UFC referee Yves Lavigne says Koscheck will be eaten alive by GSP, also "scared" to strike with Daley
UPDATE: Yves Lavigne is denying that he gave the interview in question and it has been pulled from the canoe.com web site. See more here.
UFC referee, and French-Canadian, Yves Lavigne recently had some choice words for Josh Koscheck, the next opponent for Montreal's own Georges St. Pierre.
À son dernier combat, au Centre Bell justement, il a eu peur de se faire frapper et s’est contenté de tenir son adversaire (le Britannique Paul Daley) au sol, a expliqué l’officiel québécois. Les partisans l’avaient hué et Daley, frustré de son attitude dans le combat, l’avait même frappé après le duel!
Translated, that states that in Josh's last fight at the Bell Center, Josh was afraid to strike and was happy to hold Daley on the ground. The crowd booed and Daley, upset at the strategy, punched him after the bell. Now, there are some fans that have that same attitude. They are idiots. However, they aren't refs. This guy is. It's almost certain that he will be reffing on this card and there's a big chance he will be reffing this main. Oops, not anymore.
Thoughts: What do you think of "objective" refs making comments like these? Personally, I know refs think these things as they are human, but to hear them vocalized in public? Not cool. If you read the rest, he goes on to make some other stupid comments. Care? Don't care?
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1 I’ve heard Big John say similar things, granted it was after a fight and not before, but it still puts them in a tighter spot ethically. IMO. Nothing came of it.
2 Everything he said is true.
So, in all likelihood, nothing will come of it. Viable point though.
Actually no
What he said wasn’t accurate. Josh wasn’t “scared”, he was “smart”. Was Randy “scared” to not stand with Toney? That isn’t the only opinion he gave. He basically said that GSP would mop the floor with the rest of the division.
The commission, if they are anything like the NFL, should come down upon him.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 2, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What he said wasn’t accurate. Josh wasn’t "scared", he was "smart"
To be fair, you don’t know that. I don’t know that. Yves (likely) doesn’t know it either.
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Uh, I do know it was smart because he won
You can’t say someone is “scared to stand”, this isn’t fucking kickboxing. MMA. Plus GSP stands waaaay less than Josh. C’mon son.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 2, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I am so tired of the bad wrap that Kos gets. I would put the development in his game up against any other fighter in the game. When GSP out wrestles an opponent its a “brillant strategy” when Kos does it he is scared.
Look back at each of their last 5 fights. If you want to talk about highlight reel, standup exictement… not even close… Kos all day.
Uh, no. Not all day at all.
When GSP is controlling someone on the ground, he’s working towards submissions, pushing ground and pound. Koscheck has had one submission win since ’06. He just lays on guys and talks shit in their ear.
And his stand-up is ass. He’s had three KO/TKO wins since 2005, and one of those was against Trigg, so it’s really 0.3 of a KO.
Koscheck eats it.
So what if he does just lay there and talk shit??
It’s Daley’s responsibility to get Koscheck off of him and hit him DURING the fight, not afterwards. Seems pretty obvious to me that Yves is a big fan of his fellow French Canadian and should never ref one of his fights.
Of course he's a fan of him.
I dare say every ref is a fan of him. And?
Some refs like the NY Giants? I guarantee they occasionally work those games. Some umps like the Boston Red Sox, but they still work the games now and then.
Refs are people. They have favourites. They also tend to be harder on those favourites so nobody can claim favouritism.
As for ‘so what if Kos lays and prays’, I’m not arguing that. Neither is Lavigne. He’s just explaining why the fans hate Koscheck in Montreal.
Ad he’s not wrong.
Koscheck eats it.
How many sub wins does GSP have since then?
How many TKO/KO?
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 3, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
That's not why Kos gets a bad rap
I’m pretty sure most people hate Kos for his ego and his faking of the knee and eye poke (even though I don’t think he faked, many others do).
