UFC 121: Lesnar vs Velasquez Trailer
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 19, 2010 11:06 PM EDT
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Cain needs to pray for a Frankie Edgar type victory
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A dominating one over five rounds?
"Sometimes hype just ain't enough." - Jens Pulver on his win over BJ Penn
by lowellthehammer on Sep 19, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha
yes because that’s the only way I can see him winning. I don’t expect him to have anything to finish Brock so the best thing he could hope for is to outpoint him like Edgar did Penn.
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Please don't tempt me
As this fight gets closer, my fingers are going to start bleeding from typing all the ways Cain will outclass Brock.
"You hear people say, 'You're the greatest,' and all this stuff. It's BS. It's fake, it's all fake. You've just got to keep training as hard as you can. The only thing real is the fight, everything else is fake." - BJ Penn
At a restaurant?
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 19, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Cain is going to spray paint BROWN PRIDE on Lesnar’s back after knocking him out. Roger Huerta and Tito Ortiz are going to come in and pose over Lesnar’s body.
"You hear people say, 'You're the greatest,' and all this stuff. It's BS. It's fake, it's all fake. You've just got to keep training as hard as you can. The only thing real is the fight, everything else is fake." - BJ Penn
by crazybones on Sep 19, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You certainly are living up to the “crazy” part of your name
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DX was a cheap nWo ripoff
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 20, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ll give you ripoff but not cheap. They were better in so many ways.
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During nWo’s height nothing was better, including DX. Unfortunately, nWo gets remembered far too often for the latter part of their run and getting split up into different factions and drug out far too long.
Nothing is worse than PG DX though. Such a parody of what they were
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Shawn's fault.
I could be sitting here with just pee stains on my rug.
by Earl Montclair on Sep 20, 2010 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't see the "many ways"
They got women to flash? I guess.
And the theme music.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 20, 2010 3:28 AM EDT up reply actions
The most obvious
would be that both were fighting the establishment with over the top behavior
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by Earl Montclair on Sep 20, 2010 3:36 AM EDT up reply actions
LATINO WORLD ORDER
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 20, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wouldn't have to save his fingers for much.
Could pretty much just type ‘boxing’ in caps and be done with it.
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by lowellthehammer on Sep 19, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
And then hit backsapace and type Takedown Defense
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 20, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
haha JDS would get mauled by Brock, Cain, and Carwin.
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I agree. I was just making the point that he needs to save his fingers for the next bandwagon.
Every time Brock wins, the next guy is the guy that will dethrone him.
Gotcha. Yeah I hate to say it because I’m not the biggest Brock fan but that’s exactly the case. No one is beating the guy at the moment and fans will continue to rally behind the next guy. The fighter who still has the best chance to beat Brock is Carwin, but he needs to get his cardio in check first
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No, JDS is going to lose to Cain. Badly. But for the record, I believe JDS would beat both Brock and Carwin.
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JDS would get wrestled down by Brock and Carwin and beat down ridiculously. Carwin could easily press JDS against the cage and dirty box him to unconsciousness like he did to Mir. Once Brock gets on top of him he’s done
JDS has nothing more than a punchers chance against all of them and that’s it. He matches up horribly against those three.
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I mistrust Lesnar and Carwin’s wrestling. I don’t think either of them are nearly as good MMA wrestlers as people believe. And they’re both terrible strikers. It just shows how thin the heavyweight division is that they’re ranked so high.
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Carwin, I agree, but Lesnar? He's taken down everyone.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 20, 2010 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions
randy gave him a run for his money
does anyone know what brocks td percentage is?
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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 20, 2010 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Against actual wrestlers
it’s way lower. 1/4 for Carwin, and about the same for Couture. I just don’t get why people think he has unstoppable takedowns. He didn’t even TRAIN wrestling for like a 5-6 year period.
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1/4 is misleading.
he was 1/1 when actually going for a takedown. 0/3 after he got rocked and reacted by trying to take him down.
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 20, 2010 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually I’ll play along with this. 1/1 is misleading.
