
I like Fedor, it’s just his fans that are intolerable...and his management.
Stratch that suspension part...
now that I think about it (I’ve been up all night), he was given some sort of 1 year ban or something, so same effect.
I like Fedor, it’s just his fans that are intolerable...and his management.
I think you are thinking about the fact he couldn’t re-apply for his license for a year.
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by BigDNotDallas on Sep 20, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh Chael...
This is probably something super stupid on his part rather than intentional cheating, if ‘natural’ steroid means OTC supplement.
I would think that the decision to cheat would be made using something stronger than a natural steroid.
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by Well Read Idiot on Sep 20, 2010 3:20 AM EDT reply actions
just to add
either way, he took something illegal and I support the fine and suspension.
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by Well Read Idiot on Sep 20, 2010 3:21 AM EDT up reply actions
sorry but each case is different.
i wouldn’t be surprised if there are some health nut cereals that would cause you to fail a test lol.
I understand that, but as a former olympic alternate athlete and no professional fighter, it is his responsibility to ensure that what he puts in his body will not cause him to fail a drug test, no matter how innocent the substance may be.
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by Well Read Idiot on Sep 20, 2010 3:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Also you would figure after years of doing this the “I didn’t mean to” excuse carries a lot less weight, given that Chael hardly seems like the kind of guy who would change up something that is working for him, i.e supplements.
However the deviant in me knows that if Chael intended to cheat on purpose, he would more than likely not get caught. It is quite the conundrum.
that
is fine and dandy but what about products that don’t list all said ingredients on package? isnt that a standard by the FDA?
Not under FDA
Supplements don’t fall under the same purview of the FDA as do food and drugs. It’s hands are tied when it comes to most “natural” products, and is limited to proving that a supplement is harmful, or contains a classified drug or one that is regulated.
It looks like Thiago knows, too.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 20, 2010 3:42 AM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
Well, Thiago has always looked like he knows a bit about these things!
To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.
by KGNLuc on Sep 20, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
The fact that it was a “natural steroid” should make it easier for the UFC PR team to do some damage control and keep Chael relevant for when his suspension is over though.
by seanerk88 on Sep 20, 2010 3:47 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
is it really that bad?
Guys like leben who come out and admit it or barnett who has been busted several times are a different story. Todays age of cycling and what not these guys that do it do it well and will never get caught. They know how to get it out of their system in time cough nate diaz cough. I believe and I may be naïve that some of these are accidental. I can go out and buy stuff and fail a ped drug test from over the counter. Is it an athletes responsibility to know what goes into their body? Absolutely. Should they be punished? Absolutely. But do I damn chael sonnen like I do leben and barnett? Not yet. If he repeats yes. But chael is not a cheater in my book yet. He still has a career. Look how well leben has bounced back.
by ronrod on Sep 20, 2010 5:13 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I don’t understand what the CSAC is doing in this situation. With Barnett, they announced the result with a press release that listed the exact reason for the failed drug test. This time they are talking to reporters in the middle of the night on the weekend.
Stop doing that, tell us what the fuck happened.
Agreed
The way this is being reported is just weird. I’m half expecting this to be some new level of super complex trash talking on Sonnen’s part. Like tomorrow, we’ll find out Dodd is Chael’s 2nd cousin, and he’ll hold a press conference informing us that "Sadly, Chael tested positive for supernatural levels of “badasserone,” and if his body keeps producing.it like this, he may kill Anderson Silva."
by Axl_Pabst on Sep 20, 2010 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Rec'd for "badasserone"
marvelous!
To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.
The only thing Chael Sonnen could possibly test positive for is American Pride god damnit!
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by Patrick Tenney on Sep 20, 2010 9:03 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Have to be careful in California.
They don’t like men with too much testosterone here.
by tharv3 on Sep 20, 2010 9:07 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
"here"?
I guess you must fit in nicely. :-)
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…and natural ped’s.
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that is actually
true of some bodybuilders, even some pros.
but they do it just for the $10,000/month ’roid bill
I prefer being a 90 lb. weakling and spending $10,000 a month on hookers
they need to talk to Shane Carwin’s former supplier. he was picking up well, enough to turn himself in SHANECARWIN for like 600$ a month
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by eastcoastatlas on Sep 20, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
wait, so i can get roids at GNC now?
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by eastcoastatlas on Sep 20, 2010 10:03 AM EDT reply actions
yep
alot of the supplements you can contain natural steroids though you’ll never really know which do or don’t because the companies aren’t required to make known what exactly is in the shit they’re selling us.
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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 20, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
fail typing>me
*alot of supplements you can buy contain natural steroids
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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 20, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
First week of the month you can get 20% off as well
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by II SMASH II on Sep 20, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
haha rec
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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 20, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
This thread really is full of performance enhancing recs.
Mo Johnston finally fired. Let the house cleaning and road to success begin.
Give me the name and concentration of that steroid and not some fucking teasing twitter shit. We have an information era, I want some fucking information, you hear me Pugmire!?
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by dancingChicken on Sep 20, 2010 11:11 AM EDT reply actions
It's dodd you should be screaming at.
leaking to 2 separate sites, without really sharing much details.
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 20, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
From the Article:
Sonnen has remained silent
Never thought i would read that line.
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by ReAnimator on Sep 20, 2010 11:51 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
I wonder if it was a Ben Johnson thing
He wanted so badly to beat AS that he just didn’t care.
Did anyone else see...
…the live stream from UFC 115 (I think) with Chael, Fitch and Hardy backstage at the weigh-ins? A fan asked them if they’d ever used PEDs and they all, of course, said they hadn’t. Chael went into detail about how nearly everything was banned, even painkillers except for one of the OTCs (maybe Naproxen). He seemed pretty well-educated about it all, and willing to discuss. But, he also definitely said, “Steroids, no” about his own usage.
My heart is broken over this story :(
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