He also trash talked all of Montreal when said the Penguins would kick the Habs’ ass. Amusingly, the Penguins lost the series, and now that he’s going up against GSP in Montreal, he’s going to get an earful from the crowd. He’s the perfect heel for the fight.
People hated him because he was the foil to Chris Leben
And Leben was the “awesome” guy from TUF 1
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 3, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Speak for yourself
I don’t hate almost anybody – but I dislike Kos. I couldn’t care less about TUF – I dislike his comments in interviews, I dislike his hair, I dislike his fighting style, and I dislike the fact that whenever I see him out on Santana Row, he and his buddies look like an Affliction Ad come to life.
I ESPECIALLY dislike the fact that the one time I interacted with him (indirectly) – he was super nice to everyone.
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He faked. I have been kneed in the hair and the air near my face. It doesn’t hurt at all.
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by Earl Montclair on Sep 3, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
AJ poked him in the eye
Joe Rogan is an idiot
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 3, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
He was scared mate
He said he was going to KO Daley leading up to the fight. Daley said, I hope he does stand with me BUT I know he wont cos he’s scared to.
Kos took Daley down at the earliest opportunity (doing the opposite of what he said) and did it all fight.
Now, we ALL know Kos wouldn’t stand with Daley cos we all know he’d have got KO’d. Hell, even Kos knew that. Whether he was smart or scared one thing that is certain, he wanted no part of the standup with Daley.
I wouldn’t say he was being smart by saying he did before the fight either. Just made him look like the dick he really is.
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by Shoguns Hairy Forearms. on Sep 4, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
The NFL is an interesting comparison… if an NFL ref said the Saints were scared to blitz against the Colts in the superbowl because Peyton Manning would have burned them deep… I don’t think anyone in the NFL offices would object.
Getting bent out of shape over a fight promoter lying is like getting upset that a hooker won't kiss you. It betrays a deep lack of understanding of the nature of the profession.
The NFL is an interesting comparison… if an NFL ref said the Saints were scared to blitz against the Colts in the superbowl because Peyton Manning would have burned them deep… I don’t think anyone in the NFL offices would object.
I’m sorry but thats the stupidest thing Ive ever heard. A ref stating something like that BEFORE a game?!?!? He would get burned alive by not only the NFL offices but the sports media world as well.
Can you point out a ref saying something like this?
No, because it’s fucking stupid.
You hate Kos.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 3, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course I hate Kos.
He’s the king of douche.
I’ve heard a ton of refs talking about players/fighters/teams weaknesses, and giving their opinion on a sporting event. They don’t stick them in solitary between events.
Refs are people. People have opinions. Expressing them doesn’t mean they can’t ref a fight any more than a federal judge saying drugs suck means he can’ judge a possession case.
You’re paid to ignore your hopes and be impartial when it counts – in the ring.
Koscheck eats it.
Where?
Examples?
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 17, 2010 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Umpire's room before a minor league game.
NBA ref in a sports bar in Philly.
Of course, it always follows a “this is off the record, of course, but…” – but it doesn’t change the fact that the opinions exist.
Koscheck eats it.
Oh ok, hearsay and not in public
Funny, cause I read on another messageboard where a guy met Herb Dean and asked him opinions on upcoming fights and Herb declined because he might be reffing those.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 18, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
That's not the equivalent
there’s at least 7 officials on the field. Only one ref in MMA.
2nd, that’s not an equivalent. If an NFL official said that Peyton threw the ball out of bounds and/or slide while running because he was too scared to get hit by the ref’s hometown team and then followed it up with more criticism of other opponents and undying praise for his hometown team. C’mon people.
CONTEXT!
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 2, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
What he said wasn’t accurate. Josh wasn’t "scared", he was "smart". Was Randy "scared" to not stand with Toney?
Gotta agree. If people are going to keep being upset at athletes that fight to their strengths, then at some point they have to start placing the blame on the fighters who keep letting themselves get taken down because they don’t have a well rounded enough game.
He didn’t meant “scared” this way, he meant that Josh was afraid of Daley’s stand up. It would be dumb NOT to be afraid of his stand up.