Brock first takedown attempt he was not rocked and he was unsuccessful 0/1. The next two attempts in rd 1 were after Carwin hurt him with the uppercut and he was desperately trying to get Carwin down and after he got back up underneath Carwin. I’ll give Brock a pass for that since it’s hard to do after getting hurt.
But going by that logic you could discredit Brock’s TD in the 2nd rd since Carwin was gassed.
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I'll play along too
Brock’s first takedown attempt wasn’t an actual takedown attempt. he grabbed Carwin as soon as Carwin hit him and just ran. His arms were way high. The next two “attempts” are in name only. He grabbed at Carwin’s waist. But who cares. LOL
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 20, 2010 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions
awesome thanks for the info
how about cain?
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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 20, 2010 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions
70%
14/20, although the only wrestler he has faced was Jake O’Brien. Either way, it should be a very very interesting bout.
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 20, 2010 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions
As did Carwin before he gassed. Unfortunately for Cain I don’t think he has the size to make up for it the way Carwin did, or the wrestling ability of Randy to help him.
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Dude, Velasquez went life and death on the mats with Cole Konrad and Steve Mocco in the NCAA final four. Both guys had to beat Cain in overtime on riding time points. They couldn’t get a clean takedown on him. Mocco and Konrad were far, far superior wrestlers to Brock Lesnar, and Velasquez gave them everything they could handle.
Cain Velasquez has more than enough wrestling chops to handle ANYTHING Brock Lesnar brings to the table.
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You willing to wager?
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 20, 2010 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions
What are you putting up?
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What are YOU putting up?
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 20, 2010 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Stalemate.
I could be sitting here with just pee stains on my rug.
by Earl Montclair on Sep 20, 2010 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions
You’re the one who’s interested in the wager.
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I don't know what type of person you are or what you can afford to lose?
Sig bet? Buy the winner something from a store? Money?
God I’d love to get rid of that wall of text. LOL
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 20, 2010 3:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ll bet you $100 Cain wins. Back up your big talk.
by Mr Pulla on Sep 20, 2010 1:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Who are you?
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 20, 2010 3:29 AM EDT up reply actions
A guy that is willing to take your money after Cain mops the floor with Brock.
by Mr Pulla on Sep 20, 2010 3:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Define a "run for his money"?
When Brock’s back was against the cage, he was still the one controlling and leaning on Randy in the 1st. The only time he was in trouble wrestlingwise was when Randy pic’d his ankle while he was getting up, but he still only went to his but from his knee. And the time Randy got him up in the air fo a second.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 20, 2010 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions
i just didn’t see a dominating wrestling performance from him. and if you did than i’m not sure what you were watching.
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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 20, 2010 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Dominating? Nah, heck nah
Definitively the better wrestler? Yes.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 20, 2010 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Definitely better wrestler, nah I wouldn’t say that. Definitely bigger by 60lbs, yes
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 20, 2010 3:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Brock was also grabbing the fence like crazy too.
I could be sitting here with just pee stains on my rug.
by Earl Montclair on Sep 20, 2010 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
this is true
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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 20, 2010 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Grabbed the fence once maybe twice
Put his hand on the fence to balance (which is allowed) once
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 20, 2010 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions
But JDS has no wrestling ability that we know of (I’m sorry fighting Gonzaga and Nelson doesn’t prove anything about his TDD). Also, Carwin doesn’t even need to take him down, he can press him against the cage and neutralize JDS striking just as he did with Mir. Lesnar’s wrestling I think is a bit overrated (Carwin and Couture proved this), but his size and strength make up for it and he’ll have both over JDS.
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Eh, agree to disagree… until he knocks them both out. Then you may apologize to Cigano for your faithlessness.
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Lol fair enough. If he pulls a Matt Serra I’ll give him credit
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by Noah'sArk on Sep 20, 2010 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec for backhandedness.