He said he was scared to get hit
and decided to hold Daley on the ground. He called him a pansy basically
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 3, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Why would it be not cool
for a person to state his opinion? Are we going to pretend referees are robots now?
And he’s not saying anything remotely controversial. This is all common sense stuff.
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by crazybones on Sep 2, 2010 4:49 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Saying someone is "scared to stand"
is retarded. This is MMA. Especially when you consider that GSP fucking doesn’t stand just as much as Koscheck. So Yves is a biased idiot. That’s what this is all about. Josh stands MUCH more than GSP does, yet he takes Josh to task for it.
He also says other things like there’s no challenges for GSP at 170, blah blah. C’mon son.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 2, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Im hoping something was lost in translation
But you make the greatest point. GSP was “scared to stand” with Hardy and Alves. And Koscheck has knocked out a lot more guys standing than GSP has recently.
I cant figure out which is worse, Lavigne’s bias or his stupidity.
"Deserve's got nothing to do with it." -Will Munny, a known thief and murderer, a man of notoriously vicious and intemperate disposition.
So worst case scenario, now you know he’s a biased idiot. Who cares? I don’t understand why you’re so offended. Would you rather he kept his mouth shut, and maybe be selected to referee GSP/Kos? Are you offended that he actually says shit he means, instead of using super-PC terms?
I’m honestly confused.
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If there's a misunderstanding, it's one of connotation.
I would agree Koscheck was scared to stand with Daley. Randy was scared to stand with Toney.
That’s not a criticism. It was smart of those guys to be scared to stand with those opponents.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
Are you scared of a large project at work?
No. You may not be happy about it, but you’re not frightened by it. That’s how these guys think. Basically, Koscheck knew a good way to handle the project he was given. If he was unable to use that system for some reason he would have come up with a new solution, not pissed himself.
I’m tired of this “scared” bullshit just because somebody fights to their strengths.
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by pdl on Sep 2, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
If that project can turn on me in an instant and there's nothing I can do about it?
Of course I’d be scared of it.
Unless I could find a way top prevent that, which is exactly what Koscheck did by wrestling Daley.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
You're being literal
He meant scared as in frightened. He actually said he was “scared to get struck”. He’s calling him a pansy.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 2, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Who wouldn't be scared of slugging it out with Daley?
If he’d said Mir was scared of slugging it out with Lesnar, would that be controversial?
Mountain? Molehill?
Koscheck eats it.
Well Koschek was kind of a dick to Lavigne's entire country
and Kos is going to get trounced by GSP — even if Mike Swick is reffing — so he’s not completely off. I don’t think Kos’ standup in anywhere close to GSP’s, frankly. Professional fighters should be embarrassed if Kos catches them with that sloppy-ass right hand.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Monte Fisto on Sep 2, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
You mean province
Not country.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 3, 2010 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m going to concede that you’ve effectively refuted the least salient point in the above paragraph.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
No, I addressed the one I wanted to
Kos isn’t going to get “trounced”. GSP doesn’t stand, so who really knows where his standup is.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 3, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
How old is that?
Back then Koscheck and Evans were blankets and Lesnar was wrasslin in Japan.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 3, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Referees aren’t robots, and we aren’t going to pretend like they are. But they should try to be as robotic as possible.
"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-
I don't like a movie telling me it's fake while i'm watching
I didn’t like when wrestling told me it was fake
i don’t want a ref reminding me he might have biases.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 2, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
So it's really all about your bubble being burst?
You know a movie is fake, but you don’t want to be reminded. You know wrestling is fake but you don’t want it admitted to. And you know refs are human, you just don’t want them to admit it.
All about you. Check.
Koscheck eats it.
What? The fuck? are you talking about?
I used those examples to convey a point
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 3, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Worst referreeing I've seen in a long time
"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-
uh
Matt Brown vs. Pete Sell was really really bad. Guess who reffed that fight? Yves.
uuuh yeah I write for the Cincinnati Enquirer. Thanks?
Is that not what this gif is?
"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-
I can’t remember what fight that one is, but it’s not Brown/Sell. Brown wasn’t going nearly that hard by the end of the fight. He was walking around the cage telling Yves to stop the fight while Sell wobbled away if I remember right.
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Yeah
That happens after this gif stops I think. They stand back up and Brown Continuse to beat him up viciously.
"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-
Yves also screwed up reffing Nog-Brilz.
Brilz had Nog trapped in a guillotine and Yves thought Nog was out, ran over and tapped Brilz on the back, then realized Nog was still conscious and let it continue. Unfortunately, Brilz felt the tap on the back, thought Yves was stopping it, and started to let go of the hold.
Yves has had a major case of the yips ever since Sell-Brown. He can’t make a decision and stick to it anymore.
How quickly we forget
that the Wiman – Danzig blown call was also Yves Lavigne.
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That fight was so terribly reffed,
I actually felt bad for Brown, while he won.
o·pin·ion –noun
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2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.
by WarToney on Sep 4, 2010 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions
i really doubt they would have put a french canadian ref in the main event anyway
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You mean like the time they didn't let a guy who owns a karate school judge a fight billed as karete vs. muay thai?

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by pdl on Sep 2, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He looks like he's "choppin' broccoliiiii"
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 2, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
This reminds me of

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by Ominous on Sep 2, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Dude. Old school.
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 5, 2010 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
You're not fucking with these dance moves

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by Damon O. on Sep 2, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
I swear to god I’ve been staring at that thing and laughing for like 5 minutes. The off-screen fist pump makes it even better.
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He looks like he's about to transform
I wish you could add sound to a gif and add that “transform” sound from Transformers.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 5, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
UFC 113 was Yves in the main
And Yves also reffed GSP’s fight against Fitch at UFC 87
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 2, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
What's up with it?
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 2, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
These pretzels are making me thirsty
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 3, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Seriously...
you’d think this guy would realize that his legitimacy and therefore his job relies on objectivity. And that he’d keep his face shut.
Yes fool
We know all humans are biased
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 3, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I, for one, prefer peanut M & Ms. Or pretzel.
I’ve got big walnuts. Gorilla nuts.
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Oh shit my dude
I had those Pretzel M&Ms…the SHIT.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 3, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
For the record, Lavigne will almost certainly be reffing the main event. Quebec boxing commission states that all judges must be local judges, in effect.
And secondly, who really gives a shit?
Uhhhh
you’ve got to be kidding me (about the who gives a shit part).
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 2, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 3, 2010 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions
No shit
Therefore him saying “Who gives a shit?” is invalid
Thanks for proving my point
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 3, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I give a shit
"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-
I think Daley was scared of Kos' wrestling
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wow, so kos is scared to strike because he uses his wrestling
then this guy talks up gsp……..are you fucking kidding me
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Not entirely false
For what it’s worth. Koscheck did state that he was going to stand with Daley and knock him out. A lot changes once that door closes but deep down we all knew he wasn’t going to stand.
Nope
It's not about this one part
Read the whole article at WKR. The man should never be near a GSP fight again.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 3, 2010 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh absolutely not, I agree 100%. It was a rather ignorant thing or things to say.
Nope
by NaciremaDream on Sep 3, 2010 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions
No he shouldn’t, his man crush on GSP is too obvious, plus he is his fellow-countryman anyway.
I'm a lover not a fighter
If you watch MMA and don't have a man-crush on GSP..
..you don’t really watch MMA.
Koscheck eats it.
Doesn't it appear that
The interviewer was summarzing Lavigne’s remarks? Maybe he was misquoted.
Regardless, although this bias is important, the real issue is Lavigne’s poor performance in the cage. I have nothing against the guy and I kind of even root for him as the best Canadian ref, but it seems like he can’t get in the cage without some incident.