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by Earl Montclair on Sep 20, 2010 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions
A Matt Serra? Dos Santos is clearly the better striker. It’s not even close. If he knocked out Brock (he could easily) it would not be an upset. It would be a case of a vastly superior striker knocking out an overmatched opponent on the feet.
by Mr Pulla on Sep 20, 2010 3:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Cain can definitely stop Brock. If he lands on Brock like he did on Nog it’s over. And he will.
by Mr Pulla on Sep 20, 2010 12:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
seems kinda weird for ufc to run that angle, the whole “there has never been a mexican heavyweight champion”… i don’t think there has been any mexican champion in any weight class in ufc… iirc there’s only like a handful of mexicans that have fought in ufc, yeah wec is zuffa, but it’s still not branded ufc.
The weird thing is Velasquez was born in America.
So he’s not “Mexican”, he’s “of Mexican descent”. Kinda like…Ricco Rodriguez?
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by lowellthehammer on Sep 19, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Ricco is Prican and Mexican
I guess the UFC doesn’t recognize Mudbloods.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 19, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Or they just don't recognize the early history of their organization.
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by lowellthehammer on Sep 19, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
To be honest though I think it's probably a little bit of both.
Not to mention Velasquez has turned his Mexican heritage into a gimmick much like Marcus Davis with the Mexican flag mouthpiece and the flag wrapped around his glove post-fight and the Brown Pride tattoo, etc etc. Ricco never really made a big deal about it IIRC.
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by lowellthehammer on Sep 19, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
The Brown Pride tat isn't really a Mexican nationalist thing.
It’s more of a Chicano concept. But you’re right about Ricco, the UFC does love to write out unfavored ex-employees. If you started watching now, you’d think Randy never lost the belt to Ricco or Barnett.
oh yeah, he had his chest tattooed with Brown Pride,
because he knew that several years after, he can use it as a Mexican Marketing tool for the UFC. :|
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 19, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Actually it goes back farther
He had his parents come from Mexico and have sex to give him live because he knew it could be used as a gimimick
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 19, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not using gimmick to imply that he’s not really proud of his heritage or what have you. Who’s to say Marcus Davis isn’t proud of his heritage either? Doesn’t mean that it’s not being used as a promotional tool. (aka a gimmick)
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by lowellthehammer on Sep 19, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Cain's parents are both 100% Mexican.
And he clearly has still embraced their culture and heritage since he was a child… Why are you comparing him to Mr. Davis who is American with a tiny dash of Irish? It’s not even the same.
Mark Munoz is also 100% Filipino who was born in the US, but like Cain, he has clearly embraced his roots and culture. I may have a tiny droplet or two of Spanish/Chinese blood from like my great great grandma, but since I never even gone to that country, or have their culture, you don’t see me waving around a spanish or chinese flag. That’s the difference between Marcus Davis and Cain Velasquez.
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 19, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Fair enough.
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by lowellthehammer on Sep 19, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
So? What if hes 50%?
Does he not have a right to be proud of his heritage? I am half Cherokee Indian, so in your eyes I cant be proud of my heritage either because I am not 100%.
you missed the point...
I didn’t say those who aren’t 100% cant embrace your roots. I’m saying, if you don’t know practice or live that way, it is entirely different from what Cain is doing. That’s my point.
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 19, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I laughed a bit at the Cherokee indian part. It’s just that I’m a bit skeptical of anyone that says that since it’s the auto for people that claim they’re Native.
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Well I am from Greenville South Carolina....
Most people with any indian heritage in this part of the country are Cherokee.
Especially Black women
What tribe are you?
Cherokee
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 20, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You have a full-blooded Cherokee parent..cool
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 20, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Or both of his parents could have been half Cherokee!
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by CasualMMAFan on Sep 20, 2010 4:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Eastern band and my dad is cherokee.
by b2tharad on Sep 20, 2010 10:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
lol, true story back in my high school days i knew a guy that worked at the mickey d’s i worked at that always made references to his “native americanism”, like he talked like john redcorn from king of the hill, acted very native american, couple years later i learn that he was like 25% native american, and the rest mexican.
If he was Mexican, you can argue that he had more Native blood in him than Spanish.
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by IHateMMA on Sep 19, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
well, according to some latin folk that have listen to cains interviews on mexican TV in spanish, he has a very guero way of speaking spanish
Munoz and Vera also have a different accent when speaking Filipino
but that’s normal for people who have lived in the US for most of their life.
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 19, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Munoz wasn't born in the U.S.
He was born on a base in Japan.
by BVandDietPepsi on Sep 19, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Your childhood?
You mean, like, 2 years ago?
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They might as well have made it in Spanish
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 19, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not HWs
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 19, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, can’t believe they’re trying the same crap boxing is doing to promote the next Mosely fight. And I’m guessing Ricco Rodriguez doesn’t count?
Not really
Rodriguez is the first Latino champion, but he’s of Puerto Rican and Mexican ancestry.
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by Luke Thomas on Sep 20, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Can't WAIT to see the odds for Shields vs. Kampmann.
This fight should be a walk in the park for him.
Brock Lesnar -160 -170 -175 -160 -155 -170 -155 -175 -165
Cain Velasquez +140 +140 +145 +140 +125 +140 +140 +125 +135
Jake Shields -255 -275 -290 -255 -295 -280 -230 -333 -270
Martin Kampmann +215 +215 +230 +215 +235 +210 +205 +220 +210
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 19, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Debatable. Kampmann can probably avoid getting submitted, and Shields has such awful standup I can’t stop picturing him laid out on the canvas. Maybe Kampmann won’t do it, but it’s going to happen.
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Of ALL the ways to promote this fight………..they had to go this route?
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by Brian Mayes on Sep 19, 2010 11:34 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Are you really surprised they did? The UFC wants to make a ton of money off that Latino market so bad. First it was Huerta, who couldn’t live up to his hype, and now it’s Cain
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Yeah, they couldn’t have just marketed it as the matchup between the two best, most exciting heavyweights in the UFC.
Nahhhhhhh. That would never sell!!!
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. - Theodore Roosevelt
Or they could mention that Brock will be attempting to defend the HW belt more than anyone else in the history of the company……
I could be sitting here with just pee stains on my rug.
by Earl Montclair on Sep 20, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions
True. Hard to believe no one has defended that belt more than twice at any one time.
“Brock Lesnar tries to become the most dominant heavyweight champion of all time, but standing in his way is undefeated #1 contender Cain Velasquez, fresh off his first round knock out of Minotauro Nogueira.”
Tell me that doesn’t sell.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. - Theodore Roosevelt
Damn dude, that is goood.
I even read it in “ominous sounding ufc promo guy” voice.
I could be sitting here with just pee stains on my rug.
by Earl Montclair on Sep 20, 2010 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Shit, I thought it out in the “ominous sounding ufc promo guy” voice. That guy made James Toney vs Randy Couture sound like the Clash of the Titans. You don’t let something like that go to waste when coming up with ideas.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. - Theodore Roosevelt
I would like to hear ominous sounding ufc promo guy do an impression of James Toney.
I could be sitting here with just pee stains on my rug.
by Earl Montclair on Sep 20, 2010 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I would like to hear ominous sounding ufc promo guy try to sell porn instead of MMA.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. - Theodore Roosevelt
That does sounds good and would sell, but bottom line is marketing Cain to Latino’s and pushing that aspect of his character will probably sell more and is a smart business move.
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13
True, but Lesnar in a main event title fight is already a guarantee of a million PPV buys or so. How much more are you going to bring in by working the Mexican angle? Probably not that much more. They’d be better off working the casual viewer more, who isn’t going to be moved much by the Mexican angle, but might be interested in a highly competitive heavyweight title fight, as the numbers from Lesnar vs. Carwin showed.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. - Theodore Roosevelt
If you were at the Staples Center when Cain came out, you'd know why.
Also, they were simply following the laughable angle Golden Boy used to promote the Mosley/Mora card: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS5LWXSpol4
did he not completely dominate Dan, when people didn't even say he had a chance?
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 19, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I dominated my son at checkers the other day,
…but he’s still in one piece. Destruction is too strong of a word here.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 20, 2010 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Who wins in a fight? Lesnar or Thiago.
Ah ok.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 20, 2010 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Lee Murray would then steal both of their purses from that fight,
so in the end, he wins.