Even the recent Diaz/Davis fight. He says to Davis “protect your eye?” I mean, fair enough, it’s the doctor’s job to stop the fight, but it was weird. Then he took too long to stop Diaz’s choke on Davis when it was clear to me (watching) that he was out.
The fight before, at Vancouver, Lavigne stopped the fight too early (Danzig) I think.
In Montreal, he didn’t stop the Shogun/Machida fight until Shogun stopped punching and looked at him, then he sort of jumped into the action.
None of these incidents are really all that damning on their own. It’s just like every time, there’s something. I wonder if his incredibly poor decision in the Sell fight sort of just broke his nerve and he’s second guessing himself in there.
With these weird comments, if accurate, you have to wonder whether he should be reffing outside of Quebec .
And just to make sure we’re clear – there is no way the Quebec athletic commission will sanction him. He will ref Koscheck/GSP. Count on it. Which is wrong in so many ways, but so typical of Quebec – better to hire a native than the best in his field (which surely is McCarthy, Dean, or possibly even Rosenthal now (after the Lesnar fight)).
He used direct quotes of Yves
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 3, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d disagree with the premise of this article if I could figure out exactly what it was outside of scatterbrained responses to responses of questions. Assuming your premise is the summary you posted here then I really have no clue what you’re getting at. And I’m not sure whether you think this is bad enough to the point that it should be punished. If so, what should the punishment be? If he shouldn’t be punished in your opinion, then what’s the point of your article? To report that Yves Lavigne has an opinion on fighters? If so, then why not report it as “Yves Lavinge shares his opinion on GSP.” This isn’t some Donaghy shit.
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by Marvin Malehooves on Sep 3, 2010 9:56 AM EDT reply actions
That's actually a very good parallel.
Donaghy let money get in the way of his judgement as an official. Yves is letting his nationalism/personal favoritism get in the way of his. A cliche kinda sums this one up for me: “It’s better to be assumed an idiot than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.” If this is true, it shows incredibly bad judgement on his part. Do you want someone who uses such bad judgement outside the cage having control over the lives of fighters in it?
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2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.
by WarToney on Sep 4, 2010 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions
No. Donaghy had something to gain from his actions.
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by Marvin Malehooves on Sep 9, 2010 7:22 AM EDT up reply actions
My translation
À son dernier combat, au Centre Bell justement, il a eu peur de se faire frapper et s’est contenté de tenir son adversaire (le Britannique Paul Daley) au sol, a expliqué l’officiel québécois. Les partisans l’avaient hué et Daley, frustré de son attitude dans le combat, l’avait même frappé après le duel!
For his last fight, at the Centre Bell precisely, he was scared to get hit and was satisfied with holding down his opponent (the Britannic Paul Daley) , explained the Quebecois referee. The fans booed him and Daley, frustrated of his behavior during the fight even hit him after the fight.
The part in bold makes it look like those are the words of the interviewer, but those are Lavigne’s words, I read the whole thing, it just looks ambiguous because of bad punctuation.
I'm a lover not a fighter
I just don't see where the controversy lies.
Because he said ‘scared’? What difference does that make? You don’t end a fight early due to fear.
He’s unlikely to ref differently because Kos fought like a douche against Daley, and more than any other ref would handle a Karo Parisyan fight differently in the knowledge Karo was a pill-popper.
The guy has a job to do and he’ll (likely) do it just fine. I think anyone paying attention to Lavigne should be far more fearful he’ll stop the fight early/late, going on his recent performances, but being as GSP and Koscheck had genuine trouble stopping fights early over the last few years (Kos vs Trig notwithstanding), I dare say that won’t be a factor here.
Koscheck eats it.
It makes a huge difference.
It’s not his job to judge a fighters’ style, or anything other than whether the fighters are following the rules properly. It IS his job however, to be completely impartial. If this article is true, we know he’s not impartial even to the media, why would we think he’d be impartial in the cage when there’s much less acountability?
o·pin·ion –noun
1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.
by WarToney on Sep 4, 2010 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions
2+2 does not equal 22.