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 20, 2010 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
nicely done.
I could be sitting here with just pee stains on my rug.
by Earl Montclair on Sep 20, 2010 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Isn't he in jail?
Protecting his ass from Moroccans?
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 20, 2010 3:31 AM EDT up reply actions
“Fresh off laying on Dan Henderson and not doing any damage to him for 20 minutes after nearly getting knocked out” isn’t as snappy.
"You hear people say, 'You're the greatest,' and all this stuff. It's BS. It's fake, it's all fake. You've just got to keep training as hard as you can. The only thing real is the fight, everything else is fake." - BJ Penn
by crazybones on Sep 20, 2010 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Kampmann's going to beat Shields.
He probably can’t stop the takedown but he can grapple well enough to get back up and unlike Hendo has a gas tank.
Finally signed up for B.E. after being undefeated in the UG. Cain is going to steamroll Lesnar. Faster, more technical, better cardio. It will be ugly.
BTW – JDS would destroy Carwin. Carwin got outstruck by Neil Wain and gasses after 4 minutes. Cigano would turn his lights out. Carwin is as overrated as Mir (coincidentally his biggest win)
by Mr Pulla on Sep 20, 2010 12:24 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
and welcome to BE.
just keep within the rules, don’t be a dick, and hopefully you’ll have a nice stay here. :)
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 20, 2010 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
How is Cain’s cardio going to be after he spends a couple of rounds on his back getting smothered and lunchboxed?
I could be sitting here with just pee stains on my rug.
by Earl Montclair on Sep 20, 2010 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Considering he will be the one touching Lesnar and that he routinely beats Fitch and Kos in cardio workouts at AKA….
by Mr Pulla on Sep 20, 2010 1:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Carwin was jumping hurdles and shit.
Didn’t stop the lactic acidosis adrenaline dump, now did it…
Velasquez has a history of showing fantastic cardio in fights and in wrestling matches as well. Carwin had a history of knocking guys out in under 2 minutes.
Big difference.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. - Theodore Roosevelt
I realize it was a stupid statement. Cain won't have to deal with Brock after spending a couple rounds on his back.
Brock will finish him in the 2nd, as per usual.
I could be sitting here with just pee stains on my rug.
by Earl Montclair on Sep 20, 2010 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know if he’s going to “steamroll” Lesnar, but I agree that Cain is going to beat him. I think he’s a better striker and a better wrestler than Lesnar, and has better cardio.
And you’re correct, Neil Wain was putting hands all over Carwin at UFC 89 and forced Carwin to shoot for a double leg. JDS would knock Carwin’s head into the third row if that fight ever happens.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. - Theodore Roosevelt
Excellent post. You know your stuff haha.
by Mr Pulla on Sep 20, 2010 1:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think they should have shown Shields grappling instead of striking and mentioned the Tito fight (from a marketing perspective)
by Mr Pulla on Sep 20, 2010 12:26 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I agree with the Tito fight,
but people generally like strikers more, so it’s a good move showing him throwing strikes. (from a marketing perspective)
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 20, 2010 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I completely agree. The problem is Shields has some of the worst striking in all of mma. So people will tune in to watch this striker that destroyed Hendo and see a guy attempt to dominate with position and try to not get knocked out in the meantime.
by Mr Pulla on Sep 20, 2010 1:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So people will tune in to watch this striker that destroyed Hendo and see a guy attempt to dominate with position and try to not get knocked out in the meantime.
well at least they tuned in right? haha. :)
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 20, 2010 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions
One would hope they were real MMA fans who actually, you know, watched the Shields vs Hendo fight to begin with.
But maybe I’m asking too much here.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. - Theodore Roosevelt
Haha that’s right. Maybe Strikeforce can show KJ Noons in a gi rolling in an upcoming promo or Daley in a singlet.
by Mr Pulla on Sep 20, 2010 4:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
MEXICAN MEXICAN MEXICAN CAIN VALESQUEZ HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION BROCK LESNAR FIRST EVER MEXICAN UFC HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP
CLOSE UP OF CAIN’S BROWN PRIDE TATTOO
wonder who that’s marketed towards
they’re not even being subtle about it
i kinda like it
The sea refuses no river. The idea is to remain in a state of constant departure while always arriving. It saves on introductions and goodbyes. The ride does not require explanation - just occupance.
by Johnathan Willis on Sep 20, 2010 1:16 AM EDT reply actions
You forgot the maracas and trumpet in the background
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 20, 2010 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions
and the dramatic imagery of the mexican flag waving in the reflection of the belt
beautiful
fuck subtlety
i like it
The sea refuses no river. The idea is to remain in a state of constant departure while always arriving. It saves on introductions and goodbyes. The ride does not require explanation - just occupance.
by Johnathan Willis on Sep 20, 2010 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I love that one of the best UFC heavyweight title fights of all time is being marketed as “Mexican guy vs. American guy”.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. - Theodore Roosevelt
It was more along the lines of
Mexican v. UFCHEAVYWEIGHTCHAMPIONSUPERSTARBROCKLESNAR!!!!!!!
I could be sitting here with just pee stains on my rug.
by Earl Montclair on Sep 20, 2010 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
True. He kind of did during the Carwin promos too. I think it is because they know just having the name “Lesnar” in the event title is all they need to do on that end. They really have to focus on the opponent to make him appear both a viable contender and develop a connection with the casuals.
I could be sitting here with just pee stains on my rug.
by Earl Montclair on Sep 20, 2010 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions
We will know at the weigh-ins when Joe Rogan tries to talk to him. If he is motivated he will be in smash mode at that point.
I could be sitting here with just pee stains on my rug.
by Earl Montclair on Sep 20, 2010 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Also, something funny you guys may not know:
Here in Los Angeles, there were a shitload of posters for the UFC Undisputed 2010 game plastered around town when the game came out. Which fighter did they use to promote the game? Not Brock, not GSP, not Liddell… They had Cain Velasquez on the posters here.
I don’t think a lot of mma fans that choose not to follow boxing understand the significance. California fight fans LOVE Mexican fighters (Canelo Alvarez on Saturday) and a Mexican HW champion would be HUGE. Once Mexicans learn more about mma they will love it. Forget Europe. Zuffa should be targeting Latin Americans because that will be a completely untapped group of talent.
by Mr Pulla on Sep 20, 2010 2:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
They're having a hard time with Huerta and Diego fizzling out.
well at least they have Cain now.
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 20, 2010 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Huerta wouldn’t be someone Mexicans would rally behind. Not unless he was dominate. Cain has the perfect demeanor and no nonsense attitude.
by Mr Pulla on Sep 20, 2010 2:30 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
By the way I was talking about tapping into that market for future fighters. They breed a lot of the best boxers, love fighting, and just need to be exposed to mma.
by Mr Pulla on Sep 20, 2010 3:41 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
brock owns everyone
Brock will pound out cain second round. Then jds will get pounded out second round. Carwin is stronger than jds and look what happened to him. The only way brock loses is against a bjj guy ala frank mir like maybe big country. Countrys girth and weight matches brock and he can pull off the submission. Strikers and wrestlers can’t do it.
by ronrod on Sep 20, 2010 5:26 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Carwin is stronger than jds and look what happened to him
What happened? He had Lesnar retreating and turtling up because he was afraid of being hit? Do you think Cain or JDS would gas out like Carwin? You make it sound like its some foregone conclusion that Lesnar executed this perfect gameplan against Carwin. The fact is that Lesnar almost got stopped in that fight and very well could if he finds himself in that same situation next time.
by Johnnynumber5 on Sep 20, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
UFC marketing machine..
I wish they would have said Cain’s goal is to be the first to knock out Lesnar, not be the first Mexican heavyweight champ. Jake Shields destroying Henderson? If I didnt watch that match I would have assumed he won by severely hurting Hendo by watching this ad.. and I would be in for a rude pillow humping awakening if I bought the PPV based on that notion.
Great card though, excited!
Am I the only one who can’t imagine Brock losing this one? The guy is a monster.
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