He’s human, so he’s going to have an opinion. Expressing it does not mean he’s less able to ref a fight.
At all.
Koscheck eats it.
To be fair I don’t think Yves meant it the way most people interpret it here. I think he just meant that Kos was afraid of Daley’s stand up skills, and that’s why he took the fight to the ground. There’s nothing controversial about that.
Stop taking it out of context
It’s in the middle of him slagging on GSP’s opponents and kissing GSP’s ass.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 3, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Yves Lavigne!
I am surprised that he would say such things but perhaps he is moving towards the end of his career and is not as concerned with keeping his thoughts and opinions to himself anymore.
The ending of the Diaz/Davis fight was pretty poor reffing. I watched the fights twice with two different groups of people (most of whom are casual MMA fans) and both times the entire room reacted like this:
“oh damn, he’s out, he’s out, stop it….stop the fight!! he’s out!!, HOLY SH*T MAN STOP IT!!!”
He looked nervous as hell until Davis came back to consciousness. One of the under-reported issues in MMA is ref quality and I’m interested to see where this particular story goes.
It’s very fair to say Mr. Lavigne will never ref one of my fights again.
Looks like it matters after all…
I'm a lover not a fighter
Apparently, no one in Vegas had heard this
According to what Kizer just told me.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 3, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Big John
Has repeatedly called Fedor the very best fighter, said that nobody can compete with him, and that was before the Fedor – Werdum fight he reffed. His voiced opinion didn’t change that fight, and Yves’s wouldn’t change his reffing of a Kos – GSP match; it more than likely would cause Yves to bend over-backward to show his even-handedness.
Calling someone "the best fighter"
Is not even close to this situation. McCarthy wasn’t analyzing a real and specific fight that he might be reffing. Yves was. McCarthy didn’t expound and say that Fedor is the best because he travels around because he more humble in comparison to Werdum who trains at one camp. Yves was. Jon didn’t call Werdum “boring” either.
Even then, two wrongs don’t make a right. If Yves had just said that GSP is the most well-rounded fighter in the world and he doesn’t think anyone could beat him, this isn’t much of a story.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 5, 2010 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Because one is more specific
than the other is splitting hairs. Favoritism is favoritism. To defend one favoritism versus the other is disingenuous.
I say that we all have bias. It’s how you address the bias that’s definitive. I’ve never heard of Yves favoring a fighter by his actions. Blowing calls in the heat of action, yes, but not any overt favoritism towards one fighter, at least before this “quote” nonsense, true or not, broke.
It's not really favoritism though
Saying general statements like someone is the best right now is not near what Yves said. Ideally both would be not said, but one looks much worse than the other IMO.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 5, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Or as someone once wrote
" My opinion is that Chael Sonnen is overrated
Doesn’t mean i have bias against him in reporting"
I did say that
I’m also not supposed to have the appearance of objectivity. I write opinion pieces unless I’m reporting news. Most of my news is 2nd hand. The only original news I’ve reported was the Carwin steroids stuff and I guess this story.
Yves is a referee. Much different.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 5, 2010 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions
So you
have the objectivity, whether it’s needed or not, that no one else has, despite your own personal bias’s. I don’t believe it.
Here's the thing
I’m not a “reporter”. I rarely report news. I’m not supposed to be objective. If a news story comes out on Sonnen, I’ll report it straight up. What does that have to do with me thinking he’s ranked too high?
But, I get what you’re trying to get at. You’re saying that Yves can have those views and still be impartial and you know what, you’re probably correct. Here’s the thing, Koscheck doesn’t want to hear that. If a ref thinks you’re boring, what if you take someone down. In your mind, you’re thinking, I gotta keep moving or he’ll stand me up. Things like that. Fighters don’t want distractions like that.
I don’t think ANYONE wants to see him get in any major trouble (most don’t even minor trouble like a suspension). I just reported what I saw and gave my opinion on it.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 5, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions

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